Re: The cure for cranky

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Economist Herbert Gintis.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 10:48 AM
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Laugh-out-loud excellent, Emerson. The use of "economist" really sets the expectations right where they need to be.


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 10:51 AM
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Holy crap, this is the best concept ever.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 10:56 AM
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Wow, Emerson hits it out of the park.


Posted by: mano negra | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 10:56 AM
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Some of those are a huge stretch (Larry Flynt? I don't see it), but some are fucking hilarious. I'm guessing that the spiked-up hairdo is itself now soley the style-property of 40yo lesbians?


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 10:58 AM
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solely


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 10:58 AM
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Richard Butler really does look like an old lesbian. After him Bruce Cockburn is most convincing.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 11:00 AM
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soul-ey, for new-age 40something lesbians

actually, i've seen that hairdo on a few hetro women lately, fwiw.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 11:01 AM
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I've met Jon Voigt, and it's true; he's got old lesbian written all over him.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 11:03 AM
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7: as opposed to Richard Milton Teagle Simmons who, as far as anyone can tell just is an old lesbian.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 11:03 AM
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Kyle MacLachlan, I've noticed this about him before.

Bruce Cockburn I won't give you. I won't give you anything about Bruce Cockburn except high praise. Suck it.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 11:17 AM
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Got a problem with old lesbians, parsimon?


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 11:18 AM
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Wonderful link. I think my favorite has to be Kim Jong Il.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 11:18 AM
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What an honor, to look like an old lesbian. Parsimon is banned.


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 11:21 AM
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Cockburn I won't give you.

Parsimon is not parsimonious with the lube.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 11:22 AM
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Emerson, you hastard! Gintis is a hero of mine. How can I ever take seriously his ideas after that? You were probably in a Trot cell with him in the Seventies.


Posted by: Nworb Werdna | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 11:23 AM
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I leave it to the exceptionally clever commentariat to figure out some meaning for "hastard" that does not make it look like a typo for "bastard".


Posted by: Nworb Werdna | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 11:24 AM
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Emerson has a ta-ard, Emerson has a ta-ard. Whatcha gonna do with your tard, Emerson? Huh? Huh?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 11:26 AM
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17: Clearly you were complaining about the rapidity of his taking the first post.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 11:26 AM
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Bruce Cockburn and Ani DiFranko are converging on being the same person. They both are famous for poetic, lefty lyrics. They both should be famous for being kick as guitar players, but this is too frequently lost on their audience.

And they both look like old lesbians.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 11:26 AM
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Got a problem with old lesbians, parsimon?

No, no. There seems to a theme with the pageboy hairstyle. Or the 80s spiked thing. Looks like Laurie Anderson.

I just like Bruce Cockburn. I am pleased by that picture of him. Funny earring, that.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 11:31 AM
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actually, i've seen that hairdo on a few hetro women lately

B?


Posted by: spaz | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 11:31 AM
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some meaning for "hastard" that does not make it look like a typo for "bastard"

Hastard is resigning.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 11:36 AM
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Bruce Cockburn and Ani DiFranko are converging on being the same person.

I like Ani DiFranco, but I'm not seeing this. Well, I don't know what she looks like lately. But she's so freakin' prolific that I can't suss out her powerful stuff from just the stuff she seems to crank out endlessly.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 11:36 AM
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Funny, but they got less funny as I went through, I think because the cumulative effect is that they started looking like . . . old men.

That said, 1 or more of these 4 things seem to be the determinants:

- "delicate" features, e.g., thin noses (esp. that bump just below your eyes; it tends to be bigger on men) and non-square jaws; and/or
- skin that's become slacker with age, because it tends to make faces less square; and/or
- oversized glasses; and/or
- inappropriate haircuts (not because they're "inappropriate" for men, but because they look stupid, e.g., Kyle McLachlan & Mo Rocca, although Wes Anderson is workin' it).


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 11:46 AM
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It was a bit of a stretch, but you know, she's getting older, she has played for both teams at one point or another...


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 11:47 AM
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I have read one book Gintis contributed to (Moral Sentiments and Material Interests) and admired it a lot. I don't actually hate all economists. He was rather too harsh in his Amazon review of post-autistic economics, but I was a bit disappointed by the book too.

