Re: Shiny = Unhappy People

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My new laptop has a shiny screen, and I was shocked to find that it doesn't bother me. CA tried to show me how annoying such screens are by making it catch glare in various ways, and it just wouldn't. So maybe mine is special and new and improved.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 5:55 AM
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Shiny screens don't bother me, but I am currently looking for an ultralight, low-cost laptop, and you wouldn't believe how picky I am about keyboards. Ugh.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 6:27 AM
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1: My experience as well (and I was very skeptical), I think they have improved over the last several years. Last laptop ordered in the family, over my misgivings, was a shiny (I think it was either cheaper or a better available size or something). It has subsequently been used outside and in a variety of light conditions and has done just fine.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 6:32 AM
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2: Crampy keyboards are the worst.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 6:33 AM
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ultralight, low-cost

It's mostly one or the other, isn't it?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 6:40 AM
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Mostly, but there's a few options.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 6:41 AM
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I have occasionally mused on getting an EEE. I'm not sure if the small screen res would be deal-breaker, though. Although the newly announced larger EEE might work.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 6:43 AM
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I've been intrigued by the EEE, but I'm trying to get my hands on one so I can see what the keyboard is like. And the HP 2133 is going to be 9'' with a nearly full-size keyboard and it launches next week.

I have a laptop now, and it's okay, except that it's nearly eight pounds which doesn't sound like much but is a pain.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 6:49 AM
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Yeah, the 9" EEE is more interesting to me than the 7. They do seem, from playing with one in a shop, to have quite small keyboards, but I'm not sure if that'd be a deal breaker for me.

The HP looks nice in pictures.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 6:52 AM
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Obligatory MacBook Air sales pitch.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 7:23 AM
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Don't have two grand lying around. A friend has one though, and damn.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 7:24 AM
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I thought they were only one grand?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 7:25 AM
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From $1799, says Apple.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 7:28 AM
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I thought wrong, in that case.

They are awesome, though.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 7:28 AM
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I do strongly recommend test-driving the EEE before buying. An acquaintance got tasked with using one for a few days to review it for future use in his workplace and IIRC one reason he recommended against it was the keyboard. I just emailed him to get his random-ass opinion.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 7:37 AM
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Yeah, the trouble is finding one to play with. Best Buy is supposed to have them this week, but they apparently operate according to the policy that if they actually tell people when products will be in store, they might purchase them.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 7:45 AM
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... and then they wouldn't be in store anymore.


Posted by: slolernr | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 7:48 AM
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Exactly!


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 7:48 AM
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14: They are awesome, though.

Who wouldn't want one, they can fit inside manila envelopes!


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 8:17 AM
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When I first saw one in person, my excitement and amazement of being able to actually put it in a manila envelope was way greater than I had expected.

I mean, not $1800 greater, but damn. Those things are cool.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 8:25 AM
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Plus, you can get a manila envelope sleeve for it.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 8:27 AM
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That was indeed a smart demonstration by Apple, because that was my reaction, too. "Quick, let's get a manila envelope from the secretary! Let's put it in!"

Of course, Bluemchen, $1800 is too expensive, especially when one has research assistants to haul around one's desktop and clean beach sand from its ports.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 8:28 AM
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That Timbuk2 sleeve is super obnoxious.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 8:56 AM
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As an AAAS member, I get discounts at the Apple store (5-10%, $100 on an Air.) However, they never actually verify that I'm a member, so I think anyone can use it.
Depending on your state sales tax, you may be better off buying through Amazon, where the sales tax savings is more than the Apple store discount. Of course, you all did report your tax-free internet purchases and paid state sales tax when you filed yesterday, right?


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 9:01 AM
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22: It's tough though when Blume keeps sloshing her maitai onto the keyboard. Lucky for her she is rich and can just keep getting new ones.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 9:04 AM
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I just bought a blackberry and a 500G external hard drive!! Yea for me!!


Posted by: Will | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 9:08 AM
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26: Seems like lugging around that big drive would obviate the portability of the Blackberry.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 9:13 AM
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Lucky for her she is rich and can just keep getting new ones

And beautiful, so sometimes the clerks don't even make her pay for them.


Posted by: KR | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 9:13 AM
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500Gs of Dead, JRoth!!! 500Gs of Dead.


