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Only when I have insomnia - never consistently.


Posted by: Magpie | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 8:00 AM
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I pulled it off for two years. But I lived closer to the gym, and the gym was in the opposite direction from my apartment as work. Now the gym is a bit further away, and is between my apartment and the university, so if I'd have to do some serious backtracking if I wanted to shower at home after gymtime. No way I'm taking all my stuff to the slightly icky Y and getting ready there in the mornings.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 8:01 AM
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I used to do this pretty much every day (even weekends) but I have no trick, other than forcing myself, which just means making a decision that I'll do it and then not wanting to renege. It's just like quitting smoking.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 8:03 AM
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I'm about to start trying that again -- I decided I really couldn't justify paying for a gym after switching jobs, which means rolling out of bed at six and rowing instead. I've done it for weeks at a time, but when something breaks my pattern, I'm really bad at getting back into it.

In college, I liked 5:30 crew practice, but it was because I had to show up or no one else in the boat could row. I'd sleepwalk to practice, and not fully wake up until I'd been rowing for fifteen minutes -- I used to really enjoy that moment of alertness when I finally looked around me and realized where I was.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 8:05 AM
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My technique is not to go to the gym and accept being out of shape.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 8:05 AM
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It's just like quitting smoking.

Or not getting cancer.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 8:07 AM
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Whenever I drink a lot the night before, I always wake up very early the next morning. Give that a try.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 8:15 AM
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"Working out", eh? Sounds like quite the deal. What's involved?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 8:16 AM
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i've been running regularly in the AMs the past 7 months or so. and the only way i've been able to do it is by having a partner or group to join. i have no problem getting up at 6am to join my running group, but if i know nobody will be out there to meet me, i will snooze for hours. you might want to see if you can find a workout partner to motivate you.


Posted by: catherine | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 8:17 AM
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I have always, when I've worked out or run, done so in the afternoon or evening. Exactly once, last summer, I woke up at the crack of dawn at 5am and was possessed with a need to run. What a run! The dew was on the grass, the friendliest people were in the park, I listened to music and ran right down the center of the park in whatever way I wanted because dammit I could. It was delicious, and one of the most satisfying runs I ever had.

I never did this again.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 8:20 AM
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running in the AM sucks. the only time i'll do it is in July and August when the early AM is the only time when it's below 80 deg outside. but it makes me feel like crap - brain-dead and a little nauseous for hours afterwards.


Posted by: cleek | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 8:27 AM
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I've always wanted to be one of those people who gets up in the morning with enough time to eat a healthy breakfast and then get to campus in time to go over my preparations before class, the whole time moving at a relaxed pace. Oh yeah, and the radio is only telling me good news the whole time.

Any suggestions?


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 8:27 AM
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10 is sad.


Posted by: OneFatEnglishman | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 8:28 AM
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It's just like quitting smoking.

Except it doesn't make you smell better.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 8:30 AM
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Can't do it in the morning.

It feels abnormal to me to go to bed before 1AM, or wake up before 8AM. I feel awful until at least lunchtime if I have to get up earlier than that. This included every day of middle school and high school.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 8:31 AM
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I pull this off for phases here and there and what works for me is a finely tuned system of rewards. If I get my ass up at 5:30 and get to yoga, then I buy my breakfast out. Or lunch. Or I take a nap with my kid. You see where I am going with this. After a couple of weeks it just starts to take and the rewards become less critical.


Posted by: Sybil Vane | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 8:32 AM
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Any suggestions?

Don't teach any classes that start before 10:30.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 8:32 AM
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I think the key is constant relocation. Every two weeks, Becks should move somewhere where the local morning lines up with her normal workout time back in NYC. After a while, she'll readjust, at which point, she moves again.

Maybe one of the mathematicians can work out the most efficient way for Becks to location cycle.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 8:32 AM
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I'd love to work out in the mornings, but my obstacle is the extra time I'd need for eating -- a little snack before, a substantial meal after. Time for eating + time for working out = getting up way too early.


Posted by: Bave Dee | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 8:33 AM
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She could get a job as intercontinental cabin crew. And only work on eastbound flights. Or do I mean westbound?


Posted by: OneFatEnglishman | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 8:36 AM
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20: That's the kind of outside of the box thinking that's going to lick this AM problem. We can delegate this East/West issue to someone else.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 8:38 AM
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4: In college, I liked 5:30 crew practice, but it was because I had to show up or no one else in the boat could row

Not having other people dependent on my presence, I abhorred, cursed, despised, detested, disliked, hated, loathed, reviled and missed as many morning swim practices as I could. In high school I would set my clock slow while my father (candidate for world's most punctual man) would set his fast and we would argue about what time it was at dark thirty in the morning. Good times! Even when I lived in Houston, I would jog at midnight to avoid the heat rather than first thing in the AM (even though it was in fact cooler in the morning).


