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I think we all do.


Posted by: Chopper | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 10:16 PM
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woohoo, a duel?
how exciting
may be i'll come to watch irrelevantly
http://fanfan.tulipan.filmweb.pl/


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 10:20 PM
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It would be especially funny if after all the shit he takes here, w-lfs-n left you crying like a little biatch.


Posted by: spaz | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 10:21 PM
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You know what game I want to play with w-lfs-n? This one.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 10:22 PM
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It looked like they were going to make out for a little while there. Can your game with w-lfs-n end like that?


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 10:23 PM
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Yawn. Labs did that last year.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 10:23 PM
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Anyone know what language that is?


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 10:24 PM
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5: Precisely. Those sorts of man games always end in naked romping.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 10:25 PM
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6 to 4?


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 10:25 PM
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I thought Labs punched Ackerman while Ackerman was wearing a flack jacket.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 10:26 PM
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Labs's punch gets all the glory but people forget that I Buffy-kicked Spencer to the chest while wearing a dress and heels. Jim Henley can vouch for me.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 10:26 PM
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He wrassled with Ben, too.

Anyway, if you're gonna do that you're gonna have to let Ben touch your face, you know.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 10:27 PM
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11: Labs gets the glory because he broke his hand. You get ignored because you emerged unscathed.

Just further evidence that a woman has to be twice as good as a man to get any credit, and sometimes not even then.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 10:28 PM
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you're gonna have to let Ben touch your face

Not if I go first.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 10:29 PM
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Yeah, like you're the big hard man. Puhleeze.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 10:31 PM
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11: holy shit is Henley going to be at uDCon: Fievel Goes West? I might really, really have to show up.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 10:31 PM
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16 - We haven't heard from him but plan to put him on the Evite in case he wants to.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 10:32 PM
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16- Delta just released a bunch of fairly cheap seats BOS to BWI, $162 round trip incl. taxes. I might have to actually commit now.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 10:33 PM
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Fievel Goes West

East, you mean.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 10:34 PM
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By "Fievel" I obviously meant "Asilon".


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 10:35 PM
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We haven't heard from Henley! Only come if you won't be crushed if he doesn't attend!

Also, don't come if you'll be crushed you don't get laid. We aren't guaranteeing anyone sex. And the gender ratios aren't going to work in many people's favor.

We especially aren't guaranteeing anyone sex with Henley, Sifu.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 10:37 PM
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Oh, Henley can't resist my musk. That's not what I'm worried about.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 10:40 PM
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the gender ratios aren't going to work in many people's favor.

How heteronormative.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 10:41 PM
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OT - I'm getting a new laptop tomorrow and feel compelled to back up and delete anything off this laptop I don't want tech support to read before I turn it in. This is a long fucking process for me, people.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 10:41 PM
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23 - That's why I said many people, you nit.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 10:43 PM
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25 to 22.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 10:43 PM
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Another reason not to use work-supplied computers for personal ends.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 10:44 PM
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don't come if you'll be crushed you don't get laid.

I'm bringing my boyfriend, so I'm guaranteed to get laid. Repeatedly.

Bwahahahaha.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 10:45 PM
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I'm bringing my boyfriend

She lacks confidence, in her old age.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 10:48 PM
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And the gender ratios aren't going to work in many people's favor.

Um, many people of which gender? Also, "ratios"?


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 10:49 PM
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29: You just keep putting on that brave face, honey.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 10:51 PM
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There's the M:F ratio and the F:M ratio. Different ratios, you know.

I mention those two only because I don't know if there are any attendees of any other category, not, of course, because I think that those two exhaust the possibilities.

Um, many people of which gender?

This is the internet, teo.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 10:51 PM
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There's the M:F ratio and the F:M ratio. Different ratios, you know.

But easily calculable one from the other.

This is the internet, teo.

Fair enough. I wasn't counting on getting laid anyway.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 10:52 PM
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Fair enough. I wasn't counting on getting laid anyway.

Atta boy. The ol' Beeblebrox Maneuvre.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 10:53 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvmyyE7l01I


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 10:55 PM
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If you get right down to it, you can't really compute gender ratios from sex ratios.

