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That's just because you didn't see a bunch of "I Am Ogged" tattoos.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:39 AM
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Some of us are getting a little tired of the rampant anti-yakuza sentiment at Unfogged.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:42 AM
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I've seen a lot of great tattoos at the Baths. On the whole, I rather like them.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:44 AM
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I'm not a huge fan of tattoos, either, but what I find most remarkable is how common they now are. They're everywhere, and they seem to be less and less region or class linked. It's going to be so weird when, thirty years from now, the President has a full tattoo sleeve.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:47 AM
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Really? I think quite a lot of people have tattoos that suit them. Don't have any myself, but they can look good on other people.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:47 AM
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There are some pretty bad tattoos around, and an awful lot of mediocre ones. And there are really, really great ones too -- you were either unlucky or not paying attention.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:47 AM
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So Becks has a problem with Alamedia? What is the source of the bad blood?


Posted by: Will | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:55 AM
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I think you misunderstand this 'hiatus' thing.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:59 AM
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I agree that there are many "great tatoos" when judged as tatoo art, but I think that even most of those detract from the person's overall appearance.

And I am moved to repost one item from my stroll through the historical NY Times in pursuit of the doings of the English peerage and their American wannabes. (After the 4th Earl of Craven perished by way of falling off his yacht in the middle of the night in the Solent.)

In the police description of Lord Craven it was stated that his family crest was tatooed on his breast.

Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:00 AM
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Because of my very interesting but somewhat botched tattoo, except among family and old friends I seldom wear short-sleeved shirts.

Tattoos are the worst accessory, since they're always there. I wouldn't mind a nice set of special occasion tattoos that could be put on and taken off at will.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:00 AM
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7: Reused needles?


Posted by: Biohazard | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:02 AM
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Yeah, will. At you! I'm putting on a tattoo at you right now.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:02 AM
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People tend to be either prudes anti-tattoo or cool pro-tattoo by basic inclination. That's okay.

There are people who try to pull off the tattooed look who shouldn't. But I know a number of heavily-tattooed women who look simply fabulous for it. I couldn't, and wouldn't want to, imagine them any other way.


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:03 AM
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EPIC FAIL on the strikethrough. I'm not even going to try to fix that.


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:03 AM
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but I think that even most of those detract from the person's overall appearance.

I'd say most (well done) don't, and some definitely enhance. I'd agree some work better as art than adornment.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:05 AM
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I've pretty much decided that the one tattoo I've wanted to have for years isn't going to happen, because the artist I want to do it lives in Maine and I'm never going to go to Maine.

OTOH, I've been seriously thinking of getting something smaller and simpler, so you never know.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:06 AM
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Did you ever think that the tattoos weren't there purely for your aesthetic pleasure? Eh? Did you, Miss Privilegey McPrivilege? Eh? You didn't think about that did you? Eh?

Sometimes I wish I'd been born a woman, just for the humourless feminism. I think I'd be really good at it.

Then I remember I'm glad I wasn't, just because ... well, you know.


Posted by: dsquared | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:10 AM
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Because men are so fucking annoying, you mean?


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:14 AM
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sorry dear, do you mind? we're trying to have a serious conversation here.


Posted by: dsquared | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:15 AM
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Sometimes I wish I'd been born a woman, just for the humourless feminism.

Well, men can be humourless feminists too, you know.


Posted by: Mary Catherine | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:20 AM
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Aw, dsquared...don't be sad. You're perfectly humorless just the way you are!


Posted by: Merganser | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:22 AM
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I thought about getting a tattoo last summer, to commemorate something in a way that alluded to a couple of other things in a subtle way that perhaps I alone would find amusing, but the artist whom I consulted (at one of the hipper NYC tattoo studios) and I did not share an aesthetic, notwithstanding all the sketches, references and descriptions that I had provided. Frustrating.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:23 AM
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I don't think tattoos are meant to make someone look better, at least in the way we might mean that a hairstyle or tailored suit or some such is meant to make someone look better.

