Re: Your Pacing Cowers In The Face Of My Massive Lats

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I don't think that I could do a pull up without using the kind of machine that assists you by putting extra countervailing weight on the other end. How does the Door Gym help you with push ups?


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 10:40 AM
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It gives you a place to hold onto for push-ups, but I never use it that way.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 10:43 AM
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I don't think that I could do a pull up without using the kind of machine that assists you by putting extra countervailing weight on the other end.

Me neither. I was down to only 25lb countervailing weight on the other end at one point a couple years ago, then got lazy in training. My goal is to do an unassisted pull-up by the end of June, but I'm not sure that that's a realistic goal.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 10:46 AM
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(a) Holy crap. Those dudes are strong. (b) ogged, I'll let you know about how far I can budge from the straight arm hang; you strap 70 pounds to your body and tell me how many conventional pullups you can do.


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 10:48 AM
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At first glance on that last one, I wasn't quite sure where he had attached the 115 lbs...
I remember pull-ups from elementary school and the presidential physical fitness tests. Man, I hated that whole program. But it turned out that for pull-ups, even if you could do 0 in 5th grade you were still in the 35th percentile. At least I can do some now.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 10:48 AM
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you strap 70 pounds to your body and tell me how many conventional pullups you can do

Ah, the refrain of the fat man. It's about strength to weight, my bulky friend.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 10:50 AM
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That first one is pretty impressive, he's not swinging much at all.

Speed really helps in many moves. Probably the most impressive think like this I've ever seen is a guy do a slow inverted iron cross (i.e., on rings) from handstand and back up after. Perfect form, and more than 10s I'd say.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 10:52 AM
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Yes, as you remember from the meet-up, I'm morbidly obese. Oh, right, you couldn't pull yourself out of bed.


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 10:53 AM
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sometimes i can't open a jam jar
without knife trick


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 10:53 AM
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Ah, the refrain of the fat man. It's about strength to weight, my bulky friend.

Depends on context, doesn't it? In a fight with the 'fat' man, mr-strength-to-weight gets crushed. If it's a race to free-climb up a rock-face, mr-strength-to-weight rules.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 10:54 AM
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You're so defensive about your bulk.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 10:54 AM
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All of you!


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 10:54 AM
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While the dynamos that that guy is pulling in the first ten seconds of the "Whoa, Dude" video are very impressive (and I have no idea how those bastard climbers do them), I'd argue that his full-body dips at around 0:50 are crazier. Look at his control in those dips, while he's holding his whole body up and outward at an awkward angle. That takes incredible stabilization from secondary muscles that most people neglect.


Posted by: Po-Mo Polymath | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 10:55 AM
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10: Not to mention who you want helping you move. Sometimes it's about strength, sometimes it's about strength-to-weight. Mostly `it' isn't about either (jam jars notwithstanding)


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 10:56 AM
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You're so defensive about your bulk.

Yeah, read, there's no need to be ashamed of eating jam.,


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 10:57 AM
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Sometimes it's about strength, sometimes it's about strength-to-weight.

Maybe ogged just wants to run obstacle courses. Or, better yet, get on the new American Gladiators.


Posted by: Po-Mo Polymath | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 10:59 AM
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When I did rock climbing in my youth, I could do a one armed pull up (not more than one, though). I was also underweight at the time.


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 10:59 AM
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Maybe ogged just wants to run obstacle courses. Or, better yet, get on the new American Gladiators.

In the new millennium we desperately need a new Iron Sheik.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 11:00 AM
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Jam jars are about who is smart enough to use tools.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 11:00 AM
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There was a tiny kid in my high school class who could do pull-ups all day [or it seemed like it]. He could also press more than his own bodyweight over his head.* It was damned impressive.

* i.e. about 20% more than I could press now [his bodyweight, I mean] despite weighing about twice as much.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 11:02 AM
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The Door Gym over the Phoenix? I just saw one of those at the store and was thinking about placing an order. One clear advantage: name.


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 11:05 AM
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God I wish those dudes would stop copying me.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 11:16 AM
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While we're on the topic of metaphysics pull-ups...


Posted by: Merganser | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 11:19 AM
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Did anyone see the new American Gladiators? I was surprised at how bulky the gladiators were and how lean and fit the competitors were. It seemed like a weird setup.

I'll bet that the "whoa, dude" guy could take on the gladiators, no problem.


Posted by: Klug | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 11:21 AM
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I was surprised at how bulky the gladiators were and how lean and fit the competitors were. It seemed like a weird setup.

I thought that's how it always was. They make it look like David vs. Goliath, then pit the competitors against gladiators in competitions that actually tend to hinge on agility and speed, limiting or eliminating their bulk and strength advantage.


Posted by: Po-Mo Polymath | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 11:35 AM
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25: Yeah, I suppose so. I'd be interested in seeing a speed-on-speed matchup, though. Depending on the quicks of the entrant, some of the gladiators were badly overmatched.