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 8:40 AM
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13: 10 is great.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 8:40 AM
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19- I'm similar. Working out in the morning would be great, but I'd be rushing around- scarfing down breakfast, throwing on the clothes to get to work quickly.

After work, I'm much more relaxed in that routine. I don't actually need to get to work by a certain time, but I can't get out of that mindset.


Posted by: asl | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 8:41 AM
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You have to get into a routine.
You need shame. (Preferably, people who will mock you if you do not show up.)
To get in the cycle, you have to go to bed early. Unfortunately, that is impossible until you wake up early. Wake up and suffer for a couple of days. Then, you will start to go to sleep early.

I feel slovenly if I do not wake up before 7 am. (And I am a very slovenly guy.)


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 8:45 AM
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I am like you. Can't pull it off. I'm groggy and pissed off in the morning, and there is a lot of pressure to pull myself together for work etc.


Posted by: stroll | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 8:47 AM
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18's is the most practical suggestion.

I'd like to be able to get to the gym for a 7am start, but only a workout partner who would actually show up at my house and park outside honking and ringing my mobile phone would get me to do it.


Posted by: Jesurgislac | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 8:51 AM
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I've wanted to do this too, because when I have done it, it makes me feel great and energetic all day long, but I can't seem to pull it off for more than a week at a time.

But yeah, like everyone else has said, a workout partner will do it. The few times I've done it at all, I've had an agreement to meet someone.


Posted by: m. leblanc | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 8:51 AM
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I feel slovenly if I do not wake up before 7 am. (And I am a very slovenly guy.)

Sorry, Will, but that one gets a buzzer.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 8:52 AM
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See? Jesurgislac and m. leblanc believe in shame too!


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 8:53 AM
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I prefer working out in the morning mainly because it tends to improve my mood during the ensuing day from "bitter" to "sardonic," but I find the only things that help get me out of bed at the necessary 6:45 to 7 are (i) going to sleep earlier than 11:30 at night, (ii) keeping protein bars, vitamins and bottled water* in the same respective places so habit can get me through the first few groggy minutes and (iii) getting my workout clothes out the night before. Worked this morning, but it's still kind of hit or miss.

* Yes, I know and feel guilty.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 8:53 AM
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Sorry, Will, but that one gets a buzzer.

Is a buzzer good or bad?


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 8:54 AM
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(iii) getting my workout clothes out the night before.

Yes. Good idea Flippanter! If you have everything ready the night before, you will feel more compelled to get up.


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 8:55 AM
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If you have everything ready the night before, you will feel more compelled to get up.

Caveat: a neat little pile of shorts, sex-appropriate infrastructural support garments, t-shirt and ankle/knee bandages can do only so much.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 8:57 AM
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The workout clothes all ready is key. It's not a question of being compelled to get up, it's a question of actually being able to stumble out of the house in any kind of a timely manner.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 8:57 AM
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It's not a question of being compelled to get up, it's a question of actually being able to stumble out of the house in any kind of a timely manner.

Compelled because you do not have a time excuse.


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 8:58 AM
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Yeah, packing up and being completely ready to go the night before is critical for me. Otherwise I'll find excuses.


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 9:00 AM
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Do it at the weekend?


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 9:02 AM
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All you people without small children crack me right up. Exercise in the morning! Hilarious!


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 9:11 AM
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Building on John Emerson's suggestion in the other thread, if you have the burrito already in the microwave and ready to heat up, it will compel you to awaken and become productive (for various values of 'productive').


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 9:12 AM
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Divorce Apo! Divorce!!!!

Half the time, you have the kids and you are waking up early. The other half, you can work out.

Divorce doesnt just help you lose the weight. It helps you work out!


Posted by: Will | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 9:17 AM
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I always work out in the morning because I like the fact that I can get on any of the equipment that I need for that day's workout. My gym is busy enough that any other times it is pretty hit or miss. Also my gym is right next to my work so I can workout, shower, and walk the block to my office.


