Re: I'll Take That Merguez

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Now I'm hungry.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 10:09 AM
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Bakesale Betty's in Oakland, Ogged.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 10:13 AM
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See, I'll bet there are like five good sandwich places in the Bay Area. There should be two or three on every block, in every town and hamlet.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 10:15 AM
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I HEART merguez. I have toyed with brats, flirted with beer sausauges, considered the boar... and yet I always return to the merguez.

Go to Rosamunde's on Haight (near Fillmore) for your merguez fix. That's where I get mine (and then head to Toronado for a beer to wash it down with).


Posted by: moira | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 10:20 AM
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Are you telling me you can't get good Banh Mi in the Bay?


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 10:22 AM
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That merguez sandwich does look fantastic.

It's frightening that one can't get a good italian beef in downtown Chicago, and in fact most of the sandwich places down here are fairly lacking. It's just a typical problem with downtowns.


Posted by: Po-Mo Polymath | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 10:23 AM
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I'm sure there are many good sandwich shops in the Bay Area, but lord knows the ones that locals used to recommend to me when I lived there were not they.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 10:24 AM
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It's just a typical problem with downtowns of cities that have sold their souls. Which is most of them in north america.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 10:25 AM
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Are you telling me you can't get good Banh Mi in the Bay?

You can--we had a thread about banh mi here recently--but in fewer places than you'd think. But I'm thinking of places like Boston and particularly Chicago, where you can't go two blocks without going past an italian beef place (on preview, screw you, Polymath).


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 10:25 AM
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9: ok, that makes more sense.

Montreal is like that, but with smoked meat sandwiches. And bagels.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 10:26 AM
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Maybe good sandwich places have been priced out of the bay area. The better sandwich shops in L.A. are in the slummier neighborhoods.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 10:28 AM
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Finding good sandwiches is also a problem in Austin. And then there's the impossibility of finding anything close to real bagels. There are frozen H&H bagels at the grocery store, but they're really not the same thing.

(All of which takes us back to the thread -- I can't find it -- about regional food snobbery, but there's absolutely no denying that there are very, very few good bagels outside of New York. I think someone said that they're good in Toronto.)


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 10:28 AM
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See, I'll bet there are like five good sandwich places in the Bay Area. There should be two or three on every block, in every town and hamlet.

I'm not sure that's true anywhere.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 10:29 AM
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PoMo -- Bom Bon Cafe, 170 W. Washington. Yummy, yummy tortas.

He's right about the Italian beef, ogged. At least if we are defining "downtown" as "walking distance from my office."


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 10:29 AM
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Montreal is the other North American city with a serious bagel culture, Kraab.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 10:29 AM
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Clearly, I must now try Saigon Sandwiches.

And I can't think of any sandwich places in SF that I regularly go to. I think I've just replaced "sandwich" with "burrito."


Posted by: moira | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 10:30 AM
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12: Not Toronto, although there are a few places. Montreal. afaict, NY bagels are nearly as good (but different).


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 10:31 AM
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13 was me.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 10:31 AM
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there are very, very few good bagels outside of New York

This is true, but I'm pretty sure Montreal (long-established Jewish community) is an exception, and I swear there was a very good bagel shop in Newton, outside Boston. Rosenberg's, or something like that.

Maybe good sandwich places have been priced out of the bay area

Yeah, that makes sense.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 10:31 AM
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but re 12: let's not reproduce the bagel thread.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 10:32 AM
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9: Oh, it's really just the Loop that's the problem. I live in an area that's still considered "downtown", but it's more residential so I've got a load of places within a couple blocks.

That said, we still have amazing hot dog places downtown, one of which I think I'll partake of for lunch. And once you get into any residential neighborhood, there are some amazing places. I tried The Brown Sack in Logan Square recently, and never imagined that a sloppy joe could be one of the best things I've eaten this month (amazing malts never hurt either).


Posted by: Po-Mo Polymath | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 10:33 AM
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21: amazing, amazing, amazing, amazing... bah!


Posted by: Po-Mo Polymath | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 10:34 AM
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8: I think your "North America" is misplaced here. Toronto, Montreal (as noted by others), and Vancouver all have thriving downtowns, complete with sandwich culture. Ottawa never had a soul to sell. And the interior west of Canada is a mixed bag -- at best.


Posted by: Ari | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 10:35 AM
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20: Agreed. And, please, no one mention barbecue.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 10:38 AM
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Molinari's Deli - North Beach Columbus Ave


Posted by: jamacker | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 10:38 AM
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14: The Bombon Cafe in the Loop closed a couple months ago! I was heartbroken! (on further investigation, that location is still listed on their website, I may need to check it out again)

Though my company is supposed to move later this year to State & Washington, where I'll be close to the delicious tortas and passably good tamales of the mini-Frontera-Grill stand.


Posted by: Po-Mo Polymath | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 10:39 AM
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The Bombon Cafe in the Loop closed a couple months ago!

What?!! I'm going to be so pissed at myself for being too lazy to walk that extra couple of blocks for the last few months if you are right. I was waiting till it got warm!