His physical appearance is very striking indeed, but I intended no implied criticism of his books. Seriously.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 11:47 AM
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MacLachlan


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 11:47 AM
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Ani Di Franco, like Zappa and Prince, is a good businessperson who, because of that, has maintained control of her own career. Signing over the business end is what kills musicians.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 11:49 AM
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Even if she is a Socialist.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 11:50 AM
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I would also like to note that the older butch lesbians I've known are waaaay more attractive than those guys.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 11:50 AM
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Obligatory.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 11:50 AM
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The Dead were pretty good business people too, I think.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 11:50 AM
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Ho, ho, ho!


Posted by: Don Imus | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 11:52 AM
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unlike the dead-heads (mostly)


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 11:53 AM
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I think Wes Anderson actually looks like a heterosexual woman.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 11:56 AM
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36: Ned would hit that!


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 11:57 AM
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36 + much of this thread:

see, Lou Reed was right.


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29: You need to add Ian MacKay to that list.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 11:58 AM
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the older butch lesbians

Thank you. Lesbians are not all butch, and I dislike the stereotype. These things are obvious, but it bugs me.

Man, I'm surprised sometimes by how much it bugs me. Free hair for everybody!


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 12:01 PM
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Butch is all lesbians.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 12:02 PM
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Have I been banned yet?


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 12:03 PM
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41 is so, so wrong.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 12:04 PM
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Man, that site is so, so awesome.

No way is Ani diFranco ever going to be interchangeable with Bruce Cockburn, sorry. Could be I've just inherited my lesbian friends' slightly scary collective worship of her, but it seems to me she's way too gracile of form and feature.


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 12:09 PM
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I loathe the music of Ani DiFranco.


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 12:16 PM
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The early stuff, when she was angry, was good. Now that she's happy, it sucks.


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 12:17 PM
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I loathe the music of Ani DiFranco

Even "Plastic Castle?" That's a good song!


Posted by: baa | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 12:21 PM
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parismon: I really don't see why that one specifically bugged you, the implication was in the direction that these men looked like they could be older lesbians, not that all older lesbians would look like these men.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 12:23 PM
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"Plastic Castle?"

Happy phase. Bad. Basically everything after Dilate is happy phase.


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 12:25 PM
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DiFranco's early stuff is good if you like that angry stuff. I do/did. Her later stuff is just, well, it just sounds like more Ani DiFranco. That Labs loathes it is unsurprising, but that's because he's judgmental and all.

DS at 44:

she's way too gracile of form and feature

"gracile"?


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 12:32 PM
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50: I think that's the right word. Meaning slender, graceful, delicate etc? Does this word not mean what I think it means?


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 12:34 PM
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48:

parismon: I really don't see why that one specifically bugged you, the implication was in the direction

Oh, it's just because the linked site had captions for the photos that were dismissive and somewhat insulting, suggesting that these guys were pussies.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 12:36 PM
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50: nobody can maintain that sort of output and be consistently good. She's like most of the other prolific singer songwriters this way, some good stuff and lots of drek.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 12:36 PM
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48: ah, i see. I didn't actually read the site.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 12:36 PM
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Oh, who's judgmental now?


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 12:37 PM
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"gracile"

I've never heard it before. A very quick google shows that it's mostly a medical term.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 12:40 PM
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Happy phase. Bad.

Like lipstick is a sign of her declining mind?


Posted by: baa | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 12:43 PM
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Oh, who's judgmental now?

Huh? I dunno, who?

Anyway, I annoy you all with my two favourite lines from Bruce Cockburn, because I like him that way:

And if mankind must have an enemy
Let it be his warlike pride


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 12:57 PM
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actually, i've seen that hairdo on a few hetro women lately

B?

No, alas. I'm not thin enough for that haircut to look awesome on me. Though there's a picture at PK's 1st birthday (when I was super skinny) where I have the short spiky hair and it's just horrifyingly hot, but alas, the picture's of me helping blow out the candle on his cake, which strongly suggests that I'm a breeder.

