Re: This Is Not A Plan

1

I *hate* you with all the seething hatred of overwhelming envy.

The bf's fav. hotel in Vancouver is Pacific Palisades. In Portland, I recommend you stay with my friends C. and J. and their two adorable boys, neither of whom I've met yet, goddammit.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 2:43 PM
horizontal rule
2

I just back from a long weekend in Portland, myself. We stayed at the Ace Hotel. You can get the backstory online, but it's basically an old SRO renovated into a hipster boutique hotel -- cool design, perfect lobby for lounging. The rooms are sparse, but the price is right.


Posted by: Gump | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 2:48 PM
horizontal rule
3

I stayed at the Heathman in Portland years ago and loved it. FWIW.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 2:49 PM
horizontal rule
4

Damn. I won't be there. But Jesus probably will be!


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 2:52 PM
horizontal rule
5

Experience Maximizers suck.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 2:53 PM
horizontal rule
6

It's probably quite full of a certain yuppie vibe, but the McMenamins inns in the Portland area are popular.


Posted by: Klug | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 2:54 PM
horizontal rule
7

Utterly full.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 3:04 PM
horizontal rule
8

Isn't someone supposed to tell Ogged not to move to Portland?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 3:04 PM
horizontal rule
9

Slightly OT bleg: I'm headed to Seattle in a couple of weeks. I'm staying near Pike Place, but I only have a little bit of time, and I really, really need to get to Fran's Chocolates (in University Village) while I'm there. What's the public transit situation like in Seattle?


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 3:04 PM
horizontal rule
10

My advice is to forego Fran's Chocolates and go to the Zig Zag Cafe, which is also near Pike Place.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 3:12 PM
horizontal rule
11

If my committee finally puts its collective head together, I should be taking a celebratory trip to Austin in the last few days of May.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 3:14 PM
horizontal rule
12

forego

Tsk.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 3:19 PM
horizontal rule
13

My advice is that Ben's smoking something. If the bus routes are still the same as they used to be, the routes that run from downtown to the U District are 71, 72, and 73. You'd catch the bus on 3rd (maybe in the tunnel now?), get off on University, and either catch a bus across 45th (don't know the route) or just walk over the hill to U Village (maybe a mile).


Posted by: Not Prince Hamlet | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 3:22 PM
horizontal rule
14

Obviously Ben meant that jms should go to Fran's first, and only then go to Zig Zag Cafe. What's the problem?


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 3:22 PM
horizontal rule
15

Also, we were pretty happy with the Embassy Suites in downtown Portland. It's an old hotel that's been refurbished and rebranded. Comfortable and convenient. But we're pretty bourgeois and have a kid.


Posted by: Not Prince Hamlet | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 3:24 PM
horizontal rule
16

9: The #25 bus goes to U Village from downtown, but not on weekends. U Village is actually in Ravenna, not the U District. I would say it's a long way to go for chocolate, but I buy Hershey's, at the gas station.


Posted by: Michael Vanderwheel, B.A. | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 3:24 PM
horizontal rule
17

16: I am not allowed to return from the Northwest without Fran's. Downtown Seattle to University Village is not a major undertaking.


Posted by: Not Prince Hamlet | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 3:29 PM
horizontal rule
18

I'm travelling almost 1000 miles to get to Seattle (it's a business trip, but I thought of Fran's when I agreed to go); I don't mind taking an extra bus ride or two.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 3:36 PM
horizontal rule
19

I'm staying near Pike Place,

Make sure to stop in here.


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 3:39 PM
horizontal rule
20

@9

Too bad you can't wait until September, when one opens in the Four Seasons on First Ave.

Getting to U Village from downtown would take a while. You can get Fran's chocolates at a lot of places, including this place. You should also check out Theo's chocolates. Again the trip to Fremont to get them on site is probably not worth it, but you can get them at the aforementioned place as well.


Posted by: F | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 3:40 PM
horizontal rule
21

Or for about the same amount of time as it would take to navigate public transportation to and from the U Village, you could do this.


