Re: Chicago Meetup: 12/28

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I'll be there, but other people will have to make up the details. I'll be staying at Hotel 71 on East Wacker. I also won't have tons of time for a big kick-ass party, but I could do dinner and drinks!


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 1:46 PM
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Well, I suppose the vital question is how many people plan on showing. I can certainly host provided that there are 20-25 or fewer people. If we only have around a dozen or fewer, we could certainly arrange a dinner and drinks.


Posted by: Po-Mo Polymath | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 1:54 PM
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I doubt it'll be 20-25, but I don't know. The regular Chicago contingent plus the MLAites?


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 1:55 PM
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The regular Chicago contingent plus the MLAites?

Yes, I think this is correct. Snark and I are also staying at Hotel 71! I suppose it's the natural choice.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 1:56 PM
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Yeah, from people who expressed interest in the initial thread, I expect only a dozen at most. But I don't know if there are any lurkers or the such around who would join in.

To be honest, I don't know if there's a regular Chicago contingent. I've only shown up at one such meet-up for about 15-20 minutes before pressing engagements demanded my attention.


Posted by: Po-Mo Polymath | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 1:59 PM
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I wish there were a regular Chicago contingent. But I'm likely to be in NY then. Sorry.


Posted by: Katherine | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 2:00 PM
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What, huh? Oh, yeah, sounds like fun. I think I'll be there, if I'm not in DC for DCon yet (which I don't even know if I'm going to).

I'll show up for whatever.


Posted by: m. leblanc | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 2:02 PM
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Leblanc, you should totally come to DCon.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 2:05 PM
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I'm broke, yo! I just dropped mega cash on a ticket to Paris.

But I'm thinking seriously about it.


Posted by: m. leblanc | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 2:08 PM
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Leblanc, you should totally come to DCon

And you should totally come to SCon. Chicago's beautiful in the middle of winter, I swear! Bracing!


Posted by: Po-Mo Polymath | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 2:12 PM
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Boo to you MLAsians, I say. The AP(hilological)A (or as we call it Chez Oudemia, chick APA, as opposed to dick APA, which is philosophical, of course) will be meeting in Chicago, but not until after the New Year.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 2:20 PM
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I'll think about coming, but I'm the worst sort of lurker.


Posted by: ed bowlinger | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 2:24 PM
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Philology still exists?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 2:25 PM
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14: Yes. In the hearts of all geeky little boys and girls who still read their copy of D'Aulaire's Book of Greek Mythology.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 2:32 PM
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Uh, 13 -- otherwise, mise en abyme.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 2:33 PM
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Philology died when the first kid said, philology's not dead.

I thought it all got folded into either classics or the MLA umbrella or something.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 2:33 PM
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Well, almost but not quite. That's still the name of the professional organization for classicists, but it's quite presumptuous (much like the name "classics," in fact), since there's all sorts of kinds of philologists (German, Italian, whatever). Add to that the fact that a rather small percentage of classicists is actually engaging in the careful study of usage, diction, and grammar that counts as philology. What I do is basically comp litty, I suppose. Still the name persists; not just in the APA, but also things like the journal Classical Philology and probably some department names.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 2:40 PM
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IDP also expressed interest when I emailed him under the mistaken impression that he was hosting.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 2:52 PM
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I'm bummed that I can't make it. Mommy duties. One of these days, I really would like to meet some of you guys!


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 2:53 PM
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People have taken kids to meetups before, Di.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 2:54 PM
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19: Bring Rory! On second thought, don't. You wouldn't want that brought up in the custody hearing.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 2:54 PM
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11: ontology recapitulates philology.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 2:56 PM
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"And then my mommy took me to dinner with her imaginary friends who all have pretend names."

Mostly, I think she'd be annoyed if she had to go have dinner with a bunch of grown-ups she doesn't know.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 3:01 PM
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Hotel 71 is way cool. I had some great skyline-viewing sex there recently.


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 3:01 PM
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Wrongshore, 71.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 3:06 PM
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Ah, that explains why he was able to concentrate on the skyline.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 3:10 PM
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And also illustrates why Rory will never meet you people.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 3:10 PM
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And also illustrates why Rory will never meet you people.

I looked at the illustration but didn't see a reason there: can you be more specific?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 3:19 PM
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I looked at the illustration but didn't see a reason there: can you be more specific?

Because Di doesn't want Rory's budding drawing ability to retrogress, duh!


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 3:22 PM
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Hotel 71 is way cool.