The head teacher at PK's school kind of has the old lesbian look.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 1:21 PM
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I would love to wear my hair short and spiky, but with my hair, it would be a little 'fro.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 1:24 PM
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Like lipstick is a sign of her declining mind?

Well, we know all about lipstick, don't we?

And if mankind must have an enemy
Let it be his warlike pride

My personal fave: "If I had a rocket launcher / I'd make somebody pay."


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 1:25 PM
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60: it would be a little 'fro.

And therefore, awesome.


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 1:26 PM
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Little 'fros are great! I envy both curly and straight hair. (Mine is of the genre of wavy that I like to call "lumpy".) I am currently wearing my hear shortish and cowlicky. Truly, I am a sex machine!


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 1:31 PM
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60: I'm in the same boat. I keep experimenting with shorter and more radical cuts, in that I've long since realized that shoulder-length blonde curls make me look old-womanish/little-girlish and way too straight. Someday, I will let go of the last vestiges of "what looks good on my face" and will give in to the butchy punk 'do that my soul demands.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 1:32 PM
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My personal fave: "If I had a rocket launcher / I'd make somebody pay"

Me too!

Although it competes with:

"In the flash of this moment/You're the best of what we are/Don't let them stop you now/Nicaragua"

Heartbreaking to remember what was destroyed, but nice to be reminded of what's possible.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 1:33 PM
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I have slowly been shortening the length of my hair, but my hairdresser, who is otherwise awesome, is loathe to give me anything shorter than a chin-length bob because he really likes the long ringlets I get. But with longer hair I look like an undergrad.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 1:34 PM
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I am in love with my hairdresser. She's sort of a lazy genius. She just bitches about her undergrad classes while half-heartedly grabbing a chunk here or there and razoring it off. Last time I went, I interrupted her to ask, "Uh, do I have bangs now?" She's all, "Yeah, I guess, sorta. Anyway..." Love her.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 1:37 PM
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Little 'fros are great! I envy both curly and straight hair.

People always expect more of you when you have naturally curly hair, you know.

I intended to use that character from Peanuts as an example of a natural endowment that one doesn't deserve tomorrow in section, but it turns out that she's relatively uncommon and the only reason I know about her is that my mom (naturally curly hair possessor) has a strip featuring her saying the above framed.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 1:42 PM
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I think any dude who gets too much work done around the eyes ends up on the list. They should crown Bruce Jenner their king. Also, Marc Jacobs? You're next.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 1:43 PM
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The Kyle MacLachlan joke was performed most notably by Kyle MacLachlan on SNL. He sang "The Cattle Song", lifted up his cowboy hat to reveal a spiky do, and said, "I'm k.d. lang."


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 1:45 PM
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it turns out that she's relatively uncommon

Not really, but kids today aren't familiar with Peanuts the same way we were. Which I continually have to explain to people who think it was nuts for me to give PK the name I did.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 1:53 PM
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because he really likes the long ringlets I get. But with longer hair I look like an undergrad.

You would reject the long ringlets why?

Why are people worrying about looking like an undergrad or, let's see, old-womanish/little-girlish with their curly hair?

Sigh.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 1:55 PM
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You named him Pigpen?!


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 1:55 PM
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it was nuts for me to give PK the name I did

Whether Peanuts is well-known or not, it's still going to be tough going through life as a boy named Peppermint Patty.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 1:56 PM
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71: "Frieda"?


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 1:56 PM
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72: Because I'm not an old woman or a little girl. Seems obvious. And it's not "people"; it's AWB.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 1:56 PM
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an example of a natural endowment that one doesn't deserve

You could just use Labs.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 1:57 PM
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76, cont'd, and Cala too.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 1:57 PM
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Why are people worrying about looking like an undergrad or, let's see, old-womanish/little-girlish with their curly hair?

Sometimes one has a craving to look chic, or polished, or professional, or something along those lines.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 1:57 PM
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Or one's age, indeed, as AWB much more incisively said.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 1:58 PM
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All I know is that I'd love to have AWB's or Cala's hair, and that all you curly-heads are ingrates.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 1:59 PM
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Straight hair is seen as more "professional" looking. And thus, older.

This is because of racism. White people = straight hair.