On the other hand, if you get right down to it teo's expectations are probably best for all involved.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 10:57 PM
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36.2: now, when has that ever been true?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 11:00 PM
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There's a first time for everything.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 11:02 PM
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37: and yet, many many previous threads have come to precisely this conclusion (not specifically about teo, of course)


Posted by: Cleo | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 11:02 PM
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37: well in this instance anyway; 33.last was exactly right. Especially if you want to maximize your odds of getting laid at such an event. Works the other way too.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 11:03 PM
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40: if you want to maximize your chance of getting laid at such an event you've already lost.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 11:04 PM
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Hmmm, I do wonder what language that is.

It sounded like the guy was calling one of the kids "Ayman".


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 11:05 PM
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40 exactly. so, as I said, teo's expectations are best.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 11:07 PM
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It sounded like the guy was calling one of the kids "Ayman".

Yeah, that's the only part that sounded recognizable. It's not Arabic (or at least not any dialect of Arabic that I've ever heard), so probably some other Muslim language.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 11:09 PM
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It isn't Farsi?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 11:10 PM
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There is no other Muslim language.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 11:11 PM
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46: Persian.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 11:12 PM
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I was thinking Caucasus, but that's just a guess.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 11:12 PM
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It isn't Farsi?

It could be; I just don't know what Farsi sounds like.

There is no other Muslim language.

"Language spoken by Muslims" then.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 11:13 PM
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Definitely not Farsi.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 11:14 PM
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48: I was thinking one of the Indian languages, but listening to it again a Caucasian language sounds more likely.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 11:14 PM
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38: Sure. Just not yet.


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 11:14 PM
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Could also be Turkish.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 11:16 PM
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Or one of the other Turkic languages.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 11:17 PM
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Thinking about this makes me realize how few of these languages I've actually heard.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 11:17 PM
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It's a mystery!


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 11:17 PM
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47: What I was talking about, which teo gets, is that Arabic is semi-holy in Islam. It's like Hebrew for jews and Latin for Catholics. There are people in Madrassahs right now memorizing Arabic phrases that they don't understand, just because they're verses from the Koran.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 11:18 PM
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My money's on Caucasus.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 11:19 PM
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57: Not just semi-holy; it is The Language of Islam. Much more important even than Hebrew for Jews.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 11:19 PM
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58: Yeah, I'm thinking that's the most likely. Lots of consonant clusters.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 11:20 PM
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I'd just like to record a great phrase divorced (ha! see, it's funny because the phrase occurs in the context of an example about failed marriages) from context: "depressing and intriguing possibilities for unhappiness". (From Author-ty and Estrang-ment.)


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 11:20 PM
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I'm off to bed; try to get back to talking about slapping w-lfs-n, would you?


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 11:20 PM
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Oh, there are some language audio samples here and here.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 11:23 PM
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57: True enough. Otoh the Persians I know tell me they're pretty chuffed they managed to get one over on the Arabs by keeping their language, sort of. Words to that effect, anyway.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 11:23 PM
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OK, controversial question follows, so avert your eyes if necessary: other than w-lfs-n ( everybody's obvious choice), who amongst us most needs to be slapped? Discuss.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 11:24 PM
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63: It's very unlikely that this language is one of the ones listed on either of those sites.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 11:25 PM
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We could have a round-robin slapping contest to determine who slaps w-lfs-n.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 11:26 PM
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67 makes me regret missing UnfoggedDCCon.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 11:30 PM
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who amongst us most needs to be slapped?

[Becks' ass raises its, um, hand]


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 11:37 PM
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UnfoggedDCCon

If there's one next year, it'll be called UnfoggeddDCcCon.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 11:40 PM
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I'm sorry for killing the thread, I now understand that slapping is a desire closely held, hidden until the moment of completion. Resume your musings.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 11:49 PM
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No one need be slapped. This is the most important thing.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12- 5-07 11:55 PM
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This reminds me the drinking game Slap Shots. The rules should be rather obvious from the name. I've only seen it played in pairs, each person taking a turn being the slapper and slappee, but I would imagine it would work in a circular fashion for as large and raucous a gathering I imagine UnfoggeDCon to be. It works especially well as a chaser for cheap ass liquor.


