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Want to buy my SUV? It's great if you like unexpectedly running out of gas. And if you're a true resource-squandering American, you do.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 10:56 AM
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I'm pretty sure that in order to maximize my resource use, I have to buy new.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 10:58 AM
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Is one new one and one old one resource-intensive enough?


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 10:59 AM
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How depressing. Stupid Bay Bridge, causing oil spills. And commuters.


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 11:01 AM
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:-(


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 11:02 AM
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2: I'm going to buy another hybrid (used, natch) just to counteract your SUV.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 11:04 AM
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5: Aw, man. Sad duck.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 11:06 AM
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6: well I'm going to hand-bathe six sea birds per Ogged SUV purchase.


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 11:06 AM
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8: I'm sorry, all the animals have been reserved for celebrities. We do have rocks. Thousands and thousands of rocks.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 11:07 AM
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you mean we can't dunk the celebreties in oil?


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 11:08 AM
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But I'll bathe the ugly ones. Surely Susan Sarandon doesn't want to wash an oily pelican.


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 11:09 AM
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Is that where the elephant seals live? They can bathe themselves, I'm not going to even try.

Marmots, however, those things I could handle.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 11:10 AM
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Surely Susan Sarandon doesn't want to wash an oily pelican.

You'd be surprised.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 11:12 AM
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I did have to run to the bathroom during RHPS. What'd I miss?


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 11:13 AM
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Chinese sneak attack preview.


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 11:14 AM
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5: *Whimper*


Posted by: Merganser | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 11:15 AM
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16: Oh noes! Someone needs to wash an oily merganser!


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 11:17 AM
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Just get me my dishwashing detergent -- I'm on it!


Posted by: Susan Sarandon | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 11:20 AM
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All those wanting to wash an oily Susan Sarandon, line forms to the right.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 11:22 AM
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'Scuse me?


Posted by: Tim Robbins | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 11:24 AM
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19: Peak oil is real! Peek oil, too, I guess.


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 11:24 AM
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I don't think that's a merganser. Its bill is too thick. It might be a Northern Shoveler.

It does appear to be a duck of some sort. At first I thought it was a gannet, but no.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 11:25 AM
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Don't get distracted, people. I require, nay demand, washing.


Posted by: Merganser | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 11:25 AM
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23 --> 19. Tim Robbins is my ally in this fight.


Posted by: Merganser | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 11:26 AM
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Tim Robbins lovesscrubs all the oily duckies.


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 11:29 AM
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Oily ducky, you're the one
You make environmental catastrophe so much fun


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 11:32 AM
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Keep those commies away from me.


Posted by: Barvazoni | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 11:32 AM
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Don't get distracted, people. I require, nay demand, washing.

Can it wait until after business hours, Merganser, because I've got to interview some candidates right now. Also, are you already oily, or should I bring some oil with me?


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 11:32 AM
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There you go again Ogged, with your "san francisco values." Don't you realize sea birds love being covered in oil? Or, to put it another way, clearly there must be a demand for oil-covered sea birds, otherwise the market wouldn't have provided them.


Posted by: Ugh | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 11:42 AM
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12: Only wash healthy marmots. Eschew sickly marmots. Plague.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 11:46 AM
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And just think: as the oil spreads out and is diluted, its homeopathic effects will only increase! It's a silver lining, I suppose, that this disaster happened on the doorstep of the only city prepared to understand the threat it now faces.

Where can I send relief crystals?


Posted by: Tom | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 11:47 AM
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I don't have any diseases, but this creepy orange guy has the right idea.


Posted by: Barvazoni | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 11:49 AM
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Tom, what is the homeopathic effect of oil? The development of rashes, or a single-resource extraction economy?


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 11:51 AM
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Thank you, Knecht. Bring a barrel of sweet crude.


Posted by: Merganser | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 11:57 AM
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Hey, we're thinking about buying a second car, and we need to offset the evil oggeds of the world. At this point we are pretty much only considering radical alternatives to mainstream cars. We currently have a Honda Civic Hybrid, which is good when the whole family needs to go some place, but our poor choice of neighborhoods means I also need a car just for me to commute in.

