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Professor George Fieldman, an evolutionary psychologist from Buckinghamshire Chilterns University College, said: "These findings seem to fit in with anecdotal studies and his explanations seem plausible."

Well then! Who needs science? I also here that black people on the veldt were dumb and that Jews on the veldt liked money.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 12-28-07 9:38 PM
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anecdotal studies

Love it.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 12-28-07 9:44 PM
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"The rational for why a woman's sex drive declines may be down to supply and demand. If something is in infinite supply, the perceived value would drop."

Evolutionary psychology + Econ 101 = transfinite stupidity.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 12-28-07 9:45 PM
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Well, after the evpsych types have gone up against the wall, we could blog about this. I'm still kind of speechless about it.


Posted by: Magpie | Link to this comment | 12-28-07 9:48 PM
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Yeah, why would it ask him to help if he just upgraded it? NOT CREDIBLE.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 12-28-07 9:51 PM
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"anecdotal studies", lol.

Someone quoted in the NYTimes year-end blurb article about the menstruating lap-dancer study said something like "It is unknown how this physiological phenomenon happens, and we have a few vague hypothesis, but we do have strong economic evidence for it."


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 12-28-07 9:51 PM
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As the saying goes, anecdotal studies show that 80% of the earth's closets are filled with my clothes. And the sample size is in the thousands, so you've got to take it seriously.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 12-28-07 9:55 PM
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They should also look into studying how much more annoying men get the longer you live with them.


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 12-28-07 10:02 PM
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My head asplode.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 12-28-07 10:20 PM
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Professor George Fieldman, an evolutionary psychologist from Buckinghamshire Chilterns University College, said: "These findings seem to fit in with anecdotal studies and his explanations seem plausible.

The lack of rigour here is breathtaking.
Does this stuff get published in Journals?


Posted by: WillieStyle | Link to this comment | 12-28-07 10:29 PM
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Professor George Fieldman, an evolutionary psychologist from Buckinghamshire Chilterns University College, said: "These findings seem to fit in with anecdotal studies and his explanations seem plausible.

Right, because all comments made when a reporter from the BBC calls you up should be peer reviewed before they leave your mouth.

It looks like the journal Human Nature exists, so if anyone actually a) cared and b) had JSTOR access, they could no doubt see if the study is being horribly misrepresented or not.


Posted by: water moccasin | Link to this comment | 12-28-07 10:36 PM
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I've been trying to find something besides this preposterous BBC post about this study, wondering if it could really be that stupid. Human Nature is now published by Springer, even though the link is to its previous owner, Transactions. No sign of it in the December issue, though.


Posted by: I don't pay | Link to this comment | 12-28-07 10:38 PM
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After reading Language Log's numerous take downs of BBC science reporting, I do wonder. I also wonder if this journal, like the BMJ and the CMAJ, runs humorous items in December.

Even so, that quote is such bullshit. Probably a friend of dquared's taking the piss.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 12-28-07 10:45 PM
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Paper available here.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 12-28-07 10:58 PM
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This adds further proof to my assertion that lab coats have taken the place of priestly robes in our society, with equally prescriptive results.

I know way too many women whose sex drives are (with much lament) much higher than their male partner's. I've come prepared with an alternative 'anecdotal study'. I've frequently heard European French men make comments about how "unnaturally" high Quebecois women's sex drives are, usually followed by a condemnation of some sort. How, then, can biological sex drives be location specific?


Posted by: Scizor Cyster | Link to this comment | 12-28-07 11:03 PM
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It's not the lab coats for the priestly robes, it's the, um, lawyer clothes? Whatever snappy term there is for suin' suits.

They speak in Latin incomprehensible to the laity, and they intercede for us with the powers that be when we really need justice/want to win the lottery.


Posted by: Mo MacArbie | Link to this comment | 12-28-07 11:53 PM
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Whatever snappy term there is for suin' suits.

Law suits.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 12-28-07 11:57 PM
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Wait, that was me.


Posted by: Matt F | Link to this comment | 12-28-07 11:58 PM
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The insanity has already begun! How many people are in that bed, anyway?