Posted by: m. leblanc | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:00 PM
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I don't know, I think hip-hop has paved the way for a child named Snoopy.


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:00 PM
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73, oh come on. "Pigpen" is adorable!


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:00 PM
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Yeah, in academia, older scholars of both genders are happy to find reasons to infantilize graduate students upon first meeting them.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:01 PM
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Asian food has paved the way for a child named Snow Pea.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:01 PM
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82b is totally right. I have mentioned before that a friend of mine noticed that commercials for de-frizzing products reach their height during popular Republican administrations, while curl-friendly products signal Democratic ascendancy.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:02 PM
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87: But surely frizz and curl are different things! Also, hair-straightening products spiked in popularity under Clinton, so technically it's all his fault.


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:05 PM
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Eh, my best friend spent most of high school and part of college trying to straighten her kinky hair--and not incidentally looking pretty geeky--until she fell in with a group of women of color who laughed at her and told her to go to a place that knew how to do black hair, already. Since then she's worn it natural and curly and looks *much* more grownup and pulled together and gorgeous.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:05 PM
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Perhaps if G/intis had the spiky hair as well. I mean, I've talked to him on the phone. How could I have done that if I had seen that photograph?


Posted by: Nworb WerdnaAlasdair MacIntyre is fatter than Michael Moore | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:06 PM
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it must be bedtime.


Posted by: and I can't type | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:07 PM
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88: They tend to be related, no? The day I meet a woman with curly and unfrizzy hair is the day I learn envy.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:07 PM
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92: ??? Product, surely. Try a salon that does black hair.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:09 PM
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I do think naming a boy "The Little Red-Headed Girl" was going a bit overboard in the culture wars.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:12 PM
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And it's not "people"; it's AWB.

Relax -- no, I just meant "people" to capture those of us with teh naturally curly hair (me too) who fight it.

We fight it because it looks so unsophisticated and so on, as noted. And I put in a vote for hippie power.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:12 PM
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25, you forgot little pinchy lips. Maybe some of these guys need lip plumper alongside their eyelifts.

I submit that, in the right photos, Paul McCartney has that old lesbian vibe.


Posted by: Magpie | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:12 PM
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I mean naturally unfrizzy and curly, without product. I use Aveda's "Be Curly" lotion, as it's the only thing I've found that really kills frizz while not making anything crispy or crunchy at all.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:12 PM
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Here's someone who manages the feat without having short hair.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:15 PM
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I mean naturally unfrizzy and curly, without product.

But straight hair also tends to develop frizz without product, doesn't it? IANAHD, but I've seen plenty of that.


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:15 PM
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97: Ah, I see.

The flip side, you know, is that straight hair tends to lie flat and look sorta stringy and greasy half the time.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:15 PM
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I envy the "stringy and greasy" look.


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:16 PM
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I love the curliness of my hair, actually, but that, combined with the shape of my face, means I can't get a kickass dykey/punky haircut without looking like a poser.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:16 PM
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99: In straight hair it's just called static electricity.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:19 PM
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That's it. We all have to use product. Or else.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:19 PM
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101: Bleah. I want long hair, but I always just end up hauling it back into a bun all the time and eventually decide there's no real point.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:20 PM
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AWB -- I have curly hair too. Have you tried Devachan? I think it's on Crosby a block or so below Spring? It is a curly-only joint. They swear that if you follow their system -- throwing out your shampoo, using only a small amount of conditioner for daily hair cleaning -- you'll be restored to shiny ringlets. I made it one week without shampoo and reverted.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:20 PM
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85: Yeah, in academia, older scholars of both genders are happy to find reasons to infantilize graduate students upon first meeting them.

I'm just imaging graduate-student uniforms derived from Catholic school uniforms. Grad student could also lick large lollipos throughout the class.

And patent-leather shoes.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:22 PM
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106: I tried that system on my HD's advice, but I really couldn't stick with it. My head felt itchy all the time. I'm trying to stop being so soap-centric, as I know it's giving me dry skin and hair with the weather change, but it's a hard addiction to break. I like feeling clean!