Posted by: CJB | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 9:18 AM
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When I was figure skating regularly, what helped get my ass out the door in the morning was that the ice was only available from 7-9. Perhaps if your gym offers morning classes, that would appeal to your inner tightwad who can then kick your inner sloth.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 9:18 AM
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I have the problem that I am absolutely addicted to a two-hour lazy morning. If I have to leave for work at 6am (two-hour commute), I'll get up at 4 just so I'll have plenty of time to read the internet, make coffee and a good breakfast, take a long and satisfying shower, stare out the window, read a book, etc. I'm not a "morning person" in the sense that I *like* mornings or feel vigorous during them. I'm a morning person in that I need quite a few hours to get adjusted to being awake and alive, during which I'm not stressing about work or anything else.

At night, I have way too much energy, I rush through everything, and will often prepare something incredibly lazy for dinner so I can rush off somewhere. I also don't read at night, at least not well. But I always have energy to leave and rush around after 7pm or so. No idea why.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 9:20 AM
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The mother of a friend of mine used to do this. She worked at the Agriculture department, and there was an onsite gym. She went to bed around 9, got up really early and showered and dressed at work. I've always thought that it would be great to have a permanent locker at the gym and one which was long enough to hold dress clothes. I've never quite mastered the mechanics of putting a suit and heels in the locker.

I am trying to get myself into exercising a bit in the AM. I haven't made it to the 6:30 AM Yoga classes, so I'm going to work on doing some sun salutations at home. It's not a full workout, but it does get the blood flowing and make one feel better during the day, though you'd still want to go to the gym on other days.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 9:22 AM
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Here's a trick I've figured out. YMMV.

I think the ability to get up in the morning is largely correlated to blood-sugar levels. My working suspicion about myself is that when I eat foods late at night that have a high glycemic index (i.e., make my blood sugar spike), such as bread, beer, etc., then I have incredible difficulty getting up early the next morning. I think it's because that spike is, inevitably followed by a crash, which tends to hit after several hours. If I am keeping a clean diet -- meat and vegetables, seeds and nutes, etc. -- and don't eat late at night, that seems to keep blood sugar levels more moderate, and I can get up earlier.

I have no idea if this is scientifically accurate, but it seems to work for me, so I'll pass it along to see if anyone else shares that experience.

Also -- an old trick from when I had to get up at the butt-crack of dawn for two-a-days in college: drink plenty of water the night before, right before you go to bed. It's easier to get up if you have to pee like a racehorse. Of course, if your the kind of person who has to get up in the middle of the night to go, that won't work for you, but I never was.


Posted by: Dan | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 9:23 AM
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Having the gym bag all packed up is pretty critical no matter what time I'm going to work out.

Also, I need to work out on an empty stomach, and I also need food pretty soon after getting up. That makes it rather tricky to get in for morning workouts.

Now that I think about it, the only time I was able to consistently work out in the mornings was when our bathroom was ripped out and I needed to shower at the gym. So Becks, ask your landlord to start a lengthy remodel of your bathroom(s) and you should be golden.


Posted by: Magpie | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 9:24 AM
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44: Two hours? Christe eleison.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 9:25 AM
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Going straight past the Kyrie and rounding the bend!


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 9:26 AM
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two hours sounds very civilized


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 9:26 AM
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Try a sunrise-simulator alarm clock. There was one panned on msnbc.com recently. But others at amazon.com got good reviews.


Posted by: blortch | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 9:27 AM
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You're a night person or a morning person, it's inborn. Being an extreme night person is statistically associated with being disorganized and potentially insane. Correlated with schizophrenia, etc.


Posted by: PerfectlyGoddamnDelightful | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 9:29 AM
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All you people without small children crack me right up. Exercise in the morning! Hilarious!

I thought "running around after the kids" gave you parents all the exercise you needed. At least that's what actresses tell the gossip rags after they've dropped all their baby weight in 2 months.

If you tell me that Catherine Zeta-Jones and Us Magazine have been lying to me all this time, I.. I just won't know what to do.


Posted by: Magpie | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 9:30 AM
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I am neither a morning person nor a night person. I am just in the middle. I like to get up at 7:00 and go to bed at 11:00.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 9:32 AM
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hbgb, that makes you a morning person in my book.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 9:35 AM
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I just try to be the best heebie I can be. If that makes me a morning person, so be it.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 9:37 AM
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I am like AWB. I have to get up way before I have to be presentable in order to feel acclimated to living.


Posted by: Sybil Vane | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 9:39 AM
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You people are all fucking insane.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 9:39 AM
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Yeah, well, you're a bitch.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 9:40 AM
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We can't all be effortless hott like you, B. Some of us have to work at it.


