Re: Commercial

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Is swimming marketed at all? Ouside of the jingoistic Olympic spectacle, which is about medals, not beef (or cheese) cake. If Americans didn't clean up, swimming would get as much airtime as rhythmic gymnastics.


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 5:14 PM
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Forget swimming; what business in the US advertises that they've got a long way to go, they're getting back to basics, and they're listening, and cutting the crap, but they know talk is cheap?


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 5:15 PM
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Swimming as such isn't marketed, but swimmers are used in ads; think of Michael Phelps for ATT and Visa during the last Olympics, or Amanda Beard for godaddy.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 5:15 PM
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You just think you can be as gay as you want now that you have a girlfriend, don't you?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 5:19 PM
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Are you scared of naked men, Tweety?


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 5:23 PM
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Punish the Cock.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 5:24 PM
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You just think you can be as gay as you want now that you have a girlfriend, don't you?

A girlfriend that he met while swimming. You would expect that this would give him a reason to try to run as far as possible with the "swimmers are sexy" line.

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I just wanted to note my surprise at seeing a totally reasonable and cogent comment by James B. Shearer

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Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 5:25 PM
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Dude, just write Haunts of the Black Masseur 2: The Quickening and be done with it.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 5:30 PM
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Like wrestlers, swimmers are extremely sexy, to the right person.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 5:30 PM
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Is this commercial posited as an example of sensual/sexy or beefcake? It strikes meas totally sensual and hott. That's what I'm supposed to be getting, yes?


Posted by: Sybil Vane | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 5:31 PM
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I have to say that i don't find Shearer nearly so deserving of universal scorn and mockery as everyone else seems to do. his comments have seemed to gone through some sort of mellowing process, at this very least. anyway, i wouldn't be sad to see people being a little less mean to him.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 5:32 PM
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And weightlifters. Also sexy to some.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 5:33 PM
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i also have to say that i'm totally disappointed that "the haunt of the black masseur" appears not to be a pr0n book erotica.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 5:35 PM
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A girlfriend that he met while swimming.

Which is why it's perfect!


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 5:35 PM
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ogged, you mean swimming isn't portrayed as sensual and sexy, not that swimmers aren't, surely.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 5:35 PM
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13: It's pretty good, though.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 5:36 PM
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Do you like gladiator movies, Emerson?


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 5:37 PM
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That's what I'm supposed to be getting, yes?

Correct.

ogged, you mean swimming isn't portrayed as sensual and sexy, not that swimmers aren't, surely.

Both. Swimming isn't, and swimmers are just beefcake, but not, say, lithe or graceful.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 5:39 PM
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Post-graduation, I was told by a (male) fellow high-school swim team member that our (dickish) coach intentionally made a rather buxom and not-very-talented chick swim backstroke always so he and the boys could watch her jiggle. So swimming can also totally be sexy because your stroke sucks in such a way that your tits bounce around!


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 5:42 PM
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Sports marketing is odd. Nike use I/ ngrid G/ raziani in France.

http://file042a.bebo.com/9/large/2008/02/22/16/4016623323a6965320553l.jpg

But the Nike video ad with her in it shows absolutely nothing of her actual sport.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 5:42 PM
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Tarzan and Jane as sensual swimmers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNGXdw2_6DM&NR=1


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 5:42 PM
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I just don't know if swimmers 'are portrayed' in enough of a mainstream consistent way for there to be a 'way' they are portrayed. My own stereotyped notion of swimmers comes only from personal experience, and I definitely think lithe.


Posted by: Sybil Vane | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 5:43 PM
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18: They're not, usually, out of the water.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 5:46 PM
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I definitely think lithe.

Oh yes. That's what I think because I dated them and *sigh* water polo players in high school.

PS: The dreamy star swimmer of my mad desires showed up in my mother's office recently as an office supply salesman.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 5:46 PM
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I dated an especially lithe swimmer in college. So he had the body type part, but was totally herky jerky in his movements, which works against my stereotyped notion of swimmers as graceful. But he was gay, as it turns out, so I might be unfairly extrapolating from his makeout approach. To me.


Posted by: Sybil Vane | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 5:50 PM
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24.last is an early candidate for "Dear Mineshaft Forum..."


