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I have been on a similar search myself, since the onest of winter means I am going to alternate between normal itching and breaking out in hives for until June, when I probably will sunburn.

Cetaphil? Really?


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 12:51 PM
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It rules, and one can buy it in monster tubs at Costco.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 12:53 PM
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Are you talking about the cleanser or some sort of moisturizer? My favorite basic moisturizer is Kiehl's Ultra Facial Moisturizer. (Love their lip balm too).

I recently tried their Grooming Aid Formula 133 as an alternative to Aveda's Elixir, because Kiehl's silk groom was too heavy.

Another oldy but goody: Infusium leave-in treatment. It's a liquid that you can put on after shampooing and conditioning, but a little bit on dry frizzy hair does wonders.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 12:58 PM
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1 & 2 -- I've been using the kind that comes in the 3 oz. tube, which I think may be a bit creamier so I can't speak to the somewhat thinner kind you get in the bigger pump containers yet but Dooce gives it a thumbs up.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 12:59 PM
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I looove Infusium.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 1:00 PM
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yeah but it's the exact color and consistency of semen. I just can't bring myself to wipe that all over my face every day. (I assume you're talking about the vaunted face wash, and not the moisturizer)


Posted by: hallie flanagan | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 1:00 PM
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6 - That's exactly what Dooce says, too. Try the creamier kind! (I'm talking about the moisturizer. I haven't tried their other stuff yet, but sure will if it's anything like this.)


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 1:01 PM
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No more masturbating on Hallie Flanagan.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 1:03 PM
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In stupid Internet Explorer the comments are not showing up on the side bar. I seem to have gotten the hideous cold that m. leblanc got. My throat hurt like hell. I'm all sleepy and shit--too worn out to read anything serious. Anybody have a favorite cold remedy? I should go to the independent natural foods store to get some oil of oregano, but I don't know that I believe in a lot of that stuff, despite (or perhaps because of) having worked in the industry.

I have job/ networking e-mails to send, and I'm afraid that there will be a ton of typos and that I'll just be incoherent. Drug recommendations anyone?


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 1:03 PM
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I had to start using moisturizer when I started swimming, and I've been very happy with Nature's Gate's fragrance-free lotion. The fragrance-free part was a big draw.

In other news, Labs is gay.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 1:09 PM
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8 - Well, she's been dead since 1969.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 1:18 PM
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Cetaphil face wash really is too much like semen, and leaves some kind of weird semeny film on my skin. The moisturizer is very good, though. When I require really really serious winter moisturizing, I use Aquaphor, which is kind of a magical superior Vaseline -- I realize that sounds horrible, and I don't like to use it unless I'm really really dry, but it works wonders, a little goes a long way, and it never breaks me out.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 1:21 PM
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9: I usually make chicken soup doused liberally with cayenne pepper, drink a ton of grapefruit juice and herbal tea, and use a lot of Vicks vaporub.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 1:21 PM
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(Aquaphor is another one of those supremely unfancy dermatologist brands.)


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 1:22 PM
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BG, if you have what I have, it's a serious bacterial infection, one that probably should have sent me to the ER (my doctor was like ummm... you need some steroids, so you can breathe properly). So I hope you don't have what I had, but if you do, get thee to a doctor, man.

I love steroids.


Posted by: m. leblanc | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 1:25 PM
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Mmmm, steroids! Are you having the delightful experience where all kinds of joint aches you didn't realize you had are taking a vacation?


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 1:26 PM
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Oh man, that would suck. I can't see my primary care doctor until I get put on the appropriate health plan. Right now I qualify for something, but for non-specialty care they'd push me to see someone at a community clinic--even though I have a nice attending at a hospital as my primary care doctor. Waiting on stupid paperwork to see whether I qualify for one plan based on income or another plan based on income and medical history. In the meantime, I can see specialists but not my primary care doctor. There is, of course, the ER...Such a waste. Still, I think it's just a cold. How did you find out what was wrong? And I hope that you're doing better.

I think that I may mak emy way to Trader Joe's to pick up some chicken soup and cayenne pepper. Apo had a recommendation in the thread for ogged that I'm going to check out.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 1:31 PM
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Moisturizer is for the weak.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 1:34 PM
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I have job/ networking e-mails to send, and I'm afraid that there will be a ton of typos and that I'll just be incoherent. Drug recommendations anyone?