They are becoming very mainstream, and paradoxically mainstream as a way to make yourself edgy. Every third fratboy has a barbed wire (or Celtic knot if he's one-fourth Irish on his mother's side) around his bicep. Yes, you're edgy and unique, just like everyone else.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:25 AM
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The most amazing tattoos I've ever seen were full-back tattoos of the Virgin of Guadalupe on Mexican gangsters. Some think that these provide resistance to bullets. Mexican tattoos were the first ones I saw that featured a lot of green in addition to the blue and red. The ones I saw approached the high-art category. If I ever shoot one of those Mexican gangsters, I'll skin him and hang the Guadalupe on my wall.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:28 AM
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Hey, D2, while you're being humorless n shit, why don't you tell me what this shit means. Should I not be thinking of buying a house, or is massive debt a great idea right now, since the dollar's going to end up being worth about five cents in the near future?


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:29 AM
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I noticed in Barcelona last summer that there were not as many instances of displayed tattoos as in US cities. My wife and I started counting one day and came up with less than two per block. Are tattoos as common in other countries as they seem to be in the US?


Posted by: jamacker | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:31 AM
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John Emerson: down with the gente.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:31 AM
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25: I am sorry, but the fact that I am currently in the business of selling that sort of thing for money rather interferes with my ability to give it away for free. Didn't we have a thread on that sort of topic recently?

(page 79 of "Wall Street by Doug Henwood, refers).


Posted by: dsquared | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:34 AM
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25, etc.: Democrats have to make sure that they hang this one on Bush. Unless McCain wins (in which we willhave worse problems) the costs of the bailout will be paid under a Democratic administration. Someone has to start waving the bloody shirt.


Of course, as my informants in the party have pointed out, the Democrats are non-ideological, pragmatic technocrats. They couldn't wave a bloody shirt if you nailed it to their hands. So I expect a no-fault, bipartisan solution which leaves all the malefactors untouched.

It's important not to raise taxes, you know, because it will be the poor who suffer most. Especially inheritance taxes.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:37 AM
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I think Emerson should star in a heavily scripted reality TV show about a bounty hunter from Lake Wobegon who patrols the Mexican border.


Posted by: Mary Catherine | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:37 AM
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24: Japanese firefighters traditionally got large tattoos of particular heroes, in the belief that they would be protected from what you would expect firefighters to want protection from.

The University of Tokyo Pathology Department has a substantial collection of in situ tattoos, up to and including full body suits.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:37 AM
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Thinking about it a bit more, it really depends how you go about getting them.

From a looking-good-naked point of view, tattoos will need to be planned out with some sort of global aesthetic. This can be very effective, but also requires either fairly large pieces, or careful placement.

I guess I've known a fair number of people who've thought about it like that. Of course a lot of people don't get tattoos this way, and slapdash will not tend to end up with anything that works well together.

John, I've seen a number of pretty amazing back pieces elsewhere too. It gives you enough space to really work in some subtlety in the imagery. I don't have any (oddly enough, in a way) but if I did, that's probably what I'd do.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:38 AM
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a bounty hunter from Lake Wobegon who patrols the Mexican border

It could be called Rio Grande Walleye.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:39 AM
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It could be called Touch of Liver.


Posted by: slolernr | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:41 AM
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I retract that joke, because I don't want any Mexican gangsters coming after me with their Catholic cult magic, and also because I don't want to be recruited by the border-watch wackos. That joke is null, not funny, and as yet untold.

I just found out that Erdős has been stripped of all of his awards and degrees, because all of his proofs were done with the help of amphetamines.

Hundreds of theorems are invalid and will have to be reproved. A lot of important IT software will have to be taken out of use until the math has been brought up to code.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:49 AM
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But if I had the money and the bereaved family chose to auction it off. I'd bid on one of those tattoos in a New York minute.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:51 AM
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Erdős apparently never had sex in his entire life. That's punishment enough.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:02 PM
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The community was perhaps suprisingly understanding, if not exactly supportive, of his reliance on speed (and it was no secret). Most understood it was none of their business. A few people close to him were a bit worried about it I hear, but realized it wasn't out of control and he was happier on it, so no problem.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:05 PM
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I'd trade instantly.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:05 PM
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39: trade what?



Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:06 PM
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I think great tattoos tend to be great in context -- on some girl's neck at the bike shop, say, or on the arm that stamps your hand for a show. When you're on vacation you're out of your natural habitat and consequently your tattoo's going to look a bit stupider.

Also, the people who have the best tattoos seem to be the ones who give it a lot of thought and take the time to find a talented artist. These are people who live and work in places where tattoos are important and common. These also tend (in my experience) to be people who don't or can't afford to go places with water that are warm in March.

Finally, water-adjacent warm places tend to be full of this country's stupidest college students in mid-March, and that group is not known for their keen taste in anything -- especially not tattoos.

I say all this as someone who just yesterday got back from vacationing in a warm water-adjacent spot. And although I definitely didn't look good, I also wasn't sporting any bad-looking tattoos (I want to leave the door open to getting really, really fat).


Posted by: Tom | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:07 PM
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My whole sex life for being a math genius.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:10 PM
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Fair enough, JE, but maybe note that his peculiarities went well beyond celibacy. You'd have to give up having a home, cooking, money (for the most part), leisure, etc. etc. if you were trading with him.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:17 PM
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money s/b material goods in above.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:17 PM
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You don't understand me, SB. I'd love to have his life. Nobody can eat my cooking, for one thing.

The only problem is that I'm book-dependent the way mathematicians aren't.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:19 PM
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First a moratorium on facials, and now Becks is telling me my tattoo sucks.

This blog is getting to be a total buzzkill.

25: If d^2 won't give you free financial advice, I'm sure McManus will be here real soon now, and he'll be glad to help.


Posted by: zadfrack | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:21 PM
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McManus hasn't been seen in the last week or so. Maybe he read this article in which the New Republic passes along the Republicans' claims that Obama's mask of friendliness hides a steely and uncompromising partisan, and is now working for the Obama campaign.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:24 PM
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I've seen great tattoos, even tattoos that I thought made the owner look sexier. But more often than not, I prefer piercings. And at least you can remove a piercing when you get tired of it.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:24 PM
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Maybe he held that revolution he was always going on about.


Posted by: Alex | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:26 PM
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I'm starting to wonder if being into boys with tattoos isn't sort of like being into really well-dressed guys; just like the well-dressed man only dates well-dressed women, so the tattooed boy only sleeps with other tattooed people.

The one time I slept with a guy with a tattoo, there was also a girl with tattoos in bed with us, so I think I got access to things I otherwise wouldn't have.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:28 PM
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the fact that I am currently in the business of selling that sort of thing for money rather interferes with my ability to give it away for free

Huh. Never stopped me.

My whole sex life for being a math genius.

This sounds suspiciously like a scam.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:30 PM
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Becks, I completely disagree. As long as they're not completely lame, tattoos usually make people look sexier to me.

(And based on this observation, I am probably going to get my first tattoo in the next few months, if I can scrounge up some otherwise un-earmarked cash.)


Posted by: Bave Dee | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:30 PM
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I'll package up the sex life and send it to you gratis, B. To have and to hold.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:32 PM
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Or to put into the dumpster, if you so choose. I won't be hurt.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:32 PM
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50: A plausible theory. Investigation is called for.


Posted by: Bave Dee | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:34 PM
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50: What about really, really well dressed people with lots of tattooes? Not a completely academic question considering a woman I once knew instantiated that mix but had some troubles with confused suitors.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:34 PM
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45: Fair enough. He was the most focussed person I know of, making the extreme workaholics I've met seem like slackers in that regard. It would be a very different life.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:35 PM
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Huh. Never stopped me.

They didn't teach you that in business school though, did they?


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:36 PM
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Regarding the recession, I came home from college this week and found that my bagel had gone from $1.20 to $1.60 in a month. There was a petition on the counter for me to sign to the government. About the price of wheat.

This is feeling weirdly real.


Posted by: destroyer | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:39 PM
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I'll package up the sex life and send it to you gratis, B.