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 5:52 PM
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26: Oh nonono. I hope never to see him again. I need him frozen in time: "To an Athlete Dying Young," "A Shropshire Lad," and all that.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 5:57 PM
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11 i like how he can stay always calm however mocked and different povs are always interesting to read
i liked the colour, emerald blue in the CM


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 5:58 PM
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Dear pinko blogger:

I do not know what kind of communist conspiracy vimeo is, but would you please cut it out? When you post videos, please in addition to embedding them, put in a link to the normal Amurrican YouTube otherwise I cannot watch the pr0n technically fascinating kinescopic imagery of swimming on my cell phone.

Yours ever,

A Loyal Commenter


Posted by: slolernr | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 6:04 PM
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Doesn't Ogged weigh like 127 lbs at 6 feet? He thinks that he's lithe, but he's actually emaciated.


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 6:09 PM
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No, he's fat now.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 6:11 PM
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Did anyone notice that Jackmormon just stopped using capital letters all of a sudden? Jeez, what a jerk.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 6:12 PM
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more emerald green, nice
just it took so long to see the first one
i'll watch the next one at home i guess


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 6:14 PM
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31: Nooooo! Seriously -- I wouldn't let my mother tell me anything about him. Sheesh, where's WWI when you need it?


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 6:18 PM
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Okay, I'm lost.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 6:21 PM
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Okay, I'm lost.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 6:21 PM
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what business in the US advertises that they've got a long way to go, they're getting back to basics, and they're listening, and cutting the crap, but they know talk is cheap? ,i/>

I predict that banks rescued by the coming bailout will use this sort of marketing ploy. "We've learned our lesson. Give us what is left of your money. Really, it'll be OK".


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 6:22 PM
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35/36: Hee! This is what happens when one decides to start drinking the bottle of rosé champagne in one's fridge while grading papers. Uh, I thought you were responding to my 27 which proves me (1) vain and (2) semi-literate. Maybe a little drunk too.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 6:25 PM
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So your mother didn't meet ogged, right? And they weren't in WWI? I was getting there understanding how that happened, I really was. Maybe I need to start drinking.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 6:27 PM
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oudemia is refering to her former crush (24). Sifu refers to ogged. Neither have died young, and so must swell the rout of lads that wore their honours out.


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 6:29 PM
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It is soothing.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 6:29 PM
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Sifu of course had no honour to begin with, so he's safe.


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 6:30 PM
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40: tis so. iambically.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 6:31 PM
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Ninja have no use for honor. We stake our fortunes on low cunning, quick steel, and icy blackness. And I guess weed.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 6:32 PM
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44: If I knew the singular of ronin, I would totally comment now.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 6:36 PM
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45: Roner.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 6:37 PM
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45: Isn't it "ronin"?


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 6:38 PM
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Are you ronery, Sifu? Maybe Team America can help. Fuck yeah!


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 6:39 PM
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No, seriously. Now I want to know. Gaijin Biker? Someone who knows something?
46/47: Which of you is being serious?


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 6:40 PM
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45: Isn't it "ronin"?

According to Frank Miller, yes


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 6:41 PM
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Wikipedia says:

"A ronin (浪人, rōnin?) was a samurai with no lord or master during the feudal period (1185-1868) of Japan. A samurai became masterless from the ruin or fall of his master (as in the case of death in a war), or after the loss of his master's favor or privilege.

"The word rōnin literally means 'drifting person'. The term originated in the Nara and Heian periods, when it referred to a serf who had fled or deserted his master's land. It then came to be used for a samurai who had lost his master."


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 6:42 PM
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Ah, so, sexy commercial. Possibly anything can be made sexy if you slow it down enough, add gorgeous color and sound. Golf? Hockey? Sumo wrestling?

Thumb wrestling?


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 6:42 PM
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Right, right. A roner is what a ronin carries. In his pants.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 6:43 PM
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Maybe Team America can help. Fuck yeah!

As long as I'm being a comic book geek, for me "Team America" always refers to this Team America.


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 6:44 PM
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50: Who better to look to for Japanese language instruction than the author of the goddamn Batman?


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 6:44 PM
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52: sexy.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 6:44 PM
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Thanks!


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 6:44 PM
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Yes, one of the interesting parts of Japanese is that plurals are only used when absolutely necessary (and even then, only words denoting people can be pluralized). "Ronin" can be singular or plural as you please, just like "samurai".


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 6:45 PM
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every ronin is a ronin alone


Posted by: felix | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 6:49 PM
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ninja, on the other hand, are a kind of swarm animal, like bees


Posted by: felix | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 6:49 PM
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plurals samuraigata, ronintachi iirc
like in senseigata, gakuseitachi


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 6:49 PM
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59: What about the Seven Samurai?


