Re: The Facade

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You just know that she had the soundperson's head on a platter when she found out that had been broadcast.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 1:58 PM
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It's unclear to me why O'Reilly is even mad.


Posted by: Zippy the Comment Frog | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 2:02 PM
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Chris Berman does O'Reilly better than O'Reilly.


Posted by: Moby Ape | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 2:03 PM
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Waaaah. Monkey no fly. Boy lie. Waaaah.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 2:06 PM
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It's unclear to me why O'Reilly is even mad.

It was one of those days when the falafel seemed impossibly out of reach.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 2:07 PM
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How long till O'Reilly kills someone? If he already hasn't...

Any bets?


Posted by: Gozer | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 2:08 PM
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It's unclear to me why O'Reilly is even mad.

He doesn't need a reason to be angry. He's just constantly searching for new targets upon which to focus his rageball energy.


Posted by: Mary Catherine | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 2:13 PM
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Apparently his teleprompter wasn't prompting him.

I think that anger management is overrated, though. I reallt should have been a winger.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 2:18 PM
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Cynics. O'Reilly is angry because America is going to hell and he cares.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 2:18 PM
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3: No way. He actually apologizes.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 2:19 PM
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Wrath is a sin, and not one of the cool ones either.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 2:19 PM
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It's cool when you call it 'wrath'.


Posted by: Toadmonster | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 2:23 PM
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Aw geez, You are making me do something I really dislike but I gotta do it.

OK. I dislike O'Reilly more than most but in this specific case I have to cut him some slack.

I've had a little experience with this kind of thing and when one is under the gun like that (especially as a career instead of a hobby) then feelings do run high. It is probably an adrenaline thing and he probably apologized later. If he kept on or didn't apologize then he is a prick.

It is kind of like when a boxer gets very intense during a fight but does not really have animosity towards his opponent. It is just in the moment.


Posted by: Tripp | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 2:27 PM
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12: It's got an old-school heavy metal ring to it, no?


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 2:29 PM
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10 is right. I actually found the video in 3 funnier in a laughing-with way, unlike O'Reilly (although I didn't think the O'Reilly was so bad. I think it's mostly Berman's exasperated incredulity - that's a pretty legit emotion when dealing with others.

Probably also better because Berman is plainly not wishing he could hit somebody. He just wants to get on with it.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 2:30 PM
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he probably apologized later.

He probably baked cupcakes for everyone.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 2:31 PM
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The freakout reaches its apex right before O'Reilly nails the outro with Peabody-worthy poise. He was just psyching himself up! It's anger that's propelled him to where he is today.

If the price for all that broadcasting excellence is a few bludgeoned vagrants, well, America's still getting a heck of a deal.


Posted by: Tom | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 2:31 PM
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8: From what I can tell they were trying to tape the close of the show but had to get it done in like 30 seconds and were having trouble getting the teleprompter to work.

Why they would want to tape something for use in 30 seconds with no backup plan is beyond me but it seems that is what they wanted to do.

When time ran out and the taping failed O'Reilly did it "live" instead.


Posted by: Tripp | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 2:32 PM
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13: That was how I felt watching it, too. But then I realized: This is Bill O'Reilly. What possible reason is there to be fair to him ?

Also: Did you know McCain is obviously too old to be president ?


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 2:32 PM
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Everybody gets mad sometimes, Tripp, but how you get mad is revealing. O'Reilly is not a likable guy. Berman, still lovable!


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 2:33 PM
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McCain is older than Spam. The canned meat product.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 2:34 PM
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McCain is older than Spam. The canned meat product.

I wouldn't eat either.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 2:38 PM
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20: One of my flaws is being too quick to put myself in the other guy's shoes. I admit it. Sorry.

I also apologize too much.

O'Reilly's temper is regrettable, but his character is unforgivable.

The second clip kinda reminds me of the old joke of a person saying "Dammit. Oh crap I said Damn. Sh* I said crap. F* I said s*."

Feel free to create your own string of every increasing vulgarities and profanities. It is fun for the whole family.


Posted by: Tripp | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 2:40 PM
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I personally know someone who works on the Spam hotline. I also know a really gross thing that happened to Spam workers (but didn't affect the product).

Should I share?