Of course, the Russian Bath method of cleaning does not have to involve soap, and leaves me feeling absurdly clean, but I can only fit that in once every couple of weeks or so.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:23 PM
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107, it's a shame we've devolved away from the compulsory academic robes that look like colorful nighties.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:23 PM
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107: Down, boy.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:23 PM
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My sister has always hated her very curly hair, because it's not versatile. A lot of styles can't be done without straightening it first.

My curly hair makes it easy to look like an anarchist bomb-thrower, which isn't always the effect I want.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:25 PM
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105: I'm sure it would be hell to actually have. It's just a very simple chain of association, greasy = punk rock = sexy.


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:27 PM
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OTOH, the frizzy fullness of curly hair makes a lot of truly bizarre hairstyles possible. When mine was very long, I could do an impressive Gibson girl thing for plays.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:27 PM
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I only shampoo about once a month, but I rinse about twice a week in the hottest water I can stand. My sister (briefly a hairdresser ages ago) had terrible problems with her hair until she took my advice (but only after someone else gave her the same advice).

Relationships, hair care: I know everything about everything, but people just laugh at me.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:29 PM
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Most of the examples at that blog aren't very good. The front page is really the highlights.

The picture of Wes Anderson reminds me of a kid I used to know who had the same hair that Wes does. He would sometimes wear big billowy white dress shirts while otherwise being dressed casually, and looked quite odd without the accompanying cravat. Someone once said to him "You know, Ken, you look kind of like a lesbian in that shirt."


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:29 PM
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graduate-student uniforms derived from Catholic school uniforms, lollipops
There's a recurring Telemundo skit that has adults dressed as children in a classroom with a teacher. There's a leering gordo comedian, chicas calientas-- I don't understand the aesthetic, but it's funny in small doses. I forget if it's on Blablazo grande or Sabado Gigante.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:32 PM
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I know everything about everything, but people just laugh at me
How did things work out for Cassandra?


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:33 PM
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You would reject the long ringlets why?

Why are people worrying about looking like an undergrad or, let's see, old-womanish/little-girlish with their curly hair?

I have very thick hair. The long ringlets take, on average, about four hours to air-dry, and they don't respond well to a blow-dryer (well, they respond well, if by well you mean volume-riffic)

I don't mind looking young, and I think I look good with longer hair, but looking a little more professional helps me not look like a complete airhead.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:37 PM
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AWB, I am very angry with Aveda, because they recently discontinued my beloved Elixir.

I am also sad that St. Ives discontinued their shampoos, because their clarifying shampoo was the best cheap shampoo I knew of. (Drugstore shampoos have gotten shockingly expensive.)

I still broke down and bought some Aveda Sap Moss shampoo, and Kiehl's intensive conditioner is excellent, but you need to leave it on with a shower cap.

ANy recommendations for a cheapish clarifying shampoo, other than Aveda.

I'm also mournign the loss of L'Oreal's fortivive straightening serum which was nearly identical to the Kerastase version.

I usually iron my hair. A couple of times I've just let it tried naturally and gone sort of curly. I got some compliments from my coworkers one day, but I tried this another day and my horrid boss told me that I looked disheveled and should go brush my hair. I also got in trouble for having part of my apron fall on my shoulder. I'm not sure whether I looked particularly bad on that day or whether my boss was just being a jerk. I think that it was a bit of both.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:39 PM
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leering gordo comedian

That sure does sound like Don Francisco, whose stupid face adorns practically every flat surface I see in public these days, because his annual telethon is coming up next week, which means he has to advertise every product there is from McDonalds to cellphones to toilet paper.


Posted by: mano negra | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:40 PM
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120: Ah, that is the guy from Sabado Gigante. I didn't know he was from Chile.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:44 PM
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120: That's the guy on Telemundo I imagined lw was talking about.


Posted by: I don't pay | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:45 PM
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I use fairly cheap drugstore shampoo, but I keep two or three different kinds around so that I'm always getting that clarifying effect that switching shampoos gives.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:45 PM
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Sabado Gigante is on Univision, not Telemundo.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:46 PM
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I also never straighten my hair. It doesn't work, so fuck the uptight WASPs, I say.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:47 PM
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I don't do anything to my hair other than getting it cut around once a year, and washing it once, maybe twice a week. Some mornings I brush it, others I just run my fingers through it to make it dry off my face.