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 10:42 AM
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Austin is kind of weak on sandwiches. Also, weirdly, many places here don't seem to consider roast beef as a standard option.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 10:47 AM
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28 meant to confirm 12, not ignore it.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 10:48 AM
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OMG that photo of the Merguez has given me meat hunger. And I can't mention the place I want to go to because Sir Kraab asked me not to. I would happily trade a couple of the plentiful Thai joints and taquerias nearby for banh mi, bagels and shawarma. Then my neighborhood would be perfect and I would never have to leave.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 10:48 AM
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16.last is the solution.

Sandwich culture in Boston is advanced enough to have strange, South American niches.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 10:48 AM
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Argh, you just reminded me of the best sandwich place I've ever been to, which is in San Francisco. Submarine Center, at the end of West Portal. Run by Armenian guys. There's one in the Sunset somewhere too, but I don't know if it's as good. I have to admit that I've gone into the city just to eat those sandwiches.

First pizza, then subs. What will be the next topic to taunt my poor deprived expat taste buds? Ethiopian food? Microbrews? Peanut butter cups?


Posted by: mano negra | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 10:51 AM
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30: It's for your protection.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 10:56 AM
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Oooh, it's been a while since a good microbrew thread.


Posted by: Po-Mo Polymath | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 10:59 AM
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I'm pretty sure I've never had a "good" bagel. No idea what I'm missing.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:00 AM
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23: That's probably fair. Canada is a mixed bag that way, but for different reasons than the US. You don't have collapses like detroit or st. louis there, really and you don't have quite the same terrible-by-design as houston or atlanta, either.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:00 AM
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DC's eastern market sells Merguez, made locally. So good. Tomorrow, when I will be driving, I will leave early enough to hit the halal meat place on my way home from work, right next to the crazy Sri Lankan grocery that has homemade Samosas on the counter.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:01 AM
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further to 36: Besides, I was mostly just trying to be inclusive to avoid incarnating one of B's anti-canada rants.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:01 AM
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33: He's the real deal, from Waxahachie. If you and M/tch are ever up this way...


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:02 AM
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That's a pretty authentic-looking chacarero there, though it's probably not as good as these. All the best Chilean food is fast food, it seems, which is probably why McDonald's has less influence here than in most countries. C'mon, tell me you wouldn't eat this.


Posted by: mano negra | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:04 AM
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Jesus, suggesting that someone leave Austin for TX style bbq is perverse. Ok, leave it further than 45 minutes drive or so, anyway.

Or were you thinking they might be homesick if visiting OR?


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:05 AM
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What about wine? I'm always looking for value, which seems to mean finding regions that have recently started
producing good wine or are unappreciated for some other reason, and then working out how to get at the wine. Yakima valley wines are good and underpriced.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:08 AM
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Maybe good sandwich places have been priced out of the bay area.

Yeah. There are numerous taco trucks and stands near Fruitvale in Oakland, or in Richmond, where you can get a kickass torta. And Magpie and I are mourning the loss of Tandoori Chicken USA in El Sobrante, home of the awesomest tandoori chicken sandwich ever.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:09 AM
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leave Austin for TX style bbq

According to Wikipedia, there are four different kinds of TX-style barbecue(d beef).


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:10 AM
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Go to Rosamunde's on Haight (near Fillmore) for your merguez fix.

Hot damn. I fucking love merguez. You're my hero, moira.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:11 AM
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Here is a tragic sandwich story:

I was in Sonoma with friends and we stopped at only place we could find for lunch. They turned out to have the best sandwiches evah. They were so big that we could each only eat half, so we wrapped them up for later.

Then a torrential rain started, so we decided to see a movie. (This isn't really relevant, but it was tragic: the only thing playing was a Jean-Claude van Damme movie.)

As we drove back to S.F., it was raining so hard we could barely see and we had to get through a nerve-rackingly, teeth-clenching ginormous pool of water coming off the bridge. We made it and decided to celebrate our survival with our sandwiches. We went to get them out of the trunk but they weren't there. We had apparently left them on the bench at the sandwich store.

To this day we mournfully refer to the Lost Sandwiches.

(Okay, I know that was ridiculously long. But, seriously, at the time, it was heartbreaking.)


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:11 AM
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Or were you thinking they might be homesick if visiting OR?

Exactly. Cheaper than having it FedExed.

Yakima valley wines are good and underpriced.

Especially when they're DIY.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:13 AM
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Of course, what I'd really like to find is a doener kebab.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:15 AM
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Here's my heartbreaking food story:

Recently I was at a birthday party. I was looking forward to the cupcakes all evening long. They looked delicious.

It turned out they were FROSTED BLUEBERRY MUFFINS. I was outraged. Those are NOT cupcakes. Bad birthday girl! Bad girl!

Apparently when some friends crashed the tail end of the party, the first thing I said (drunkenly) was, "Don't bother with the cupcakes, they're a total scam."


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:15 AM
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According to Wikipedia, there are four different kinds of TX-style barbecue(d beef).

It's true. But though it matter not a whit to me, the general consensus seems to be that the Hill country (near Austin) has the best of it, at least of beef brisket.