That bend in the river is indeed amazing for the view down Wacker Drive it affords. I always love my walk home across those bridges, provided it's warm enough to tarry a while.


Posted by: Po-Mo Polymath | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 3:36 PM
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"Rory, meet your new family."


Posted by: Will | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 3:42 PM
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oudemia, you must come to UnfoggeDCon so that I can bitch about one of my professors from college. We had such an annoyingly philologically oriented department. If it had been someone with the broad humanism of Werner Jaeger, it would have been tolerable, but no.

People talk about people who can't see the forest for the trees, but I think that true philogists can't see the forest for the leaves of the trees, or worse yet, the tree for the veins of the leaves. It really depressed me a lot.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 3:58 PM
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Coordinate!

I'll wear corduroys.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 4:15 PM
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I was planning to catch up on my Netflix that day, but I might be able to pencil in dinner and drinks.


Posted by: Adam Kotsko | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 4:24 PM
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32: Ooh, I don't know that I can come to DC, but I know just what you mean. I took a class with such a person on a particularly delightful author and my literary questions were met with snorts and eyerolls, but we would talk about "ge" for an hour. And that's cool, but, I mean, can't we do both, please?


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 4:26 PM
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35: The worst offender was a Latinist. He didn't have the excuse of particles.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 4:31 PM
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Hm, maybe I should have majored in classics. Oh well, too late now.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 4:34 PM
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36: I'd like to sit down with a Latinist someday and say, "What the fuck is up with having infinitives inflected for tense? The whole point of the infinitive is that it's the neutral form of the verb!" I may grab the Latinist's shoulders and shake him or her while making this statement, to indicate my urgency.


Posted by: Adam Kotsko | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 4:41 PM
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36: Yeah, particles are kind of cool, with their delicate ninja ways. Hmm, just tried to figure out who you mean by looking at the faculty. I think I can guess.
Did you ever take a class with Hen/richs? I love him. I was also reminded of a dick move CJ pulled with me once. Ugh.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 4:41 PM
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38: No that's fun! Especially in dependent/subordinate clauses! Best is when Caesar decides he's so bad ass he doesn't even need to conjugate his verbs and just uses the infinitive.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 4:46 PM
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Why are you more worked up about tense than about mood, Adam?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 4:47 PM
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Where by "mood" I mean "voice".


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 4:47 PM
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And where by Where by "mood" I mean "voice" I mean, where by "mood" I mean voice.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 4:48 PM
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Yes, I adore him. I once had him to a dinner at my Hosue and introduced him to my House master. Professor X, this is John Young. Professor Young, this is Paul X. Professor X was very casual, but when, after a bit of mumbling, Professor X, said, hmm, and Professor Young replied, "Young" in his German accent, my House Master figured out that he shuldn't call him by his first name. Since my House master studied Near Eastern stuff, he made some nice comments about Professor Young's (H's) early work on gn/ostics.

The person I'm thinking of has a name which could be shortened to a word that's popular here on unfogged; it's also synonymous with jerk. He wasn't really a jerk. That's what made it so sad.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 4:48 PM
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The person I'm thinking of has a name which could be shortened to a word that's popular here on unfogged; it's also synonymous with jerk.

Hell of a painter, too.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 4:55 PM
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44: Yes, that is who I thought!
AH was totally charming at a small conference last year and managed to work an aside on his distaste for factory farming into a talk on tragedy. And I'm fairly worshipful of most of his work.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 4:55 PM
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So speaking of the Chicago meetup, anybody in Boston want to go see the Celtics tonight?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 4:58 PM
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46: I was initially really intimidated by AH, but he was great about telling stories about his piano playing neighbor. One of my classmates called him at hope at 11PM, and he didn't seem to mind too much. I think that he frequently pulled all nighters.

I absolutely worshipped and feared (because he was so damn brilliant). C Se/gal. He was inordinately kind and not to be feared, but I was intimidated nonetheless.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 4:58 PM
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43: Ben, you make a valid point. Inflection for voice, of course, only compounds the problem. If they had infinitives with mood as well, that would really be the last straw.


Posted by: Adam Kotsko | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 5:00 PM
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Back to coordination. I looked at the MLA schedule. The Long 18th roundtable (Laura Rosenthal, Dave Mazella et al.) is set for Friday 7:15 to 8:30. Some of us who want to be at the meetup will also want to be at the roundtable. If the meetup is dinner and drinks and reservations are for 8:30 or earlier, we'll be put to a choice.