Posted by: m. leblanc | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 9:41 AM
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I have a sunrise-simulator alarm clock with a sunset feature. I really like it, but they are expensive. I need it because of seasonal affective disorder. It used to be absolutely crippling from October to January, but the dawn simulator helped a lot. I had SRS 100 from Morning Sunrise, but that broke within a year, and they ignored all of my e-mails about getting it repaired. Apollo Health Systems is a more reputable company (they're known for doing light therapy research too). Theirs is almost twice as much money, but it comes with a radio, and you can get it for quite a bit less than that from Costco.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 9:41 AM
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I think I just went through way too many years of my life when I felt like I was always late, always rushing out the door. I have a really funky stomach in the morning and need time to ingest my coffee or tea, and make something semi-substantial for breakfast, like a two-egg omelet and toast.

When I was a teenager, I'd wake up 5 minutes before walking out the door, with no breakfast or shower (it was the mid-90's, so that was okay), and I was always, always running late. I'd fall asleep in class or just be too stressed to concentrate on anything. I was pretty much this way all through college too. I could never find the right books or papers as I was leaving, and if it turned out the clothes I was going to wear were dirty, I'd flip out.

Now, I actually leave to teach having gotten all my materials in order. I'm fed, caffeinated, clean, dressed, organized, and calm when I leave the house. It's actually helped to solve a lot of my previous mood imbalances.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 9:48 AM
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52: I really hope it's overrideable. I'm pretty naturally a night person, at least that's what I've been through all my years of school and work thus far. The new job is going to require early mornings. Very early mornings. Like, butt-in-seat-at-7:30-early mornings.

This may impinge on my nights spent drinking until 4 am, and this has caused a minor existential crisis.


Posted by: Po-Mo Polymath | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 9:55 AM
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Have not read the thread, but to make a suggestion on the question posed, one approach is to find something--a team, a class, a workout buddy--to which you make a commitment. The only times I have even come close to starting to get back in shape since I retired from the Army have been when I had someone I had committed to working out with. It's easy to ignore going to the gym by yourself, it's much harder to ignore a friend who you know will be waiting there for you.


Posted by: Idealist | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 9:57 AM
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When I was a teenager, I'd wake up 5 minutes before walking out the door, with no breakfast or shower (it was the mid-90's, so that was okay)

I can one-up this: in high school, I'd get dressed the night before and sleep in my clothes, so that all I had to do in the morning was brush my teeth and go.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 10:03 AM
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63: That can be a real shock to the system. Good luck!


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 10:06 AM
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Me too, and my school was only a block away, barefoot in the snow uphill both ways.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 10:11 AM
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You could just try this and get a workout while at work!


Posted by: PeaDub | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 10:33 AM
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Divorce Apo! Divorce!!!!

Already did that once, Will. I've gotten too used to the food this time around. If you want to keep your divorce options viable, marry a lousy cook. Make not the mistakes I have made, young commenters.

I am neither a morning person nor a night person

I'm not a sleep person. I'm usually falling asleep between 2 and 4 am and up by 7 at the very latest.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 11:01 AM
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Is this because of the kids or always, apo? Because if you've always been able to get by on that little sleep, I say, "damn you." Yesterday, I fell asleep from 9-10, went to bed, woke up at 3, fell back asleep and woke up at 5:10. I am now exhausted and yawning and reading unfogged instead of writing cover letters. I had a larger-sized coffee than normal too.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 11:05 AM
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I'm usually falling asleep between 2 and 4 am and up by 7 at the very latest.

Unreal. I'm jealous that you can function on that little sleep. I'm sure I'll get acclimated a little once I have kids, but I've got a super-rigid sleepometer that goes fucking bonkers when I'm just a little sleep deprived.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 11:10 AM
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The getting up at 6 or 7 is because of the kids, but I've averaged ~4 hours of sleep a night since college. The past year or so, I've noticed that I now need about 5-1/2 hours to function at full speed the next day.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 11:11 AM
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I've got a super-rigid sleepometer

Is that what Jammies calls it?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 11:11 AM
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it was the mid-90's, so that was okay

I didn't have to shower in the mid-90's? Huh. I never seem to get the memos.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 11:14 AM
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65 is awesome.

Seriously, though, folks: how fucked up is it that we *envy* people who can get by on a few hours of sleep?? Or that we wish we enjoyed getting up at 5 am?? What's the point of being spoiled Americans if we don't get to sleep at least 9 hours at night, and putter about until noon?


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 11:15 AM
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If you showered all through the 90's, you're allowed to take this decade off, you know.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 11:15 AM
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but I've averaged ~4 hours of sleep a night since college.