Posted by: Will | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 9:14 AM
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Don't be ridiculous, KR. She doesn't descend to go to the store. She sends one of her RAs.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 9:14 AM
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On the original topic: my recollection is that Apple resisted the glossy screens for a long time, and only switched a year or so ago.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 9:14 AM
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29: So that's like, what? One noodly Jerry solo?

I mock because I love. Not your or the Dead, of course. My sister. Who became a big Deadhead (OK, not follow-the-band big) after I gave her tix for her birthday some 20 years ago - what a good kid brother am I.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 9:17 AM
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29: I think Will is the pseud of one of my brothers -- so many shows, so many patchouli-scented hard drives.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 9:20 AM
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31: I think Macs let you pick glossy or matte? On most of the laptops, anyway. The Air is glossy only.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 9:21 AM
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I don't have a strong perference, but what is alleged to be the virtue of the glossy screens?


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 9:30 AM
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I'm pretty sure it's only the MBP that gives you the matte option. Maybe the black MB, too.

I prefer matte, too, but in practice all laptop screens suck so badly in bright situations that I don't think it matters too much.

I don't understand why this is the case, either -- I thought transflective screens were going to let us all compute from sunny seaside cabanas. This future sucks.


Posted by: Tom | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 9:32 AM
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More saturated colours?


Posted by: Charlie | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 9:33 AM
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any informed guesses on when the next (updated, improved) version of mac air is going to come out from Apple??


Posted by: mmf! | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 9:37 AM
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35, 37: And blacker blacks, I think.

Under the right lighting, shiny screens kick ass on matte. But the right lighting - especially for a laptop - is pretty rare.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 9:38 AM
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And blacker blacks, I think.

I wouldn't know, as I don't see race.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 9:38 AM
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what is alleged to be the virtue of the glossy screens?

Higher contrast, crisper colors. And that's true, in my experience. I don't use mine outside, so I have no complaints, but the few times there's been a lot of light about, I could see that it might be a problem.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 9:39 AM
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38: Are there any glaring shortcomings? Those might be fixed this summer. Otherwise, expect it to come after a full year.

This is based only on observing Apple product release tendencies, but they're pretty consistent.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 9:39 AM
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Ah, okay. I'd noticed that my glossy-screen laptop has a crisper display, but I was comparing it to matte screens that were 5+ years old, so I couldn't tell whether it was the gloss or the newness.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 9:43 AM
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38, 42: Checking the macrumors.com Buyer's Guide, I see that they won't predict updates for the Air ("No Historical Data"), but the update cycle for the MacBooks and MacBook Pros (MacBooks Pro?) is about 190 days (those are usually small updates, however).


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 9:45 AM
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41: Less accurate colors, too. Or so the nerds on Slashdot claim. Speaking of which, much more here.


Posted by: Tom | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 9:46 AM
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43: That may have a lot to do with the backlight. CCFLs get significantly dimmer over the years. Hopefully this will be less of a problem now that everybody's switching to LED backlighting.


Posted by: Tom | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 9:47 AM
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Speaking of which, much more here.

Thanks, never would have found that otherwise.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 9:49 AM
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Oh /. It only takes 4 comments to get to the misogyny.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 9:51 AM
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Ah, fuck. I swear I previewed, did a "view source" and searched for "slashdot". And yet, still an idiot.


Posted by: Tom | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 9:51 AM
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Hey, at least you didn't say "you're welcome."


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 9:52 AM
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48: Actually 6. I hate nested comments.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 9:53 AM
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48: Oh, I get it "slashdot", at first I thought you were referring to your #4 here: "crampy keyboards" indeed.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 9:54 AM
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re: 45

I'd want to see more evidence for that than 'some bloke thinks so'.

Part of my day job involves colour accuracy in digital imaging workflows, and there's a bit more to assessing/calibrating monitor colour accuracy than 'it looks wrong to me'.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 9:55 AM
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Did anyone see this article in the Hill about Lieberman? So annoying. Allegedly, Reid has promised Joe that he will get to keep his Seniority even if there are more Democratic Senators. Even if Lieberman speaks at the Republican Convention. I loathe him.