Don't give it away for free. See if you can't swap with Shearer first.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:42 PM
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I came home from college this week and found that my bagel had gone from $1.20 to $1.60 in a month.

When your bagel gets to $2.50, sell it! The government can't wait much longer than that to parachute in and change the incentives.


Posted by: Auto-banned | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:44 PM
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56: I didn't mean they're opposites, but that having a taste for well-dressed or tattooed people does me no good, not being particularly fashionable or tattooed myself. Of course, your friend may suffer from a sexual availability pool of dangerously small size.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:44 PM
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I just found out that Erdős has been stripped of all of his awards and degrees, because all of his proofs were done with the help of amphetamines.

So what? Should Hemingway be stripped of his Nobel because he was drunk all the time? I don't buy the argument that it's the same as steroids.

Hundreds of theorems are invalid and will have to be reproved.

Hasn't anyone ever double-checked them?


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:46 PM
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Kraab, your relativism is disgusting. You probably think Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame, and that Bonds is the all time home run champion, and that Pam Anderson has a great figure.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:48 PM
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When your bagel hits $2.50, I say we start rioting for bread, the cessation of the war, and for immediate and sweeping land reform.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:49 PM
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It's tough for writers nowadays to compete with those of the past, since we have to be nice and politic all the time to compete for grants and academic posts, and yet somehow maintain the fiery arrogance and exaggerated sense of self-importance that writers like Hemingway, Faulkner and Cheever could get so easily just by being drunk all the time. Their stats are definitely inflated.


Posted by: Jonathan Franzen | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:50 PM
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And Jim Thorpe. And the Black Sox. And Marion Jones. And Ben Johnson.

We can't have a double standard.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:51 PM
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66: You'd have been fine if you'd just been nicer to Oprah.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:51 PM
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I'm perplexed by most neck tattoos and by tattoos with words, especially surprising in a script the wearer can't read. Otherwise they're usually OK, unless they're aggressively dumb. Seattle seemed especially rich in neck tattoos. Where I live now, it's mostly tough looking hispanic chicks that sport them above the collar, rather than hipsters.

Gaston Julia lost his nose in his youth in WWI, and did not have his most brilliant work recognized as useful in his lifetime.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:52 PM
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62: I think the pool was small. She told me she was more interested in quantity than quality, so maybe it was ok.

She tended to dress professionally in ways that seemed almost Victorian, because she always had high collars and long sleeves. Mostly because she had tattooes that would otherwise be visible. I always wondered how many of her colleagues knew/guessed that she was covering up, rather than a fashion quirk.

63: I have no idea where John got that idea from. Nobody doubts the work in general, and everyone knew much of it was done on speed (in lieu of sleep, mostly)


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:54 PM
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Even the world of math is rotten. Our last best hope.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:56 PM
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White people like tattoos in Chinese script.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:56 PM
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69: In the south I notice a lot of upper chest textual tattooes on (young) women, but don't know if the shift was regional when I moved, or in time.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:56 PM
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59: See what havoc you're wreaking, meat eaters, by using all that grain to feed livestock? You're pricing poor destroyer out of his bagel!! Have pity on the lad.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:57 PM
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71: What's rotten about it? Mathematicians are pretty rational about this stuff. If the proofs work, do whatever helps you.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:57 PM
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70: Victorian, eh? That sounds intriguingly hot. Go on...


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:59 PM
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JE has clearly exceeded his limit in this thread.

And people wonder how the fisheries collapsed!


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 1:02 PM
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77 yeah, but it's too transparent not to play along.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 1:04 PM
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Don't give it away for free. See if you can't swap with Shearer first.

Y'know, I was gonna say something like, "why would I want your sex life, John?" but the prospect of getting *Shearer's* sex life makes John's look all bright and shiny.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 1:07 PM
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Mathematicians are pretty rational as given to backbiting and infighting as anyone else.

http://www.hanzismatter.com/ is devoted to illiterate Chinese on roundeyes.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 1:07 PM
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Tycho Brahe also lacked a nose, and it didn't slow him down. On the other hand, he owned the place.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 1:09 PM
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Mathematicians are pretty rational as given to backbiting and infighting as anyone else.

