Re: Well, How Would You Like To Be A Worthless White Nigger?

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Is this in the actual movie, or is it an outtake? I'm surprised I've never heard of it before.

Nice suspenders though.


Posted by: Oy | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 9:37 AM
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Is this in the actual movie, or is it an outtake?

I was wondering that, too. Don't know.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 9:39 AM
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Let's be charitable: maybe he meant it in a positive sense, as super cool life experience. Like being a poor black man from Mississippi who sold his soul to the devil for the ability to play guitar.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 9:41 AM
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I guess it would be OK

would I get to have rhythm?


Posted by: felix | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 9:42 AM
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I got called a white nigger once by some local youth who drove by on a bicycle and boinged my hair as they passed me. Then their bicycle's chain skipped a gear, so they came to a crashing halt, and I got to walk by and smirk.

I think this means I should move to Indiana, right?


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 9:48 AM
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At least he didn't call them "bitter."


Posted by: Moby Ape | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 9:50 AM
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People actually talk like that? And what the fuck kind of hat is James Carville wearing?


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 9:51 AM
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5.1: And then you got on the bike and taped your feet to the pedal and won the whole race all by yourself. Not a dry eye in the theater.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 9:52 AM
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8: Breaking A-wigger-wigger-way!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 9:54 AM
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5: You could carry your stand mixer with you to avoid those moments, if you want.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 9:54 AM
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I believe "White Negro" is the preferred appellation.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 10:01 AM
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I believe "White Negro" is the preferred appellation.

Honkoloid.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 10:03 AM
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"The White Negro" is not a very good essay.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 10:05 AM
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I believe "White Negro" is the preferred appellation.

The term is Appalachian American, surely.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 10:05 AM
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Kantor says it's a fake, and offers another clip of the same scene.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 10:12 AM
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I associate the term with Québécois militancy from the sixties; I seem to remember the late Norman Mailer using it in another context, which I can't place right now and may be misremembering.


Posted by: I don't pay | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 10:14 AM
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15: Ha. I believe Kantor. It's not like he didn't know the camera was there.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 10:15 AM
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Well, in the other clip "those people are shit" is still there, but MK says he is talking about the pollsters. But whatever he says in the other bit is unintelligible to me. It actually doesn't sound at all the same. But I don't know.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 10:18 AM
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I associate the term with Québécois militancy from the sixties

Yeah, I seem to recall seeing a book title along these lines or something.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 10:18 AM
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19: I'm sorry? Who are you? Your name sounds familiar . . .


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 10:19 AM
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Also, hi everyone. I'm back from my travels.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 10:19 AM
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Heh.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 10:20 AM
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15: if it really is a fake, awesome.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 10:20 AM
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I associate the term with Québécois militancy from the sixties

Yeah, Pierre Vallières claimed it for the Québécois. Hoosiers will have to come up with their own insulting epithet, like maybe "Hoosiers."


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 10:21 AM
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Kantor says it's a fake, and offers another clip of the same scene.

Holy crap, it's true; his lips don't match the audio at the end of the clip.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 10:22 AM
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Oh those wacky FLQ


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 10:22 AM
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"It actually doesn't sound at all the same. But I don't know."

He does say "worthless white niggers". He's whispering so it is hard to make out, but download a program like Audacity(it's free), record the sound from the video and adjust the volume as high as you can and you should be able to make the words out- it's not going to come out like clear speech obviously, but you'll be able to understand it.


Posted by: tank jones | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 10:22 AM
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24: That's the book I was thinking of.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 10:23 AM
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So could his lips not match the audio because someone has beefed up the sound and resynched it? Or is it a fake?


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 10:24 AM
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27: Cousin Tank! It's been so long.


Posted by: strasmangelo jones | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 10:24 AM
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He does say "worthless white niggers"

The audio is definitely "worthless white nigger," but I don't think Kantor said that. I should have looked more closely before I posted, but I wasn't even thinking of doctored audio.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 10:25 AM
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Kantor says it's a fake

That doesn't surprise me. I didn't remember this from the movie, but I haven't seen The War Room in ten or fifteen years.

(Yeah. I was thinking of the Mailer essay.)


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 10:25 AM
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D. A. Pennebaker is now saying the film has been doctored.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 10:25 AM
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Looks to me like that's what he's whispering.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 10:26 AM
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33: oh like he would know.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 10:27 AM
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What a fun 5 minute controversy! Apparently the original line that got dubbed over was, "How would you like to be in the White House?"


