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Face for radio. I would guess that many bloggers fall into the same category.


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:16 AM
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People who can't smoke shouldn't. I mean, seriously: who the fuck holds their cigarette between their third and fourth fingers? And if you're making a face like that after inhaling, you're not enjoying it, so just fucking don't, all right?


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:17 AM
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And let the anti-smoking fascists curtail his person freedom?!


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:20 AM
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personal


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:21 AM
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What does Ogged look like? I've become really curious.


Posted by: Gabe | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:21 AM
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Chris Noth.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:22 AM
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That is some wacky smoking action.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:23 AM
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That guy's last name. What is up with that guy's last name?


Posted by: Gabe | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:23 AM
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BitchPhD said what I was going to say. Did he just recently learn how to smoke?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:24 AM
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Unless you would say to Eli Lake upon meeting him, "You are ugly," you shouldn't have posted this. Actually, doing that would be better. He was commenting on Spencer's blog the other day, so chances of him reading this aren't that low.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:25 AM
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I've not looked at this bloggingheads thing and don't wish to but I will note that there is nothing sadder than a smoker who doesn't know how to smoke.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:25 AM
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2 is right.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:25 AM
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I laughed out loud. I am clearly a bad person.


Posted by: slolernr | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:25 AM
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Unless you would say to Eli Lake upon meeting him, "You are ugly," you shouldn't have posted this.

I initially thought something like this, but then I watched as much of the video as I could stand, and man, Lake doesn't do himself any favors in front of the camera.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:28 AM
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10 is right.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:29 AM
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there is nothing sadder than a smoker who doesn't know how to smoke

Except this.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:30 AM
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What about the tears of a clown?


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:32 AM
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What does Ogged look like?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:33 AM
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16: OMG APO YOU HEARTLESS SWINE I AM GOING TO CRY NOW.

Where the hell did you find that? And who is the horrible, horrible man who is walking away???


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:34 AM
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And speaking of bloggingheads, I haven't watched this one, but it looks pretty entertaining.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:34 AM
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18 is so racist, and it made me laugh 'til I snorted.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:34 AM
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Making B go from crying to laughing in two comments is now the record to beat, people.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:36 AM
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It's a good thing when men with short dicks know how to perform.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:37 AM
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Where the hell did you find that?

Here.

who is the horrible, horrible man who is walking away?

Eli Lake.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:37 AM
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I will stand in support of LB on this one. So the guy is ugly. Anyone who watches the video will see that. What's the point?

As little as I enjoyed reading Amanda Marcotte, it always pissed me off to see 'wingers dismissing her views with snide remarks about her appearance.

(FTR, making fun of Althouse's or Pam Atlas' appearance is in a different category, because they think of themselves as fetching; there's no evidence that Eli Lake thinks of himself that way.)

I'm on board in principle with making fun of Lake's prissy smoking, but I don't think LB's post suffered for the omission.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:38 AM
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Yeah, but Amanda's not ugly. At all.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:39 AM
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You've got nothing on the dog-whistle take-down of Eli Lake that GFR (his ex) slipped in her lede.


Posted by: James K. Polk | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:40 AM
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26: that is completely irrelevant.


Posted by: peter | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:40 AM
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24: Funny, I just shared it with someone after asking them if they wanted to see the saddest picture in the world.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:40 AM
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GFR (his ex)

How in god's name is this possible?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:42 AM
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That the saddest pictures in the world are hilarious has restored my faith in humanity. Prenups for everyone!


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:43 AM
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If he tried just a little, he could be a great Dr Evil.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:45 AM
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The picture Apo picked isn't hilarious. It's sadder and sadder the more I think about it. My childhood cat (the one that died the year after I got married) looked like that.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:46 AM
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Unless you would say to Eli Lake upon meeting him, "You are ugly," you shouldn't have posted this.

I would say to Eli Lake, upon meeting him, "You're ugly, you're stupid, you're evil, and the world is a worse place because you exist."


Posted by: strasmangelo jones | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:47 AM
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I would say "you've got to be kidding with the smoking, dude."