No, they are also as given to backbiting and infighting as anyone else. They're not going to give you shit about taking speed to prove theorems though.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 1:10 PM
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IOW, emphasis on about this stuff, not on pretty rational


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 1:11 PM
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Why shouldn't mathematicians be pee-tested, when everyone else is? Elitists.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 1:17 PM
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Surprisingly few people have been tempted to follow Erdos' example. His life sounds miserably unhappy to me.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 1:30 PM
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Is there evidence for unhappiness, besides the weirdness?


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 1:32 PM
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Not that I know of. I'm just imagining if I had that life. He seems like a man totally and involuntarily in the grip of an obsession, an obsession only made worse by meth. If you thought only one thing mattered and was worth doing, whether or not it made you happy wouldn't really be a relevant consideration, would it?


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 1:36 PM
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85: I don't think so at all. I think he found his niche, it just isn't one that would work for very many people. One nice thing about academia: it and the people in it were flexible enough to make a space for someone like him that allowed him to be very productive and cushioned him from all the social constructions that he had no time for.

I don't think it's a matter of `tempted to follow'. Like a few others, he could be no other way. If he wasn't a research mathematician, he probably would have been institutionalized.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 1:37 PM
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87: we cross posted. You're right that the typical consideration of `happy' probably isn't a good place to start with someone like him. Contrariwise, there are plenty of obsessive people in our culture who are far more constrained than he was.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 1:39 PM
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51: This is true. B seems very willing to give pedantry and didacticism away for free.

41 says pretty much everything that needs to be said about this thread, pre-thread drift. My social circle is very overrun with the sort of interesting, thoughtful, aesthetics-attuned people that get good tattoos, and so I know a lot of people with great looking ink that makes them look even hotter.


Posted by: NBarnes | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 1:52 PM
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I notice a lot of upper chest textual tattooes on (young) women

Napi, I think you are honor-bound to fight soup.


Posted by: Will | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 2:04 PM
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Gaston Julia lost his nose in his youth in WWI, and did not have his most brilliant work recognized as useful in his lifetime.

Christ. One damn thing after another.


Posted by: mcmc | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 3:31 PM
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"How did he smell?"


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 4:00 PM
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"Y'know, I was gonna say something like, "why would I want your sex life, John?" but the prospect of getting *Shearer's* sex life makes John's look all bright and shiny."

Well B, I am not wildly enthused about getting your mathematical ability either.


Posted by: James B. Shearer | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 4:38 PM
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That's funny.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 4:40 PM
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"Surprisingly few people have been tempted to follow Erdos' example. His life sounds miserably unhappy to me."

I think there have been other mathematicians who used amphetamines. Most people would not find the rest of his life tempting.


Posted by: James B. Shearer | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 4:41 PM
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91: Why?


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 4:42 PM
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Don't ask, soup. This is the Thunderdome. Two men enter! One man leaves! Two men enter! One man leaves!


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 5:00 PM
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sweet!


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 5:03 PM
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99: Yes, and a good opportunity look up Tina Turner's skirt while you're in there.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 5:13 PM
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To combine two themes in this thread: A math tattoo.


Posted by: DominEditrix | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 5:32 PM
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Nerd tattoo. Math is safer, less chance of getting deprecated during your lifetime.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 5:39 PM
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I once saw a guy in St. Louis with a prominent forearm tattoo of the golden ratio to four significant figures (1.618).


Posted by: Merganser | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 5:47 PM
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Biophysicist's phoenix tattoo.


Posted by: DominEditrix | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 5:48 PM
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anyone know what that is in 101?


Posted by: ninjaphilosopher | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 5:49 PM
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More science tattoos


Posted by: Old Zippy | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 5:51 PM
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106: Fourier transform.


Posted by: DominEditrix | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 5:51 PM
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Biophysicist's phoenix tattoo.