Posted by: jim | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 5:01 PM
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50: I am in this boat. I didn't look at the schedule yet. Glad you did, jim!


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 5:03 PM
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Actually, I wasn't totally clear. There are two professors with that first name. They are both rather philologically minded.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 5:03 PM
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Tweety, do you have free tickets. I can not afford to spend any money, but I would love to go otherwise.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 5:04 PM
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One free ticket, yep


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 5:05 PM
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I'm very open, time-wise, as I plan to blow off most of the conference. I'd ideally prefer a casual gathering at someone's home or hotel or something over dinner at a restaurant, but on that, too, I am flexible. (Especially because it's pretty obnoxious to demand that Po-Mo Polymath play host if going to a restaurant would be more pleasant!)


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 5:05 PM
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I sent you an e-mail. I'd love to go if Blume's unavailable. I've never been to one.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 5:07 PM
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I wrote a shitty, shitty paper for the seminar I took with L*ura R*senth*l, alas. Very embarrassing! She's great, though.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 5:07 PM
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Is Butler doing anything at the MLA?


Posted by: Adam Kotsko | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 5:10 PM
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52: First and last letter of his surname is the same? That's the guy I was thinking of.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 5:11 PM
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59: Nope, in the alphabet the last letter of his surname comes before the first letter of his surname.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 5:13 PM
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Oh, and, I think I've said this to you before but, I have never, ever heard anyone speak anything less than high praise of CS -- and academics are a nasty, gossipy lot. I'm probably going to get a tattoo of something I first came across in a book of his. The thing I have in mind is not "his" -- but it was through him that I first encountered it.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 5:14 PM
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So speaking of the Chicago meetup, anybody in Boston want to go see the Celtics tonight?

Sports, ah, you're making me jealous. Packers-Cowboys starts in just under an hour, and I'm at work because we're welcoming my new boss with a conference call between the Chicago and Shenzhen teams. We're scheduled 'til 8:30.

Boo!


Posted by: Po-Mo Polymath | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 5:15 PM
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(Hm, having said that, I wouldn't mind if someone went back and spoilerized LR's name.)


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 5:15 PM
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Googleproofed, whatever.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 5:15 PM
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Packers-Cowboys starts in just under an hour

AND NO ONE IN AMERICA CAN WATCH IT ON TV.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 5:16 PM
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60: Ah, I see.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 5:17 PM
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Your wish is to me a command, redfoxtailshrub.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 5:18 PM
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Thank you very much.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 5:18 PM
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60: OMG, BG. Did you look at the pictures of his 20 year old self on his webpage??!!


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 5:19 PM
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oudemia, here's some nasty gossip then. [Story redacted because while incomprehensible to anyone outside the relevant academic community, someone who understood it might have happened along. LB]


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 5:20 PM
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General question, what does the z in "zomg" stand for? That's a phrase AWB seems to lijke a lot.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 5:21 PM
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The reason was that people thought it was impossible for anyone to write so much and have it not be crap.

Did it occur to any of them that they could sample some of the work and see if it was crap?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 5:21 PM
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69: I just did. I'd forgotten about that. It's pretty hilarious. I find it terribly hard to imagine him acting like that.


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71: there was extensive discussion of this recently on another thread. I'm too lazy to search. It stands for "sloppy pressing of the shift key."


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 5:23 PM
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General question, what does the z in "zomg" stand for? That's a phrase AWB seems to lijke a lot.

It doesn't stand for anything. It contributes to intensity.

Some people argue that "zomg" is pronounced "zoh my god". I say that "zomg" has transcended abbreviating anything, and should be pronounced "zoŋ", except if the "ŋ" were more like an m than an n, or "zomguh", with the "mguh" kind of swallowed.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 5:24 PM
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70: Sheesh! Well, leave it to that department to be nasty in ways undreamt by others! (Not that anyone doubts their brilliance, but some of them are not nice. Do you know about the time all the women grad students quit?)


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 5:25 PM
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It stands for "sloppy pressing of the shift key."

It's actually a neat question whether it stands for sloppy pressing of the shift key.

There are circumstances in which we are inclined to say that it does, but then again other circumstances in which it clearly doesn't, any more than "I am in pain" stands for a cry.