I don't actually recommend this process to anyone, but no one throws rocks at me or anything for being unkempt.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:47 PM
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And apparently, Don Francisco is the son of Polish Jews.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:48 PM
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Sometimes, if I know I'm spending the day at home alone, I'll straighten my hair for the lulz. But it looks hilariously bad and dorky.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:50 PM
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A roommate tried to flat-iron my hair before a dance in college. She felt so horrible at how bad it looked.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:51 PM
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Ha, so BG, Cala, and I are all short and have curly hair. We can form a support group.
Oh, how I loved Aveda's Elixir. They also discontinued their Almond and Cherry Bark Conditioner, too. Have you tried Kiehls Silk Groom as a sub for the Elixir?


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:52 PM
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119: I don't think that Aveda is cheap. I was thinking of Neutrogena, which isn't actually that cheap anymore.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:53 PM
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I'll straighten my hair for the lulz. But it looks hilariously bad and dorky.

See?


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:54 PM
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OTOH, the frizzy fullness of curly hair makes a lot of truly bizarre hairstyles possible.

Perhaps I will bring my demented-anarchist look to DCon.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:55 PM
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See what? I don't anyone here has claimed that they like their own curly hair straightened. I think this is because straightened curly hair is different from the lank, straight locks we sometimes envy because we could at least choose to look tough/butchy/adult/whatever if we had them.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:56 PM
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Someday, I swear, I will find a brilliant hairdresser who can cut my hair in some brilliant way that accommodates all my weird wave-lumps and cowlicks, making everything look intentional and adorable and easy. It must be possible.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:57 PM
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See? Straight hair looks dorky and bad. Was my point.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:57 PM
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I should look into the Kiehl's silk groom. I use their moisturizer. I don't like their face wash much, and I tried their regular shampoo once. Bumble and Bumble's seaweed stuff is supposed to be pretty good, but I think it's much too expensive for what it is.

The L'Oreal straightening serum was so nice, because it had, in addition to silicone, hemp seed oil.

oudemia, join the unfogged flickr pool. Cala's got curly hair. Mine is really more wavy.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:58 PM
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I love getting my hair blown out! Like today, after I got my hair cut! Right now I look like Louise Brooks. Tomorrow it's back to The Little Matchstick Girl.

Favorite style? I once had my hair Marcelled. I was going for Zelda Fitzgerald, and Marcelling works better on curly hair than some attempt at a gamine bob.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:59 PM
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Straight hair is great if your hair does it, and much less of a pain in the ass. Straightened curly hair is straight like the bristles of a wire brush are straight.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 2:59 PM
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116: I think rfts and I have seen this flipping through channels on occasion. We dubbed it "Professor Bangshisclass" and spent a few minutes coming up with translations for the dialogue, as neither of us speaks Spanish.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 3:01 PM
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I don't anyone here has claimed that they like their own curly hair straightened

I didn't claim that, but I do. My hair is quite thin, but there's a lot of it, and it's medium-curly. Very odd combination. So worn curly, it looks like I'm a person who has naturally straight hair with a perm, because it's not thick, and it never falls right. But straight it gets all kinds of exciting volume because it's not really straight, so some of the curl comes through in volume form.


Posted by: m. leblanc | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 3:01 PM
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I use DevaCurl No-Poo for shampoo (yes, it mostly just smells nice) and their ArcAngell gel to make my hair behave and metric assloads of V05 for conditioner, because it's much cheaper per assload than anything else and seems to work pretty well.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 3:01 PM
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I've seen convincingly straightened hair -- a woman I worked with had wildly curly frizzy hair, and came in one day with hair that looked pretty much exactly like mine. I don't know that she made a profit on the deal, I like wild curls, but her hair didn't look straightened, it looked straight.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 3:03 PM
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Straight hair looks dorky and bad.