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:48 AM
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Yeah, Ogged. You should outsource these posts to stras.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:49 AM
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30: Garance likes her some right-wing nasties.


Posted by: strasmangelo jones | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:49 AM
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25- I thought that initially. His smoking is kind of funny, I guess. But since learned he is a neo-con so now on the floor doubled over in laughter and spitting out my diet coke.


Posted by: asl | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:49 AM
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My childhood cat [...] looked like that.

Bloody and matted?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:49 AM
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GFR (his ex)

Egads. This is one of the rare cases where I would characterize a sexual congress as a defilement of the woman.


Posted by: KR | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:51 AM
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The Garance's piece reminds me of my theory that just as Malcolm X aspired to be the Franz Fanon of black Americans, Norman Podhoretz aspired to be the Franz Fanon of American Jews. He certainly read Fanon, and early on he wrote something about how black guys always were beating him up when he was young. So the Jews liberated themselves with redemptive violence, and quit cringing.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:52 AM
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Okay, fine, it's tragic and hilarious, like life itself. Poor kitty.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:52 AM
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36: Or be nastier to people face-to-face. It works either way.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:52 AM
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Sadder picture: the kitten in 16 or this loyal dog?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:52 AM
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24: The Google image search for that phrase brings us this gem.


Posted by: My Alter Ego | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:54 AM
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Norman Podhoretz aspired to be the Franz Fanon of American Jews

See? Tragic and hilarious!


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:54 AM
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My childhood cat (the one that died the year after I got married) looked like that.

You have to live for yourself, B. It would have been wrong for you to sacrifice your happiness for a selfish, needy cat. Though I'm sure that Mr. B could have been a little bid more helpful than he was.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:54 AM
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16: Jeezus, thanks for ruining my day. Sad now.


Posted by: mcmc | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:55 AM
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Saddest bear in Los Angeles.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:55 AM
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How in god's name is this possible?

Right there with you, big guy. Maybe she has an extra eye that's hidden by her hair or something. Gawd, that's sickening.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:57 AM
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41: I think that this same theme can be found in some of the early Zionist writers.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:58 AM
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47: Yeah, given that when he called me from Saudi Arabia and found out the cat had died, he *then asked to delay coming home by two days* so that he could make a quick stop in England.

When he told me that and I cried about it, he said "I'm sorry, I thought you were over it."


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:58 AM
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49: Ohhhhhhhhh! Someone go rescue that bear! I can't take it!


Posted by: strasmangelo jones | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:58 AM
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Fanon might have been the Zionist of the Arabs. And redemptive violence was a theme in a lot of nationalist, fascist, and leftist groups. But calling Podhoretz Malcolm X is the most fun way to say it.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:59 AM
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I don't know what sort of personal abuse Amanda Marcotte gets. But upon reflecting on Jessica Valenti and re-examining the bloggingheads link, it occurs to me that Lake is seated in such a way as to emphasize his breasts.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 11:59 AM
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Unless you would say to Eli Lake upon meeting him, "You are ugly," you shouldn't have posted this.

W/d, can you let me in on the reasoning here?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:00 PM
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The dog picture is sad, Apo, and if Ari clicks on it you'll be responsible for his suicide. But I'm a cat person.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:00 PM
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50: Come on, guys, we know this kind of thing happens -- for one instance -- what about Padma and Salman?


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:01 PM
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44: oh fuck.


Posted by: mcmc | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:01 PM
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Unless you would say to Eli Lake upon meeting him, "You are ugly," you shouldn't have posted this. Actually, doing that would be better. He was commenting on Spencer's blog the other day, so chances of him reading this aren't that low.

You've got to be kidding me. He's a fucking neocon!?! Jeebus. Are we restricted from saying mean things about OBL, too? I mean, given that OBL's a homicidal maniac, I probably wouldn't be over critical to his face if we randomly met in a bar.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:01 PM
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34: I didn't write the language you quote to point out that it would be obviously absurd to do that or something, just to make the point that I think that's the correct way to think about this.

Does 44 remind anyone else of this?


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:01 PM
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49- ha. I do think that 'Saddest Bear in Glendale' would have been a better title, though.