Meth.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 1:34 PM
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Anybody have a favorite cold remedy?

I had a nasty cold last summer, and Russian friend came over and made me drink vodka with honey and pepper.

I got better, but I think it was out of fear that he'd make me drink that vile concoction again.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 1:42 PM
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17: The clinic would at least be able to tell you whether or not it's bacterial and whether meds would help.

18: The weak and well-ointmented. This winter's been particularly bad for me, to the point where we're suspecting that maybe there's something wrong with the water in our building like too much chlorine. At least my doctor gave me Zyrtec, which makes me a little stupid but controls bad hive-like outbreaks.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 1:45 PM
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My parents used to swear by gargling with myrrh and water, where you break open the capsule and pour out the nasty-smelling myrrh into the water and then try not to gag. I think it works along the lines of Blume's 20. You can also gargle with apple cider vinegar in water or salt water.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 1:47 PM
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gargling with myrrh

Myrrh is real? I always thought it only existed in stories, like unicorns or huckleberries.


Posted by: Matt F | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 1:50 PM
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Or deep vein thrombosis.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 1:53 PM
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Also, huckleberries are completely real and totally delicious. Had I known you were skeptical, I would have brought you down some of the huckleberry cordials my aunt from Montana sent me.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 1:55 PM
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Also mythical: Montana.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 1:57 PM
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23 -- I'm shocked, shocked that you'd think huckleberries mythical. Becks understates in 25 how good they are. Huckleberry pie is among the best evidence there is for the existence of God. Huckleberry brownies are great, and, now that I think about it, I have some huckleberry lip balm in my desk drawer. Mmmm.


Posted by: Nápi | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 1:58 PM
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26 -- So says the Man of Enchantment.


Posted by: Nápi | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 1:59 PM
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Also delicious: huckleberry honey.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 2:00 PM
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hallie flanagan did not enjoy facials.


Posted by: asl | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 2:03 PM
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28: Indeed. Watch me make whole states disappear.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 2:04 PM
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21: I get hivey when too dry too. I'm an Allegra + slather with lotion within 5 minutes of getting out of the shower practitioner. In October I had a scary brush with dermatographia where my torso looked like it was mauled by a lion -- but I was the lion!


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 2:06 PM
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There are also huckleberry pancakes, and huckleberry ice cream to be considered. And eaten.

For all the talk of huckleberries, I'm heading east tomorrow morning, instead. I'm requested to bring frankincense -- apparently easy to find in the souks in Old Sana'a -- and can bring extra, if anyone is interested.* I don't know of its use as a cold remedy, but I had a housemate in the late 70s who swore by its hallucinogenic properties. On a related note, should I try qat?

* Drop me a line.


Posted by: Nápi | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 2:09 PM
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33: Just say yes to qat, Nápi!


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 2:12 PM
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33: Oh, and, Sana'a sounded extremely cool in the Times Travel section the other day.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 2:12 PM
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We have met the lion, and he is us.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 2:13 PM
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Apo had a recommendation in the thread for ogged that I'm going to check out.

I think my only recommendation was marijuana, but I stand by it.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 2:18 PM
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* Drop me a line.

I'm not in the mood for frankincense right now, but if I did want to drop you a line, what's the best way to do it. Feel free to e-mail me, if you don't want to publish your e-mail here.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 2:20 PM
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* Drop me a line.

I'm not in the mood for frankincense right now, but if I did want to drop you a line, what's the best way to do it. Feel free to e-mail me, if you don't want to publish your e-mail here.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 2:20 PM
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No, apo, in the "Ummm" thread, you suggested Dayquil. I was always a sudafed girl, but I don't liek having to show ID to get cold medicine. Contac and Comtrex are also ok, but I think that I'll try teh DayQuil with some vaporub and chicken soup with cayenne pepper.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 2:21 PM
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qat

Is this the same as khat?


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 2:23 PM
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Oh yeah, DayQuil. It makes cigarettes taste great.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 2:23 PM
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Sorry about the double post. Preview was not my friend in this instance.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 2:23 PM
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Is this the same as khat?