Posted by: F | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 3:44 PM
horizontal rule
22

go to a portland timbers game. probably one of the best american soccer experiences you can have, despite the timbers being one level beneath mls. the timbers army is the supporters group and one of the coolest groups you'll find in the united states as well as europe (seriously). some english supporters went to a recent game and said that the atmosphere rivaled any stadium in england (albeit with fewer people). they play montreal on august 16th.


Posted by: expat lumberjack | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 3:51 PM
horizontal rule
23

19: That place looks wonderful.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 3:52 PM
horizontal rule
24

I should be taking a celebratory trip to Austin in the last few days of May.

Sigh, the rest of TX is always second fiddle ...


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 3:52 PM
horizontal rule
25

I've only ever stayed in Portland or Vancouver on someone else's dime, but the Hotel Deluxe in Portland and the Pan Pacific in Vancouver were quite nice and not super expensive.


Posted by: F | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 3:52 PM
horizontal rule
26

Not to jinx anything, but I'll be in the Northwest sometime around then and would like to have another go at a meetup if it works out. No holidays + less assembled family should mean less chance of missing the meetup due to family weirdness this time.


Posted by: Not Prince Hamlet | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 4:02 PM
horizontal rule
27

I'm not an accommodations connoisseur, but I'll second the Ace Hotel recommendation for Portland. It's centrally located (~30 seconds to the main Powell's, and on the streetcar line), and there's a Stumptown Coffee in the building where you can get a single cup brewed from your choice of fair-trade beans, although I guess that may be a concept that has traveled. The downside is that Stark Street is no longer much of a gay district, although you can probably think of something.

August is a great time to be here; the climate approximates Oakland's for a couple months. Some element of Forest Park (5,000 acres) will interest you; I'm partial to the actual rose garden, as opposed to the place where Allen's Folly break hearts. Outside of that, though, I think you're going to find it to be like a cut-rate version of the Bay -- though you being you, and Portland being Portland, you should probably visit one of the "gentleman's clubs" (nobody will be offended).


Posted by: Heinz Ampules | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 4:07 PM
horizontal rule
28

"gentleman's clubs"

I'm told the Acropolis has really good steak.


Posted by: Michael Vanderwheel, B.A. | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 4:15 PM
horizontal rule
29

20: That's a thought, in case I run out of time, but for years now (since my last trip to Seattle) I've been dreaming about Fran's figs stuffed with ganache, which I think they only have on-site. They are only days away! I can almost taste them.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 4:17 PM
horizontal rule
30

The Japanese Garden in Portland is the best I've ever seen, and there are more good options for locally brewed beer than in most cities (Rogue Brewery and Lucky Lab are great).


Posted by: F | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 4:17 PM
horizontal rule
31

Funny you should ask, a friend and I are in the middle of writing a Portland travel guide. The Ace is good if you want to be downtown, but there are a few others I could recommend; email me if you want more info.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 4:25 PM
horizontal rule
32

The Japanese Garden in Portland is the best I've ever seen

But did the original owners get interned during WWII?


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 4:26 PM
horizontal rule
33

Reed College girls are promiscuous and have a fascination with exotic middle eastern types. Wear the gold chain.

People recommend the high desert museum in Bend, which is a day trip. There's a Rodin museum out in the boonies which is a must-see if you're big on Rodin.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 4:26 PM
horizontal rule
34

Is this hope, then ?


Posted by: Willy Voet | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 4:27 PM
horizontal rule
35

People recommend the high desert museum in Bend

I'm one of them.


Posted by: I don't pay | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 4:28 PM
horizontal rule
36

I'm another, but it's kind of a long drive from here.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 4:31 PM
horizontal rule
37

And like they said, more strippers per capita than Las Vegas. Stripping is a constitutional right.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 4:33 PM
horizontal rule
38

I've been dreaming about Fran's figs stuffed with ganache, which I think they only have on-site. They are only days away! I can almost taste them.

Damn you!


