Re: Update Me

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What don't you like about Outlook? That's what I always used when I had a PC.


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 5:14 PM
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My law firm uses Lotus Notes. It rocks!


Posted by: unf | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 5:14 PM
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Unf!


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 5:16 PM
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I think that settles the discussion: Lotus Notes.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 5:18 PM
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Have you considered turning your life over to Google? Palm Desktop can sync with Google calendar, and I imagine you can import your contacts into gmail. (I, personally, wouldn't do this, but it's an option.)


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 5:21 PM
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Although, if Google Calendar works with Google Gears, that would allay a lot of my concern (depending on exactly how it works).


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 5:26 PM
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Oh man. We used to use Lotus Notes when I first joined my company. I loved loved loved it. We had some of the most beautiful databases. Our bug tracking system was so elegant it would make you weep. Then we switched to Outlook/Exchange. Sigh.

The only problem with Notes is that everything is in a super-proprietary format that is a bitch to convert out of. I still have a bunch of old email in Notes mail databases that I'd love to convert into a more portable format. All of the conversion programs are geared towards companies doing a system-wide migration from Lotus to Exchange and would be a full weekend-long project and/or require shelling out megabucks.



Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 5:26 PM
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import your contacts into gmail.

Does anybody know how to delete a contact from Gmail? My quick glance through their settings/preferences didn't offer much help.


Posted by: Nopseudotoday | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 5:29 PM
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I still have a bunch of old email in Notes mail databases

I don't understand this. What is worth saving from years-old email? I can imagine having one or two important things (bank account passwords, etc.) that you could convert or just print out, but most of it has to be garbage.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 5:29 PM
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Some of us have friends that we correspond with, Brock.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 5:31 PM
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Does anybody know how to delete a contact from Gmail?

Just under the "Trash" folder/tag, you'll see Contacts. Click on that, click the check mark next to the contact you want to delete and look in the upper-rightish of the page for the Delete Contact button.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 5:32 PM
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Plus all those Papal encyclicals. It's important to keep records, so you can make sure you're really Catholic from time to time.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 5:32 PM
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9 - I have archives of every email I've sent/received since college. Most of it is junk but sometimes it's good to have. I like knowing it's there in case I need it.

The Notes stuff I'd particularly like to have in a better format because it includes all of my email from the months after September 11.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 5:33 PM
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We used Lotus Notes for project & problem management at my first job after moving to L.A. in the mid-nineties. I haven't seen anything that functional since. Someone put a lot of thought into designing our system.


Posted by: Biohazard | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 5:33 PM
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11 - thanks.

A little odd the way it tells you that deleting the contact "cannot be undone" but of course you can just choose to delete the contact, not all of their associated e-mails.


Posted by: Nopseudotoday | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 5:38 PM
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10/13: this strikes me a bizarre impulse. It's as if you're trying to preserve your life memories somehow.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 5:40 PM
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Nopseudotoday

Totally read this as nop-soo-DAH-teh-day.


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 5:44 PM
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I, too, have archives of all my mail evar. Good Lord, Brock, it's like you've never blackmailed anyone.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 5:48 PM
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Speaking of which, I do enjoy getting a can of Dinty Moore beef stew in the mail every day. Thanks, [redacted]!

See, I know ur seekritz but my tastes are modest.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 5:50 PM
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You're welcome.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 5:51 PM
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I am enjoying the process of turning my life over to Google, although being incredibly disorganized as I am, I'm not sure Google is really getting all that much out of it.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 6:51 PM
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The Notes stuff I'd particularly like to have in a better format because it includes all of my email from the months after September 11.

I recognize this sentiment. We e-mailers were at our best in that uncertain hour.


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 7:43 PM
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You know you've been looking at the internets too long when you look at the word "papal" four times and every time think it reads "paypal."


Posted by: m. leblanc | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 7:49 PM
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23: The paypal vestments are made of the purest spun silk, richly embroidered.

Also, my computer hates me and the feeling is mutual.


Posted by: Invisible Adjunct | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 8:10 PM
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16: Yeah, it's bizarre. It's a good thing would-be diarists had to wait for electronics to be invented otherwise we would be drowning in history.


Posted by: Biohazard | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 8:14 PM
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What I love about keeping all of my email is that insignificant messages can develop meaning over time. While people would surely think to keep love letters, who would think to keep that innocent first email you ever received for someone months or years before you fell for them? And to be able to forward a friend an email years later where they vented about this really obnoxious guy they met at a party, to whom they are now engaged? Stuff like that.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 8:29 PM
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26: but I only e-mailed you for the first time like a month ago, and I haven't even been to the party yet.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 8:32 PM
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That's crazy Becks. Most things were historically all forgotten memories for a reason. You're basically violating your own privacy.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 8:48 PM
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You're basically violating your own privacy.

He says *to the blogger*.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 8:51 PM
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More seriously, I wonder sometimes if my email is just much more boring than other people's. There's just nothing in there worth preserving.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 8:53 PM
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26: This, and also the many random people with whom you cross paths, and who sometimes expect you to remember (!) them. I find it tremendously reassuring to be able to go back and see when I communicated with somebody, and what was said or not said.


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 9:06 PM
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More seriously, I wonder sometimes if my email is just much more boring than other people's.

Mine is also pretty boring. I have my inbox set to delete anything older than a month. If I haven't dealt with it or saved it somewhere by then it wasn't that important, and I barely ever save anything elsewhere.