Posted by: asl | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:02 PM
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50: Come on, guys, we know this kind of thing happens -- for one instance -- what about Padma and Salman?


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:02 PM
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Here's one for PK.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:04 PM
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Alright, 44 is just plain sad.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:06 PM
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54: Good point, John.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:06 PM
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You know, people, I came here for the merciless Lake-bashing, but if it's going to be all sad pictures of helplessly abandoned furry creatures, count me out.


Posted by: strasmangelo jones | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:06 PM
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56, 60: I think the chances of him reading it aren't too low, that he's not such a public figure that the receives insults like that on a regular basis and is used to it, and that correspondingly the same considerations apply to posting this as they would to saying it to him in person. The reason I say it would be better to say it in person is it would give Eli a chance to respond by making fun of ogged's pointy head and/or starting a fight which ogged would win, unless Eli goes for the kidney punch.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:06 PM
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washerdreyer probably thinks Yoo deserves to keep his Berkeley job, too. Fucking procedural liberals.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:07 PM
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64: That's mean.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:07 PM
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Unfortunately, Kraab's ex's article was pretty good. I was all prepared to loyally hate hum.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:09 PM
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Deserves got nothing to do with it.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:09 PM
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68: Dude, just because Ackerman's friends with Lake doesn't mean we all have to buddy up with everybody's favorite Arab-bombing enthusiast at the New York Sun.

Dick Cheney: also ugly. Oh noes, I could hurt his feelings!


Posted by: strasmangelo jones | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:11 PM
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That's mean.

Only if you show it to him.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:11 PM
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washerdreyer probably thinks Yoo deserves to keep his Berkeley job, too. Fucking procedural liberals.

Hell, I thought that Yoo probably deserved not to be fired. That doesn't mean he gets to stay.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:12 PM
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I have occasionally told people they were ugly upon first meeting them, but not for decades. W/D is setting an impossibly high bar. He probably is a member of some kind of sex club that Lake also belongs to.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:12 PM
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The dog picture reminds me of Odysseus! This might be the time to mention that I've undertaken, in the spirit of the month, to write a longish poem describing what happens after Odysseus' homecoming. Here's how it begins:

And when in his wide courtyards Odysseus had cut down
the insolent youths, he hung on high his sated bow
and strode to the warm bath to cleanse his bloodstained body.
Two slaves prepared his bath, but when they saw their lord
they shrieked with terror, for his loins and belly steamed
and thick black blood dripped down from both his murderous palms;
their copper jugs rolled clanging on the marble tiles.
The wandering man smiled gently in his thorny beard
and with his eyebrows signed the frightened girls to go.
For hours he washed himself in the warm water, his veins
spread out like rivers in his body, his loins cooled,
and his great mind was in the waters cleansed and calmed.
Then softly sweet with aromatic oils he smoothed his
long coarse hair, his body hardened by black brine,
till youthfulness awoke his wintry flesh with flowers.
On golden-studden nails in fragrant shadows flashed
row upon row the robes his faithful wife had woven,
adorned with hurrying winds and gods and swift triremes,
and stretching out a sunburnt hand, he quickly chose
the one most flaming, flung it flat across his back,
and steaming still, shot back the bold and crossed the threshold.
His slaves in shade were dazzled till the huge smoked beams
of his ancestral home flashed with reflected light,
and as she waited by the throne in palled, speechless dread,
Penelope turned to look, and her knees shook with fright:
"That's not the man I've awaited year on year, O Gods,
this forty-footed dragon that stalks my quaking house!"
But the mind-archer quickly sensed the obscure dread
of his poor wife and to his swelling breast replied:
"O heart, she who for years has awaited you to force
her bolted knees and join you in rejoicing cries,
she is that one you've longed for, battling the far seas,
the cruel gods and deep voices of your deathless mind."
He spoke, but still his heart leapt not in his wild chest,
still in his nostrils steamed the blood of the newly slain;
he saw his wife still tangled in their naked forms,
and as he watched her sideways, his eyes glazed, almost
in slaughter's seething wrath he might have pierced her through.
Swiftly he passed and mutely stood on his wide sill;
the burning sun in splendor sank and filled all nooks
and every vaulted cell with rose and azure shade.
Athena's altar in the court still smoked, replete,
while in the long arcades in cool night air there swung
the new-hung slaves, their eyes and swollen tongues protruding.
His own eyes calmly gazed in the starry eyes of night,
who from the mountains with her curly flocks descended,
till all his murderous work and whir of arrows sank
within his heart in peace, distilled like mist or dream,
and his wild tiger heart in darkness licked its lips.
After the joy of bathing, his mind grew serene,
nor did he once glance backward toward the splattered blood,
nor in its cunning coils once scheme for ways to save
his dreadful head from dangers that besieged it now.
Thus in this holy hour Odysseus basked in peace,
on his ancestral threshold standing, bathed and shorn of care.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:13 PM
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washerdreyer probably thinks we should be nice to McArdle around here, too. Fucking procedural liberals.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:13 PM
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Only if you show it to him.