Posted by: Not Prince Hamlet | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 4:37 PM
horizontal rule
39

more strippers per capita than Las Vegas

Everyone in Portland is either a barista or a Suicide Girl. Even the loggers.


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 4:44 PM
horizontal rule
40

Everyone learns the story of the heroic pioneers on the Oregon trail, but few realize tha full scope of their accomplishment. With unimaginable foresight, they put language in the state constitution which ultimately would guarantee the right to strip. Like the early abolitionists, they knew that the battle would not be won in a day, but worked resolutely for a goal the achievement of which they would not live to see. But today we -- their great-granddaughters and great-grandsons -- thank them.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 4:55 PM
horizontal rule
41

"Like the Oregon Trail itself, the path to freedom to strip would be a long one." Forgot that part.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 4:57 PM
horizontal rule
42

"Like the Oregon Trail itself, the path to freedom to strip would be a long one."

Candy has died of dysentary. Sinnamon has broken a leg.


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 5:01 PM
horizontal rule
43

I'm a third on the high desert museum, although it is indeed a long drive. But a really beautiful one, if you're into mountain road trips.

If you happened into Bend accidentally though, the Victorian Cafe is a great place for lunch.


Posted by: Klug | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 5:01 PM
horizontal rule
44

All you learn on the Oregon Trail is that if you caulk the boat, you sink and someone dies. Pay the Indian guide.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 5:01 PM
horizontal rule
45

How many of y'all are in Portland, Oregon? What about Vancouver, BC?

Well, I'm forced to live in Vancouver BC, hell-hole that it is. But I never stay in the hotels. The earlier thread covered most of them that I know of.

A few other things to do that weren't covered in the earlier thread is taking a tour of one or more of the huge Buddhist Temples in town, cycling the West Dike Trail to the old Japanese fishing village of Steveston, eating as much dim sum as you can pack in, or hiking some of the excellent trails in the North Vancouver mountains overlooking Vancouver. There's also a large Iranian community in North Vancouver if you would like some restaurant ghormeh sabzi.


Posted by: double-plus-ungood | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 5:05 PM
horizontal rule
46

Vancouver BC has one of the best Chinatowns in the world.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 5:07 PM
horizontal rule
47

Vancouver BC has one of the best Chinatowns in the world.

Oh, nearly forgot, there are several ginormous Asian malls that are fun to go to, as well as the Chinese night markets in Richmond and Chinatown (although I heard that the Richmond one isn't open this year).


Posted by: double-plus-ungood | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 5:12 PM
horizontal rule
48

Vancouver BC has one of the best Chinatowns in the world.

According to Jennifer 8. Lee, the world's greatest Chinese restaurant outside of China itself is in Richmond, very near Vancouver.


Posted by: Matt F | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 5:16 PM
horizontal rule
49

And 8 wouldn't lie to us.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 5:21 PM
horizontal rule
50

Thanks for the info, all, and I forgot to ask: has anyone done the drive from Portland to Vancouver? How long does it really take, and should I just fly? (I've been to Seattle before, not much desire to linger there.)


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 5:21 PM
horizontal rule
51

I've biked from Portland to Vancouver a few times. That takes the better part of two days. The drive is around 5-6.5 hours, depending on traffic and the border crossing.


Posted by: Ari | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 5:23 PM
horizontal rule
52

50: Five hours, give or take, depending on how long the border crossing takes. In your case, I'd allow some time for extraordinary rendition.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 5:23 PM
horizontal rule
53

Planes are less likely to be held up at the border, I think.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 5:24 PM
horizontal rule
54

It all depends on the border. I made it in about 6 hours once. No traffic and no border wait, and it can take as little as 5 hours. Some traffic and a 1.5 hour border wait (which I've had), and you're up to 7-8 hours.


Posted by: F | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 5:24 PM
horizontal rule
55

I've always wanted to go to Egypt.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 5:24 PM
horizontal rule
56

In your case, I'd allow some time for extraordinary rendition.

Only on the way back.