Regardless of the truth of that, looking for it in Oregon is perverse.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:15 AM
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49: That is tragic and pretty gross. Who in the world frosts blueberry muffins?!


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:20 AM
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Who in the world frosts blueberry muffins?!

sociopaths, that's who.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:21 AM
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39, 41: We're vegetarians, so it's an academic question.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:22 AM
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We're vegetarians

Don't worry, it will pass.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:23 AM
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We're vegetarians

That belongs with the rest of the anti-American sentiment in the Wright thread.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:26 AM
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39: Jesus, you're Texas?! I had no idea. We'll definitely look you up sometime.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:26 AM
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54, 55: Be as smug as you want. I'm not the one driving up grain prices. You probably drive ethanol-powered cars, too.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:30 AM
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56: Vermont and other parts northeast, actually, but I'm flattered you might think me from among you. No, the barbecue guy is from Waxahachie.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:31 AM
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Weirdly, my hick little hometown had a really fanfuckingtastic local sandwich shop on Main Street. Chapel Hill has a great deli place but it knows it's a gimmick and kind of unique. Otherwise it's all chains (I got a wrap from one for lunch this very day) around here.

On the other hand, we can't swing a stick without hitting good barbecue, good Thai and good Indian. There's a place down the street from Rah and me that does a pretty stellar Panang beef I want right now despite having already eaten.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:33 AM
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You probably drive ethanol-powered cars, too.

My car is powered by bacon grease.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:33 AM
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58: Oh, that makes more sense. I definitely thought you were an East coaster.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:33 AM
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58: Oh, that makes more sense. I definitely thought you were an East coaster.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:34 AM
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Really, really definitely.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:34 AM
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And happy thoughts.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:34 AM
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Instead of getting stuck on just boring old sandwiches, the portable food niche is also filled by burritos, tacos, banh mi and sausages.

As for:

the Bay Area is inferior to any other place I've lived

Waah, you have no sandwiches. Waah, there are no seasons. Waah, earthquakes scare me. Move back to flyover country if it sucks so much here, interloper.


Posted by: Magpie | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:35 AM
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San Francisco has plenty of good sandwich places. The sandwiches are just round, wrapped in aluminum foil, and get their starch from a mix of rice and bread rather than only bread.


Posted by: water moccasin | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:35 AM
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I only eat animals raised on other animals; wouldn't want to deprive the vegetarians one morsel of delicious, delicious GM corn.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:38 AM
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My car body is powered by bacon grease.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:38 AM
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I want a burrito now. Preferably from that little place right below the Claremont Hotel in Oakland.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:38 AM
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M/lls is a vegetarian??


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:39 AM
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You know what would be freakin' great? A merguez burrito.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:39 AM
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27: Tragic news, Di! Bombon in the Loop is truly closed, and soon to be replaced by yet another crappy Thai place!

I mourn, then I take a bite of my delicious charred polish with mustard, grilled onions and hot peppers, then I mourn a little more. Thankfully, one of my friends will be moving to within a block or so of the original Pilsen location of Bombon in a couple months.

66: Burritos don't count. They're delicious, but it's hard to throw a rock without hitting a decent burrito place in this town. Tell me something I'm missing out on!


Posted by: Po-Mo Polymath | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:40 AM
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19: I know I'll regret this, Minneapolis-area lurkers (who are, no doubt, legion)...but an excellent mostly-fair-trade-mostly-organic place for sandwiches is Common Roots on Nicollet. Yeah, it's in the crappy hipster part of town, I admit, and the clientele is kind of loathsome (except for me, naturally...I am nothing but delightful, and I tip well). But the food is awfully good and remarkably cheap, and I have it on the authority of a New York-type person that the bagels actually taste like New York bagels. Plus, for those of us who have never been to New York and hence don't even know what that means, I add that they're good bagels.


Additionally, you can step across the street and spend your extra money at Arise Books after you've eaten.


Posted by: Frowner | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:40 AM
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Burritos are great. Burritos are not sandwiches.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:40 AM
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70: Yup. (Though he lets himself eat duck once a year.) Why is that shocking?


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:41 AM
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73: Many of the hipster clients of Common Roots, I admit, do know enough to close their tags. But I'm old school; I don't pay attention to that stuff.


Posted by: Frowner | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:41 AM
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I do think it's pretty amusing that Sir Kraab and I are discussing bbq.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:42 AM
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a decent burrito place in this town

In Chicago? Is that a fairly recent (~10 years) development, or was I just missing all the burritos when I was there?


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:42 AM
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Burritos are nice, but burritos will stop you from doing all the sandwiches you'd like to.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:42 AM
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New York-type person

Anti-Semite.


Posted by: Ari | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:43 AM
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Lately I'm increasingly unable to digest meat.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:44 AM
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Why is that shocking?

Because I like M/lls and he seemed like a decent enough guy.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:44 AM
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81: See! Next texas meetup will be veggie...


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:45 AM
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I hear m/tch does like shellfish.


Posted by: Will | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:45 AM
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78: Agreed. There certainly weren't any in the neighborhoods I most often frequented.