I didn't know that Phoenixes had hair.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 5:55 PM
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I can't help but think that the people with tattoos dating people without tattoos breaks down once one is talking about nerd tattoos. I'm definitely a non-tattoo person but I dated a musician with a treble clef on her left wrist and a bass clef on her right. It was both awesome and hot.


Posted by: ninjaphilosopher | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 5:55 PM
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That is hot.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 6:01 PM
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108: Only in winter.


Posted by: DominEditrix | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 6:05 PM
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I don't think that there are any cool philosophy tattoos equivalent to the treble/bass tattoos. Or the science tattoos for that matter.


Posted by: ninjaphilosopher | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 6:08 PM
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Looking at the link in 106, I have to say that getting a biohazard symbol as a tattoo strikes me as a profoundly stupid idea.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 6:09 PM
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I don't think that there are any cool philosophy tattoos equivalent to the treble/bass tattoos

You could get, um, a φ tattoo?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 6:10 PM
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I think I've mentioned this before, but my brother has a tattoo on his forearm of a heart bearing the words "Your Mom".


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 6:12 PM
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And a Chi, one could reference philosophy, and the other Merleau-Ponty! Its brilliant! And kind of dumb.


Posted by: ninjaphilosopher | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 6:13 PM
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115: Stanley, that's great. But does he go to bars in long sleeved shirts, and then after a largish number of beers, start rolling up his sleeve at people in a meaningful way? Because that would be better still.


Posted by: mcmc | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 7:21 PM
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There are various Greek words and phrases that might work as philosophy tattoos. Just don't misspell them.


Posted by: Merganser | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 7:43 PM
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A tattoo of undetached rabbit parts, perhaps?


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 7:49 PM
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112: Removing the requirement for coolness, there's this one.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 8:02 PM
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120 should be an up arrow, followed by "ergo" followed by a down arrow.

Like the shirt apo wears.k


Posted by: Auto-banned | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 8:25 PM
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I was just going to defend that nerd tattoos were by definition cool, but the tattoo in 120 is definitely not cool.


Posted by: ninjaphilosopher | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 8:36 PM
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I looked for an image of a duck-rabbit tattoo, but I couldn't find one. Maybe, the rabbit would be cool, but not the duck.


Posted by: Old Zippy | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 8:43 PM
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Presumably it would depend how you looked at it.


Posted by: ninjaphilosopher | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 8:44 PM
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But does he go to bars in long sleeved shirts, and then after a largish number of beers, start rolling up his sleeve at people in a meaningful way?

He hasn't been beaten up for it yet, so I'm going to guess: no. But I'll suggest it!


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 8:49 PM
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A chemist girlfriend of mine got a pretty cool and subtle alchemical symbol tattoo. I can't find it though, as I only remember the symbol, not what it was for.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 8:53 PM
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Sublimation, I think.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 8:56 PM
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Happy St. Patrick's Day!


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 8:56 PM
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95: And sexist. What does Shearer know about my mathematical ability?


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 8:57 PM
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126: Is it the tattoo that is subtle or is it the alchemical symbol?


Posted by: ninjaphilosopher | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 8:58 PM
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In my teen-angst years, I had plans to get a barcode tattoo, probably on my foot, but I wanted it to be actually scan-able, and (1) I couldn't figure out if this would ever really work, (2) I couldn't figure out what product to have it scan as, and (3) I realized it was a dumb idea.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 8:59 PM
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129: what do you know about his sex life?


Posted by: water moccasin | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 9:00 PM
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I suppose that only teenagers think that the embracing of Big Brother is a cool idea.


Posted by: ninjaphilosopher | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 9:00 PM
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130: Both.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 9:01 PM
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131: 1) It would work just fine, it's the relative width of the bars that matter. 2) You could scan to any text you want 3) probably.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 9:02 PM
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What makes an alchemical symbol subtle? Maybe because no one has heard of it?


Posted by: ninjaphilosopher | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 9:08 PM
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132: Fair enough.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 9:09 PM
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Fourier transform by itself seems a bit weak.