Posted by: Klug | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 11:45 AM
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Depends on context, doesn't it? In a fight with the 'fat' man, mr-strength-to-weight gets crushed. If it's a race to free-climb up a rock-face, mr-strength-to-weight rules.

I was just thinking this same thing.

Of course, having said that, I would trade to have better strength to weight any day.

Back in the day, we did lots of rope climbing. I could go up and down the rope with no hands ten times very, very fast. Even then, I would have been impressed by the one handed pull up guy.


Posted by: Will | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 11:47 AM
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Do you mean no feet, or did this specific rope have no hands? Or have you been reading Kit Fine?


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 11:48 AM
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Ogged:

What are you now? 140 lbs? You should come close to doing one-hand pull ups at that weight.

Of all the things in the gym, pull ups probably impress me the most when the guy (or girl) isnt rail thin.


Posted by: Will | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 11:49 AM
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I like the way the Bartendaz use "Let's get that paper!" as an all-purpose slogan.


Posted by: destroyer | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 11:49 AM
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yes, no legs. Sorry.


Posted by: Will | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 11:49 AM
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It's good to have strong people around who love how much they can lift, as smart people tend to need a lot of shit moved around and garbage bags picked up and furniture delivered and stuff. Yeah, put it over there, thanks.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 12:18 PM
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In a fight with the 'fat' man, mr-strength-to-weight gets crushed.

That's not certain; they get tired real quick.


Posted by: Michael | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 12:27 PM
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Among my academic nerdy friends, I'm one of the stronger ones capable of lifting things, so I've moved people's stuff around a lot. It was weird when shivbunny and I moved his cousin into a new house, and all his other male cousins were doing in the lifting, and not expecting me to help.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 12:29 PM
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Rough time at recess, eh, Gonerill?


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 12:33 PM
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Cala, that freaks me out too. Doesn't happen often, though.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 12:35 PM
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I think it's more interesting as a commentary on the weakness of grad school nerds, or social norms than anything. Come to think of it, there's no reason they should have. I'm not all that strong these days and they were all six foot farmboys.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 12:39 PM
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My two best friends are big, strong guys. I am happy to hold the door open for them while they move stuff.


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 12:42 PM
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When BR kicks me out, will Cala and Megan come help me move?


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 12:43 PM
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I find Ninja Warrior more entertaining than push-ups, but I guess it's somewhat cheesier, and a bit less homoerotic.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 12:51 PM
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less homoerotic

DO NOT WANT


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 12:52 PM
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That clip starts getting pretty insane about 5 minutes in.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 1:08 PM
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40: That's just because you're not showing clips of the guy who competes in nothing but a thong. Or the buff transvestite, for that matter.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 1:11 PM
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40: That was really, really cool. But how come he doesn't have to fight King Koopa?


Posted by: Klug | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 1:55 PM
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Transsexual, I mean. Don't sell Ninja Warrior short, is all I'm saying.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 2:32 PM
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I love those Japanese obstacle course shows. I was really hoping they'd bring one over here, but we get silly gladiators instead. Americans love their combat.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 2:34 PM
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They air Ninja Warrior on G4, or were you specifically hoping for a version stocked with hearty American youth?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 2:36 PM
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An American version wouldn't be nearly as good. Half the fun of the first stage is seeing the contestants dance around in their costumes and toss squid around, and I have a hard time imagining that happening with American contestants.
The other half is, of course, seeing people fail spectacularly.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 2:48 PM
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specifically hoping for a version stocked with hearty American youth?

Precisely.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 2:56 PM
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Did you see the episode where the guy fell 2 feet from the finish line? Brutal.


Posted by: Michael | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 3:33 PM
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though maybe they do that a lot; i don't watch it that much


Posted by: Michael | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 3:43 PM
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This post reminds me I've been slacking on pull up work. But it's a new year, back to the grindstone!

I do weighted stuff, but one arm has always been largely beyond me. I've done a single with around 120 or so, but not 5 reps like that last link. At the moment though 120 would probably 0 movement and lots of veins bulging in my head. Perhaps an eyeball flying across the room from the pressure.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 4:59 PM
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I do weighted stuff, but one arm has always been largely beyond me.

This sounds like a problem with proprioception. Is there a neuroscientist you could see?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 5:05 PM
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More like a problem with excessively large buttcheeks.