Yes.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 2:23 PM
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42: How does Dayquil make cigarettes taste great? I think cigarettes are pretty foul, so this would be a tall order, as far as I'm concerned.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 2:24 PM
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DayQuil used to contain pseudoephedrine, the same stuff in Sudafed, but they removed it and replaced it with phenylephrine, which is crap.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 2:26 PM
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45: This is a phenomenon with other liquids as well. Is it saccharine? When you drag on the cigarette, the smoke gains a super sweet flavor on the tongue.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 2:27 PM
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I know that they removed teh pseudophedrine. What's wrong with phenylephrine? Hurry up please, cause the library's going to close soon.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 2:28 PM
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How does Dayquil make cigarettes taste great?

Works with any speedy drug, really.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 2:30 PM
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48 - Basically, it doesn't work. More and more studies are showing that it's no better than a placebo. There are some links to the studies from the Wikipedia page:

Pharmacists Leslie Hendeles and Randy Hatton of the University of Florida suggested in 2006 that oral phenylephrine is ineffective as a decongestant at the 10 mg dose used, arguing that the studies used for the regulatory approval of the drug in the United States in 1976 were inadequate to prove effectiveness at the 10 mg dose and safety at higher doses. [3] Other pharmacists have expressed concerns over phenylephrine's effectiveness as a nasal decongestant [1] and other clinicians have indicated concern for regulatory actions that reduce the availability of pseudoephedrine. [4] [5] A subsequent metaanalysis by the same researchers concluded that there is insufficient evidence for its effectiveness. [6] The matter is still under debate, though the Food and Drug Administration has stood by its 1976 approval. [2]

Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 2:32 PM
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phenylephrine makes some crappy damn meth.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 2:34 PM
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I feel more and more like I'm losing the battle against this cold I'm fighting off. A couple of hours ago, I was all energetic and going to go to the National Gallery of Art. By the time I got to the metro, I felt like I was going to die and turned around and went home. Now I'm on my computer in bed.

Also, if Witt's reading, god bless her. She gave us a Hangover Kit at UnfoggeDCon as a hostess gift, full of water and medicine and candies and stuff and I've been making my way through it in my sickbed.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 2:37 PM
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Don't want to make no meth, Sifu.

I'm not that congested, just feeling run down, coughing with a bad sore throat and maybe a bit of nasal drip.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 2:38 PM
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I need to buy some lotion. Last month I woke up and my right leg was covered in blood because I'd scratched my shin with my left besocked foot while I slept. My skin is not a sufficient barrier against moisture-sapping weather, it seems.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 2:38 PM
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I need to buy some lotion.

I have lotion. What I need is a young Polynesian boy to rub it on me.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 2:40 PM
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You people and your colds. Suck it up! Tough it out! Get on a plane, maybe!


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 2:41 PM
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Hangover Kit

Yay! Glad you're finding it useful. (But I'm sorry you're sick.)

I'm not sick, unless you count a major case of laryngitis. Entertainingly, I was still able to croak out an interview yesterday for work, and the reporter, bless her heart, actually got some quotes out of it. Poor woman.


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 2:43 PM
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56 gets it exactly right.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 2:43 PM
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Get on a plane, maybe!

For a Mexican, Ogged sure uses some Yiddish-sounding English.


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 2:46 PM
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For moisturizing, a good old-fashioned humidifier can work wonders. Of course, I have forced hot air heating here, and cringe every time it kicks in. The last couple of days of temperatures in the teens have occasioned an entertaining battle of heat versus humidifier. As a result, of course I'm sick as well.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 3:01 PM
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BG -- You sent me an email last week, based on the old identity. I'll send you a reply.

I meant it folks, and should have added that the line ought to be dropped, if one so inclines, by 9 am tomorrow.

OT -- Driving home just now, I listened to 20 minutes of a Hillary speech from this morning in NH. She was really good. She's not going down without a fight, but I was especially heartened by the form of the fight: trying to put forth a yet more appealing policy vision. I'm hoping she doesn't win, but it's great to hear her going after GWB, and not BHO.