I did know someone who was going to get this one done, which is probably a bit too clever:

int_1^(3^1/3) z^2 dz cos(3 pi/9) = ln(e^1/3)

It's harder to see with ascii notation. If you've never run into it before, try reading out loud ... would have been better timed yesterday. Now I can't remember who came up with that first.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 9:17 PM
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136: I just mean subtle in that it looked to most people just like a little shape, about an inch wide, and didn't beg to be asked about the way, say, one of those dorky Chinese tattoos does.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 9:19 PM
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gotcha


Posted by: ninjaphilosopher | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 9:21 PM
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gah. `ln'. I've clearly been teaching too much calc I.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 9:26 PM
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Oh! And this one has a pretty pearl necklace in it.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 9:29 PM
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Oh shit, wrong thread.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 9:29 PM
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There are people who can DO tattoos and people who cannot. Same as it is for hats. I can tell almost everything I need to know about you based on your hat and tat, or lack thereof. To my sorrow, I am one of those who can do neither of them.


Posted by: Peppi Orgon | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 9:30 PM
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I can tell almost everything I need to know about you based on your hat and tat, or lack thereof

Can you do Physiognomy too?


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 9:32 PM
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131: I had the same plan, Stanley! It was going to scan to hamburger. But then I, too, realized it was a dumb (and apparently not very original) idea. Sometimes I still want to get a life-size fetus tattooed on my stomach, but the urge goes away pretty quickly.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 9:32 PM
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Or Phrenology, surely?


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 9:33 PM
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I can't either. I've long thought about getting a tattoo, but you're probably right; it would look as dumb as me as a hat would. It's like when I buy cute fashionable clothes, and look like a nerdy chick wearing a Cute-Fashionable costume.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 9:33 PM
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The nursing homes of 2050 will be full of tattoed wrinkled people, shuffling slowly down the corridors.

Human bodies are mysterious and intriguing products of nature, while human communication is for the most part obvious and full of cliches. Tattooing is like spray-painting graffiti in a forest. It's only a matter of time until we'll be undressing lovers to find logos from major corporations or political campaigns permanently engraved on their asses. Mass culture annexes more territory.

The thing about Erdos's life is that he was respected and admired everywhere he went, just for indulging his own private obsession. People always wanted to talk to him about his favorite hobby. Those things seem even more satisfying than sex or material possessions.


Posted by: PerfectlyGoddamnDelightful | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:01 PM
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I mentioned my daughter's upper chest Vonnegut tattoo before -- on account of which I'm obligated to disapprove of all tattoos for the forseeable future. I've only had a quick glimpse, but it's hard to disapprove of the hand and wrist henna tattoos


Posted by: Nápi | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:04 PM
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i get hives just drinking pepsi, so tattooes are not for me, the skin under some tattooes look red, inflamed, must be painful
144 it's örgön if you'd like and means broad, like in 'broad street', avenue
though whatever, it's not my nickname


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:06 PM
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Sometimes I still want to get a life-size fetus tattooed on my stomach, but the urge goes away pretty quickly.

Apo, this is the tattoo you want.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:11 PM
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The New Republic = Unfogged

Tuesday's online articles:

'Stuff White People Like' Just Isn't That Funny

Should Chuck Hagel Be Barack Obama's Secretary of Defense?


Posted by: lurker | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:13 PM
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For all its flaws, "Stuff White People Like" is still a hell of a lot funnier than the New Republic.


Posted by: PGD | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:19 PM
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154: You'd think "stuff white people hate just to be contrarian" would be huge.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:20 PM
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Why is henna for body art illegal in the U.S.? Many of my students get henna tattoos around holidays, and I didn't realize this was a controlled substance. Seems stupid, and hard to regulate, since it's legal for hair dye.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:27 PM
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It's only a matter of time until we'll be undressing lovers to find logos from major corporations

The future is now, PGD.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:27 PM
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The New Republic = Unfogged

Not until they start hating Krauthammer.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 03-18-08 6:45 AM
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Apo, you should upgrade, and get the Constellation logo.