It's mean to even *think* of showing it to him. I don't like you any more.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:15 PM
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That's one wicked toke. Obviously, Eli Lake is objectively pro-joint-bogarting.

GFR (his ex)

So, so over-chicked.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:15 PM
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78: McArdle isn't nearly as bad as Lake. And I'm not friends with her, either.


Posted by: strasmangelo jones | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:16 PM
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washerdreyer probably thinks we should be nice to McArdle around here, too.

Again, I've argued exactly that. (Well, nic-er, or silent.)


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:16 PM
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we all have to buddy up with everybody's favorite Arab-bombing enthusiast at the New York Sun.

I was such a fool for advocating this!

w-lfs-n shares his taste in poetry with neo-Nazis, by the way.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:18 PM
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That's because w-lfs-n *is* a neo-Nazi. Duh.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:20 PM
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And she was under-whatted?


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:20 PM
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I'm so hurt that you were so suspicious of my claim to authorship that you googled part of what I posted, w/d.

The bit that I posted is actually the only part of that poem I've read, but then, it is 33,333 hendecasyllables long.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:21 PM
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Okay, where's the list of which evil tools I have to pretend to like on the internet, and what criteria qualifies them for being on that list other than "these people are friends of people we know"? If Matt Yglesias and David Brooks become drinking buddies, am I not allowed to make David Brooks jokes anymore because he's a Friend Of The Blog Once Removed?


Posted by: strasmangelo jones | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:22 PM
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It seems that Garance might be regarded as having been either under-dicked or over-dicked or both.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:23 PM
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He's an evil Baby Huey looking motherfucker.*

And what the hell is that? A cheroot?

*I don't feel in the least guilty saying that. If the future of aesthics is ethics, that is one objectively ugly motherfucker.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:24 PM
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Okay, where's the list of which evil tools I have to pretend to like on the internet, and what criteria qualifies them for being on that list other than "these people are friends of people we know"?

Stras has a point, folks. Charity toward Eli Lake because he's buds with Spackermann is perilously close to the kind of Beltway incest we like to decry in the MSM.

I still stand by my 25, but the best I could muster in a face-to-face encounter with Mr. Lake would be cold cordiality.


Posted by: KR | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:27 PM
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88: You're starting to make me think that w/d's caution was right; lets not drag GFR into it (something I wrongly did above).


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:29 PM
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stras, you're driving me crazy. I didn't say to pretend to like anyone, I didn't say to say nice things about anyone, the only thing I said is that the post non-jokingly insults someone's appearance in a forum where they're not unlikely to read it and whatever considerations the post's author thinks should be taken when doing that should be taken here. Seriously, I don't trust Lake as writer or thinker in anyway, he seems ever-willing to leave out relevant information to support his cause, and I don't think anyone should read what he has to say.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:30 PM
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92: Plus, he's not even friends with Spencer Ackerman any more, so let's just take the guy out back and beat the shit out of him.


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:32 PM
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He kind of reminds me of Stanford on Sex and the City -- http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2587466496/nm0308606


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:33 PM
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W/D is ugly as shit.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:33 PM
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It seems that Garance might be regarded as having been either under-dicked or over-dicked or both.