Posted by: Tripp | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 2:41 PM
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Well, yeah, Tripp.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 2:43 PM
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I like the irony in the title of this post:

The Facade
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Bill O'Reilly seems like a blustery, abusive asshole, but when you see him when he's not being broadcast, he's really ...


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 2:44 PM
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ogged is right in 20. What's most revealing is the part where O'Reilly obstinately pretends not know what the producer means by "play us out", just as an excuse to yell at somebody some more.


Posted by: sam k | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 2:44 PM
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The joke's on all of you. That's exactly what the teleprompter was prompting him to say.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 2:48 PM
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Also: I haven't watched the video.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 2:49 PM
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The silent temper tantrum at the end of the O'Reilly clip is the best part.


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 2:52 PM
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How long till O'Reilly kills someone? If he already hasn't...

Any bets?

I doubt anyone will take the other side of that action.

http://dir.salon.com/story/books/review/2004/02/17/o_reilly/


Posted by: Gabriel | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 2:54 PM
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Oh wad some power the giftie gie us To see oursel's as others see us! It wad frae monie a blunder free us, And foolish notion.

Robert Burns is so deprecated.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 2:56 PM
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The silent temper tantrum at the end of the O'Reilly clip is the best part.

And how!


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 2:58 PM
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Does anyone else remember the song "Sue Simmons hair" to the tune of Bette Davis Eyes?


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 3:05 PM
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Wow, a google of "Sue Simmons hair" gets 1 hit. Presumably 2 now.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 3:06 PM
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34: no, I do remember 'Terri Schiavo Eyes", though. What a classic.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 3:11 PM
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Sifu Tweety,

I thought you would never ask.

As background I eat meat and enjoy it and I'm responsible enough to see what happens so that I can have meat but this is yucky even to me.

There was a "mystery illness" here that affected some slaughterhouse workers. It affected their nervous system, similar to (but NOT) MS or Parkinson's.

The Mayo Clinic figured it out. To improve productivity the slaughterhouse started using highly compressed air to blow the pig's brains from their skull. This created an aerosol that the workers inhaled.

Even though the pigs had no disease the worker's immune system treated the inhaled brains as a threat. Because hog brains are similar to ours the antibodies created in the worker's bodies to attack the inhaled pig brains also attacked the workers own nervous system.

Yuck. Don't go snorting no raw pig brains, y'hear?


Posted by: Tripp | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 3:23 PM
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There was a big article in the Times about the pig brain mist. Disturbing.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 3:29 PM
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37: Please don't knock my hobbies. At least until we know each other a bit better.


Posted by: Ari | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 3:35 PM
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Bill O'Reilly seems like a blustery, abusive asshole, but when you see him when he's not being broadcast, he's really ...

...dangerously unstable?


Posted by: strasmangelo jones | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 3:39 PM
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Re: 37. In a further edition of KR's assignment desk, I think someone should write a modern-day version of Upton Sinclair's The Jungle, substituting hispanic or southeast Asian immigrants for the Romanians and putting the meatpacking facility in rural Iowa or North Carolina instead of Chicago. The book would practically write itself: every abuse and outrage that Sinclair bore witness to can be found in some slightly attenuated form in the contemporary U.S.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 3:43 PM
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41: I don't recommend the film of Fast Food Nation, because it was didactic and boring, but Linklater did this.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 3:45 PM
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Tarbell's oil company book would probably need a bit of adaptation, though the basic robber-baron concept could be preserved.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 3:46 PM
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Upton Sinclair's The Jungle, substituting hispanic or southeast Asian immigrants for the Romanians

Lithuanians

Also, the only effect of that book on public opinion was the result of people learning about the unsanitary conditions in the factories and the fraudulent mislabeling of food. And those problems are less severe even now than they were back then.


Posted by: Fatrman | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 4:17 PM
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Everybody gets mad sometimes, Tripp, but how you get mad is revealing.

Which is worse, shouting, or grudge-holding?


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 4:42 PM
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Shouting.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 5:27 PM
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Also, the only effect of that book on public opinion was the result of people learning about the unsanitary conditions in the factories and the fraudulent mislabeling of food.