In Munich this summer I had Thai food. They offered turkey as a meat option for their red, yellow, and green curries at the place we patronized. Turkey curry? Whoever heard of such a thing? I can recommend against it.


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:46 AM
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82: foodist


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:46 AM
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Query:
Alfalfa Sprouts: delicious sandwich additive, or hippie food that tastes like dirt?


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:49 AM
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78: It's probably a somewhat recent development in most neighborhoods, and especially downtown. Most of the neighborhoods I spend free time in have had good burrito joints for ages, but they are generally ones where white people have only moved in within the last 10 years.

Lincoln Park still probably doesn't have any burrito joints other than Chipotle, but even Wrigleyville/Lakeview has some great options.


Posted by: Po-Mo Polymath | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:49 AM
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It would be silly of me to object to the "New York style bagels" characterization, especially when people let my "Boston has pizza every bit as good as New York!" comment stand unchallenged last night, right?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:50 AM
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Back to Bay Area sandwiches, anyone try Moishe's Pippic in Hayes Valley? I've always meant to try it, and never quite get there.


Posted by: moira | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:50 AM
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Does anyone know a burrito place in NY that will sell me a good Californian-style burrito with black beans, fresh cilantro, plenty of guacamole, and real tomatoes? Preferably under seven dollars.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:52 AM
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Alfafa sprouts: delicious hippie food!


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:53 AM
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I vote in favor of alfalfa sprouts.


Posted by: Will | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:54 AM
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78: Maybe I'm showing my various failures of judgment, but when I lived in Chicago I had a lot of burritos that I thought were really good (at least by the standards of Minneapolis). Vegetarian ones, admittedly, Ogged. I was living in a convent in Andersonville and there were a couple of good little hole-in-the-wall places right around there, maybe further from the lake rather than closer.

Also, in the early nineties there used to be this very nice place on the edge of what is now Wicker Park, right across from a Polish bakery...was it on Devon? I used to walk down to Quimby's, buy some Love and Rockets comics, get a burrito and some sort of Polish sweet and then go idle away the hours in the park. But the past is another country, a country with much better food.


Posted by: Frowner | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:54 AM
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91: good luck with that.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:54 AM
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I was living in a convent in Andersonville

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Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:57 AM
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I've heard that Moishe's sucks. But the person who told me that is an unreasonable purist.

San Francisco has plenty of good sandwich places. The sandwiches are just round, wrapped in aluminum foil, and get their starch from a mix of rice and bread rather than only bread.

Ogged is right, though; a burrito isn't a sandwich. There is much more variety in the sandwich world than in the burrito world, even if my mole burrito on sunday was delicious.

One of the halal butchers in the tandooriloin recommended on zabihah sells some pretty good merguez. Also: big jars of ghee. I can't remember which one, though.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:58 AM
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12: My New York-exile parents raised me on Hot Jumbo Bagel. Do they not meet your standards?


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:58 AM
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You might have to use the tunnel, Jackmormon.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:58 AM
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89: Object if you like...I've never been to New York myself, so I have nothing invested in the phrase. An actual New Yorker did say it to me, but perhaps the use of phrases like that had caused the other New Yorkers to drive her out, hence her presence at Common Roots.

They're nice bagels, though. Certainly the best I've had around here.


Posted by: Frowner | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:59 AM
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Though he lets himself eat duck once a year.

You only eat meat one time a year, and you choose duck? Duck? What the fuck, M/lls?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 12:00 PM
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82: So, um, what exactly does that mean about your feelings about me & soup?


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 12:00 PM
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98: They seem to no longer have a 5th street store-front. I'm not sure I've ever had one.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 12:01 PM
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a couple of good little hole-in-the-wall places right around [Andersonville]

El Norte!

But yeah, any places that used to be good in Wicker Park have long closed down. Such is the way of things. But now there's Pilsen, Humboldt Park, and Logan Square.


Posted by: Po-Mo Polymath | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 12:02 PM
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96: There's a convent in Andersonville, Ogged--nuns have a right to a place to live, too. And Andersonville is a neighborhood on the north side, once home to the proletariat and now, not.

Jeez, I thought all you cosmopolitan, heavily travelled types knew the main quality-sandwich-ingredients neighborhoods of every city over 200,000 people.

Or did you mean to ask why I was living in the convent? Wouldn't you like to know...


Posted by: Frowner | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 12:02 PM
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99.---Oh my god, how I wish it were true!


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 12:05 PM
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There was always Pilsen.

PMP: is that taqueria in Wicker Park that had only half a street number still open? It was on Division, maybe a block and a half west of the blue line stop. I ate many a chorizo burrito there.


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85: Ooh, you were in Munich? Any places you can recommend?

Burritos are great. Burritos are not sandwiches.

I don't go to New York and whine about the lack of burritos. I don't go to New Orleans and bitch about there being no fresh vegetables within 100 miles. (I think it, but I have the grace to keep my trap shut about it around the locals.) Why do people think it's OK to do this in the Bay Area?