Posted by: double-plus-ungood | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 5:25 PM
horizontal rule
57

I've always wanted to go to Egypt.

Try Damascus.


Posted by: double-plus-ungood | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 5:25 PM
horizontal rule
58

Vong's Kitchen, a hole in the wall in Vancouver, is also one of North America's best Chinese restaurants. There's no menu; they just serve whatever they can make with the ingredients they get fresh on the day you're there. Yum. Also, Tojo's is reputed to be some of the best sushi in the world. And it has a world-class view of downtown and the mountains to the north. Very pricey but totally worth it.


Posted by: Ari | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 5:25 PM
horizontal rule
59

I think Vong's closed down a couple of years ago.


Posted by: double-plus-ungood | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 5:28 PM
horizontal rule
60

I imagine that the Egyptian interrogators work the "denial is not a river in Egypt" line really hard. Though that's only part of the torture.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 5:30 PM
horizontal rule
61

DENIAL ISN'T JUST WHAT YOU'RE DROWNING IN, TERRORIST!


Posted by: OPINIONATED EGYPTIAN INTERROGATOR | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 5:37 PM
horizontal rule
62

59: That sucks.


Posted by: Ari | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 5:41 PM
horizontal rule
63

DENALI IS NOT A MOUNTAIN IN ALASKA!


Posted by: OPINIONATED WILLIAM McKINLEY | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 5:43 PM
horizontal rule
64

Neither is it another name for McKinley.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 5:47 PM
horizontal rule
65

I want to point out the mistake in 63, but keep thinking that maybe it was intentional, since President McKinley would most likely want the mountain in question to be referred to as Mt. McKinley.

DAKEOOOOO


Posted by: peter | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 5:51 PM
horizontal rule
66

Ogged you must try the pot while you're there.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 5:53 PM
horizontal rule
67

If you're there in July, you could participate in Cannabis Day festivities.


Posted by: PGD | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 5:56 PM
horizontal rule
68

I'll be out that way too -- exact dates unknown. Noodling around on the various travel sites, it looks like we save buckets of cash flying to Seattle instead Vancouver (or Victoria, which is even more convenient).


Posted by: NĂ¡pi | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 5:59 PM
horizontal rule
69

the hot pot? Sify, that place closed.


Posted by: peter | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 6:00 PM
horizontal rule
70

66: You're so right. How could I forget? (Something to do with short-term memory? Huh.)

Also, it may have been covered in the other thread, but Vancouver has an awesome public pool. Speaking of which, I may be able to get you into a pool here, if you want to maintain your workout schedule.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 6:04 PM
horizontal rule
71

70: you realize, Jesus, that ogged is putting this whole trip together to get free wine out of you. And the man hardly drinks! Craven.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 6:07 PM
horizontal rule
72

And the man hardly drinks!

That's the only reason I'm willing to help. The rest of you winos can fuck off.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 6:08 PM
horizontal rule
73

I may be able to get you into a pool here, if you want to maintain your workout schedule

Ha, thanks. I've been looking up pools first, then trying to decide which hotels are near the good ones. Vancouver has two I want to check out, including one that's 137 meters long.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 6:29 PM
horizontal rule
74

Don't forget the squid.


Posted by: Michael H Schneider | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 6:31 PM
horizontal rule
75

(I've been to Seattle before, not much desire to linger there.)

What, are you on crack?

JMS, the buses in Seattle are excellent. You can take the advice already proffered, or you can take the #7 or 9 from downtown, get off mid-block on Broadway, pop into Bailey-Coy books, buy something, take it down the street to Dilettante, and have something chocolate there while you read. Then you either hop back on the University bus, get off at the University, walk across the pretty campus and down the hill to U Village *or* walk down to Bdway and John, hop the 43, transfer to the 68, and there you go. Either of those would make for a very nice afternoon.

Of course, if you take the 7 or the 9, you'll cross the U. Bridge, which gives you an opportunity to stop at the little French bakery on the south side of the bridge and have a pate sandwich, a latte, and a pastry for like $7.