Yeah, but this new version could add in the extreme maimings and deaths of janitors who get pulled into and torn up by machines that were left on. Surely the public will demand thorough cleanings with bleach after each such incident.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 5:30 PM
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Passive-aggressive. (Ex recto theory: people fall into the shouting or passive-aggressive category, and people should marry people in the same category.)


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 5:30 PM
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If you find a finger in your hamburger, remember: illegal aliens have not been trained to wash their hands after going to the toilet. Cook it very thoroughlu.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 5:35 PM
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48 works for me.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 5:43 PM
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shouting, or grudge-holding?

Who says you have to choose?


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 5:46 PM
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Two passive-aggressives together is the worst.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 5:46 PM
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But at least neither of them is burdening some poor innocent shouter.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 5:47 PM
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Exactly.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 5:48 PM
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Plus, no non-shouty person should have to put up with a shouter.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 5:49 PM
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51: Ogged should marry Bill O'Reilly.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 5:49 PM
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I'm rarely shouty. The last person I shouted at was some yuppie who honked at my mother.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 5:51 PM
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Plus, no non-shouty person should have to put up with a shouter.

Amen.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 5:52 PM
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I agree that similar fighting styles are really important. I'm not sure that shouty/passive aggressive covers the whole field, though.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 5:52 PM
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57: Crap. Now I can't hate you any more.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 5:52 PM
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Two PAs can stay angry for 40 years and die that way.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 5:53 PM
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61: Which is fine as long as they don't have children.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 5:54 PM
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Two PAs can stay angry for 40 years and die that way.

...while two shoutys will end it earlier in murder-suicide. Choices, choices.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 5:54 PM
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I guess similar fighting styles are good, but people really shouldn't be fighting all that often, should they? I figure that fighting a lot = bad relationship. And is p/a a kind of fighting, or a control strategy? It's not-fighting, isn't it?


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 5:58 PM
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64 is basically right. Similar fighting styles probably matter less than being able to fight fairly (i.e., not bring up old or unrelated shit, stay on topic, etc). And yes, passive-aggression is a control strategy.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 6:01 PM
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64: Fair point. Not all of us have your natural equanimity, Shi'a.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 6:02 PM
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Similar fighting styles probably matter less than being able to fight fairly

Eh. I think "similar fighting styles" is likely to predict whether the fights are fair. Shouty types might think some things are in bounds that others don't, etc. Or at least that's the real benefit I see in similar fighting styles.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 6:04 PM
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Passive-aggressiveness is aggression with plausible deniability. It's mostly manipulation so that when the other person loses her temper you can play wounded titmouse because you weren't doing anything mean, just whining.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 6:06 PM
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Im falling in love with Cala.

67 is wrong, btw.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 6:08 PM
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What 67 said. I tend towards very shouty; people who know me will learn that when I am shouting, I am angry, but I am not shouting because I have reached any kind of breaking point or think the relationship is over and will probably cool off very quickly.

Someone who thought shouting meant I was going to divorce them would not be happy married to me.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 6:09 PM
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67 is right.

70 makes me wonder how deaf shivbunny is, and why.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 6:19 PM
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and why

Dynamite, man.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 6:23 PM
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72: well, that's one possibility.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 6:25 PM
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Im falling in love with Cala.

Oh, I've been head over heels for some time now. Cala, you can shout at me any time you like.


Posted by: Mary Catherine | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 6:26 PM
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Passive-aggressive is preferable to physically aggressive, IME.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 6:31 PM
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Jesus mother-fucking Christ, is "wen" an acceptable text-message shorthand for "Wednesday"? Or wouldn't you reckon that it looks way the fuck too much like a typo for "when" so as to make a schedule reclarification message not exactly helpful, you fucker?

I haven't read the thread.
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Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 6:31 PM
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71: Why he's deaf? Mostly because not only do I have a short, shouty temper, I have a short, shouty temper that is set off by passive aggression, and he can be very passive-aggressive.

Seriously, though, we're both working on it, and we don't argue all that often. My dad was a shouter and not only do I take after him in that department temperament-wise , as a result of growing up with a lot of shouting, I am mostly inured to it, so I'm not good at seeing how it can hurt other people.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 6:33 PM
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75 goes w/out saying.