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Alfalfa sprouts are unbelievably terrible.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 12:06 PM
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94: at least by the standards of Minneapolis

I actually thought a surprising number of decent taquerias were popping up near the end of my Mpls years. They were largely concentrated along East Lake Street, and especially Nicollet north of Lake, IIRC, but I thought the city was doing a fine job with the burrito by the time I left. Perhaps my palate was less sophisticated, though. I was but a lad back then.


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 12:06 PM
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The guy who wrote up the Alameda-Weehawken Burrito Tunnel is also the author of Argentina on Two Steaks a Day.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 12:08 PM
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98: Never heard of it, but I'll definitely check it out.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 12:08 PM
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I don't go to New York and whine about the lack of burritos.

I didn't for a long long time. Now I really want a good burrito.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 12:09 PM
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Why do people think it's OK to do this in the Bay Area?

Because we like sandwiches. Also, plenty of people bitch about the lack of burritos in NYC. Someone's doing so in this very thread.

Two steaks a day!


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 12:09 PM
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nuns have a right to a place to live, too

You'd think that, and yet...


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98, 112: Hot Jumbo Bagels seems to be a wholesale place so I'll have to find a store that carries. They have some unfortunate kinds (apple-granola?) but I guess that have to make some concessions for Austin hippies.


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108: Ooh, you were in Munich? Any places you can recommend?

Just long enough to sample the Thai food and check out the Marienplatz. I'm sure someone else here is more qualified to make recommendations.


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 12:12 PM
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Alfalfa sprouts are unbelievably terrible.

I like alfalfa sprouts. You really don't understand straight people, I guess.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 12:12 PM
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I am utterly convinced the guy who wrote the burrito tunnel thing comments here.


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110: My neighborhood (around East Lake, let's say between Chicago and Hiawatha) is rife with good taquerias of all types. There's also a nice sit-down Equadorian place. And a bunch of good, struggling little places in the sort of ill-conceived Midtown Market. There's one called La Sirena Gorda with a really delightful logo of...as you might expect...a fat mermaid.

Tomorrow I am attending an immigrants' rights march in order to defend the last ten years of improvement in local dining. Cannot believe anyone in this burg doesn't grasp how much better things are now that we're not all Norwegians.

(I mean, I have actual political reasons too [she added sincerely])


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107: It may well be. The stretch of Division from Ashland to about Wood still has a fair number of original businesses along it. Beyond that, it's almost completely changed even in just the past 3-4 years.

I don't know the place you're talking about, though I never really spend time on that stretch of Division since I'm usually just passing through to some of the local bars further west.


Posted by: Po-Mo Polymath | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 12:15 PM
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You really don't understand straight people, I guess.

Que? No hablo <<breeder.>>


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 12:15 PM
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I know someone who knows the burrito tunnel guy. I believe he still lives in Argentina.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 12:15 PM
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99: I was wondering how long it'd take before a link to that appeared here.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 12:16 PM
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That isn't it's first appearance here, is it?


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its


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Seems to still exist. I often get nostalgic for Chicago even though my time there was pretty substanceless and isolated—it would be weird to go back and see all the places I never went be gone.

The Alliance Bakery was good, and the Red Hen, I think, that opened up around North and Milwaukee, also good.


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116: Shoot, I just talked to my dad, and he confirmed they no longer do retail. (Used to be a Sunday treat, going out at 7AM and getting still-hot bagels.) Central Market sold their bagels last I was there.

And agreed, they've had weird flavors over the years, but they still got the essentials right.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 12:21 PM
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91: There's a place called California Burrito on Court and Bergen in Cobble Hill that comes close. I eat there at least twice a week after the gym.


Posted by: Bave Dee | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 12:24 PM
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Awesome! Thanks, Bave Dee!


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 12:28 PM
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125: I don't think so, but I couldn't find the earlier reference.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 12:31 PM
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I know it was posted in the "New York Bagel" thread. I also blame it for my continued inability to take sommeliers completely seriously.


Posted by: water moccasin | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 12:34 PM
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The link in 114 is awesome.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 12:34 PM
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The link in 114 is awesome.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 12:35 PM
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You only eat meat one time a year, and you choose duck? Duck? What the fuck, M/lls?

I had the same thought, Apo.

Although the duck that m/tch actually eats is fois gras, so maybe that is a good choice.


Posted by: Will | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 12:38 PM
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Stanley is a non-meat eater too.


Posted by: Will | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 12:42 PM
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Certainly fois gras is the best duck product, but if I only got meat once a year--

Jesus, I got chills just typing that.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 12:42 PM
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133, 134: soooo awesome.

135: I was wonderiing if that was the case; Mai Tai doesn't eat meat the rest of the year so he can spend his yearly ration of cruelty wisely.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 12:43 PM
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If you're around the East Village, Nicky's Vietnamese Sandwiches kick so much ass, and are reasonably cheap to boot.


Posted by: Petey | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 12:48 PM
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What's wrong with duck? My favourite food is Beijing duck.

As for sandwiches, you can't beat a good salami and artichoke baguette with olive oil and black pepper.


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 12:52 PM
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I once went a year without eating desserts. It was really hard and frustrating and I regretted it immensely about halfway through.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 12:53 PM
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As for sandwiches, you can't beat a good salami and artichoke baguette with olive oil and black pepper.