I prefer to think that GFR is neither underdicked nor overdicked, but chaste and undefiled. "I beg by the glorious intercession of the blessed Garance, ever virgin, that I may be delivered from present sorrow and enter into the joy of eternal happiness."

If anyone knows differently, please keep it from me.


Posted by: KR | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:35 PM
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92: But who cares if Eli Lake reads a post here calling him ugly? Friedman gets endlessly mocked for his appearance ("mustache of understanding"); should I get worried about offending the sensibilities of Thomas Friedman should he stumble across Unfogged? I don't see what separates Lake from Friedman other than the fact that he's friendly with Ackerman (or used to be, apparently).


Posted by: strasmangelo jones | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:37 PM
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W/D is ugly as shit.

John didn't actually say this to me until the second time he met me, so 76 could be true.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:38 PM
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I take it back. The sad animal pictures were funny.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:39 PM
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A picture of a happy bear, to counteract the sad bear picture.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:39 PM
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96: Seriously, can we not talk about GFR? Sex-related speculation about (random, normal) women (whom some people here probably know) in this way goes awry an awful lot of the time. I'm feeling particularly oogie about it as I did it, too, and early.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:40 PM
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A picture of a happy bear, to counteract the sad bear picture.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:40 PM
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OK


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:41 PM
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Happy bear.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:42 PM
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the best I could muster in a face-to-face encounter with Mr. Lake would be "Hey, dude."


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:42 PM
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97: Two distinctions:

1. Moustache of understanding isn't actually mocking his appearance, it's associating his absurdity with an aspect of his appearance. Speaking of which, I still think it's funny that if the world were flat things would be farther apart and yet he titled his book about how everything is moving closer together in that fashion.

2. Friedman is more of a public figure than Lake, by a long shot, which both means that he's more likely to have become inured to personal attacks and less likely to actually encounter this one.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:46 PM
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Happy bears.


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:48 PM
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Flippanter's bear is doomed to extinction.

Snarkout's bear almost makes me wish human beings were doomed to extinction.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:53 PM
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Happy famous bear


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:54 PM
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Friedman is more of a public figure than Lake, by a long shot, which both means that he's more likely to have become inured to personal attacks and less likely to actually encounter this one

The obvious solution to this is to personally ridicule Lake even more, making up for the lack of ridicule he's received so far, so he becomes inured to personal attacks and is able to withstand the awfulness of being called ugly.


Posted by: strasmangelo jones | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:55 PM
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Snarkout's bear almost makes me wish human beings were doomed to extinction.

Give it time.


Posted by: strasmangelo jones | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 12:56 PM
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Flippanter's bear is doomed to extinction.

Tell that to my unstoppable army of polar bear assassins (I call them "The Paw").


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 1:01 PM
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Let me redirect the hatred a bit, and I will preface it by saying that I like smokers, in my experience they are far more interesting people than non-smokers, and the smoking sections of bars and restaurants are the far and away the better than the non-smoking. (I love the smell of stale tobacco smoke in my clothes in the morning.)

However, there is no more self-satisfied, pompous "in the know" left-over-from-adolescence juvenile horseshit than the "know how to smoke" concept that was multiply voiced above. So I kindly suggest that everyone who is inclined to so judge others, take their various burning contrivances and jam them up their fundaments.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 1:22 PM
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I hate smokers; in my experience they are pitiable, wretched addicts who cultivate a pretension of oppressedness that would make Karl Rove blush.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 1:26 PM
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JP, I take it you smoke like a big dork, too.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 1:28 PM
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Speaking as a genuinely rather ugly woman--seriously, I've had total strangers walk up to me and tell me I'm ugly, and recently--I will earnestly say that I don't like the kind of political discourse where we say "Oh, he's evil, therefore it's okay to remind him that he's ugly too". I don't actually enjoy, for example, being at a protest or a debate and having some creepy winger decide that he can comment negatively on my appearance because that's just the way we all roll now....and when my ideological allies do the same thing, it always makes me wonder if they ever say to each other, "Gee, that Frowner--a delightful girl, but man, did she get hit with the ugly stick". Which does not make political work easier.