This year is going to include a better diet and more consistent workouts damnit. Also, more running.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 5:13 PM
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The grindstone ought to help with that, gswift. Those are heavy buggers.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 5:16 PM
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i was to write my jar opening technique
but seems everybody uses tools
though it was pretty clever trick
i'll keep it to myself


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 5:47 PM
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You said that you use a knife? Simply stabbing a hole in the lid seems like overkill.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 5:48 PM
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read
i find
it easiest
to turn jar over
and bite
the glass
bottom
off
with my
teeth


Posted by: Michael | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 5:49 PM
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Maybe read's jars have lids you pry off like those plastic storage buckets.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 5:50 PM
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I thought read was saying she knocked the lid at an angle towards the opening direction with the not-cerrated edge of a butter knife. My mom does that.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 5:51 PM
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You said that you use a knife? Simply stabbing a hole in the lid seems like overkill.

In a last-ditch scenario, breaking the seal by puncturing the lid is actually a great trick.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 5:54 PM
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Read, do tell, for I am weak. Not grad student weak, but future grad student weak.


Posted by: destroyer | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 5:58 PM
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I used to be able to open a beer bottle with a spatula by whacking it up the side. Then I came home, and found out that it only worked in Samoa -- bottlecaps here are harder or something, and I kept on knocking the glass necks off the bottles. Which looked tough, but wasn't much good for drinking.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 5:58 PM
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I used to open beer bottles on the buckles of motorcycle jackets. Also, on a Ptolemy Stone.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 6:01 PM
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re: 33

Yeah, right.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 6:03 PM
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Bottle openers are good for breaking the seals on jars. Just act like the jar lid is a bottle cap and give it a pry. POP! I like to use the bottle-opening prong on my Swing-a-Way can opener.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 6:04 PM
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Drunken guests love to show me their "trick" of opening beer bottles on countertops. I love to show them my countertops' gradually eroding edges.


Posted by: destroyer | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 6:05 PM
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by popular demand
i find
it easiest
to turn jar over
and slide the knife under the lid edge and let some air pass through, usually there is some 'pook' sound and now it's very easy to turn the lid
without any damage to the lid and
teeth enamel!
Stanley's mom does the same trick i quess
if i got it correctly


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 6:06 PM
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guess


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 6:07 PM
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Opening beer bottles with your teeth is both stupid and (surprisingly) easy.

re: 68

'pook' is a great word.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 6:08 PM
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Stanley's mom does the same trick

No, your version sounds much more effective.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 6:08 PM
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pook! Exactly. That is a great technique that I never heard of before.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 6:08 PM
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I used to open beer bottles on the infraorbital rim of the guy sitting next to me at the bar.

I smiled when I saw "pook."


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 6:09 PM
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No, your version sounds much more effective.

No! With the jar upside down?? Stanley's mom does it in the objectively most efficient way. Do it under hot running water, jar angled but right side up, turn it round and round. Tap tap tap.

And beer bottle caps: open with a key.

Wine corks in the absence of a corkscrew: ice pick. Sharp stabby stabby motion. Desperation helps.

Next?


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 6:22 PM
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For wine bottles, gently but firmly pushing the cork into the bottle with the handle of a wooden spoon is damn near foolproof. Slight tilt over the sink if you are worried about spillage.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 6:27 PM
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70 is entirely correct. I used to do that all the time, until I realized 70.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 6:27 PM
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Beer bottle caps now I mostly open with a lighter or equivalent.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 6:28 PM
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Thanks, college!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 6:28 PM
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65. come over here and take that tone, McGratten!
You might desire to distinguish between fat as in fleshy but strong, and fat as in genuinely lardy. But I've been in a few fights (more wrestling than punching, one genuine, others for funsies), and endurance was a real issue. Fights are hella tiring, even when you're in shape.


Posted by: Michael | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 6:29 PM
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The word "pook" is identical in Mongolian and English. Amazing but true. Maybe in Russian and Japanese too.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 6:33 PM
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I meant to specify those few fights as being with fat dudes.


Posted by: Michael | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 6:33 PM
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I've found that lying on top of a smaller opponent can provide an excellent opportunity to catch your breath.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 6:35 PM
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re: 82

chaise-longues-fu!


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 6:39 PM
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let's find the connection between opening bottles and fighting fat people. At high enough temperatures, there's a unifying law governing both of these behaviors.


Posted by: Michael | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 6:46 PM
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between 10E-37 and 10E-35 seconds after the big bang, in fact, there was no distinction between the two


Posted by: Michael | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 6:48 PM
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A fat dude told me that his secret was leaning on the other guy. He expended no energy and the other guy wore out.

He was a liar and a braggart, but what he said had its plausibility. It depended on getting close and latching on right at the beginning, and probably being able to take a few punches at the beginning.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 8:16 PM
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Free kuzushi! That might work in boxing, where throws aren't allowed, but it seems like a very bad strategy in a real fight. But, I haven't been in a real fight since middle school, so I might be full of shit.


Posted by: halax | Link to this comment | 01- 9-08 9:37 PM
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Weight used to be my strategy in newaza, where you're both crawling over each other anyway. Apply enough weight, and the clever methods to get out of locks get a lot harder.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 01-10-08 8:13 AM
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