Okay now, no need to get in some crazy "what is the best sandwich?" debate.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 12:53 PM
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98, 116: Hot Jumbo Bagel never really satisfied my bagel cravings when I lived in Austin, but it's been years, maybe they improved. But there was a decent-enough place on Guadalupe opposite the UT campus, around 22nd St. I think, can't remember the name, no idea if it's still there.


Posted by: potchkeh | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 12:58 PM
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I once went a year without eating desserts.

Heebie, heebie, heebie ... what were you thinking?


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 1:05 PM
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Other good Brooklyn eats for Jackmormon: Vicky's Vietnamese Sandwiches on Atlantic around Smith -- soooo good. And I had an outrageously good Cuban sandwich the other day at a little Mexican bakery on 5th ave and 21st. Fatty meat in bread is the best.


Posted by: Bave Dee | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 1:07 PM
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What's wrong with duck?

Nothing's wrong with duck qua duck. I like it. It just seems an odd choice for the only meat meal one gets in an entire year.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 1:15 PM
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Duck quack duck is the best duck.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 1:17 PM
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146: indeed, if I could only eat meat once (gulp) a year I think I'd go for an entire pig.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 1:19 PM
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144: It's just a plea for attention. Borderlines do that. Soon she'll be telling you terrible stories about being forced to live on Velveeta cheese and Spam. Pay her noheed.


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145: I'm now very confused. The address you give is the address for the Brooklyn branch of Nicky's, which petey mentioned in 140 and which I eat at either Sat. or Sun. pretty much every week. But there are two google hits for a Vicky's at that address as well. So while I still think you mean Nicky's, you've presumably been there and read the sign, and I don't know what's up.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 1:24 PM
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I live within walking distance of the Submarine Center at the end of West Portal. For some reason, I never go there.

The sandwich place I go to is pops. They are flaky about the hours but the parking is easy.

The Roxie Food Center is probably a little better but not that convenient to me.

I agree that the bay area is not a great sandwich place. For along time I used to get sandwiches at the Safeway deli.


This PBS special on sandwiches made me so hungry and jealous:

http://www.amazon.com/Sandwiches-That-You-Will-Like/dp/B0000A9GIZ
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandwiches_That_You_Will_Like


Posted by: lemmy caution | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 1:26 PM
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Columbo's deli in Pacifica is real good too:

http://www.yelp.com/biz/colombos-delicatessen-pacifica


Posted by: lemmy caution | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 1:29 PM
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Fatty meat in bread is the best.

Disputable, Bave. Vietnamese and Cuban sandwiches are all very well and good in their own ways, I suppose.


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72: When I was in Chicago recently the friend I was visiting showed me an awesome Mexican grocery which also has a lunch counter for tacos, burritos, and tortas. Unfortunately, I don't know the address, but it was only a couple blocks from my friends apartment, and his apartment is in turn a couple of blocks from the blue stop at Damen. Glancing at a map, I think the grocery may have been on Ashland, but only a guess.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 1:31 PM
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I missed 140. I think the sign says Vicky's, but maybe it says Nicky's. I think of it as "the banh mi place half a floor down from street level on Atlantic."


Posted by: Bave Dee | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 1:32 PM
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Correcting some things, I've never been to the Brooklyn Nicky's and meant to say I eat at the E.V. one on one of the weekend days every week, and I meant 139 and not 140.


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I live within walking distance of the Submarine Center at the end of West Portal. For some reason, I never go there.

Do it! Do it today! Do it for me!


Posted by: mano negra | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 1:41 PM
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It must be Nicky's. I'll try the EV location.


Posted by: Bave Dee | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 1:46 PM
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The Sandwich Place, 16th and Mission, east side of the street between 16th and 17th. Yum!


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102
82: So, um, what exactly does that mean about your feelings about me & soup?

soup, ogged still hasn't answered 102. I believe he is plotting against us.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 2:13 PM
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Soon she'll be telling you terrible stories about being forced to live on Velveeta cheese and Spam.

I've never tried Spam, I don't think, but I pretty much did live on Velveeta cheese in grad school. Happy, happy days. (For me, not for my cholesterol... )


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 2:20 PM
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"Correcting some things, I've never been to the Brooklyn Nicky's and meant to say I eat at the E.V. one on one of the weekend days every week, and I meant 139 and not 140."

Have I wondered into a Marx Brothers routine?

And stop calling me Vicky!


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72: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

I weep.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 2:54 PM
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There are very few things in this world better than a spam, egg, and blue cheese sandwich with lots of butter.


Posted by: Will | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 2:58 PM
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soup, ogged still hasn't answered 102. I believe he is plotting against us.

I believe you are correct. Implement plan zulu-alpha-papa-3.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 3:00 PM
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I could live in soup, kraab, m/tch, and stanley's non-meat world if I werent so lazy.

I already eat a lot of tofu dishes and/or meatless dishes.