Unbelievable. I'm so, so jealous. Jeez, a few weeks ago I went two days with like 6 hours of sleep, and found myself driving on the wrong side of the road. I swear to god. I was so out of it. I ended up ending class early because I couldn't think straight enough to answer their questions.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 11:16 AM
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if we don't get to sleep at least 9 hours at night

Not acceptable. That would really cut into my internet time.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 11:16 AM
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65. Under the circumstances, why brush your teeth?


Posted by: OneFatEnglishman | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 11:17 AM
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I need 8-9 hours of sleep or I get nagging headaches that lead to social unrest.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 11:17 AM
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Seriously, though, folks: how fucked up is it that we *envy* people who can get by on a few hours of sleep??

Seriously, half of SkyMall is contraptions to wake up people who are so sleep-deprived that conventional alarm clocks won't do the trick.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 11:18 AM
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Fuck the internet. You people are not as important as naps.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 11:18 AM
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You're that important to me, B.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 11:19 AM
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Just as long as you don't expect me to return the favor.

In fact, I think I *am* gonna go take a nap now. Toodles.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 11:21 AM
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Isn't it 9 in the morning where you live?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 11:22 AM
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I was reading this article the other day (at the spa while awaiting my massage!) that advised that the trick to getting by on 2 hours of sleep per day is to sleep for 20 minutes every 4 hours. Supposedly the first week sucks, and then you adjust. Someone should try this and tell us how it goes!


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 11:23 AM
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I'm the same way, heebie. I tend to start dropping things. Any tendencies toward social awkwardness are greatly exaggerated too. I forget to say goodbye to people, because the only thing that I can contemplate is how very tired I am.

I would not last as a farm hand. I am such a wuss.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 11:24 AM
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86: Yes, several weeks without REM sleep won't drive you crazy or anything.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 11:25 AM
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I was reading this article the other day (at the spa while awaiting my massage!) that advised that the trick to getting by on 2 hours of sleep per day is to sleep for 20 minutes every 4 hours. Supposedly the first week sucks, and then you adjust. Someone should try this and tell us how it goes!

A friend of mine tried this. It didn't go well.


Posted by: CJB | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 11:49 AM
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I'm another like AWB. I teach at 9:30am and have to be up, at my desk, working, and drinking coffee by 5am in order to be marginally sane and competent in class.

(I used to run in the morning before I did anything else, but it just ended up ensuring that my matinée would be plus grosse and I wouldn't really start working until 11 or so.)


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 11:51 AM
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I'm with AWB in needing some quiet time to start the day. Running in the morning means getting up around 5, making and drinking coffee, reading the papers, going out to run about 6, back home to shower and eat, make lunch, chat with wife and kid, and head out the door 7:30ish. I can't consistently do that 5 days a week, but I can get 2-4 when I'm being reasonable about getting to bed at night.


Posted by: Not Prince Hamlet | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 11:55 AM
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What's the point of being spoiled Americans academics if we don't get to sleep at least 9 hours at night, and putter about until noon?

(I kid, I kid.)


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 11:56 AM
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I'm with AWB in needing some quiet time to start the day. Running in the morning means getting up around 5, making and drinking coffee, reading the papers, going out to run about 6, back home to shower and eat, make lunch, chat with wife and kid, and head out the door 7:30ish.

See, for me, that's a schedule for getting out the door at 7:30 except with no time alloted for the run. How do you fit a run in there?


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 11:57 AM
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90: oudemia, I hope that you're talking about your desk at home and not at school. The only thing that could get me up and out of bed at 5 on a regular basis is crew.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 11:58 AM
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I'd get dressed the night before and sleep in my clothes, so that all I had to do in the morning was brush my teeth and go.

I did this last winter, but it was because my apartment was about 54 degrees Fahrenheit for a couple months, and I was far better equipped to handle the psychological devastation of taking my clothes off in those conditions at night than I was in the morning.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 12:01 PM
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Three words, Ned: electric oil radiator.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 12:02 PM
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88: The article insisted that your body will adapt so that it enters REM sleep more quickly. "You'll know you've made the adjustment when you start dreaming during your naps."


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 12:02 PM
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93: Between 6 and 6:30 or 6:45. Then 45+ minutes for breakfast, lunch-making, showering, chatting, and getting ready to go. And I can fudge and leave as late as 7:45-7:50 and still get the kid to school by 8--living close to school and work helps a lot.


Posted by: Not Prince Hamlet | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 12:04 PM
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94: Oh golly, yes. Desk at home.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 12:06 PM
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45+ minutes for breakfast, lunch-making, showering, chatting, and getting ready to go.