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Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 9:56 AM
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Shit, I hit post and realized that I'd invaded Becks's post. Sorry, Becks. Still, maybe we could get Clinton to be majority leader and dump Reid.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 9:57 AM
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I'm going to cross post that comment in the conservative blogosphere post. Please ignore it here.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 9:59 AM
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53: some other folks in that thread who make the claim sound a bit more authoritative, and at least allude to the calibration process. But if you're doing that kind of work you're probably making your purchase on the basis of criteria more important than glossy/matte.


Posted by: Tom | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 10:00 AM
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Handy tip: if you have an older MacBook, you can upgrade RAM really cheaply (I'm guessing partly because buyers of new ones are upgrading with third-party RAM, so there's a lot of factory-installed chips on the market). I just picked up 2G for 20 bucks.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 10:02 AM
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SP reminds me to remind Cala that she should get the 10% educational discount if she buys a computer from Apple. Which still leaves it pretty expensive, but if she waits for a sales tax holiday and knocks over a bank on the way to the store...


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 10:03 AM
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re: 57

To be honest, when we made our purchases, we just went with what a couple of different specialist suppliers recommended as 'colour accurate' monitors. We do go in for regular and extensive calibration and profiling, though.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 10:04 AM
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59 is true. But it is sometimes worth it to check Amazon, too, where one won't pay tax and can usually pick up a $100 rebate.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 10:05 AM
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maybe we could get Clinton to be majority leader and dump Reid.

I've been all in favor of this plan, but the CW now is that so many Senators have endorsed Obama that they would fear HRC being Majority Leader over them ("So, Teddy, how about Chairman of the Senate Toilet Cleaning Committee?"). I don't know how real that is, but it sure makes some sense.

But I swear, I won't say anything else on the subject.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 10:06 AM
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I'm going to cross post that comment in the conservative blogosphere post.

Hey! That's my thread!


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 10:07 AM
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59, 61: Obligatory refurb sales pitch.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 10:07 AM
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59- I forgot that I'm an academic now too. Which discount is better depends on the product- Air is $8 less with AAAS, Macbook is $34 less with academic.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 10:12 AM
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We've got a 7" EEE - it *is* small, but C uses it for working at home and doesn't seem to have a problem. The kids like it a lot too, to the extent that we're considering not putting in the expenses claim (C supposedly got it for work) and keeping it for them. (Not that we really need it.)

And on a completely unrelated note - I heard today that apparently one's clitoris can either be an innie or an outie. How, I don't know.


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 11:37 AM
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Huh. Maybe it's outie and really outie? Apparently some women have enlarged clitorises (what's the plural? is this an i-stem? clitorides?) that, you know, extend. I think testosterone can do this?


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 11:46 AM
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67--The trans guy who was on Oprah, because he's having a baby said that one's clitoris grows a lot after testosterone treatment. He said that he uses his for intercourse with his wife.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 11:52 AM
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w-lfs-n, 66-67 is your cue to plug the e-mail address again.


Posted by: KR | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 11:52 AM
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We've got a 7" EEE - it *is* small, but C uses it for working at home and doesn't seem to have a problem.

If you're reading the thread backwards at this point, this sentence is an eyebrow-raiser.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 12:01 PM
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I heard today that apparently one's clitoris can either be an innie or an outie.

There have got to be some readers who have seen enough of them to know. Mineshaft?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 12:08 PM
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The last taboo subject: even the reliably-scurrilous Unfogged commenters wouldn't touch it. Tomorrow on Fox News!


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 12:20 PM
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I want "outie" defined. Or "innie." The wikipedia page -- oh yes, and I was right about clitorides and oh yes, there are photos -- uses the word "button" and that seems more or less apt. So is this "innie-outie" distinction saying that some women have no external "button" or that some women's clitorides descend past the labia?


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 12:29 PM
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Has ogged taught you all nothing about the English language?


Posted by: mano negra | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 12:32 PM
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There have got to be some readers who have seen enough of them to know.

I think it is safe to say that just because you've seen one does not mean that you've seen them all.

Also, on topic, female spider monkeys are distinct outies.


Posted by: Will | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 12:34 PM
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Moreover, as oudemia's brother, I can disclose which one oudemia is if you pay my $10.00.


Posted by: Will | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 12:37 PM
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Moreover, as oudemia's brother, I can disclose which one oudemia is if you pay my $10.00.

You looked at your sister naked? Up close? Ewwww! You're a freak! Will likes looking at his naked sister, Will likes looking at his naked sister!