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 6:50 PM
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Michael Phelps may have nice deltoids, but the pin head is not working well for him. I think the director of that ad agrees with me.

32.---Now that they've talked me out of thinking my finger broken, the bastards, I suppose I no longer hafve an alibi.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 6:51 PM
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ninja i believe will become ninjara
like in yatsura? ok, i'll ask my coworker later


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 6:52 PM
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61: Yes, and "-ra" is also an option. But all of these forms are rather awkward compared to Indo-European plurals and are used much less often. (Context helps too: Seven Samurai = Shichinin no Samurai.)


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 6:52 PM
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65 true, i just wrote plural forms
so you were talking about use of plurals?
should read upthread first


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 6:55 PM
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I always figured it was "ninjæ" or "ninjers".


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 6:55 PM
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Of course, I suppose one of the signal virtues of Toshiro Mifune in his historical roles is his solitude, whether angry, in Seven Samurai, or sardonic, in Yojimbo and Sanjuro.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 6:57 PM
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The dreamy star swimmer of my mad desires showed up in my mother's office recently as an office supply salesman.

Come the end of the world as we know it, I'll bet your swimmer-salesman becomes a mad successful warlord.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 6:57 PM
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how englishcentric
then our version sounds cool too, ninjanuud
actually used plural form, uu pronounced like oo in tooth


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 6:58 PM
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68: or virginal, in Shogun of Harvard.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 6:59 PM
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A ronin stoned gathers no boss.


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 6:59 PM
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"Ninja nude"? He can't be much of a ninja then.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 6:59 PM
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on second thought latin it was


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 6:59 PM
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62: What about the Seven Samurai?

Don't confuse the issue with a lot of Japanese nonsense, Flippanter.

I'm talking about proper ronin, in american comic books.


Posted by: felix | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 7:00 PM
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73: Or she's the best ninja ever.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 7:00 PM
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ninjachid then


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 7:01 PM
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75: Do the Dark Horse printings of Lone Wolf and Cub count?


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 7:01 PM
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78: i don't know

is Wolverine in them?


Posted by: felix | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 7:03 PM
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73: I mean, obviously I had to google that, and just as obviously it's not safe for work.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 7:03 PM
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So what's the deal here, anyway? Ogged is miffed that swimming has been given short shrift in the marketplace in re: sexiness, for he would like to model Speedos, write copy, or pick up some side work in the graceful and lithe department. So cute.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 7:04 PM
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79: Wolverine's in everything. Everything. Next week he's reviewing the revival of Gypsy


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 7:06 PM
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You must mean the guy who played Wolverine in the movie

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0413168/

Loved him in "Boy fom Oz"


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 7:09 PM
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Wolverine's in everything.

Wolverine worked at my firm for six months last year

he just showed up in the secretarial pool one day, and hung around chainsmoking cigars in the conference rooms and telling everyone who'd listen to him what a loner he was

it's sad really, I think he just wants to be included

true story!


Posted by: felix | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 7:11 PM
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Boy, that is one strange google search.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 7:11 PM
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83: Wow, X-Men Origins: Wolverine is currently filming? I confess I once had far too many X-Men comics.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 7:18 PM
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OT Bleg: (Really, how on topic is this thread?) I printed out a Rolling Stone article and now notice that the text on the right hand side has been cut off, though interestingly the ads were not cut off.

I clicked on the "Make Printer Friendly" option. Interestingly it came out on 7 pages when I just printed it. Just now, I printed it by saving it as a pdf (since I don't have a printer connected to this computer), and it's supposedly only 6 pages. Is there a better way to do this. I need to mail it to someone without internet access who will need all the citation information.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 7:24 PM
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11: Likewise -- for someone who appears to comment here largely to find points of disagreement, Shearer could be much worse. He's occasionally got a solid point, and more often at least finds a genuine weak point (not necessarily unfixable, but weak) in whatever he's picking at. And every so often, as in the linked comment, he's squarely right about something.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 7:29 PM
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our (dickish) coach intentionally made a rather buxom and not-very-talented chick swim backstroke always so he and the boys could watch her jiggle. So swimming can also totally be sexy because your stroke sucks in such a way that your tits bounce around!

I'm going to trot that story out the next time I hear anyone aver that Title IX never accomplished anything worthwhile.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 04- 2-08 9:02 PM
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