Posted by: Nápi | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 3:05 PM
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I love pseudoephedrine. Discovering its effects on my allergy symptoms changed my life.


Posted by: Adam Kotsko | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 3:06 PM
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Suck it up! Tough it out! Get on a plane, maybe!

I did get on a plane this weekend, motherfucker.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 3:06 PM
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And how did that work out for you, Becksy?


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 3:09 PM
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After a night of drinking, with no headache remedies in the house but cold medicine, I discovered how great pseudoephedrine is for hangovers, too. The headache and the hangover malaise are gone. And hey, I think I'll clean the entire house!


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 3:12 PM
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Forgot pseudoephedrine. Straight up ephedrine, mixed with plenty of whiskey? Cure for what ails ya, assuming what ails ya is an excess of good sense and inhibitions.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 3:14 PM
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Adderall, my good people.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 3:18 PM
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Qat would probably work too, but it's a controlled substance in the US.


Posted by: Nápi | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 3:19 PM
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Cure for what ails ya, assuming what ails ya is an excess of good sense and inhibitions.

Sometimes it is, you know.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 3:22 PM
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68: Really? I had the vague notion that it was basically under the radar, and largely unregulated.


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 3:22 PM
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70: Too lazy to look it up, but I feel like the cops in NYC just busted a diplomat bringing it in in diplomatic pouches.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 3:25 PM
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70 -- Nope.

And Witt, I have an idea -- not related to qat or frankincense -- can you send me an email?


Posted by: Nápi | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 3:33 PM
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72 - yes, should I use the Yahoo account on your Flickr profile?


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 3:39 PM
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DayQuil, back when it contained the fun stuff, reliably made me mildly crazy. Heart racing, couldn't sleep, with all the resulting mental fun.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 3:42 PM
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That's fine. old pseud at gmail dot com is good too.


Posted by: Nápi | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 3:42 PM
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The fragrance-free part was a big draw.

We are to believe that it contains significant amounts of "Aloe Vera, Extracts of Coffee and Wild Pansy, Safflower Oil & Organic Jojoba Oil", and yet the lotion is free of fragrance. How does that work?


Posted by: Invisible Adjunct | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 3:48 PM
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It is not void of odor, my dear humanities person, but free of chemicals added for the sake of their smell. Even so, it has a very mild smell that dissipates quickly.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 3:51 PM
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CETAPHIL + A = CALIPHATE


Posted by: Mr. F | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 4:19 PM
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For a Mexican, Ogged sure uses some Yiddish-sounding English.

Probably from Nuevo Leon.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 4:44 PM
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I'm your huckleberry.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 4:56 PM
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It is not void of odor, my dear humanities person, but free of chemicals added for the sake of their smell.

I did not know this. Are there actual standards for these kinds of claims, or can any product be labelled "fragrance-free"?

I am sceptical of "natural" and "botanical" products. But I'm just a humble humanities person.


Posted by: Invisible Adjunct | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 6:08 PM
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Sephardim don't speak Yiddish.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 6:10 PM
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Or so the mullahs would have you believe.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 6:12 PM
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Are there actual standards for these kinds of claims, or can any product be labelled "fragrance-free"?

Search for "fragrance-free" on this page, IA.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 6:15 PM
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Thanks! I searched and found what I was looking for: a confirmation of my suspicion that there's no actual standard behind the "fragrance-free" claim. I also learned that "serious injury from makeup is a 'pretty rare event'".


Posted by: Invisible Adjunct | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 6:26 PM
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Apparently there is also no standard for the word "real" in food labelling -- hence Kraft is able to claim that their famous Kraft Macaroni and Cheese includes "real" cheese.


Posted by: Adam Kotsko | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 6:35 PM
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79: Thanks for that horrifying bit of history, Teo. I didn't know about that.


Posted by: Penny | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 6:39 PM
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IA, it just means it's not stinky on your face, so you don't have to smell it all day long.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 6:44 PM
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Is everyone bookmarking 88?


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 6:47 PM
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6 to 88.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 6:50 PM
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Priorities, people.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 6:52 PM
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86: I think the standard for use of the word "real" is that, if it appears, it is clearly teetering between being food and not being food and you have been warned.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 6:54 PM
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What a bunch of dweebs! "Real?" "Real" you say? What do you mean by that, "real"? I should like to see a definition, a standard, please, so that I might know what to make of this word "real"!