Sigh.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 6:36 PM
horizontal rule
76

Seattle is super boring.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 6:37 PM
horizontal rule
77

Tweety, even I can see through that pathetic troll attempt.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 6:38 PM
horizontal rule
78

Just sharing my experience. I spent a week there and couldn't wait to get home, which almost never happens to me when travelling.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 6:40 PM
horizontal rule
79

I took a trip with some friends to the Pacific Northwest one spring in college and we really liked Vancouver and Victoria. Seattle paled in comparison - and we were there for about the same amount of time as in the other cities, which wasn't very long - and then the day we left we found out the car had been broken into. Seemed like a city that's much better to live in than to visit.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 6:43 PM
horizontal rule
80

79

Actually, as a Seattle resident, I totally agree that Seattle is a better city to live in than to visit. And that to visitors, it can seem kind of boring. I feel the same way about Portland, too, though. The cool parts of both of these cities are the atmosphere, comfort, and having city amenities while still having easy accessibility to nature.

Vancouver, on the other hand, has all these things, but is much more exciting to visit.


Posted by: F | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 7:00 PM
horizontal rule
81

79

Actually, as a Seattle resident, I totally agree that Seattle is a better city to live in than to visit. And that to visitors, it can seem kind of boring. I feel the same way about Portland, too, though. The cool parts of both of these cities are the atmosphere, comfort, and having city amenities while still having easy accessibility to nature.

Vancouver, on the other hand, has all these things, but is much more exciting to visit.


Posted by: F | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 7:00 PM
horizontal rule
82

Oops.

I kind of feel the same way about San Diego, too, especially compared to San Francisco and LA.


Posted by: F | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 7:01 PM
horizontal rule
83

Use Seattle as a base to visit the amazing national parks that practically ring the place. Go to the city for great food between hikes, on your way from one park to another.


Posted by: PGD | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 7:01 PM
horizontal rule
84

Jesus Christ, I hope none of you suckers are actually getting worked up over ogged's sort-of-proposed visit. You know he's going to have the flu or cancer or something when the actual date rolls around.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 7:05 PM
horizontal rule
85

the flu or cancer or something

I'm betting on schistosomiasis.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 7:10 PM
horizontal rule
86

Or myxomatosis.


Posted by: F | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 7:13 PM
horizontal rule
87

No, no, that was "Ogged fucks like a rabbit."


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 7:21 PM
horizontal rule
88

Vancouver has miles and miles of beach. I was at UBC near the Anthro museum. You could walk ten minutes down to the water and there might not be anyone visible a a few hundred years either way. Too cold to swim, but you could have those romantic walks on the beach in your singles ad.

Probably in Vancouver romantic walks on the beach are devalued, the local equivalent of a McDonalds date.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 7:23 PM
horizontal rule
89

Does this ring a bell?

At first, normally the disease is visible by lumps (myxomata) and puffiness around the head and genitals.


Posted by: F | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 7:24 PM
horizontal rule
90

F is right. The point of Portland is the scale of economy: since everything is relatively cheap, people can live in a much more marginal fashion than other West Coast cities, and since it lacks big economic and cultural capital and what is available is pretty "open" those marginal people can contribute in a more meaningful fashion to the arts, politics, and the republic of letters than similar people elsewhere. On an architectural and commercial level urban planning has made things compact, and the lack of sales tax makes funky restaurants and businesses feasible, so there are lots of cool street scenes. But gentrification has made it less interesting and accessible, and even at its best it's primarily a place to be engrossed in your idiosyncratic projects: not much is going to wow the visitor. (There are a ton of cool outdoor activities within a short drive, though.)


Posted by: Heinz Ampules | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 7:44 PM
horizontal rule
91

Jesus Christ, I hope none of you suckers are actually getting worked up over ogged's sort-of-proposed visit.

Ogged has mentioned the idea before and, of the items on that list, the Vancouver trip seems worth encouraging.


