Re: Gridlock

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Build more roads!


Posted by: old lady | Link to this comment | 11- 8-07 8:56 AM
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No fair, Becks! If we're all anonymous you have to be, too.


Posted by: lol | Link to this comment | 11- 8-07 8:58 AM
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Doesn't show assured clear distances, which make the bus even more compact.


Posted by: apc | Link to this comment | 11- 8-07 8:59 AM
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Do you understand what's going on with the crowd of people in each picture? I ask because the number in the bunch seems to vary by picture.


Posted by: tgv | Link to this comment | 11- 8-07 9:00 AM
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1: we already tried that and it doesn't work


Posted by: Anon A. Moose | Link to this comment | 11- 8-07 9:00 AM
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I walk, like a Christian.*

* Patrick O'Brian allusion. Please refrain from sectarian bickering. I enjoy the anticlerical pornography of Aretino as much as the next pseudonym.


Posted by: XIII | Link to this comment | 11- 8-07 9:02 AM
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I have seen city buses in Germany with a sign on the back saying "Please be patient, I am replacing 60 cars in front of you".

Muenster is quite possibly the best city for bicycles on the planet. It's flat, compact, and has a more comprehensive bike path network than even Dutch cities. You have to really watch out as a pedestrian, though, because bicylists ride with appoximately the same self-confidence and barely contained aggression as SUV drivers in Plano, TX.


Posted by: pox | Link to this comment | 11- 8-07 9:03 AM
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Same number of people; photo taken from differing distances.

I think it overstates matters, because it assumes that the bus is full, which they aren't consistently.


Posted by: baton rouge | Link to this comment | 11- 8-07 9:07 AM
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Another great German transportation-related PSA: This one is found on billboards on the Autobahn and says, roughly, "speeders are sooo sexy: are you big enough?".


Posted by: pox | Link to this comment | 11- 8-07 9:08 AM
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All those people won't ride on the bus together unless they're wearing deodorant.


Posted by: dog | Link to this comment | 11- 8-07 9:09 AM
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4: It does look that way, but I think they're just at different zoom levels. Of course, the "see how much space" point is obscured by this, but that's dramatic enough anyway.

On preview I see that the non-participating baton rouge has beaten me to this, and in response to the point about unfull buses I'd say that they tend to be fuller when traffic is worse, so that doesn't matter that much. Also, without counting heads, I'd bet a city bus at rush hour holds more than 60, when you get people standing in the aisles and molesting each other.


Posted by: yak | Link to this comment | 11- 8-07 9:12 AM
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I think it overstates matters, because it assumes that the bus is full, which they aren't consistently

1. That doesn't look like a full bus load; it's probably something close to the average rush-hour load factor
2. The relevant metric is the average peak load (i.e. when the buses are full at rush hour), because that's when traffic congestion is an issue.

Ergo, I don't think it overstates the case at all.


Posted by: pox | Link to this comment | 11- 8-07 9:12 AM
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People! New pseuds only on the designated thread. This is chaos!


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 11- 8-07 9:13 AM
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It is fair for road space. I was irrelevantly thinking about energy use, where the bus's non-rush hour load becomes relevant.


Posted by: baton rouge | Link to this comment | 11- 8-07 9:14 AM
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13: Wait! Never mind. I misread. Crap.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 11- 8-07 9:15 AM
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But... but... the whole idea was to do it not just in the designated thread, no?


Posted by: kwrl | Link to this comment | 11- 8-07 9:15 AM
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Read the designated post, Stanley. We merely obey the Dear Leader's directions.


Posted by: baton rouge | Link to this comment | 11- 8-07 9:16 AM
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I think Stanley is going by the pseud "Stanley".


Posted by: old lady | Link to this comment | 11- 8-07 9:16 AM
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I think my three-letter pseudonymity will be pretty well shot after this one, but here is another of my favorite German PSA campaigns. This one is to encourage cleaner streets in Siegburg. They are all pretty risqué, but the second one especially so.


Posted by: pox | Link to this comment | 11- 8-07 9:18 AM
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Ogged is presumably even now looking at: ip addresses.


Posted by: underdunk | Link to this comment | 11- 8-07 9:18 AM
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This overstates the efficiency of bikes which require a larger clearance, relative to their size, than cars.


Posted by: bbh | Link to this comment | 11- 8-07 9:18 AM
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This anonymity is too fucking much work.

Muenster has one of Europe's best heretical groups ever.


Posted by: Mac | Link to this comment | 11- 8-07 9:25 AM
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I'm actually not looking at IP addresses, since I don't want to react to people based on what I know about them.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11- 8-07 9:25 AM
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Ogged is: serious about his experimentation.


Posted by: underdunk | Link to this comment | 11- 8-07 9:27 AM
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Good set of images.

It seems to me that even a bus with five people on it takes up less space than five cars. But maybe it has a bigger global-warming footprint.


Posted by: Junius Ponds | Link to this comment | 11- 8-07 9:29 AM
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Muenster has one of Europe's best heretical groups ever.

The Anabaptists? Yeah, it didn't end so well for them, though.


Posted by: pox | Link to this comment | 11- 8-07 9:35 AM
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I love that poster! It reminds me of a set of two little "yards" side-by-side, one planted with lovely native, low-maintenance plants and full of butterflies, the other with very proper (i.e., fertilizer, tons of watering) mowed green grass & a few flowers. That one looked incredibly sterile.


Posted by: tpitci | Link to this comment | 11- 8-07 9:46 AM
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Also, process note: Posts above ogged's should probably refer to today's anonymity rule, as some of us don't read all the posts in order before we start gabbing.


Posted by: tpitic | Link to this comment | 11- 8-07 9:47 AM
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In a certain sense, then, those of us who ride the bus are morally superior to those insufferable bike fundamentalists -- were everyone on the bus to be biking, that would cause far more congestion, resulting in more carbon emissions.


Posted by: brf | Link to this comment | 11- 8-07 10:22 AM
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In a certain sense, then, those of us who ride the bus are morally superior to those insufferable bike fundamentalists

As a bus commuter, I would like to take a moment to savour my moral superiority to soup biscuit, spaz, sifu tweety, and all the rest of those bike freaks. Stop poisoning the planet, you hippies!


Posted by: pox | Link to this comment | 11- 8-07 10:32 AM
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Do the subway commuters get to stand in the middle of a perfectly empty street looking smug?


Posted by: baton rouge | Link to this comment | 11- 8-07 10:43 AM
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I walk to work.


Posted by: stp | Link to this comment | 11- 8-07 10:53 AM
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Like a Christian, apparently, although I'm not one.


Posted by: stp | Link to this comment | 11- 8-07 10:54 AM
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This anonymity is too fucking much work.

Well worth the effort, though. Nobody has any idea who "Mac" might be.


Posted by: cfm | Link to this comment | 11- 8-07 11:08 AM
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I tried it a couple times, but for some reason, the comment box always reverts to my normal Kotsko pseudonym.


Posted by: Adam Kotsko | Link to this comment | 11- 8-07 11:45 AM
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This ignores the temporal dimension. That long lane of cars following a single bicycle uphill on the street I take home are going 10 when they would otherwise be going 45.


Posted by: npi | Link to this comment | 11- 8-07 4:02 PM
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