(Actually, I'd love to see the advent of the term "reel" -- it's not such a stretch.)


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 7:03 PM
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Unfogged - for slightly illegal drug hookups!


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 7:06 PM
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2 to 68.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 7:12 PM
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Ok, let me try this without actually checking the comments.

9 to 37.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 7:14 PM
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Hey, that kinda works!


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 7:15 PM
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71 to 26.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 7:15 PM
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Doesn't really work.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 7:15 PM
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2 also to 29, 37, 86, and obviously 88.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 7:16 PM
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99, it depends on what part of Montana was being smuggled.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 7:17 PM
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92: Similarly, if it says it's "classy," it probably isn't.

88 finally explains it in language I can understand.


Posted by: Invisible Adjunct | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 7:25 PM
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102.2 is making me laugh.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 7:33 PM
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And we thought IA was uptight.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 7:33 PM
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Real fact:

My grandfather was a toxicologist for the FDA who banned red lipstick.


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 7:35 PM
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To my knowledge, he did not address any issues with chronic toxicology related to comment 6 or 12.


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 7:36 PM
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And we thought IA was uptight.

You did? Well, this is what I get for commenting at a "sex-positive" blog, I guess. (I dare anyone to say "sex-positive" with a straight face).


Posted by: Invisible Adjunct | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 7:45 PM
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I'm not sure anyone here is having sex, IA.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 7:51 PM
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Sex-wishful, maybe.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 7:51 PM
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My grandfather was a toxicologist for the FDA who banned red lipstick.

You mean Red Dye #2? Without knowing anything about it myself, I've heard that this decision is widely thought to have been overly hasty nad made in reliance on pretty weak evidence.

if it says it's "classy," it probably isn't

Same applies to "quality" (when used as an adjective), "exclusive", and (usually) "luxurious".


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 7:54 PM
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why i wonder specifically red lipstick?
not any other colour
my best friend exclusively uses only orange ones
here i found nice pics for parsimon
good night


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 7:55 PM
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why i wonder specifically red lipstick?

The dye used to make it (amaranth) was suspected of causing cancer (stomach tumors, I believe) in laboratory animals.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 7:59 PM
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IA took the words outta my mouth: I'd written "We did?" but it was too absurd.

Sex-positive blog WHAT? Just a post about facial moisturizers, with detours about various forms of ephedrine, and hives. People are shy about these things.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 8:00 PM
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111:

Nice picture, read. Thanks. You might like some of the things I have on my flickr page, but you'd have to email me.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 8:06 PM
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Yeah, just a post about facial moisturizers, where a well-known brand of face wash is likenend to...Oh, well, I guess I am a bit uptight.

I use Cetaphil face wash and Neutrogena moisturizer. I should probably use something with a higher SPF, especially since my mother (born and bred in Canada, and having spent no time at all in the tropics) got (nonmelanoma) skin cancer. She's fine, but she had to have something removed and she now has to be very careful.


Posted by: Invisible Adjunct | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 8:13 PM
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where a well-known brand of face wash is likenend to...

That's Unfogged being 12 years old. Or 16. Or subjecting itself to, or propagating, the pronification of daily life. It has nothing to do with true uptightness or lack thereof.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 8:24 PM
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I'm 11, thanks.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 8:27 PM
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"Amaranth" certainly sounds suspicious.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 8:29 PM
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I thought you were 8.


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where a well-known brand of face wash is likenend to...

Have you seen the stuff? It's not a postulate that it looks like semen. It looks like semen. That said, I'm comfortable enough with my heterosexuality to use it.


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 8:33 PM
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Hey, let's talk about some of the differences between American and British labelling on various and sundry personal grooming products. For example, in the UK you can buy shampoo for "greasy" hair. I have never seen such a label in the US, where similarly textured hair is invariably described as "oily".