Posted by: CJB | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 9:19 PM
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I have kept a truly insane email from my mother, for reference those times when I'm thinking it's me.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 9:23 PM
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I keep most correspondence (even lowly Christmas cards). I mourn losing email from the 1980s and '90s. I like to look back at some things. Other things, I try not to look at but still I keep.

I think part of the reason I keep stuff is all those times I was researching papers (History undergrad and grad) and I ranted to myself about those idiots who throw things out. Just because you lead a boring life doesn't mean that it will be uninteresting to future historians. Grrrr.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 9:31 PM
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I keep most correspondence

Yeah, I'm bummed that my postal mail ratio is about 30:1 sent:received. I even love looking at old envelopes. Stamps used to cost fifteen cents! or I forgot that so-and-so was in Massachusetts that summer...


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 9:38 PM
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34: Exactly. I don't look back, but think about the poor scholars who will someday be desperate for my archives!


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 9:39 PM
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Drusilla remained forgetful.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 9:41 PM
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I find looking at old emails unbearably painful. I keep the important ones, but I doubt I'll ever be able to reread them.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 9:43 PM
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For example, I tucked a note from someone I once loved (and never dated) into my recipe book and ran across it last week. How horrible!


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 9:45 PM
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who would think to keep that innocent first email you ever received for someone months or years before you fell for them?

Me. "Email Day" is 9/23, "Voice Day" is 11/15, and so forth. Reflecting on that sort of event is a way of acknowledging the impact of the Butterfly Effect on one's life.


Posted by: Biohazard | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 9:48 PM
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I just remember the dates when they put out.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 9:49 PM
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39. Ow, that is painful. Even though I don't read soem of the old stuff—the embarrassment and other feelings can be very strong—I am glad I have them. They are like touchstones.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 9:49 PM
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You have now inspired me to go back and read all the very entertaining and awful email I exchanged in the distant and horrible past. Curses on you all.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 9:54 PM
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I don't save anybody's email, really, and I'm a little bit weirded out by the idea that anybody might be saving mine. God, what kind of nonsense have I been firing off into the ether?

I (naively and probably inaccurately and stupidly) think of email as transitory and impermanent. If you write me an old-fashioned snail mail letter (which nobody does anymore), I'll probably save it in a shoebox. If you send me an email, I'll probably let it take up space on my hard drive for a while, until the next time I clean up files or the the next time my computer crashes or whatever, and then I'll lose it forever.


Posted by: Invisible Adjunct | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 10:01 PM
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Evidence from 43 seems to show that I am totally neurotic when being flirted with, and extremely graceful when being dumped. I am also graceful when coming onto someone, and yet totally neurotic when dumping. Ugh. Wish I hadn't done that. Need about 10 more years before this is funny.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 10:04 PM
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I save all my paper mail that isn't in card form, unless there's something significant about the card.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 10:06 PM
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I only get paper mail from about three people, though.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 10:07 PM
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47: No bills?


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 10:13 PM
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Oh. I guess bills are paper mail. How about that.

I meant letters from humans.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 10:15 PM
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I can send you a bill. Then it'll be both.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 10:16 PM
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Ok.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 10:18 PM
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I'll send you paper mail, Ben. Send me your address.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 10:19 PM
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Done and done.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 10:22 PM
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I was about to tell you all the story of my lost/found old emails, but I think I've told it before.


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 10:24 PM
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I saved all my e-mails to my school address until my hard drive crashed toward the end of my senior year. I don't miss them. The same thing has happened to a lesser degree with various free webmail accounts I've had at various times.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 10:27 PM
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Scary sad stuff, actually: I have a fair amount of email correspondence I'd really like to keep for a long time, mostly developing relationships, but also ends, fleeting exchanges with acquaintances ... it'll all go unless I archive it somehow.

I don't think it's possible, actually, to archive it all in such a way that it doesn't have to be redone every 5 years or something.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 10:30 PM
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Somewhat on-topic, the new AIM feature in Google chat is both cool and kind of weird. I've had old high school and college friends chatting with me all night.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 10:30 PM
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lttr


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 10:35 PM
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Becks! I just found this great new system for organizing your life.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 10:56 PM
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It's the new Rick Rolling.


Posted by: Matt F | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 11:00 PM
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Obligatory.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12- 6-07 11:09 PM
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Thunderbird has a mostly crappy contacts list, but no crapper than the Palm organiser; and a decent calendar extension that synches with Google. I don't know what phone you use, but it synches with mine, so I could keep your calendar it would certainly work with any flash Sony Ericsson. This way I keep my phone and my Google calendar in synch which is really useful.

What I really miss is the ability to associate contacts with the correspondence/stories/projects they were involved with. Ecco Pro did that, but it is slowly dying, and never really handled email.


Posted by: Nworb Werdna | Link to this comment | 12- 7-07 12:40 AM
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I just noticed that my new laptop doesn't have a grounded plug. This makes me happy, as my parents' house doesn't have many grounded outlets. However, it makes me wonder -- why isn't that necessary anymore?


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 12- 7-07 11:49 AM
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63: Might be either because the laptop doesn't draw a lot of current, or the insulation of the power supply inside is designed well enough that you don't need to worry about a wire coming loose and electrifying an ungrounded part of the metal case.


Posted by: Matt F | Link to this comment | 12- 7-07 12:22 PM
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