So far we've been looking at two options:

Something from ZAP, but only one of the cars that they have which are already in production, mostly overblown golf carts.

One of these


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 12:18 PM
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35: I'm living vicariously through other people, but if it's literally just for you to commute in, why not a Vespa or similar? Tiny and adorable, and it's got to have better mileage than even a Smart.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 12:20 PM
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Rain.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 12:22 PM
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Poncho.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 12:23 PM
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34: You're pretty sweet and crude already.


Posted by: Oily Ducky | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 12:24 PM
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Rob, if you buy a Smart Car, I can honestly say that it will make me much more likely to buy a Smart Car becuase it will seem like a more normal thing to do.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 12:25 PM
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Aerostitch. Seriously though, used Civic or Corolla with the small engine will use effectively the same amount of gas. Carpooling makes a bigger difference.


Posted by: Jake | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 12:26 PM
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35: Tiny, adorable, dangerous (much worse than motorcyles), bad in the rain, and useless on freeway.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 12:27 PM
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35: How far do you need to go, and how fast? Fwiw, the smarts cars are all over the place in toronto.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 12:28 PM
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Here you go, Rob.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 12:30 PM
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My commute is about 20 minutes if I take the highway, 30-40 minutes if I stay on regular roads. I am considering vehicles that I can't take on the highway, but I'm not real comfortable driving a vespa in the rain.

We've been trying to drum up interest in carpooling or finding a good public transportation solution, but both efforts are going nowhere.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 12:33 PM
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25: I dunno, I saw one of 'em doing 70+ on the freeway a few days ago. Didn't look like fun, exactly, but it'll do it...


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 12:33 PM
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I want a Smart so bad. I drove one in Europe; it ruled!

Rob if it's carbon footprint that's bugging you why not get an old diesel and switch to the Scottish diet, if you follow?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 12:34 PM
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Vespas are dangerous in the rain and get waterlogged. I knew a guy who had one and during the monsoon season he had lots of trouble getting it started and keeping it running.


Posted by: Michael Vanderwheel, B.A. | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 12:35 PM
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Those Zap cars are pretty sweet. If they had, say, double the range, I might actually get one.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 12:35 PM
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You could also pick up something cool used and install one of these kits.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 12:37 PM
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A used Honda Insight would be pretty sweet.... close to 70 mpg. Or you could wait till 2009 for the Honda Fit Hybrid.

I have the Civic hybrid too, and I love it....


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 12:39 PM
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get an old diesel and switch to the Scottish diet

My daughter wanted me to do this with our old diesel, but she Who Must Be Obeyed did not want the car smelling like french fries all the time, lest it be too tempting.


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 12:40 PM
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The A's should move to San Jose and then put their AAA team in Fremont. The Giants' AAA team can be in Oakland. Everyone wins!


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 12:52 PM
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42, 48: I have no real sense of the practicalities. I just think they're way, way cute.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 12:53 PM
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53: Um...wrong comment box.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 12:53 PM
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But to turn lemons into lemonade, another good idea would be to use the A's soon-to-be-vacated Oakland stadium as a refugee camp for oil-covered sea birds.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 12:57 PM
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Meh, this actually has made me tear up a few times. Fucking-A.


Posted by: Saheli | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 12:58 PM
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51 Seconded. My Civic hybrid rocks.


Posted by: swampcracker | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 3:01 PM
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We love our hyrbid civic. The Insight was even better, but we had to get rid of it when we got kids.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 3:13 PM
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Is there a hybrid wagon? Our 1995 Taurus wagon is still trundling along fine, but I figure it's going to drop dead someday.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 3:14 PM
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I know there are hybrid SUVs.


Posted by: Jake | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 3:17 PM
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Lizard: The hybrid civic might be enough space for you. It works for our two child family.