Posted by: Invisible Adjunct | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 8:42 PM
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I'll third or fourth or __th that sentiment in 120. I used Cetaphil for quite a while, but just switched to the Clinique face wash. I'm not sure that it's better; I think it just makes me feel grown-up to have a skincare regimen of semi-expensive matching products.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 8:43 PM
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I don't think a speaker of US English would admit to having "greasy" hair. It sounds about as appealing as "scuzzy" hair.

Also, racists will associate "greasy" with Mexicans, and no marketer wants to lose the all important racist demographic.


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122: I can't argue with the results, because you look like Audrey Hepburn. But is it really worth the extra money for Clinique, I can't help but wonder?


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I buy really expensive facial cleanser, but I use it sparingly, so it lasts a good eight months or so.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 8:52 PM
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And any good cleanser has a semenic texture. Means it's non-detergent, which is good.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 8:54 PM
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Probably not worth the extra money, at least not for the cleanser and toner. But I do like their moisturizer.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 8:54 PM
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I'd never buy facial cleanser at the store. I just make my own semen at home.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 9:00 PM
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I forgot my moisturizer when I went to Australia and bought a bottle over there. I asked why it wasn't labeled as SPF 15 like in the States and was told that the Australians (who are very concerned about skin cancer) run their own tests on products claiming to have sun protection and most US products don't pass their tests and have to be relabeled without the SPF claims to be sold there.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 9:03 PM
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Conclusion: stay out of the sun. Buy semen-consistency facial cleansers.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 9:10 PM
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128: Sifu Tweety is all about thinking globally while acting locally.

True what Becks says about US sunscreen. I buy Canadian sunscreen, which has ingredients that have yet to meet with FDA approval. Of course, those ingredients may turn out to cause other kinds of cancer...but most US sunscreens really don't do much to protect against skin cancer.


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I'd never buy facial cleanser at the store. I just make my own semen at home.

Explains why you take so long in the shower.


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 9:20 PM
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I think it just makes me feel grown-up to have a skincare regimen of semi-expensive matching products.

What follows is only loosely "inspired by", as they say in movie trailers, this thread and the quoted matter above, but not so loosely as to be completely unmeet.

I was given two days ago a safety razor, the being given having pleased, and the razor itself currently pleasing, me mightily, as in fact some among you may already know, me being somewhat unable to shut my yap in this regard. Of course the whole thing tickles my sense of anachronism or whatever (not to mention they're only about a trillion times more aesthetically appealing than whatever fivefold motorized things the rest of you louts use), and this item has the advantage, like my watch and sealing wax but unlike, say, my cane, that I will actually use it, and indeed have already done so, and the further advantage that it's a plain invitation to make additional investments in the same vein. So to speak. I even used to have a badger-bristle brush, which I appear to have misplaced, though never, to my knowledge, shaving soap in one of those little bowls. Though my father did, as I recall, and possibly still does—but something that I'm not sure I knew came out today when I told him of my gift, knowing that he would be interested. A safety razor, he said, is "a lot easier to use than a straight razor", and I, concurring (albeit theoretically), raised the same point that extremely early arrivals to udcon2 may have witnessed: to wit, I cannot frame how a (WLOG) right-handed person might shave the right side of his face with a straight razor. He responded “I found it absolutely impossible. And I don't have a valet.”.

As I say, I'm not sure that I didn't already know that he used to use, or used to attempt to use, a straight razor, but I was surprised to read of it, especially since not a week and a half ago we had been talking about when he used to take his snake for walks.

Geo. Trumper does in fact sell straight razors, and presumably not only to barbers or people with valets, so it must be possible. But it seems as if it would be awkward.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 9:31 PM
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Clearly piggy-backing on Sweeny Todd mania.


Posted by: Sharkey | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 9:34 PM
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That charge can't plausibly be levelled at any entity named in 134, you gormless buffoon, you.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 9:35 PM
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the being given having pleased... me mightily

What being, how, and isn't that illegal, or at least immoral?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 9:39 PM
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Sephardim don't speak Yiddish.

Somehow I knew someone would make this objection. There are apparently Ashkenazim there now, though. (Also, according to another section of that page there is a Yiddish school in Mexico City.)

Thanks for that horrifying bit of history, Teo. I didn't know about that.