Crazy talk. It's the hair that accounts for about 3/4 of my HotAsianChick™ fetish.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 3:03 PM
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When my mom was in college, she did her hair by putting two huge curlers on the top and then slowly, tightly wrapping the rest of her hair around her head with bobby pins, making about five revolutions, tightening at each pass. It's one of the most effective straightening techniques I've ever seen, outside of ceramic-ironing. She did it to me a few times in high school, and it looked kinda neat, but if there was any moisture in the air at all, it all turned to puffy crap by afternoon. I'd rather not worry about it. The nice thing about curly hair is that it usually looks better as the day wears on.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 3:07 PM
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I'm intimidated by product. I just don't know what to use. (I also don't want to waste money experimenting).


Posted by: Invisible Adjunct | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 3:08 PM
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138: I so so envy you. I would pay a lot of money to have my hair Marcelled. I tried it for my wedding and, meh.


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145: My sister uses orange-juice cans.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 3:09 PM
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143: I think I could manage it, were there no humidity and I had six hours to spend.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 3:09 PM
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Whas Marcelled?


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 3:10 PM
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I hate getting my hair blown out. It ends up looking like Astronaut Wife helmet hair. That and everyone always thinks it would be "fun" to flip it out 60s style instead of curling it under.

I always lie and say I'm going to the gym or something after a haircut in the hope that they won't bother. One of my old hairdressers (imagine Ogged's mom) would get all mad and chew me out in her thickly accented English "No gym. Tonight you go dancing and find yourself a husband."


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 3:11 PM
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150: The woman on the right is Marcelled.


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 3:14 PM
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My mom would most certainly not recommend that anyone go cavorting, thank you very much.


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150: Picture Betty Boop. Or a siren in an early 30s movie. The hair is parted on the side and then set in a series of close waves. That makes no sense. I will Google a pic. Or find my prom pic.


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151: Yuck. My hairdresser likes to spend our time together lecturing me on the fact that men are scum. I keep agreeing with her, in the hopes that one day, she'll be all "And that's why I'm taking you home with me," but it hasn't worked yet.


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153 - I don't think she pictured me going cavorting. I truly believe she imagined me going to some chaste sockhop and sipping lemonade.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 3:16 PM
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I love the marcelled look. Had I but world enough and time, I would learn how to do proper pincurls in my hair and achieve adorable 1930s styles thereby. I even own setting lotion, but all the times I'd have to do it wrong before I got it right, and the prospect of my arms falling off (my hair, it is very thick in the sense of many many hairs on the head) mean that I never will.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 3:19 PM
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My hairdresser is a heavyset dirty old man who does my hair while cracking jokes about how sexy I look, I should go put on a black thong and call my husband, that would get him home from work quick.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 3:20 PM
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Oh, I bet I could get my hair to Marcel if no one minded the ends turning into ringlets....


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 3:21 PM
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I have yet to meet a straight male hairdresser who didn't openly admit to perving on his clients.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 3:22 PM
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I don't mind it, really, but mostly because I'm just so amused by it. It's like 50 years of misogyny rolled into one haircut, mostly so I don't assume he's a gay heavyset dirty old man, I think.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 3:25 PM
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The people at Great Clips don't say a word to me and I don't say a word to them.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 3:27 PM
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There must be a principle by which the expense of a haircut could be placed along a bell curve w/r/t the amount of flattering conversation you get, peaking at around $40. Above and below that, you're mostly getting a haircut for your money, not a friendly experience.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 3:31 PM
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160: Ooh! My guy! Straight, Greek 30-something married hipster. Non-pervy and kind of serious.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 3:32 PM
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Ugh, I have way too much hair for hairdryers to mean anything but "tragedy." Back before I started cutting my hair myself I just told my stylist that she was not allowed to dry my hair for me. Then I realized that when "haircut" essentially means "cut random chunks out until it looks good" I quit going altogether; now it gives me something to do every six weeks. Punk life forever.


Posted by: caldwellian | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 3:33 PM
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164: Awesome! I am glad to be wrong.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 3:35 PM
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now it gives me something to do every six weeks. Punk life forever.