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 12:01 AM
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It's called the trinity, ogged.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 12:03 AM
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Three dudes, a confused inter-relation, and no sex? Sounds right.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 12:08 AM
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We're doing deviant things like...eating cookies in bed. The crumbs!


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 12:09 AM
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Matt just saw naked women and tits.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 12:10 AM
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naked women and tits

The sig says Armsmasher but the formulation says Teofilo.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 12:12 AM
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Can't you read?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 12:12 AM
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Get a mac!


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 12:13 AM
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The Chicago "meetup" is over. It consisted of all the non-Chicago people bailing like 5 minutes in, and then me, Kotsko, Mike, and Po-Mo hanging out like we could have done any old time!


Posted by: m. leblanc | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 1:01 AM
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Also: The study also revealed tenderness was important for women in a relationship.

D00d!!11!!


Posted by: Nworb Werdna | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 2:49 AM
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From the abstract we have this telling sentence:

Interpretations of the current results from social constructivism or from mainstream psychology are difficult to conceive.

This seems to be a variant of Argument from Personal Incredulity. And indeed the authors come somewhat clean in the concluding paragraph:

The evolutionary account of sexuality was formally the initial hypothesis of the paper. The argument still has a post-hoc feeling to it due to the lack of an alternative hypothesis - except for the null hypothesis against which it could be tested. Questions therefore remain ... whether alternative explanations are able to compete with an evolutionary account of sex-specific time courses in sexual motivation.

To me the hypothesis being tested should at most have been that there is a sex-specific difference in "time courses in sexual motivation". Only glanced through the model, so not sure if they really established that or not - nothing stood out as wrong, but I am not really familiar with the technique they used.

One little nugget that folks here may want to have fun with making their own Just So stories about is that supposedly sexual motivation did not slope downwards for females when their partners education level exceeded their own. Have fun, am off to count birds with my daughter.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 5:35 AM
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Evpsych always seems to start with the most misogynist premise possible. That's the first clue.


Posted by: bjk | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 6:23 AM
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a nice pic
anecdotal studies mean just few, like in sporadic
not funny or jokingful, if it troubles you
deep observation, in my opinion
and the trend is complete with divorse at the 7th yr of marriage according to statistics


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 6:25 AM
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the
hm, a and the articles are so #$% i keep omitting those


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 6:38 AM
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So this dismal phenomenon (us unloved long-married dudes can't get nothing nohow) is explained by evolutionary psychology, which means that the motivation is not only subconscious but instinct determined by our genes. And at the same time the same phenomenon is explained by the economic theory of supply-and-demand, which requires not just conscious awareness in the actors but consciousness informed by perfect information and completely rational judgment.


Posted by: W. Kiernan | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 6:42 AM
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I completely failed at meetup, dragging Snark down with me. Carrying on the grand new tradition of defaulting on account of bodily failure, I pretty much immediately succumbed to a migraine the moment we arrived. Very sad: everyone seemed very cool and I hope I get a chance to interact with them again sometime when my skull is not disintegrating.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 8:22 AM
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On the African veldt, weaker and sicker academics fell to the back of the herd and fell victim to predators because they were unable to get jobs in proper universities. It was only with the invention of farming and the beginnings of modern society that institutions like "Buckinghamshire Chilterns University College" have been created. There are many people who believe that this reduction in selection pressure is leading to a gradual worsening of the genetic material in evolutionary psychology.


Posted by: dsquared | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 9:30 AM
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i like to call my veldt steppe
and if the selection pressure dissatisfies you
i can quit trying to socialize anytime
racism won


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 9:46 AM
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Buckingham Chilterns University College does not have the status of Oxford or Cambridge -- yet. But Oxford and Cambridge have centuries of glorious tradition behind them and must struggle mightily (and often unsuccessfully) to be worthy of their pasts, whereas Buckingham Chilterns' great days are entirely in the future.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 9:49 AM
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I dunno, it might have a glorious history as High Wycombe Polytechnic or something.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 9:54 AM
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This line was funny:

Interpretations of the current results from social constructivism or from mainstream psychology are difficult to conceive.