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 10:31 AM
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The audio in both sounds the same to me. The major difference is that in the longer clip the sound is much quieter, and there's no subtitles (and thus, nothing to suggest an interpretation of what I might otherwise write off as inaudible gibberish). When I strain to listen to the sound in the original clip, I think I hear "worthless white niggers," but I don't trust this judgment because (1) I've already heard the other clip (with the subtitles) and I'm no doubt influenced by that information, and (2) I'm already predisposed to believing that campaign operatives are preternaturally amoral turds who spend all their spare time heckling poor black people while freebasing baby blood in a hearty, backslapping manner.


Posted by: strasmangelo jones | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 10:32 AM
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Well, now that that's settled, on to the important issues.

The Denver man, who sponsored an offbeat ballot initiative that would have required the city to implement stress-reduction techniques, now wants to ask voters to create a commission dealing with space aliens.

"It is important because if you're driving down the highway and you saw a crash of a small spaceship and a car or a bus full of kids, you really wouldn't know what to do," Peckman said Thursday. "Do you wait for the hazardous materials experts to show up because of potential contaminants from another solar system? What do you do? People really don't know."

Peckman, 54, who is single and lives with his parents, has submitted to the city a draft of the proposed ordinance, which would require the creation of an Extraterrestrial Affairs Commission.

As required, the city is holding a "review and comment" meeting on the proposed ballot initiative with Peckman on Thursday.

"I don't know what we're going to ask him yet," said David Broadwell, an assistant city attorney.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 10:32 AM
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Somebody must have Audacity and the ability to normalize and/or compress, right?

I'd do it if I weren't at work. Extract, people! Extract and enhance! Don't let the wingnuts have all the Jr. Detective Bullshit fun.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 10:33 AM
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36: Or rather, How would you like to be in the White House right now?


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 10:33 AM
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40: Yep, that's what it sounds like.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 10:34 AM
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38: no wonder Farber's moving.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 10:35 AM
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40: That's according to Sam Stein. I don't hear that in the original.


Posted by: strasmangelo jones | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 10:35 AM
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I love the last two paragraphs of 38.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 10:37 AM
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That's according to Sam Stein. I don't hear that in the original.

But it makes a hell of a lot more sense (as in, I'll bet the GHWB campaign is shitting their pants right now) than "worthless white nigger," which is pretty non sequiturish.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 10:38 AM
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45: Yeah, he doesn't even say "those people are shit"; he says "those people are shitting."


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 10:40 AM
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45: boy it's just like those Clintonista bastards to be making non-sequitors.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 10:40 AM
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Okay fine, he didn't say it, but HRC is still a monster.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 10:41 AM
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45: worthless white nigger," which is pretty non sequiturish.

I assumed he was referring to Carville.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 10:41 AM
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Worthless white neighbor? That does make sense!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 10:42 AM
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I feel sort of bad for laughing at 49.


Posted by: strasmangelo jones | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 10:43 AM
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I maintain that contrary to ogged's update, the audio hasn't been doctored at all; it's just that Kantor's original lines are hard to hear and it's easy for misleading subtitles to alter our perception.


Posted by: strasmangelo jones | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 10:48 AM
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I'm still hopin' on Audacity.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 10:49 AM
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52 sounds reasonable, though. It may just be the political hit version of this.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 10:50 AM
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51: You and me stras, comedy buds forever. Maybe we can do a series of movies like Hope and Crosby, On the Road to Singularity Annihilation.

52: Per tank and ST, I await some techie to get to work and get this answered soonest!


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 10:50 AM
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49: Atrios think he's referring to Clinton, or rather the Bush campaign's view of Clinton.


Posted by: Cain | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 10:53 AM
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As per usual, I'll propsoe that Carville's mouth be swabbed for secondhand Cheney semen. I don't see how anyone could trust that guy.

I can see how Hillary could trust him. By "anybody" I mean "any Democrat who isn't a completely cynical insider".


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 10:53 AM
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"Do you wait for the hazardous materials experts to show up because of potential contaminants from another solar system? What do you do? People really don't know."

Surely someone here must have a really strongly-held and apparently expert opinion on this.


Posted by: felix | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 10:57 AM
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Just checked the DVD copy. Doesn't sound like the audio's been altered.

The closed captions are "Those people are shit. Oh, excuse me. How would you like to be on the back of this one?"

I think 45 and 46 are basically right.


Posted by: kegler | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 10:59 AM
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56: I think he's updated the post.

"The offending phrase is certainly less audible than in the bullshit Youtube clip, and most likely is just something along the lines of 'how would you like to be working in the white house' though it's hard to hear."


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 10:59 AM
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My bet is that it's the original audio, but it's the subtitling that's making people hear 'worthless white nigger', if only because I find it unbelievable that this is, what, 16 years old and no one's called the Clintons on this before.