See, this is what I'm talking about when people say "gender roles don't matter!" It takes me about 45 minutes just to shower and get ready on any day where I have to look "professional." Teh patriarchy = sleep deprivation and/or no exercise.


Posted by: m. leblanc | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 12:07 PM
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Heh. I talk about being poorly groomed, but I do make a profit on it in terms of time getting ready; if I'm not dawdling, I can shower and dress in 10-15 minutes no problem.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 12:10 PM
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I don't even wash my hair in the mornign, because it takes too damn long. The only thing I've managed to make work is to wash my hair at night, let it air dry and then straighten it with a flatiron. I do this 3 times a week (sometimes only 2). If I exercise more, I'll need to wash my hair more.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 12:11 PM
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100: Eh, my wife doesn't take much longer to get ready than I do.


Posted by: Not Prince Hamlet | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 12:12 PM
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101 is right. In a pinch I can leave the house in under 10 minutes from leaving bed, showered and in clean clothes. Of course my hair is about 1/2 inch long.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 12:12 PM
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How do you shower in less than 8 minutes? You've got to brush your teeth for 2 minutes and use the toilet too. I am totally inefficient.

Also, I often have to rest for a few minutes after showering or bathing, because I frequently feel a little bit light-headed.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 12:14 PM
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I can get out the door in 45 minutes if I need to. Otherwise I tend to lounge.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 12:16 PM
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How do you shower in less than 8 minutes? You've got to brush your teeth for 2 minutes and use the toilet too.

Duh, you do all three simultaneously, then mash the crap down the drain with your feet. We've been over this previously.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 12:16 PM
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How do you shower in less than 8 minutes?

Quickly. Ok, but seriously, if I've overslept or whatever and I'm running late, most times I find I'm almost instantly awake and can move fast. I'll sometimes make coffee (while I'm in the shower) to go but I'm not dawdling.

Of course, with the job I have now, this basically never happens because it doesn't matter when I show up, most days.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 12:17 PM
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Of course my hair is about 1/2 inch long.

That's the difference right there. If I don't wash my hair, I can get out the door in 10 minutes, 15 tops.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 12:18 PM
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Duh, you do all three simultaneously, then mash the crap down the drain with your feet. We've been over this previously.

Soupy calls this "making coffee in the shower".


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 12:18 PM
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I can get out fast, if I've really overslept and am in panic mode, but I usually don't shower then.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 12:19 PM
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109: Yeah, I wasn't suggesting it was magic or anything.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 12:19 PM
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You've got to brush your teeth for 2 minutes

BG, poster child for the ADA.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 12:19 PM
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110: Damn. Will all my efficiency secrets be revealed?


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 12:20 PM
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soup has magical hair!


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 12:20 PM
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You've got to brush your teeth for 2 minutes

BG, poster child for the ADA.

Well, what else is she going to do while sitting on the toilet.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 12:21 PM
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I used to be a lot faster at showering. Then I had a horribly low-pressure shower situation where it would take me 15 minutes just to rinse off, shampoo, etc cause it took so damn long. Then my shower got fixed, but I'd gotten so used to just standing there in the shower that now my whole routine is permanently lengthened.


Posted by: m. leblanc | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 12:22 PM
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BG, poster child for the ADA.

Hardly, I need to get back into flossing.

Well, what else is she going to do while sitting on the toilet.

I have an aversion to doing anything other than peeing or crapping on the toilet. Even the thought of reading at the same time bothers me.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 12:23 PM
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Jammies bought us one of those rain-forest shower heads that swivels out to the middle of the shower and has nice big droplets and I love it so, so much. (I don't shower in the morning, though.)


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 12:25 PM
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When I was a kid I used to be into flossing. Now I'm more into post-flossing. That stuff is really underground, ya know?


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 12:26 PM
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119: Showering together is not time-efficient, in my experience.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 12:27 PM
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According to my a friend of my brother's, the last stage of alcoholism ("water-head") leads to, among other things, the practice of eating hard-boiled eggs when sitting on the toilet. When he observed someone doing that, it was the last straw that made up his mind to get help and enter treatment.

Not a joke. True fact.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 12:28 PM
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You know what I hate? When you're feeling lousy enough that you don't want to do any work, but no so lousy that you didn't come in. Hence the auto-refresh on unfogged, I guess.
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Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 12:28 PM
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It's the main drag about long hair that it takes so damn long to dry: an hour is about the best I can do to shower and get out the door, and that's in a very efficient, no-nonsense kind of way. Hair gets washed every other day, therefore.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 12:31 PM
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119: Showering together is not time-efficient, in my experience.