Posted by: Will | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 3:07 PM
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a spam, egg, and blue cheese sandwich with lots of butter

Holy smokes, that sounds amazing. I can't believe I've never tried it before. In fact, I can't believe I don't eat it every day.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 3:16 PM
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I miss east coast sandwiches. Nothing fancy, just a hard roll, and packed with cheese, lettuce, onion, etc. I can find a fancy sandwich in L.A. -- the Cheese Shop has very good ones, and there's a panini uptick (have you been to Masa, jms?) -- but it was so divine when I was spending a month in a little Massachusetts beach town to bike into the center square and have a big fat Italian cheese sandwich.

This thread has made it become lunchtime.


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 4:06 PM
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SF: Ike's Place, on 16th between Market and Sanchez. Just went there for lunch today.

Also, Village Cheese House in Palo Alto.


Posted by: monosyllabic | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 4:06 PM
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"Argentina on two steaks a day" has made me a very uncertain vegetarian.

(I do eat fish. But now I want a steak with ham, egg and cheese on top. I do not think that qualifies as fish.)


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 4:09 PM
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mr pickles, 20th & s. van ness. check it out.


Posted by: scythia | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 4:12 PM
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168: Masa is kind of an unfriendly place. Also, did you know that they microwave their bread? It's true, the waiter confessed it. They do have very good salad though.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 4:23 PM
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It is delicious, jms.

Next unfogged meetup, I will make you one.


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 4:40 PM
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It is delicious, jms.

Next unfogged meetup, I will make you one.


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 4:41 PM
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Somebody seemingly hacked on Chipotle upthread, which is fine from a taste perspective, but let me throw this out: at least in Minnesota, all of their meats are ethically raised and slaughtered, locally farmed, and organic. The burritos aren't bad if not great--they are quickly becoming my go-to fast food.


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Somebody seemingly hacked on Chipotle upthread, which is fine from a taste perspective, but let me throw this out: at least in Minnesota, all of their meats are ethically raised and slaughtered, locally farmed, and organic. The burritos aren't bad if not great--they are quickly becoming my go-to fast food.


Posted by: Chopper | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 4:49 PM
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960 clearly shows that there is a disanalogy between progress toward proof of a mathematical proposition and solution of a problem in philosophy.

Otherwise, AP appears to be enthusiastic for settling things by a comparison between the progress made by analytic philosophers and the progress made in other humanities disciplines and even in the physical sciences. I thought this comparison was unfavourable enough when it was just made against Continental philosophy; to open up the field seems positively suicidal.


Posted by: government in exile | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 4:50 PM
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177: IT LIVES ON!


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 4:58 PM
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175, 176: It probably was me, and I didn't really mean to knock Chipotle. I've mentioned here before (I think even in defence of Chipotle) that "authenticity" is a canard when it comes to food and food quality. They make tasty burritos, and I absolutely love their guacamole. I was just meaning that, if an upscale neighborhood were to have one burrito place, it would probably be Chipotle and that Chipotle's presence signals nothing about the racial or culinary makeup of the area.


Posted by: Po-Mo Polymath | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 5:24 PM
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Ogged, culinary thought leader of the White People Internet.
Ogged -> Ezra ->Atrios.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 5:27 PM
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Can't live without my weekly Pluto's (Irving St) "Lunar Trip" -- grilled trip tip on french bread and a oh-so-delicious dip... and the side salad there is so big you can easily share it...

For a quick lunch Andronico's has a very yummy ready-made turkey sandwich with papaya and cranberry spreads...


Posted by: Monica | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 5:33 PM
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The best pastrami sandwich I've ever had was some place in North Beach.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 5:34 PM
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Monica, you in the 'hood? I'm on Hugo St.


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 5:38 PM
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174: Will, let's have a meetup RIGHT NOW.


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I hardly want to help someone who calls the BA inferior, but I'm surprised no one's mentioned Ratto's, in Oakland. 821 Washington. You can get classic or nouvelle, plus they have great retail.


Posted by: tomemos | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 6:30 PM
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Ogged -> Ezra ->Atrios.

A real sandwich.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 6:36 PM
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172: I find Masa outrageously friendly. The skinny young guys who works there is my fiancee's favorite waiter in the world.

Try the bread pudding. It will overcome any perceived truculence.


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186: that is amazingly gross looking.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 6:42 PM
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Magpie: years ago I was hungry in Munich and decided to follow some local youths I overheard talking about food, figuring they'd go for a döner. They went to McDonalds.


Posted by: fedward | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 6:49 PM
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Kraab: I admit I haven't been in Austin in years, but Thundercloud always had good sandwiches IME, and they're veggie friendly. Are they not good anymore?


Posted by: fedward | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 6:54 PM
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I have heard legends of good italian sandwiches in North Beach. But unforunatly its easier to get to freakin' Sacramento than it is to get to North Beach. I don't know if the people that planned the SF transit system did it on purpose, but really seems that North Beach is a different city, no way in or out. But yeah, in SF you are better off making your own sandwich at home, there are kick ass ingredients all over the city, so its just a matter of getting a toaster oven.


Posted by: Stephen | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 7:38 PM
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Ogged, you spoiled American, you're supposed to embrace what's good locally, rather than demanding that every place in America be just like every other place in America.