In reality, of course, probably my friends do comment that my looks are a pity, but if I don't have to hear them speculate about other people's hideousness I can at least pretend that they don't. And pretense is really important to me.

Okay, so so this is uncharacteristically Habermassian, but a girl gets tired of hearing about her deficits in the looks department.


Posted by: Frowner | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 1:30 PM
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113: JP, I take it you smoke like a big dork, too.

Possibly.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 1:32 PM
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But Frowner, Lake is the kind of ugly that radiates from his soul. I've never met you, but I'm sure you look just fine.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 1:36 PM
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Publically making fun of someone for being ugly insults all ugly people, just like publically making fun of someone for being black or female.


Posted by: James B. Shearer | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 1:43 PM
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But Ogged, some winger would probably say the same thing about me...or, honestly, some teenage boy uncomfortable with my gender presentation.

Also, on mature reflection I find that he looks like my favorite Weimar portrait , and after he's spent a few years doing re-education labor in the cane fields, I promise to invite him to dinner.


Posted by: Frowner | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 1:43 PM
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I'm generally not a fan of the appearance insults against people like Friedman either.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 1:46 PM
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some winger would probably say the same thing about me

Then we'll beat him up! I'm sorry, I just. can't. give. up. making fun of people's appearance.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 1:46 PM
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Not that it matters to the point being argued, but I've met Frowner, who isn't ugly.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 1:49 PM
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Did you tell her to smile?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 1:50 PM
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I was going to disavow my position because James agrees with me, but I think Frowner cancels that out.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 1:50 PM
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I don't know about ugly, but damn is Eli Lake evil.

For some unknown reason, The New York Sun arrived, unwanted, at my honey's apartment for about a year and a half. I was the only one who even looked at it, which was fortunate, as the paper regularly slandered our university and his country of origin.

The cultural pages were sort of interesting, in that the editor had clearly decided that they were to be progressive and intellectual (N+1-like in their engagement and committment to being avant-garde) yet neoconnish, and, well, unread. Leads to some really strange articles.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 1:51 PM
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119 is very perceptive.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 1:55 PM
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122: Well, Ogged, I'm afraid it's labor in the cane fields for you too. Those are going to be some crowded cane fields, now that I think about it. Bring your sunscreen!


Posted by: Frowner | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 1:55 PM
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I find that he looks like my favorite Weimar portrait

If Lake resembles Max Beckmann at all, he should probably consider rocking this style. He'd still be evil, but oh, so suave.


Posted by: JL | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 1:57 PM
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128: Those are going to be some crowded cane fields, now that I think about it.

Well maybe someone can make some movies out of it that will be really bad for first dates. It's all part of the great circle on man's inhumanity to man.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 1:59 PM
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I'm generally not a fan of the appearance insults against people like Friedman either.

Oh, give me a break. What about Cheney? Do you mean to tell me you've never laughed at the sheer evil ugliness of Richard Bruce Cheney? Because if you tell me that I just won't believe you. Sometimes you come across people like Cheney or Lake or Rove or Richard Perle, or Richard Nixon for that matter - people whose evil seems to have bubbled out from under their souls and emerged as visible flesh - and you can't help but stand in awestruck wonder at the sheer shamelessness of a universe that often keeps evil carefully camouflaged, but sometimes just totally cuts loose with a physical manifestation of hand-rubbing, fang-licking malice, just great walking tumors barely concealed in human skin. And when that happens it doesn't seem totally inappropriate to stand back and say, holy shit, it really does look like this guy's just guzzled a bucket of Iraqi baby blood.