[pause]

How about $5.00 and you can have my comic books?


Posted by: KR | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 12:41 PM
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How about $5.00 and you can have my comic books?

Either you have cash flow problems or you have some really sucky comic books.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 12:43 PM
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73: I'm going to guess it refers to whether the clitoris is fully within the clitoral hood or not. Some women's clitorises do extend a couple inches or more past the labia, but this occurs mostly (I think) in hermaphrodites or women who one suspects may have artificially elevated levels of testosterone (cf. Chyna, late of the WWF).


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 12:49 PM
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79: Yes, I suspect you're right.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 12:52 PM
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79: or Kornelia Ender to reference a sport that Ogged can relate to.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 1:01 PM
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81: did she make a sex tape, too?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 1:03 PM
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And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remembered-
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition;
And gentlemen in England now-a-bed
Shall think themselves accurs'd they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.*

*Does not apply if you subsequently windsurf or become a metrosexual or other kind of liberal.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 1:12 PM
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83 -> some other thread.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 1:13 PM
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83 to 82, somehow.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 1:18 PM
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1. 80->76.
2. Are oudemia and Will actually siblings, or did I just miss the joke?
3. Heh. As I neared the end of 79 I thought, "Like Chyna!" Thenn, there it was, right at the end of the comment.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 1:26 PM
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Apo made me laugh.

So, Apo, if will and I were really siblings who checked out each other's packages, don't you think you would have heard about it already?


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 1:33 PM
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are you saying that I am not good enough to be your brother?!??!

I like stinky cheese!


Posted by: Will | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 1:41 PM
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I like stinky cheese!

Someone needs to step in here and defend the honor of oudemia's cooch.


Posted by: KR | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 1:51 PM
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oudemia is kind of pissed off.

will is referring to a picture on my flickr page, but of course in this context . . .


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 1:55 PM
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defend the honor of oudemia's cooch.

And Oudemia's cooch shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remembered-
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition;
And gentlemen in England now-a-bed
Shall think themselves accurs'd they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us within Oudemia's cooch.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 1:59 PM
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pissed off??


Posted by: Will | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 2:02 PM
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Better'n being pissed on.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 2:04 PM
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or taking the piss.


Posted by: Will | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 2:07 PM
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Better'n being pissed on.

That might depend on who's pissing.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 2:13 PM
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Roland Matthes (the East German "Mark Spitz" of backstroke) who is now a self-righteous asshole big critic of doping and the crass commercialism of swimming, on his marriage (now divorced) to Kornelia Ender

When asked how he could not know, seeing how he married East German star, and doping victim, Kornelia Ender he responded, "It might sound stupid now, but when you spend that much time in the company of girls who look like that, you find it normal. I saw many examples of masculine women, and when you spend enough time cordoned off with a small group of people, training morning, noon and night, well ... after a while, you're bound to find one of them attractive".

Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 2:22 PM
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66: Thanks for the eee information, asilon. There's a lot about it on the internet, but sometimes trying to glean information about computers from forums of geeks is....

like....

oh, so many ways to finish this.

very hard because you suspect at all times they're blinded by partisanship.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 2:38 PM
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There's a lot about it on the internet, but sometimes trying to glean information about computers from forums of geeks is [ see above ]


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 2:39 PM
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I thought the point of the shiny screens is that somehow they save energy or something.

Also, the clitoris is not a button. It extends back into the body; only the tip protrudes. It's more like a little breadstick or something.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 2:40 PM
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KobeMy acquaintance reports, correcting a memory error of mine: "I wouldn't want one as my primary laptop but for something to do email and surf and stuff on the go (it even comes with skype) you can't go wrong." He also says, "the only issue I've had was that at first the keyboard took a bit of getting used to because it's a bit small for my fingers. I also switched their 'easy' desktop to a real KDE desktop. For most people the 'easy' one is probably fine. The wifi on it works better than the airport extreme card in my powerbook. It's also got ethernet, 3 USB ports and an SD card slot. For $350, what's not to love?" His only real warning is "physically check one out first," on account of tiny keys.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 3:08 PM
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He said that of the EEE, of course, not the clit.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 3:20 PM
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took a bit of getting used to because it's a bit small for my fingers.

Also true of the clit.


Posted by: KR | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 3:51 PM
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