Distort the tart in my nub.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 11:02 AM
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I hope Kantor sues Ogged.


Posted by: Petey | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 11:04 AM
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I'll sell the blog to pornographers and pay him off.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 11:05 AM
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I find it unbelievable that this is, what, 16 years old and no one's called the Clintons on this before.

There's a shitload of stuff nobody's really called the Clintons on before.


Posted by: strasmangelo jones | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 11:08 AM
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"I'll sell the blog to pornographers and pay him off."

Then it's win/win.

You pay for treating a Democrat with the intellectual dishonesty reserved for Republicans, Kantor can donate the money he wins from you to some organization that will actually help the American people - perhaps the Clinton campaign so that we can actually get universal healthcare - and you get to cash out.


Posted by: Petey | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 11:14 AM
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I'll sell the blog to pornographers and pay him off.

Here that everyone? Fewer swimming posts!


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 11:14 AM
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*hear, dammitall


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 11:15 AM
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You pay for treating a Democrat with the intellectual dishonesty reserved for Republicans unless you're the Clinton campaign, in which case you've been running on all GOP cylinders for a while now.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 11:17 AM
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Petey, you aren't allowed here unless you bring us cake.


Posted by: strasmangelo jones | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 11:17 AM
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69 expresses 68 rather better than I managed.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 11:18 AM
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You pay for treating a Democrat with the intellectual dishonesty reserved for Republicans

Coming from a Clinton supporter, this is pretty rich.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 11:18 AM
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perhaps the Clinton campaign so that we can actually get universal healthcare

that's easily the funniest thing I've read today.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 11:20 AM
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FewerWay more interesting swimming posts!


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 11:23 AM
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I like this dogged belief in some quarters that the one person we need to go to for universal health care is Hillary Clinton - the person who fucked up the last plan for universal health care, and who's spent the intervening decade and a half sucking up money from the health care industry. She's such a corporate tool, how can she not fix the system?


Posted by: strasmangelo jones | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 11:24 AM
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"Petey, you aren't allowed here unless you bring us cake."

Then fucking ban me. I post under the same name all the time. It should be easy.

Fuck all you idiots who think the core mission of the Democratic Party is something other than social justice.


Posted by: Petey | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 11:27 AM
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Then fucking ban me.

This is actually a terrific idea, if anybody with the mechanism to do so is reading.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 11:28 AM
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Petey, this isn't Yggy's place, you're going to have to be more subtle than that to troll us. Then again, I'd be pretty moody too, if I were carrying John Edwards' "secret" love child.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 11:28 AM
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Console yourselves with another video:

Baptist Minister Asks MeCain: Did You Call Your Wife a Cunt?


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 11:29 AM
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Social justice is contained in a minute difference in a health care proposal that will never pass!


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 11:30 AM
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This is what happens when you meet a stranger in the Alps.


Posted by: My Alter Ego | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 11:30 AM
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Fuck all you idiots who think the core mission of the Democratic Party is something other than social justice.

Social justice as re-interpreted by the DLC? Pass.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 11:31 AM
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79: and fuck all the idiots who don't understand that!

Maybe Petey saw us all sympathizing with McManus and, having missed the Shearer thread, saw an opening in the unfogged troll department? This is like a tryout.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 11:31 AM
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Fuck all you idiots who think the core mission of the Democratic Party is something other than social justice.

Which relates to the Clintons how, exactly? Oh wait, this was just a half-assed troll, right?


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 11:31 AM
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Fuck all you idiots who think the core mission of the Democratic Party is something other than social justice Hillary Clinton.

There, fixed that for you.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 11:32 AM
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This is like a tryout.

So far not making the grade. Who knows...


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 11:32 AM
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From the link in 78:

Clive businessman Marty Parrish was escorted from Sen. John McCain's town hall meeting by Des Moines police and members of the Secret Service after asking McCain if he had called his wife Cindy an expletive in 1992.
Noted without comment.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 11:33 AM
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Ways to start a marital tiff: refer to one's spouse's diligence in rating the Netflix library as 'great, now it's going to think I want to watch The Wiggles Go To Pokemon Camp.'
Ways to get revenge: change iGoogle theme to Wiggles.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 11:33 AM
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87 me.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 11:34 AM
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86: it's what the secret service do, man.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 11:34 AM
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Distort the tart in my nub.

Easy rider salad the mall
Who dong hide?

Forgot to pay you taco nazi


Posted by: peter | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 11:35 AM
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87: which of you is a Wiggles fan?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 11:35 AM
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87/88: What other earthly purpose is there in a joint netflix account ?