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186: Perfect! I've been trying to find some food that could be passed off to the Presidential candidates as authentic Indiana cuisine that you have to eat when you campaign there if you don't want to seem like an elitist snob. This fits the bill just right, I think.


Posted by: mano negra | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 8:44 PM
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Even as a sinful vegetarian, I'd probably pay to see someone eat this sandwich


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 9:42 PM
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In SF, you must try Arguello Super!! Best sandwiches ever. Okay, it's not a restaurant, it's a deli counter at a neighborhood store, but I defy you to resist (unless vegetarian) a sandwich on freshly baked dutch crunch bread with turkey so freshly roasted it's still on the rotisserie. Seriously, years after we moved away from SF, if anyone we knew was going, we'd try to get them to bring us a sandwich. And since it's at Arguello and Fulton, it's a fantastic place to pick up stuff for a picnic at Golden Gate Park.


Posted by: Zardeenah | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 10:18 PM
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I'd probably pay to see someone eat this sandwich

Yeah? How much?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 10:19 PM
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196: Damn, I figured you had gone to sleep and I could slyly get that one by the apo-radar. Um, I'll pay for the sandwich(es) and give you a nice shiny nickel. Next meetup.


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194: Needs bacon. Maybe some shrimp po' boy filling.


Posted by: Chopper | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 10:25 PM
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198: Maybe I can have you two bid me down, as I add more and more meat.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 10:34 PM
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And a Kobe!


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 10:34 PM
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Somebody must have mentioned this already, but Jesus Christ, get a burrito. SF has some of the best ones in the country. The sandwich is a supremely insipid comestible.


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201: Jesus H. Fucking Christ, you're not sure on Obama, okay. I can accept that. But sandwiches? You're anti-sandwich?! Fucking hell, man.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 10:56 PM
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So elitist. I'm definitely not voting for HRC now.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 10:58 PM
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HRC must denounce PGD.


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199/200: Actually, thinking about it, not that hard to do at home. You could even reduce the height problem/"bun" shape issue by pounding out your chicken breasts to a flat cutlet prior to breading and frying. The secret sauce is just Thousand Island dresing mixed into mayo, with a little catsup for color. Mince some onions, shred some iceberg, you're there.

I'd do it, but my wife would kill me if the heart attack didn't.


Posted by: Chopper | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:03 PM
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Indiana will never accept Clinton now unless she eats a sandwich publicly. Washed down with a beer. Not a microbrew, either.

Like any other American, I do place stuff on bread and eat it. Sometimes it's very good -- my open-faced tomato/avocado/goat cheese/kalamata olive/olive oil sandwich is a masterpiece. Even if it does sometimes collapse all over me while I'm trying to fit it in my mouth. But to go to a commercial establishment for a sandwich? Absurd.


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Even if it does sometimes collapse all over me while I'm trying to fit it in my mouth

WW, NN.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:07 PM
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Now I'm finding it hard not to make a partial exception for a good sub. Not a Mission District burrito, but not bad. Maybe I finally took trolling too far.

Any minute now, Ogged is going to pop in with "the thoughtfulness of your comments continues to decline, PGD".


Posted by: PGD | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:09 PM
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And a Kobe!


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:19 PM
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There is at least one restaurant in Vegas that serves Kobe sliders. They were amazingly delicious.


Posted by: water moccasin | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:28 PM
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Late to the thread, but: what a lazy man's bitch. You have access to good bread, good meat, and outstanding produce. I've heard these can be combined to form some sort of lunchy concoction, but that could be enemy propaganda.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 04-30-08 11:37 PM
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Atlas Cafe, SF, Alabama and 19th in the Mission District. Awesome smoked trout sandwich.


Posted by: Sock Puppet of the Great Satan | Link to this comment | 05- 1-08 9:24 AM
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imho Berkeley has the best sandwich of the bay -- it's this little kiosk at the top of University Ave right by the campus -- it's a Brazilian guy, Paulo I think. He makes this trip tip with an incredible cilantro sauce -- wish I could get his recipe for the sauce... The other sandwiches are really good as well, had also chicken with corn.


Posted by: bezerkely | Link to this comment | 05- 1-08 10:22 AM
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Right by Golden Gate Park, at 9th Ave in the Sunset, is a pedestrian-looking sandwich shop with a pedestrian-looking menu, but cranks out the best roast-beef sammich I've ever had.

At least, the shop was there when I last lived in San Fran, eight years ago.


Posted by: goofyfoot | Link to this comment | 05- 1-08 10:58 AM
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And no one has followed up on #2's Bakesale Betty's mention. Fried chicken sandwich with spicy coleslaw. Sheesh. To die for. Oakland rocks!


Posted by: Wendy | Link to this comment | 05- 1-08 11:44 AM
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215: I've never actually been to Bakesale Betty's, 'cause the long lines always discourage me. But there's also awesome sandwiches to be had across the street at Genova. Mmm, coppa and mortadella.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 05- 1-08 12:53 PM
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looks pretty good.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 05- 1-08 1:11 PM
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