Posted by: strasmangelo jones | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 2:02 PM
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124: Right, because I wanted her to hit me.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 2:03 PM
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First we can't mock the way Lake looks and then we can't mock his underdicked-ness and now we can't mock the way he smokes, either! Way to suck the fun out of adulthood, people.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 2:06 PM
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Ogged doesn't need sunscreen, Norwegian lady.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 2:11 PM
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I didn't say I don't find ugly people ugly. I said I don't find appearance insult based political commentary particularly interesting or worthwhile. If you tell me you can see the difference between those two things, I won't believe you.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 2:12 PM
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EB, almost nothing here is worthwhile, and the interestingness is extremely erratic. This blog is primarily a procrastination aid.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 2:14 PM
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May I underline: an aid for people too feeble to procrastinate without help.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 2:14 PM
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And, in fact, it never occurred to me to find Cheney ugly. His evilness is so pure that it does not admit other descriptive qualities.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 2:15 PM
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131- Oh, Richard Perle. I was at a war protest on the Mall couple of years ago when there was a small commotion nearby. Fucking Richard Perle had come to the protest to defend the Iraq war to mothers of dead soldiers.


Posted by: asl | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 2:19 PM
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I don't get 77. There were no triremes in Homeric times.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 2:19 PM
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The sad dog picture (which I've seen before) is sad, but in a way that confirms and perhaps even celebrates the ideal of dogginess. The sad kitten picture is just sad. TOO SAD.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 2:19 PM
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And, in fact, it never occurred to me to find Cheney ugly.

I don't believe you.


Posted by: strasmangelo jones | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 2:20 PM
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Let's face it: EB is terminally unshallow. The motherfucker. It's not his fault, he was probably raised wrong.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 2:24 PM
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Good thing "never" refers to the past. That's pretty ugly.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 2:24 PM
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133: now we can't mock the way he smokes, either!

Oh, by all means mock away, far be it from me to get in the way of anyone working out their repressed adolescent insecurities.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 2:33 PM
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an aid for people too feeble to procrastinate without help.

Procrastinating without Unfogged is like masturbating without porn. Sure, I could do it, but I'm already sitting at the computer anyhow.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 2:39 PM
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146: So you say.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 2:39 PM
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Is it unethical to procrastinate by masturbating to porn that one would not indulge in personally, like rape porn or other fictional violence, such as pie throwing?


Posted by: Martin Van Buren | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 2:52 PM
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far be it from me to get in the way of anyone working out their repressed adolescent insecurities.

Like superciliousness?


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 2:56 PM
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Do the ethical considerations change if the piethrowers masturbate in the pie prior to throwing it?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 2:59 PM
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148: I was going to say something like that, but I was busy procrastinating by driving my Hummer across town to Sam's Club because I had a sudden craving for Ding-Dongs.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 2:59 PM
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Don't eat your Ding-Dong like a dork, JP.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 3:00 PM
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Oh man, ding dongs. I'm so totally going to stop at the taqueria and get Mexican food and Ho-Hos on the way home from picking PK up today. On my bike, suckers.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 3:01 PM
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153: I hold it between the thumb and index finger and the unattached part goes in first. Is that not right?


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 3:03 PM
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You can keep feeling morally superior, though, b/c I'm totally going to use my savings account to buy tacos since I'm overdrawn at the bank.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 3:06 PM
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Kathryn Lopez says porn is a 'sad and lonely world' for men. Not so much here, though.


Posted by: asl | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 3:28 PM
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The thing about Cheney's appearance isn't ugliness - he doesn't seem that naturally ugly to me. It's that his appearance so suits his personality, and that at the same time he looks like the Penguin, which also suits his personality. He's the human equivalent of the word "sesquipedalianism"..


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 4:26 PM
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great thread, i liked all the photo links
what a kittie, and the bears, the hamster in the anakonda
about ugliness, just appearance does not matter that much, i mean facial features
clean skin, healthy teeth, hair, eyes, overall body and one is as beautiful as one could be


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 04-24-08 9:37 PM
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Eli looks like Darth Vader without the helmet at the end of ROTJ. As soon as he fucks with me in public I will post side-by-side photos.


Posted by: spackerman | Link to this comment | 04-27-08 9:26 AM
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30: Oh, could I tell Eli-GFR stories. So many.


Posted by: spackerman | Link to this comment | 04-27-08 9:29 AM
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73: Ackerman is no longer friends with Lake.