But it delightfully offends Jammies' prudish younger sister!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 12:31 PM
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125. That's some prudish. When there were power shortages over here 30 years ago, there were Government advertisements saying "Save water, bath with a friend".


Posted by: OneFatEnglishman | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 12:35 PM
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Sometimes a shower together is just a shower. That can be efficient.


Posted by: Not Prince Hamlet | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 12:38 PM
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127: It can be, if the shower is big enough. But probably no more efficient than one at a time.

125 is excellent.

126: I tried that line once. Worked pretty well.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 12:41 PM
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I love the lazy, two-hours before I go in morning. When I had a job, I would get up at seven and make it in around 10, paper read, omelet made, putt puttered. Now that period extends into the middle of the afternoon. Cultivating the writer's discipline is a tricky thing, and I've found that writing with a partner helps a heckuva lot.


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 12:47 PM
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Even the thought of reading at the same time bothers me.

My goodness. You and I have totally opposite bathroom philosophies. When I run out of magazines, I start reading the backs of shampoo bottles.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 12:48 PM
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When I run out of magazines, I start reading the backs of shampoo bottles.

"Hmm, this one has sodium laureth sulfate, and this one has sodium lauryl sulfate. I wonder if those are the same thing? And what about sodium dodecyl sulfate?"


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 12:53 PM
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"And what's the difference between 'body' and 'volume' anyway?"


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 12:55 PM
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I am in the 130 camp. I am personally offended when people don't have reading material in their bathrooms. When I was growing up, my grandfather paid for a continuous subscription to Reader's Digest that my mom would have begged off but it made such good bathroom reading. When I had my first post-college apartment, my mom sent me a couple years' subscription as a lark.


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 12:55 PM
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I sometimes read Unfogged from the toilet, but I never comment because that would be impolite.


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 12:58 PM
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I really don't understand reading in the bathroom. I mean you can't read an entire article in one go unless it's pretty short. Do you just read snippets at a time?


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 12:59 PM
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135: I've never known a woman to do it, but I've known a few guys who could get quite a bit of reading done in the bathroom. I'm not sure if there is a biological explanation for this.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 1:01 PM
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The men's stalls here always have print-outs of daily fund industry news sheets come 10-10:30 am. I believe it's a couple of the sales guys who bring them in, but they keep getting picked up and read throughout the day. The occasional ESPN.com article printout isn't unusual either.

When you open the stall and find the tabloid-size local free daily tucked behind the seat, you know that a man of truly unusual gumption has recently dropped a deuce.


Posted by: Po-Mo Polymath | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 1:11 PM
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But it delightfully offends Jammies' prudish younger sister!

I realize that you are tiny, but if Jammie's sister is built like him, I fail to see how the three of you can fit.


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 1:12 PM
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135: We pretty much subscribe to Science News because it is great bathroom reading for that reason. Short little snippets, sometimes interesting.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 1:12 PM
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For me the desire to read on the can a consequence of a wish to remove my attention from the ugliness of my surroundings. We have a split bathroom with the smallest of toilet-closets, and as such, absent some reading material, time spent on the can is time spent staring at a white door while pondering the unpleasant smells that result from my bodily functions.


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 1:26 PM
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Commenting from the toilet is deeply satisfying.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 1:26 PM
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you can't read an entire article in one go

Unless it's a blog post, you mean.


Posted by: m. leblanc | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 1:28 PM
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Urinals with TVs mounted over them freak me out. Peeing, no SportsCenter!

Mirror TVs are freaky too. How long do you intend to stare at the mirror, exactly?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 1:31 PM
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Commenting from the toilet is deeply satisfying.

If you're telling you occasionally comment from elsewhere, I never want to be in your home.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 1:33 PM
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One learns so much about one's fellow commenters in these threads.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 1:41 PM
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144: well geez it's not like I'm fully submerged .


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 2:20 PM
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I haven't commented from the bathroom since my laptop died.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 2:25 PM
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I figured anyone commenting from the bathroom or reading blogs there must have a Blackberry or an iphone. Taking a laptop in would be cumbersome and make the trip that much longer. I mean, do you want to hang out in the bathroom?


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 2:29 PM
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"I haven't commented from the bathroom since my laptop died. We were on patrol near the sink. Charlie opened up out of nowhere. He took one meant for me. What a -- what a brave little soldier...." [sobs] "Damn you, LBJ!"