Uh, yeah, I just can't conceive of any possible explanations other than the cuckoldry/pair-bonding thing.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 10:11 AM
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"The rational for why a woman's sex drive declines may be down to supply and demand. If something is in infinite supply, the perceived value would drop."

Just basic pie theory. My sister in law well knows that if she produced infinite pie, people would use her fine pie to slop pigs (as they did in the USSR with subsidized bread). She can only produce so many top pies in a week, and none of her lackeys can quite get the crust right.

That's her story, anyway.

She hates making pie, too. She just does it for money. The best pie in the world, Bipartisan Cafe, 79th and SE Stark, Portland OR.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 10:22 AM
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My brother, of course, is shamed by having to sell his wife's scarce pie to make a living, but you gotta do what you gotta do.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 10:26 AM
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Rather than infinite pie, she produces about 3.1416 pies per day. That's the ideal female pie production.

Where the fuck is everyone?


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 10:41 AM
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Emerson, you nasty, nasty man!

I wish we had better pie in Mpls. though. The only really intense pies are from that Taste of Scandinavia place, and they laden everything down with pounds of sugar (which, coming from me, is saying something.) Most of the other pie around here is for shit. Them Norske Nook pies from Osceola are okay, but who wants to drive way into Wisconsin just for pie? And you can't even get good doughnoughts around here anymore either! Standards are slipping.


Posted by: minneapolitan | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 10:41 AM
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Pie seems to be a disappearing art. Sara Lee pies are cheaper and make people dislike pie. Gresham's law, I guess.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 10:43 AM
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Graham's law, more like.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 10:48 AM
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It's Burke's Law!


Posted by: minneapolitan | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 10:51 AM
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i should not spoil people's holidays
though doubt that them like even care
should always mediate before writing something when irritated purposefully or not
dsquared you are forgiven not for what you said and meant or what i thought you meant
just in holiday spirits, cheers


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 10:51 AM
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Emerson, you're in DC. Go to the Smithsonian or mug some Republicans or something.


Posted by: Magpie | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 10:51 AM
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+t


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 10:52 AM
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Emerson, the plan was that at 1300 people would meet Armsmasher at Bunshaft's Bunker. That's where they are.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 10:54 AM
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I've been impressed so far mostly by the American Empire's vast quantities of brick and concrete. This is not a flimsy structure.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 10:54 AM
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43: The Wuollett's on Grand in St. Paul has good donuts. Nothing beats my dear, departed Melo Glaze in South MInneapolis, but Wuollet's comes pretty close.

Pie--yeah, there's no good pie.


Posted by: Chopper | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 10:57 AM
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There was a cult in Montana that had a restaurant just north of yellowstone, and made absolutely great pie. Ethereal harp music on the PA, serene and fulfilled wait staff, fantastic pie: a good recruiting environment.


Posted by: Nápi | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 10:58 AM
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Probably missed it.

DC internet cafes (n=1) don't have plugs for chargers. I'm dwindling before your eyes.

I mean, third world countries are mostly concrete-deprived, building little toy buildings out of bamboo and water buffalo droppings. They must find our vast supplies concrete of utterly intimidating.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 10:58 AM
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My Sil may be the last non-cult piemaker in the US. Pie takes a lot out of you. She's a good sport, but it's terribly wearing. (Not a joke).


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 11:00 AM
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Can you still get email? Come over to Enemy Territory -- we can go glare at Alex Hamilton, and then at That Man.


Posted by: Nápi | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 11:01 AM
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I'm sure you can find them at the museum, John. It isn't very big and the Mineshafters are hard to miss. Just don't ask the guards if they want to sex Mutombo.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 11:04 AM
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Yeah, I'm at 27%.