Five guesses as to whom I've been reading recently.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 5:27 PM
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I should say, there are circumstances in which we are inclined to say that it does, and correctly so.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 5:29 PM
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76: No, I never heard that story, and GN is wonderful too. His younger brother in English and Cel/tic stuff at UC/LA is also super nice. Anyway, I think that I might be revealign too much. We definitely need to meet up in real life some day.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 5:30 PM
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Bah, when I get excited, I type too quickly, and my sentences don't hang together well.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 5:31 PM
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Yes, I agree. And I love GN, too. He and my adviser are tight. But the other story is definitely not an on-line affair.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 5:34 PM
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(Wittgenstein?)


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 5:35 PM
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77: Quine!


Posted by: Adam Kotsko | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 5:36 PM
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81: Yup, I think that you're right. The person told me that for very kind reasons related to a less than fawning review of my undergraduate thesis, but I should not have repeated it. Would someone please redact 70?


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 5:51 PM
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(or Quine, aye)


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 5:56 PM
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(85: The joke I intended to make was that it was super-obvious that it was Wittgenstein.)


Posted by: Adam Kotsko | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 5:59 PM
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Oh ah. *grunts enigmatically*


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 6:01 PM
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I'm all too appeasing. "Sure, or Quine, if you like! That's a lovely answer."


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 6:03 PM
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Hey BG -- I meant the grad students quitting story! That other one is pretty Google proof, I think. But do what BG says, anyway, Powers that Be(n).


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 6:04 PM
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damn...a chicago meet-up. i came to the last one and had a good time, but am in italy for the year and not coming home for christmas. damn. have a great time, a happy christmas, heppy new year and so on...


Posted by: Hank | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 6:14 PM
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Yay! A Chicago meetup! Count me in. Maybe. I think.


Posted by: gea | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 6:49 PM
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Just in case it wasn't clear from 50, as long as we can avoid the conflict with the Long 18th roundtable, count Ellen and me in.

We won't be in Hotel 71 with the rest of the cool kids, though. We're old. We'll be at the Regency where we don't have to wear a coat to get to the sessions.


Posted by: jim | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 7:38 PM
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i'm down, awb. wondering if i'll be interviewing any of you there ... if i meet you on the 28th and your interview is on the 29th, well, shit, we should work out a secret handshake in advance.

i'm staying some godforsaken place a mile away because i never book a room in time to prevent coat wearing.


Posted by: literacy h. dogfight | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 11:22 PM
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I'm not interviewing, yet, LHD. I'm there for, uh, administrative reasons.

Looking forward to meeting/seeing you all there!


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 11-29-07 11:25 PM
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Bummer. I'll be out of town. I'd have loved to meet all you imaginary people.


Posted by: Tom Scudder | Link to this comment | 11-30-07 1:08 PM
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I'll be there. If anyone wants to interview me for a position, I'd appreciate it. What with me not having applied anywhere, if I landed a job, it'd be the best story ever. Don't you want to be a part of it?


Posted by: SEK | Link to this comment | 11-30-07 1:44 PM
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What with me not having applied anywhere, if I landed a job, it'd be the best story ever.

I'm sort of trying this method right now. I did actually get an offer out of the blue recently, but not t-t. So I can't say it's working that well.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 11-30-07 1:46 PM
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Given that it's you, the story would also almost certainly involve inappropriately public sex, adding to the fun.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 11-30-07 1:47 PM
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uh, administrative reasons

A rare case in which "administrative" is used to intriguing and mysterious purpose.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 11-30-07 1:49 PM
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involve inappropriately public sex,

well that's one way to get the recruiters attention.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 11-30-07 1:51 PM
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I'll be there. If anyone wants to interview me for a position, I'd appreciate it. What with me not having applied anywhere, if I landed a job, it'd be the best story ever.

Pretty much happened to a guy I knew at grad school. And he had only just passed his exams, hadn't even started the diss! I suppose it's a relevant detail that his field is modern Arabic literature...


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 11-30-07 1:56 PM
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I hate the guy you knew in grad school.


Posted by: SEK | Link to this comment | 11-30-07 3:31 PM
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Racist.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11-30-07 3:32 PM
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I suppose it's a relevant detail that his field is modern Arabic literature...

Intriguing.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-30-07 4:30 PM
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yes, I know, late, late, late to comment, but I have an above 50 percent chance of showing up to take photos, and keep my face hidden.


Posted by: Seth Anderson | Link to this comment | 12- 1-07 10:35 PM
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Oh, and I forgot to make some joke about lurking. So I'm making it now.


Posted by: Seth Anderson | Link to this comment | 12- 1-07 10:36 PM
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