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 2:44 PM
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Apparently the thread has moved on, but:

1. As others have said, having a workout buddy is absolutely the most effective strategy. Nothing else, in my experience, is even close.

2. Speaking of which, if anyone is affiliated with NYU and wants to work out in the mornings, let me know.

3. Another idea: You could try that new website that lets you put up money to motivate yourself.


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148: depends if the Senator's there.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 5:20 PM
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Some people take a long time to poop. Others, I believe, have a kind of "read and let nature take its course" approach -- take one man, one novel, one toilet, and pants around the ankles, place them in a small room, and eventually shitting will come to pass.


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A tabloid survey reported that over a third of Czechs SMSd on the toilet. Probably Praguers, though.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 5:24 PM
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Now that nobody cares and we're talking about bathrooms, my contribution to the original problem: I fought the get-up-early-go-gym demon forever and I thought I'd never, never, slay it. And yet, here I am, going to the gym, or running, or to work early every morning now. For me it took a rather massive concerted effort involving: a social obligation (having to meet someone there and enduring grumpy looks and terse, insincere "no problems" if I was late), a monetary obligation (I had to buy coffee if I was late - hey, it adds up), a radical audit and rejiggering of my TERRIBLE sleep hygeine, a willingness to publicly use the term "sleep hygeine," an array of rewards made available if and only if I managed to get up in time, and a sort of composed accident whereby combining several forced early mornings with my usual late nights finally forced the issue of just giving up and going to bed early, and subsequently being able to sleep through the night for a change. Oh, also, 2 alarm clocks (a radio alarm set to a station that plays music you hate is quite effective), and a light on a timer hanging directly over the head-end of my bed (the onset of diffuse light sensed through closed eyelids contributes to calibrating circadian rhythms).

Since my first successful week, I've fallen off the horse a few times, and it's damnedably difficult to get back on, but not nearly as hard as the first time.


Posted by: iamnotcommentinggoddammit | Link to this comment | 03- 3-08 5:30 PM
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I am personally offended when people don't have reading material in their bathrooms.

i thought that's why cell phones have games.

Tetris is a fine laxative.


Posted by: cleek | Link to this comment | 03- 4-08 7:04 AM
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I mean, do you want to hang out in the bathroom?

I have three kids, BG. The bathroom is the only time I get to myself, other than the wee hours of the morning.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 03- 4-08 7:20 AM
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Fair enough, apo. But do the childless also enjoy the bathroom in this way?


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 03- 4-08 7:24 AM
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Also, my poo smells like roses.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 03- 4-08 7:32 AM
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The bathroom is the only time I get to myself

Cf. Portnoy's Complaint.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 03- 4-08 7:47 AM
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I really hope it's overrideable. . . . The new job is going to require early mornings.

My report is that it is overrideable, but that it takes something out of you, and never feels quite "right" (at least within the first year and a half).


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""And what's the difference between 'body' and 'volume' anyway?""

And why can't you find shampoo that just cleans your hair? I don't want body, volume, shine, or sleekness. I want clean hair.

"Others, I believe, have a kind of "read and let nature take its course" approach -- take one man, one novel, one toilet, and pants around the ankles, place them in a small room, and eventually shitting will come to pass."

That's me, that is. What's the rush? It's quality reading time.


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 03- 4-08 8:20 AM
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And why can't you find shampoo that just cleans your hair? I don't want body, volume, shine, or sleekness. I want clean hair.

Use a small quantity of cheap liquid dishwashing detergent. It's the same stuff without the smelly shit.


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My report is that it is overrideable, but that it takes something out of you, and never feels quite "right" (at least within the first year and a half).

Oof, not what I wanted to hear, especially after having an "Is this what I really want to do? Should I be working so seriously at my age? Maybe I could just quit and move to NYC and be a total Brooklyn hipster with four roommates for a bit while working a shitty 38 hours a week job?" kind of morning.

On the bright side, between finally adjusting to an early morning schedule, graduating with my MBA, and getting a six-week paid sabbatical in addition to my vacation time, my life is going to rule... in summer of 2009.


Posted by: Po-Mo Polymath | Link to this comment | 03- 4-08 8:52 AM
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Oof, not what I wanted to hear

Mileage varies, I'm sure.

I've always had the unfortunate combination of being very sensitive to amount and quality of sleep, and a slight tendency towards insomnia.

getting a six-week paid sabbatical in addition to my vacation time

!!!


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Mileage varies, I'm sure.

Yeah, I have an inclination to being a night person, but I get up at 5:30 now so I can go to the gym. It hasn't been much of a problem for me after the first week.


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