Posted by: spackerman | Link to this comment | 04-27-08 9:30 AM
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126: The New York Sun's subscription strategy for the first two years of its existence was to carpetbomb the city in free papers. My mother tried canceling her subscription at least three times before she finally stopped getting a copy every morning.


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162: Yes. My dementoid neighbor, who has found a free copy in front of his door for the last year and a half, accosted me in the elevator, saying, "You know, I'm the most right-wing guy in this building, so why do they keep giving me the most left-wing paper in the city?" " . . . ?" I replied. I rather more than suspect him of being a tweaker, so I gently inquired if he was making some kind of point that was opaque to me or if he hadn't yet managed to sustain sufficient engagement with the text in question to note that it was decidedly on the right. He then got angry (tweaker!) and insisted that I name a more left-wing publication in NY. Um . . . The Nation? "Maybe," he nodded, "maybe." The next week he avoided assault charges because the Chinese menu dropper guy he tackled and dragged by the neck back to reception spoke no English.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 04-27-08 9:45 AM
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160: But that would be wrong. We're high-minded around here.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 04-27-08 9:51 AM
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And I don't mean "High Times" high-minded. We're very scrupulous about not abusing not-quite-famous-yet people that some of us might meet face-to-face someday.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 04-27-08 9:52 AM
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And when it comes to calling people ugly, some of us would be pots hollering "Black!"


Posted by: Nápi | Link to this comment | 04-27-08 11:49 AM
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Black isn't ugly, Napi.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04-27-08 11:51 AM
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Black isn't nappy, Napi.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04-27-08 11:52 AM
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And then there's this:

"The fact that an act is undertaken to prevent a threatened terrorist attack, rather than for the purpose of humiliation or abuse, would be relevant to a reasonable observer in measuring the outrageousness of the act," said Brian A. Benczkowski, a deputy assistant attorney general


Posted by: Nápi | Link to this comment | 04-27-08 11:53 AM
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I don't think calling anyone ugly will prevent a threatened terrorist attack, Napi.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04-27-08 11:56 AM
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maybe it would work if the terrorist was very very very self conscious. Then they'd take thier marbles and sticks and knives and bombs home and not play anymore. And tell their mum.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 04-27-08 11:58 AM
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170 -- Has the US mainland been attacked since Jay Leno started telling jokes about Osama bin Laden?

Heebie, we're having a war -- and had a bigger one before you were born -- because we didn't want mean people to laugh at us. Or say mean things.

Not the only reason, but too big a part of it.


Posted by: Nápi | Link to this comment | 04-27-08 12:02 PM
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and had a bigger one before you were born

BARELY before I was born. And The Empire Strikes Back was AFTER my arrival.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04-27-08 12:15 PM
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we're having a war -- and had a bigger one before you were born -- because we didn't want mean people to laugh at us. Or say mean things.

I'm completely stumped at this. Mean people suck, you know. After all.


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And some not so mean. I watched the second half of Chūshingura last night. It's impossible not to be affected when Lady Asano tells off Ōishi, and then later, as he's leaving, when her handmaid tells him to tell her brother that she is ashamed of him. It's all redeemed, of course, but even if the pride, honor and shame here are far from the mean in every day life today, that's only a matter of degree and not of kind.


Posted by: Nápi | Link to this comment | 04-27-08 12:30 PM
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And on that cheery note, I'm off to Boston. Later, y'all.


Posted by: Nápi | Link to this comment | 04-27-08 12:31 PM
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We shouldn't judge mean people. They just have different cultural values. They're the last minority whom it's OK to abuse (along with the motherfuckers, I mean).


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 04-27-08 12:34 PM
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Smell you later, Nap-o!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04-27-08 12:35 PM
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Mean people are scared on the inside. Or else my worldview will fall apart.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04-27-08 12:35 PM
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Hippie.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 04-27-08 12:40 PM
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180 to 177, but works to 179.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 04-27-08 12:42 PM
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Let me just say, as the first person to suggest that there's a good chance Eli will read this: I was right!


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You were not. It was still a good thing to say. Why?

Dude's flippin' weird looking.


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