That page doesn't include the part where his nephew (I think), on hearing about his family members being burned by the Inquisition, hastily assembles a group of settlers and makes a beeline for the Rockies. The expedition was unsuccessful, and I think the nephew was eventually also burned by the Inquisition, but some of its members later accompanied Oñate on the expedition in 1598 that established the territory of New Mexico. I remember my dad talking about this a while ago; I think there's a book about it.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 9:39 PM
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My father has a badger bristle brush. No word what became of the badger, or the safety razor.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 9:40 PM
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Sifu Tweety, I do believe you have deliberately misconstrued my meaning for comedic effect! How delightful!


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 9:41 PM
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I'm still marvelling at the thought that such regimens make people feel grown up. Certainly. Certainly.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 9:43 PM
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135: Bah! Clearly, this whole "shaving" thing is just an attempt to be as dreamy as Depp...


Posted by: Sharkey | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 9:45 PM
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139: surely you know me well enough to forswear ascribing my construals to deliberation, Ben. I, like the noble safety razor, am a creature of instinct.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 9:49 PM
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Sharkey, whoever you are, let's hold on to that thought: what it would take to be Depp.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 9:50 PM
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I forswore the practice of such ascriptions on as the bells chimed in the new year, S. T., but I too am a creature of instinct and found it wrenched from me.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 9:51 PM
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In an early installment of Peter Blegvad's great comic Leviathan, the only word Levi utters—with quite mutable meaning—is "Dep".

This is not without significance, I feel.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 9:52 PM
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The next step is to begin buying islands, I believe. We may have to pool funds; I don't know if my scholarships will cover that.


Posted by: Sharkey | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 9:58 PM
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144: the ascription wrench wielded by a valet, in the interest of unsprained bicamerality?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 10:01 PM
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The valet was only conscious because of sprained bicamerality.

The ascription wrench is wielded by nature, which puts the question to us.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 10:02 PM
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shivbunny has expressed a desire for a badger-bristle brush.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 10:04 PM
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Then it should be given to him, lest he do himself a mischief.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 10:04 PM
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146: Of course I have no idea what you mean. I haven't seen the latest version of Sweeney Todd, if that's relevant. I do wish I could wax on about the power and attraction that is Johnny Depp, but there's no space here. I don't think it has anything to do with islands, in any case.


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148: ascription's elision of instinct being exactly the sort of question one's valet should be deflecting.


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151: I believe Depp owns an island in the Caribbean. I could be mistaken, though, and I lack the initiative to actually look that sort of thing up.

Besides, we don't want to lose sight of the Depp glory, muddling around in details.


Posted by: Sharkey | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 10:13 PM
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ascription's elision of instinct

Something has gone horribly awry here.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 10:14 PM
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If "being" was changed to "posing" up a'there I'd be a better nerd. I've failed you, Ben. Off to bed!


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153: No. No, we don't. Not those kinds of details.

Don't overdescribe, though: "glory"? I think not. It's just that far too few men these days understand how to be hot. One becomes impatient.


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We saw The Orphanage tonight. I don't think I'm going to be buying any former orphanages, even if they do come with a private beach and a lighthouse.


Posted by: Nápi | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 10:17 PM
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You can't fail me, Sifu. I've long since given up on you.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 10:17 PM
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156: A fair point. Of course, when I get impatient I can just glance in a mirror. But, even that gets old eventually...


Posted by: Sharkey | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 10:21 PM
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You must not be very attractive, then.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 10:22 PM
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It's just that far too few men these days understand how to be hot.

Perhaps you could enlighten us.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 10:23 PM
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160: You cut to the core of me...


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159: That makes no sense to me.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 10:31 PM
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Sharkey is trying to pass himself off as someone whose reflection in a mirror resembles that of a man these days who knows how to be hot.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 10:35 PM
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Indeed. The step from "knowing how" to "being" seems to be the tricky step.


Posted by: Sharkey | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 10:37 PM
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164: Oh, that will never work.

Step one: stop caring.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 10:48 PM
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Indeed. The step from "knowing how" to "being" seems to be the tricky step.

Possibly. A stickler would point out that it is not necessary to know how to be hot to be so; for some it might be automatic.


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A stickler would point out that it is not necessary to know how to be hot to be so; for some it might be automatic.