I thought people in New York City didn't need cars.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 3:32 PM
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LB The toyota hybrids have more space than the civics (and a bit better efficiency). I don't know about the camry's, but you can load a fair bit into a prius with the rear seats down.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 3:35 PM
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camry's should be camry's trunk.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 3:36 PM
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62: Family in Upstate NY, no mass transit way of getting to outside Elmira without one, and we did the math on renting cars four times a year, and owning one came out cheaper. We probably don't put ten miles on it most weeks -- it sits in a garage. But if we're going to have a car, we need space for two kids and a mediumsize dog, which puts us into wagon land.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 3:38 PM
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The visibility in the Prius really sucks, though, because of the spoiler-type thing that bisects the rear window.


Posted by: Amber | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 3:41 PM
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I want a hybrid wagon, too.


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 3:47 PM
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66: Depends on the year, but yeah, I know what you mean. Also somewhat depends on your height, I suspect. It's actually big enough to seat 5 though, which is why I mentioned it.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 3:47 PM
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35" Is a bike too far-fetched an option? I bike 45 minutes to get to The University. Great excercise and great transportation. And the satisfaction of wizzing past cars in the morning traffic is uncomparable to any other.


Posted by: Lucy | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 3:49 PM
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Is there a hybrid wagon?

Lexus RX330 is a wagon-like SUV (unibody construction) available in a hybrid.

That would a pretty expensive car for the amount of driving you do.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 3:50 PM
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I love my honda. I wish I could bike or use public transportation, but I cannot in this area. The kids also prevent that. (We do walk many places from home.)

I had a BMW for a while, but I was uncomfortable being a BMW owner.


Posted by: Will | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 3:53 PM
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I had a BMW for a while, but I was uncomfortable being a BMW owner and I have missed it every single day since I got rid of it.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 3:54 PM
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I'm figuring if the Taurus lasts a while longer, we can get a hybrid used pretty easily. Maybe.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 3:58 PM
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I found one route where I can take a 15 minute bus ride, followed by an hour bike ride. But the bus only runs three times in the afternoon, and the ride will become increasingly unpleasant as the cleveland winter sets in.

traveling purely by bike takes an hour and 45 minutes, and has to include at least 15 minutes worth of riding someplace where bikes really really shouldn't be going.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 4:02 PM
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The Smart car actually doesn't get such great mileage. Why they don't make an electric one is beyond me.

I say buy something old and light and convert it to electric. A fun family project!


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 4:19 PM
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73: I know a couple who bought a used one this year, fwiw.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 6:07 PM
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I want to get a big truck and a Smart car so I can park my Smart car in the back of the truck.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 7:06 PM
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You could get a folding bike and keep it in the Smart Car.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 7:07 PM
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Squee!


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 7:11 PM
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I'd probably get Yaris before a Smart Car. Mileage is almost identical, and the Yaris is thousands less.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 7:14 PM
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Argggh. My father works his ass off for thirty-five years to keep the Richmond refinary from blowing up or spewing all over the place, and some South Korean fucktards who can't read a goddamned radar machine fuck the whole place up in a hour. I know every single beach in those pictures.

Oh, and cleaning that cute merganser won't save it, sorry. It's probably already poisoned from the chemicals in the crude.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 7:26 PM
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In the interest of ornithological accuracy, I should point out that the 'merganser' remark was a play on the commenter's pseud. It's definitely not a merganser. Cryptic Ned suggested a Northern Shoveler; I'd guess maybe a Canvasback. Not surprisingly, a thick coating of crude oil hampers bird identification.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 7:39 PM
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Were any coots threatened? That would be tragic.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 9:30 PM
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So is this spill front page news on the west coast? Because this is the first I've heard of it, here in the east....


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 10:13 PM
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It is here in SF, at least.

And they were just talking about it on the chunk of BBC radio that's picked up here. It's embarassing, but having been raised on Terminator and Running Man, I do get a bit of kick out of them saying "Governor Schwartzenegger".

(not enough to vote for him.)


Posted by: elemund | Link to this comment | 11- 9-07 10:22 PM
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Effect of oil spills on coots.

Nothing specific about the recent SF spill, but apparently are among the toughest of birds in this regard. That's a real load of my mind. The coots will survive, even if no one else does.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11-10-07 10:16 AM
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