Posted by: sundaycontingency | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 12:16 AM
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I will slap ben. I will slap him a high five, a gesture common to young people across our young-people cultural milieu. Being a young person with the requisite know-how regarding said gesture—and an asshat—Mr. w-lfs-n will likely correct my grammar, not to mention the proportions of ingredients in the fine drink I'm enjoying. Then I'll tell him to fuck off and have a much better time chatting up B. and her boyfriend, while we make fun of ogged.

This isn't hard, people. It's going to be very, very fun.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 12:19 AM
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It's not about fun. Fun is for 6 year olds on the playground. It's about the administration of pain in measured doses.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 12:21 AM
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Also, don't come if you'll be crushed you don't get laid.

So much for this year. I'm holding out for UnfoggedSexTourCon.


Posted by: Michael | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 12:25 AM
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Is Emerson attending? You could try slapping him until he loses consciousness of the larger world and is then, for a brief, precious moment, happy.


Posted by: Michael | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 12:28 AM
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I meant to write McManus instead of Emerson. But go ahead and do it for both of them.


Posted by: Michael | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 12:29 AM
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I'll take all comers who dare to challenge me at chessboxing.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 12:49 AM
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The w-lfs-n Challenge is the dance-off, folks. That's where you'll beat him. Hold your shit together. We're almost there.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 12:53 AM
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re: 79

Bah. Fuckin' Atlantic Ocean. Otherwise, you'd be on.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 12:54 AM
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OT:

In the recovery room, her husband, Paul, presented her with a pair of diamond earrings. . . . .
"I was on cloud nine," Ms. Slosberg said. "It was the perfect present to make a frazzled, sleep-deprived, first-time mommy feel absolutely glamorous." She added, "I wonder what 17 hours of labor will get me next time?"

Holy smokes, this week's Thursday Styles really takes the cake.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 1:00 AM
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80: that's hardly a challenge.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 1:17 AM
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By "Fievel" I obviously meant "Asilon".

There *aren't* any cats in America are there?

(On the day I'm coming pretty much south.)


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 2:45 AM
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re: 84

Washington is pretty much south of anywhere in the UK [where, by 'pretty much' I mean 'a lot'], so, south both on the day and in general.

</pedant>


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 2:51 AM
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I havent read this thread, but I am guessing that nattar played a game that we played: two guys hitting their fists together until one cries uncle.

I tried to avoid playing and always lost. My friends were really big (6'4") with high tolerances for pain.


Posted by: Will | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 3:47 AM
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Nastier things than that were played in my high school. 'Snips' with playing cards used to leave people with knuckles like raw meat.

I chose not to play those sorts of things. But yeah, if I had, I'd have lost.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 4:23 AM
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And the gender ratios aren't going to work in many people's favor.

There's only one of me, laydeez. Book your reservations early.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 4:42 AM
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Apo has one 15 second slot available at 6 pm. Do not fail to avoid missing out on disappointment!


Posted by: Nakku | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 4:56 AM
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EvPsych alert!!!

As a hunter, ancient man liked to make a quick kill then go home - and today, that's exactly how men like to shop. They know who they have to buy presents for, they probably have a vague idea of what to get, and they go out and buy all the presents in one go.

No agonising over whether Auntie Gladys will like that scarf, no deliberating over how much to spend on little James. If they possibly can, they also get the presents wrapped at the store. Problem solved.

Women, on the other hand, shop the same way as their ancient ancestors would gather food: heading off for the day with a group of other women to a place where someone remembered seeing some tasty things growing.


Posted by: Gaijin Biker | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 5:15 AM
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On the veldt, men needed to minimize exposure to Xmas carol muzak, lest they become unhinged.


Posted by: Nakku | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 5:17 AM
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85 - Directly south, you pedant! It's ok though, I know you're just snippy 'cos you're jealous.


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 5:42 AM
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funny, that's the exact same game armsmasher and i play almost every saturday night after we've gone out to a bar.


Posted by: catherine | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 6:19 AM
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That catherine is a tough wahoo. I'll bet she was a cool, new dorm girl.


Posted by: Will | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 6:21 AM
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i was! how'd you guess? webb.


Posted by: catherine | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 6:56 AM
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how'd you guess?

Will recently gained enlightenment. You can tell because his W turned capital.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 7:19 AM
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"enlightenment" is not a synonym for "arousal".