Quite true, but parsimon is bemoaning the lack of knowing, not the lack of being.


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161:

I confess I've been deliberately forwarding a picture of romantic relations driven by hotness. It's something that women hear all the time. Men don't hear it very often: Hey, the closer you are to Johnny Depp, the more likely you are to be desired. So get to work on that. (This is approximately as obnoxious as all the hot chix stuff one is subjected to all the time.)

Anyway, Depp is hot, and it has to do with his physical grace, self-confidence, seriousness, and utter carelessness, or relaxation.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 10:59 PM
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parsimon is bemoaning the lack of knowing, not the lack of being.

No! Bemoaning the lack of being, sorry.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 11:01 PM
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Parsimon, striking a blow for equality!

Next we'll hear someone say that she, personally, like dudes who are less graceful than Johnny Depp.


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 11:06 PM
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likes, obvs.


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 11:07 PM
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I found a thing, but lost the word for it.


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mrh gets it. Thanks.

I myself like dudes who are less graceful than Johnny Depp. Nonetheless ...

You'll forgive me if I'm laughing.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 11:17 PM
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There are those who theorize that equality will only come when women objectify men, because men are unlikely to stop. Sometimes I agree with them. At least it's not obviously incorrect.

That said, Mr. Drop is to small of a sample size to draw any useful conclusions from.


Posted by: water moccasin | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 11:21 PM
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Step one: stop caring.

Whatever. I'm out of here. Later.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 11:22 PM
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equality will only come when women objectify men

Oh, no. Please, I was only making a point. I don't endorse this at all, but it puts one in an awkward position unless men stop.


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I found a thing, but lost the word for it.

Nice, and reminds me of the lyrics to Indiscipline.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 11:42 PM
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I'm really into sincerity. I find sincerity really attractive. Especially in comments, but it's nice in real life, too.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 11:43 PM
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If I said something like "me too" to 179, it would probably come across as insincere.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 01- 5-08 11:51 PM
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I'm quite fond of insincerity, myself. Anyone have Mitt Romney's number?


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 01- 6-08 12:06 AM
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179 comes off as insincere its own self, so.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 01- 6-08 12:08 AM
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I am aware, my dear Ben.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 01- 6-08 12:12 AM
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I wasn't addressing you, dear heart.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 01- 6-08 12:13 AM
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What I really like in comments are long walks on the beach.


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How will I know it when you address me?


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 01- 6-08 12:22 AM
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You won't think to wonder whether I am: you'll simply know.


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re: 133

The safety razor plus shaving soap and badger hair brush is the only way to shave. I believe I'm not the only long term user of same, as it's come up on here before.


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112, thanks
interesting, though wikipedia says only wonderful things about amaranth
114, i'm glad you liked the pictures, i like to browse flickr absent-mindedly, found that guys photos, he's great
i liked ogged's photos too, impression is he likes large quantities of blue, very relaxing ')
i'd love to browse yours, my pictures are always so plain, i dare not to place these anywhere public



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It's all about Depp's physical gracefulness. Oh yes. I fetishise me some physical gracefulness.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 01- 6-08 8:07 AM
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179: OMG a white bear has a crush on jonathan richman!

in addition to the superlative johnny depp, that daniel craig fellow is also hott. his honesty and shaving regimen are unknown to me.


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's, the
my best liked male actors were young De Niro, Alain Delon, Andrei Mironov
now i don't have any, sad
may be i'll pick up some of unfogged's favorites
about Johnny Depp, i'm like indifferent though



Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 01- 6-08 8:27 AM
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Read, you don't have to stop liking male actors -- or even other male humans -- just because they get old. It's the beauty of film.


Posted by: Napi | Link to this comment | 01- 6-08 8:52 AM
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sure, i love their films and do not stop, of course,
just saying there are no new young actors who can be compared to the best, in my opinion, standards


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though what standards, people of course can't be measured :)
i said nonsense


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191 - My *husband* has a crush on Jonathan Richman.

And I bought a friend this tea towel for Christmas - she loved it.


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Hey, the closer you are to Johnny Depp, the more likely you are to be desired.

Well, you know, this is kind of true.


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