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 8:05 PM
horizontal rule
92

As Chuck Palahniuk put it:

"Katherine's theory is that everyone looking to make a new life migrates west, across America to the Pacific Ocean. Once there, the cheapest city where they can live is Portland. This gives us the most cracked of the crackpots. The misfits among misfits."


Posted by: F | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 8:41 PM
horizontal rule
93

Well, I'm not sure I would choose Chuck Palahniuk as the area's literary ambassador to the world -- but that's basically him, he worked putting together Freightliner trucks while writing Fight Club. But I was primarily thinking of people you have immediate experience of, Emerson and Jesus McQueen (if he's who I think he is, I used to work with him on a magazine and have fond memories). For people who haven't been through umpteen years of postsecondary schooling they're intellectually tough as shit, and performing public services to boot. I live in the suburbs, and my deal's a little different, but I have to confess that strippers making witty references to Nietzsche and suchlike is a sort of beau ideal for me.


Posted by: Jeff Rubard | Link to this comment | 05- 8-08 8:55 PM
horizontal rule
94

Katherine's theory is that everyone looking to make a new life migrates west, across America to the Pacific Ocean.

Portland is a jumping-off point for China, Taiwan, Japan, Korea, Alaska, Hawaii, the Pacific Islands, etc. (And also for trendier places like Bali, Nepal, etc., but probably the Bay Area wins there.)

I think of Portland as a Triple A city that can sometimes compete with the not-so-good major-league cities. People have been trying to make it big-league since about 1975, but the town is just too small for that (and people say the richest locals are stingy). But Portland does send people to the majors, and it's big-league in a bunch of the minor things, like brewing and luthery and (?maybe?) glass-blowing.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 05- 9-08 5:32 AM
horizontal rule
95

70: you realize, Jesus, that ogged is putting this whole trip together to get free wine out of you. And the man hardly drinks! Craven.

Jesus, I'm sure ogged would be more than happy to courier a bottle of douglas fir eau de vie to me, if you give him one for that purpose. Something to think on.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 05- 9-08 1:36 PM
horizontal rule
96

Vancouver has miles and miles of beach. I was at UBC near the Anthro museum. You could walk ten minutes down to the water and there might not be anyone visible a a few hundred years either way.

Well, if you take that particular walk in August, John or Ogged, be prepared to strip down to the buff. That's Wreck Beach, Vancouver's nude beach. A lovely spot.


Posted by: double-plus-ungood | Link to this comment | 05- 9-08 3:21 PM
horizontal rule
97

If you like trendy, you might like the Jupiter Hotel, attached to the Doug Fir, which is both a club and a very good restaurant. Definitely go to Powell's books downtown: FOUR FLOORS OF BOOKS. Mt. Tabor is well worth walking, and has a view of the entire city: go at dusk. Have breakfast at Gravy in North Portland (heretofore known as NoPo). Visit a Stumptown coffeeshop (the one on Belmont street or downtown). Visit the Sunday Farmer's Market in the park blocks downtown. Try out the Yogashala in NoPo. Visit Alberta and Mississippi Street. Get a cheap acupuncture treatment at NCNM's Pettygrove clinic in NW, and let the students experiment on you.


Posted by: Ann | Link to this comment | 05- 9-08 11:34 PM
horizontal rule
98

Oh, please come! I work in the Portland Building downtown and would love to go to any meetup.


Posted by: Anna in PDX was Cairo | Link to this comment | 05-10-08 8:35 PM
horizontal rule
99

The Stumptown coffee shop to go to is, of course, The Bipartisan Cafe, 79th and Stark SE. Out of the way, but a must-see. Run by my brother.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 05-10-08 8:39 PM
horizontal rule
100

You could be waiting a long time for a table at Gravy on a Sunday.


Posted by: Michael Vanderwheel, B.A. | Link to this comment | 05-10-08 8:43 PM
horizontal rule
101

That's funny, I don't remember signing that last comment with my real name. I'm not the only person that uses that pseudonym, though, so don't get it twisted.


Posted by: Jeff Rubard | Link to this comment | 05-17-08 1:09 PM
horizontal rule