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 7:25 AM
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Next he can try to guess where I went to school.


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 7:27 AM
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"straight guys only no gay stuff"


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 7:31 AM
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I was thinking Caucasus, but that's just a guess.

I used to work with a guy who belonged to the Ady/ghe people (Circa/ssians). He was as ethnically chauvinistic as anyone I've ever met. He opined that the language his people spoke was essentially unpronounceable by non-native speakers, and after hearing a couple of common first names that he recited, I found that claim plausible.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 7:33 AM
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re: 100

When I studied phonology that was one of the languages we studied, actually, and we practiced saying some of the words. It has a lot of chained together consonants [in the way that Czech sometimes does] and a couple of odd sounds. So yeah, damn hard. Not impossible though, I'd bet.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 7:38 AM
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"Adyghe was written with the Arabic alphabet from 1918 to 1927. The Latin alphabet was used until 1938, and then the Cyrillic alphabet was adopted."

That seems very odd, though I'm no linguist.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 7:38 AM
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If there's any obscure mountain tribe that has a historical basis for being convinced that they are awesome for no good reason, it would be the Circassians.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 7:39 AM
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102: I believe that was the result of government policies.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 7:39 AM
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Apo, I hope you're happy being the master of the internets.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 7:41 AM
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re: 102

Those dates would fit quite well [particularly the 38 one] with political upheavals in the area, e.g. Stalin's consolidation of power.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 7:43 AM
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As a hunter, ancient man liked to make a quick kill then go home - and today, that's exactly how men like to shop.

When they got home, they would then spend forever in the jacks. This is why we have newspapers.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 7:46 AM
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What's odd is the latin interregnum; I'm sure Apo, who iirc studied the Soviet Union in college, understood the '38 shift.


Posted by: I don't pay | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 7:47 AM
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105: It was pleasant while it lasted, but I've abdicated the throne. Little childrens is wearing me right out.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 7:50 AM
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What's odd is the latin interregnum;

This would coincide roughly with Ataturk's conversion of Turkish from Arabic to Latin script. And since a lot of the Circassian diaspora is in Asia Minor, that would make sense that they got caught up in the same (highly coercive) wave. Just a hypothesis.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 7:51 AM
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Sifu, SP, if you guys are really considering coming, don't forget the mrh+BG Carpool Express. Road trip!


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 7:51 AM
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Yeah, I understood the switch to Cyrillic. The Latin is odd too, but given the starting date for the Arabic script, I assume that it was in a fourth alphabet prior to 1918. Four alphabets in less than 20 years is pretty tumultuous.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 7:53 AM
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less than


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 7:53 AM
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Four alphabets in less than 20 years is pretty tumultuous.

Speculatively: perhaps only a handful of people were literate anyway, so no biggie?


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 8:02 AM
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From sites like this one, as I far as I can gather it was not a written language before 1918.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 8:07 AM
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Ah.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 8:08 AM
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My friends and I used to play that game all the time, while drinking. The problem, of course, is that it invariably escalates, just as it did in the video.


Posted by: pdub | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 8:36 AM
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Isn't it kind of odd in the video that there seems to be an adult (the teacher?) instructing the kids how to go about things? I never saw that when I was in school.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 12:08 PM
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Holy smokes, this week's Thursday Styles really takes the cake.

Doesn't it! (It's this story.) Only the New York Times can pull of this trick of making me loathe the people being described and offended at the manner of the description in such equal measure and such nauseating panache.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 12:38 PM
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Just showed the article to C. His response: "Don't be ridiculous! Are these people Americans?"


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 3:43 PM
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WTF

I couldn't read past the phrase "ruining her body".

This bonus goes by various names. Some call it the "baby mama gift." Others refer to it as the "baby bauble." But it's most popularly known as the "push present."

Thank you, marketing department at some jewelry company, for making up 9/10 of this article and then sending out a press release. This is the part of the New York Times that actual reporters pretend doesn't exist, right?


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 3:48 PM
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Park Avenue's New Welfare Queens: Pumping Out Puppy After Puppy To Slake An Unquenchable Thirst For Diamond Earrings!


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 3:51 PM
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Some of the people quoted claim feminism with a perfectly straight face it seems; it's the sort of thing it means to them.