You don't live in Palo Alto. You would burn up and disintegrate when you tried to penetrate the atmosphere.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 3:37 PM
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157: I envy your fortitude and abilities! Even if I could hold my arms above my head that long, I just do not have the mad hair skillz.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 3:44 PM
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I remember having girlfriends in high school who liked to do weird shit to each other's hair and makeup for fun. It wasn't to be pretty; it was much more to see how unlike our friends we could make themselves look. Kind of a hoot, really.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 3:47 PM
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My mom always had really curly hair, and my dad has perfectly straight hair: most of us kids have something in the middle. One of my sisters did get dad's hair, and I totally envy it. My hair looks good when it's short or long, but most of the time it's in the middle and just looks like I need a haircut.

Mom did used to straighten her hair, but she gave up once she had kids.


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 3:47 PM
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What a pretty towel-princess you are, mrh!


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 3:48 PM
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My mother has curly hair that gets big soft curls. She straightens it. My dad's hair is wavy. One of my sisters has fine hair that will barely hold a curl, one has straight hair that will hold a curl easily, and one has thick wavy hair that she straightens. I apparently stole all the curls for the whole family.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 3:51 PM
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What a pretty towel-princess you are, mrh!

The amazing part? I'm still that adorable.


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 3:52 PM
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167: Actually, that's a common misconception: what really happens to offenders like me is that the locals shoot lasers out of their eyes, which produces the same effect. I have survived only by being a cheerfully smug, self-satisfied prick. Obviously this is difficult work for someone as naturally sweet as I.


Posted by: caldwellian | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 3:54 PM
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My dad had curly black hair and my mother wavy ash blond. Oldest brother has slightly wavy chestnut hair and hazel eyes. Middle brother had perfect black corkscrew curls (until he bowed to necessity and starting shaving what was left of them) and green eyes. I have black eyes and black hair in curls that are nowhere near as nice as Middle Brother's. It's bullshit frankly that he got all the pretty girl accessories.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 3:59 PM
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Oh, also, ogged, thanks. Every time I think about being a "real" Palo Altan, I have a minor panic attack.


Posted by: caldwellian | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 4:04 PM
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I wouldn't go so far as to call the yuppie hordes real Palo Altans. A lot of real Palo Altans are hippie sympathizers who settled there decades ago and wonder what the hell is going on, but thanks for the 1000% home appreciation...


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 4:22 PM
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I actually know a number of that type--but they're also the ones who don't contribute to the roiling Palo Altan atmosphere that attempts to fry people who don't pay for hair cuts & that has become at least the most aggressive, if not authentic, face of Palo Alto. Since it's what I see when I walk through downtown every morning, it's difficult for me not to think of that as "real."


Posted by: caldwellian | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 4:38 PM
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No doubt Unfogged meanies like bitchphd are going to say "get a room" any minute, so I'll leave the topic with this: I lived there from 1999 through 2004, which means that I was there at the height of the first internet boom, and also during the bust. This second boom is, in terms of conspicuous consumption and cocooned obliviousness, even worse than the first, and it makes it a very strange place to live. But, much like high school, it's a tiny, strange, insular world that disappears without a trace when you step out into the real world.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 4:51 PM
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disappears without a trace when you step out into the real world

I'll shut up now, too, but seriously: so glad to be leaving the Bay Area soon.


Posted by: caldwellian | Link to this comment | 11-15-07 4:56 PM
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I usually iron my hair. A couple of times I've just let it tried naturally and gone sort of curly. I got some compliments from my coworkers one day, but I tried this another day and my horrid boss told me that I looked disheveled and should go brush my hair.

What? The Allston Whole Foods cosmetics and vitamins department employs a woman with knee-length grey dreds. That sets the bar pretty low, button-up-wise.


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119: I am very angry with Aveda, because they recently discontinued my beloved Elixir.
BG, my Aveda contact said that some new pomade they came out with this year could be a replacement. But I'm not really sure she understood the question, as it had to be filtered through her completely bald significant other.


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182: It wasn't for me, it was for ... uh ... a friend.

I've learned to live with my medium curly hair, just as it has decided to leave me for good. Now I'll never get that mohawk that I postponed while I still had living grandparents. Sigh.


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I love people who dream big. Since 1984 I've thought Bruce Cockburn looked like a lesbian, but do I think to start a website? No I do not.


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