Posted by: Nápi | Link to this comment | 03-18-08 6:57 AM
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I've got some ideas.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 03-18-08 7:17 AM
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Why is henna for body art illegal in the U.S.?

It is? That's both insane and racist. Have you ever attended a Hindu wedding?


Posted by: OneFatEnglishman | Link to this comment | 03-18-08 7:17 AM
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156: Is it? I can buy henna on the internet.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 03-18-08 7:22 AM
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That's both insane and racist.

Alas, neither of those qualities is inconsistent with something being the public policy of the United States of America, cf. the crack / powder cocaine sentencing disparity.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 03-18-08 7:23 AM
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161: I think it has to do with additives that often appear in henna. There's an overview here


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 03-18-08 7:27 AM
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Henna is approved for hair coloring, but not for skin application. However, it doesn't seem to be enforced much if at all, since I see henna tattoo booths at street fairs all the time.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 03-18-08 7:28 AM
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161: Hair henna and skin henna are the same plant. I think the deal is that the FDA has approved it for putting on one's hair, but not one's skin. That doesn't mean you can't buy it.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 03-18-08 7:30 AM
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FDA website has this to say about henna:

Except for color additives, FDA does not have the authority to approve cosmetic products or ingredients, although the use of several substances in cosmetics is prohibited or restricted due to safety concerns. However, if the safety of the product or its ingredients has not been substantiated, the product is misbranded--and therefore illegal in interstate commerce--if it does not have this warning on the label: "Warning-The safety of this product has not been determined."

Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 03-18-08 7:31 AM
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The FDA doesn't approve cosmetic stuff. It's not its job, which is why any old cosmetic cream can call itself organic or natural or magic and vitamins carry little labels about not being substantiated.

The nasty chemical in cheap black henna has been banned because it can cause scarring, but that doesn't seem insane.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 03-18-08 7:43 AM
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That's weird, because the wikipedia page for henna specifically says that henna for body art is illegal and often seized. And yeah, it's totally racist and ridiculous.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 03-18-08 7:50 AM
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Is it still legal to use a ball point pen to make a tattoo while you are in class?


Posted by: Will | Link to this comment | 03-18-08 7:55 AM
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Wikipedia:

The United States Food and Drug Administration has not approved henna for direct application to the skin. It is unconditionally approved as a hair dye, and can only be imported for that purpose.[10] Henna imported into the USA which appears to be for use as body art is subject to seizure, and at present it is illegal to use henna for body art in the U.S.,[11] though prosecution is rare.

It says it's "subject" to seizure, which is different from every actually being seized. It's sold quite openly all over the city.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 03-18-08 7:55 AM
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Is it still legal to use a ball point pen to make a tattoo while you are in class?

As long as you aren't writing the answers on the back of your hand.

Anyway, haven't you heard about the one kid who wrote on himself with a ballpoint pen and got blood poisoning and died? I think he was related to the other kid whose stomach exploded after he ate three bags of Pop Rocks and then drank a Coke.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 03-18-08 8:00 AM
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At my son's summer league swim meets, almost every kid has something like "Eat my bubbles!" written in black permanent marker on their back.

They didnt like me running around shouting, "You are all going to die from blood poisoning!!!!!"


Posted by: Will | Link to this comment | 03-18-08 8:03 AM
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I heard he wrote on his stomach with a ballpoint pen filled with pop rocks and coke. Then ate an M-80. That's what I heard.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-18-08 8:03 AM
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Spider eggs must figure in there somewhere.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 03-18-08 8:04 AM
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I used to walk beside my son, shouting "HA!!! You stepped on a crack. You must want to break your mother's back!"

Ah, the good old days.


Posted by: Will | Link to this comment | 03-18-08 8:07 AM
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almost every kid has something like "Eat my bubbles!" written in black permanent marker on their back.

Thus does the militarization of American culture filter down to the grade school cohort.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 03-18-08 8:08 AM
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If henna is subject to seizures perhaps it should be taking medication.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 03-18-08 8:09 AM
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You must want to break your mother's back

Projection, I presume.


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