Posted by: I don't pay | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 3:53 PM
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Hey, "ruining her body" echoes rhetoric seen here among other places: context is all.


Posted by: I don't pay | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 3:54 PM
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Oh, my wife was sure to tell me about the presents her friends had received after the birth of their various and sundry offspring. The theme seemed to be diamonds for boys, pearls for girls. Very materialistic, very "every kiss begins with Kay" but it makes me think of this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ur2er-STls


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 4:18 PM
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I heard about this 10 years or so ago. Wife of an investment banker who worked with an I-banker relative of mine. She demanded loot from her husband for every child she delivered. Then again, she would occasionally demand loot from her husband for a variety of random acts. She wasn't a pleasant person. Then again, her husband valued her (initially) for her looks. What a pair.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 4:49 PM
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126: that's the kind of story that makes me wonder things like "Did she have any contact with her kids after they were born?", and "Where are they now?"


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 5:00 PM
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127. She did have two nannies for a while. She hired a nanny after the 1st kid was born. Then the second kid came along and she hired a nanny for that child. I believe they ended up with 3 or 4 kids, but maxed out at 2 FT nannies. Last I heard, a few years ago, they are still married. Takes all kinds I guess.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 5:06 PM
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I suppose there's an argument to be made that jewelry for childbirth is merely updating a traditional idea that women's wealth is kept in the form of jewelry (which is true). I guess if you're going to be a well-kept stay-home type wife, or even take "time off work" b/c of a baby, it's a way of ensuring *some* kind of compensation for it.

Personally, if I were gonna do it, I'd insist on a Roth IRA, but you know, if you can get jewelry that's worth more than $2000/year, I guess that's sensible.

(The flip side of "those women are revolting" is the serious argument that labor is, after all, labor; is there not a bit of the "mommies are priceless" pedestal-building in being so offended by this sort of thing?)


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 5:12 PM
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(Evidence in support of my parenthetical--the title of the piece itself.)


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 5:13 PM
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I thought about getting Roberta a Swiffer mop after Cassidy was born but then I figured, pshaw, it wasn't even a vaginal delivery. Some things must be earned.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 7:57 PM
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I was impressed by the degree to which I was revolted both by the women and the misogynist way they were portrayed. Excellent work, Styles section!


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 7:59 PM
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131: WTF is it with the Swiffer? I swear those things are impregnated with hormones.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 8:05 PM
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I swear those things are impregnated with hormones.

The smell of the Swiffer weirds me out.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 8:09 PM
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I think you're using it wrong, gswift.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 8:11 PM
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The swiffer is basically a more convenient dust mop. Which is a nice thing to have if you have hard floors and like to walk around barefoot.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 8:11 PM
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See, the Swiffer repulses gswift. Now I'm convinced.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 8:12 PM
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Seriously, the wet ones have a weird stench to them. Too many whiffs and I'll probably end up with Dan titties.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 8:13 PM
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138: sure, don't blame the steroids.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 8:14 PM
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The swiffer is basically a more convenient dust mop.

Oh, don't feign nonchalance. I've never come across anything so ridiculously appealing to so many women (apart from, you know, my dick)*.

*This parenthetical should be interpreted as preƫmptive or deliberately offensive according to the sensitivities of the reader.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 8:21 PM
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I have a (fairly house-proud, it must be said) gay friend who used his swiffer so much he broke the handle and, rather than give it up, continued to use it with the broken-off handle, bending over double to do so.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 8:23 PM
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so ridiculously appealing to so many women

Have you tried to buy a regular dust mop recently? They're hard to find. And it's nice to be able to combine the wet mop and dust mop chores into one, and to throw away the resulting ickiness rather than having to clean the damn mops. Plus the thing is quite lightweight and doesn't give you blisters.

That said, the disposable aspect of the swiffer does bother me.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 8:36 PM
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141: IFKWIM.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 8:37 PM
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If Fools Know What I'm Meanin'?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 8:39 PM
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I don't know Y.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 8:44 PM
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75: See also, mf-fun.

Also, comment 9 appeared 16 slots too early. That is all.


Posted by: Doug | Link to this comment | 12- 7-07 4:40 AM
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