Where is E.T.? I have no concept of DC at all, though the alphabetical street system and the NSEW quadrants help.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 11:05 AM
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If they hadn't blocked Tesla, we wouldn't need electrical outlets.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 11:07 AM
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It's funny, but living in the provinces you lose your sense of the intimidating weight of The Government. You feel left out and isolated, but have no idea how enormous the Other is. I'm reminded of a trip a group of Sioux leaders were taken on after one of their rebellions (pre Little Big Horn.) When they returned to their homseland they became a peace party, because they now realized the immensity of their adversary.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 11:08 AM
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From a sample of one: my sex drive did plummet rapidly between the ages of 26 and 30, but my husband and I had no kids and split the housework. OTOH, my sex drive showed a similar drop two years into my previous major relationship. So I think I'm just one of those people with a short attention -- pie? Hey, what kind of pie?


Posted by: Jen | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 11:11 AM
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John, Nápi referneced email. Perhaps he sent you the secret directions that way. Or maybe he thinks you have his eddress. My guess is he wants to meet over by the Treasury department and the Executive mansion.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 11:12 AM
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Trust no one, John.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 11:14 AM
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I think that I answered Napi under a different name.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 11:19 AM
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I think that I answered Napi under a different name.

Ah, I see you're getting into the spirit of the city. Be ready with your signs and counter-signs. This is a heart of the beast. (The beast does have multiple hearts.)


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 11:22 AM
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15: Perhaps Quebecoises (sp?) should organize seminars for the relatively pie-deprived ladies of the rest of America, and perhaps also France.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 11:23 AM
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Emerson, are you still there? Wait a few minutes if so.

BTW, folks, "Modern Love" this week is the bestest, cutest, most moving one ever. Actually maybe the only moving one ever, unless you count disgust as emotion.


Posted by: marcus | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 11:29 AM
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I'm down the street at Zack's in the bar. Hope you see this. I'll keep an eye out.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 11:30 AM
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64 -- You did, John. And 62 shows a correct understanding of "Enemy Territory."


Posted by: Nápi | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 11:31 AM
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Democratic Headquarters!


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 11:35 AM
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Democratic Headquarters!

Bwahahahaha


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 11:37 AM
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Yay, Knecht.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 11:38 AM
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Will, as the emir says, there's the near enemy and then there's the far enemy.


Posted by: Nápi | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 11:38 AM
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There's a bar called Zack's near my house?


Posted by: marcus | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 11:40 AM
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Next to "Cosi" on the same street as the Starbuck's.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 11:47 AM
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Blume and I are heading towards DuPont circle; anybody near there?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 12:06 PM
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Say, while we're all idling about except for the folks in the other thread who are having sex with w-lfs-n (and perhaps that's over by now), I should tell you that I dreamed last night about attending a talk given by dsquared. It was a peacenik talk in a large church, quite a good talk, really; dsquared raised some new points (I've forgotten them now I'm afraid) about the petroleum economy and then showed some absolutely heart-wrenching footage of dirigibles being shot down during the first Gulf War. He also had a really funny joke about turning water into wine and then into petroleum. His co-speaker, John Zerzan, was a much nicer and funnier fellow than I had thought, and kept shouting "where are all the punks?" I was a bit surprised to see Zerzan and dsquared on the same platform, and even more surprised that dsquared had grown a long grey beard and side whiskers. I thought about going up and introducing myself after the talk, but there were too many people.


Posted by: Frowner | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 12:12 PM
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Hey, anybody know what's going on on 14th street by the mall in DC? "Police activity" isn't very descriptive.


Posted by: Nápi | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 12:24 PM
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It seems to be on Penn.


Posted by: Nápi | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 12:27 PM
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78. I dunno. I just heard it on the radio (14th closed btw Penn and Const.) and thought that Emerson must have been on his way over to ET.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 12:28 PM
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What time are folks going to Sette?


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 12:29 PM
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Blume and I are at this bar near DuPont circle called Lucky Bar.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 12:54 PM
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It seems to be on Penn.

The 1500 block of Pennsylvania Avenue...now what's near there again...


Posted by: Matt F | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 1:00 PM
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For as often as my name appears in-thread, I wasn't ever in that bed.


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 12-29-07 1:48 PM
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