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 11:36 AM
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80: Whee! That's my favorite. Do you see what happens, Larry?


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 11:37 AM
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91: Neither, but the snide comment was me. He likes nearly every movie that I like, but also likes pretty much every dumb comedy under the sun.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 11:37 AM
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You nerd!

You fuzzy nerd!


Posted by: peter | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 11:38 AM
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So when protesters at McCain's inauguration get put in free-speech cages, will they get gov't-issued orange jumpsuits? It seems only fair, and it would enhance the sense of team spirit.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 11:39 AM
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So far not making the grade.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 11:40 AM
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change iGoogle theme to Wiggles.

I changed mine to Shepard Fairey the other day, but I think I'm going back to my old Bus Stop one.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 11:42 AM
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I would pay $653 to hear someone ask Stephanopoulos if Mickey Kantor loves America.


Posted by: Sven | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 12:34 PM
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No no, Sven, the question to ask is, "Does Mickey Kantor love America as much as you do?" That way it has that perfect "have you stopped beating your wife" ring to it.


Posted by: strasmangelo jones | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 12:40 PM
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That way it has that perfect "have you stopped beating your wife" ring to it.

Yours looks closer to "Have you stopped being the best husband imaginable to your wife."


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 12:43 PM
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Really? Any possible answer to that question can be construed very negatively.
If "Yes," then Mickey Kantor loves the country very little, and so do you.
If "No," then Mickey Kantor loves the country very little, and you love it less, or alternatively, love it more but are willing to make judgments about how much someone loves their country, which is also bad.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 1:02 PM
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Screw it. Let's change the question to, "Do you love Mikey Kantor?"


Posted by: Sven | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 1:07 PM
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Hey -- someone extracted and enhanced the audio. It is really hard to tell what the heck is being said. Here.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 1:30 PM
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101: Jokes explained for the Timbot-impaired.


Posted by: strasmangelo jones | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 2:19 PM
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As required, the city is holding a "review and comment" meeting on the proposed ballot initiative with Peckman on Thursday.
"I don't know what we're going to ask him yet," said David Broadwell, an assistant city attorney.

When I read this, I immediately thought of Bob. No, I don't find him trollish, or even that crazy, this just seemed like the flip side of him. "See? Procedural liberalism isn't all bad," or something like that.


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 2:29 PM
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21 I'm back from my travels
Budapest/ Bucharest? how interesting
about Romania i don't know much, but
my connections with Hungary are various and include: my father attended a Comecon meeting in the late 70 ies, i used to stare long time at the picture of the palace on the souvenir he brought back, my HS teacher's youngest daughter died there from renal failure, she was an exchange trainee, my friend also attended some theatre festival in the late 90 ies, and i knew a Hungarian lady married to the Japanese prof, we were good friends and used to party together


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 5:47 PM
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I associate the term with Québécois militancy from the sixties

Too late: the Massachusetts Bureau of Labor Statistics already named them in 1881:

With some exceptions the Canadian French are the Chinese of the Eastern States. They care nothing for our institutions, civil, political, or educational. They do not come to make a home among us, to dwell with us as citizens, and so become a part of us ; but their purpose is merely to sojourn a few years as aliens, touching us only at a single point, that of work, and, when they have gathered out of us what will satisfy their ends, to get them away to whence they came, and bestow it there. They are a horde of industrial invaders, not a stream of stable settlers. Voting, with all that it implies, they care nothing about, Rarely does one of them become naturalized. They will not send their children to school if they can help it, but endeavor to crowd them into the mills at the earliest possible age. To do this they deceive about the age of their children with brazen effrontery. They deceive also about their schooling, declaring that they have been to school the legal time, when they know they have not, and do not intend that they shall. And when at length they are cornered by the school officers, and there is no other escape, often they scrabble together what few things they have, and move away to some other place where they are unknown, and where they hope by a repetition of the same deceits to escape the schools entirely, and keep the children at work right on in the mills. And when, as is indeed sometimes the case, any of them are so situated that they cannot escape at all, then the stolid indifference of the children wears out the teacher with what seems to be an idle task.
These people have one good trait. They are indefatigable workers, and docile. All they ask is to be set to work, and they care little who rules them or how they are ruled. To earn all they can by no matter how many hours of toil, to live in the most beggarly way so that out of their earnings they may spend as little for living as possible, and to carry out of the country what they- can thus save : this is the aim of the Canadian French in our factory districts. Incidentally they must have some amusements ; and, so far as the males are concerned, drinking and smoking and lounging constitute the sum of these.

Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 05- 2-08 6:15 PM
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