Although. If you think about it, physical aggression is an unchallengable excuse to leave. Whereas passive aggression, you're going to hang around a lot longer and when you do finally get fed up, people are gonna rally around the wounded titmouse, which is infuriating.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 6:34 PM
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76: I always abbreviate it "Odin"


Posted by: minneapolitan | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 6:34 PM
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77: Mr. B.'s hard of hearing, too. Do you find that the hard-of-hearingness, itself, can be really infuriating? I feel bad about getting mad about it, though.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 6:35 PM
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Oh, I meant metaphorical deafness, not real deafness, like 'is he deaf cause his wife yells at him/probably given how much she yells.'


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 6:38 PM
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Cala, thankfully, makes it explicit.

Deaf people unite! Make opaque jokes on the internet!

80: you should feel bad.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 6:40 PM
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82.3: Id feel worse, except that the man refuses to see a fucking doctor about maybe getting a hearing aid. And he tends to get mad and yell about not being able to hear, which is annoying.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 6:41 PM
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bpl is hard of hearing, so when she's thinking something over, I shout some part of what I just said. For fun.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 6:41 PM
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i never shout, i just withdraw and watch tv with sound around 9, it's like radio sounds
can't stand if louder


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 6:44 PM
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I dated a woman for four years in college who was ~80% deaf, but could read lips like a motherfucker. Cool skill at parties.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 6:44 PM
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83: hearing aids are (a) bulky (b) expensive (c) more of a pain in the ass than people speaking clearly if they know your hearing's not great.

One of my exes (who had many other sterling faults) used to tell me things and, when I said "huh? I didn't hear you." would get all furious at me and refuse to repeat what she'd said. Boy did that get on my nerves.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 6:44 PM
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your ex is like me then
people always re-ask me things, i think if one's hearing is good one also speaks quiet maybe


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 6:47 PM
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I promise never to date you, Tweety.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 6:48 PM
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Good thinking, B!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 6:49 PM
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A friend's dad's method for getting people to repeat themselves and not get annoyed is to ask if they just said something comically unlikely. "You want some monkey shorts? Huh?" It works surprisingly well, even in the long term, for keeping everyone happy.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 6:49 PM
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I will never date you either, Tweety. I realize it's my flaw, not yours, but I hate being asked to repeat myself.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 6:50 PM
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I'm hard of hearing too. I make my girlfriends sit on my left side, where the good ear is. (Unless I don't want to hear them, then they can sit on my right). I'm pretty sure B and I already decided not to date, though.

I generally agree with 87, but I'm wondering when hearing aid time will come. It seems inevitable.


Posted by: PGD | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 6:53 PM
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It doesn't come up much with Blume; as long as I can see somebody's face or they aren't on my bad side I'm usually fine. Blume, unlike said previous girlfriend, quickly figured out which my bad side is and compensates.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 6:54 PM
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i like considerate people in 91 and 94


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 6:56 PM
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People with bad hearing are perhaps the only ones who really appreciate how many people fucking cannot ennunciate to save their goddamned lives. Oh, and if you want to talk to me, come in to where I am and talk TO me; don't shout through five interior walls and hope I'll understand you or walk over to your laxy ass.

Man, I am CRANKY.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 6:56 PM
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91: I do that.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 6:56 PM
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i like 97 too


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 6:57 PM
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I hate being asked to repeat myself.

Oh man, is this me. I'm an insufferable ass about it, too: whenever I do repeat myself, I do it in an extremely loud and annoyed tone, because the only reason someone might ever not hear me is because they're a moron.


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 6:58 PM
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91: hah, I do that too. "You thurt a fissy caul a monthly?"


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 6:58 PM
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It's one thing if the person has bad hearing. It's another if they don't.

My sister-in-law is very hard of hearing but can read lips well except when it comes to shivbunny, who mumbles.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 6:59 PM
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Oh, and if you want to talk to me, come in to where I am and talk TO me; don't shout through five interior walls and hope I'll understand you or walk over to your laxy ass.

F'real! Stupid ass weren't made laxy like my ear were, were it?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 6:59 PM
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i do not like 99
100!


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 6:59 PM
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I have a bad habit of saying shit while I'm walking away to go do something else. But I *hate* just standing there in order to mention some piddly-ass crap!


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 7:00 PM
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i mean not mrh, the behaviour


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 7:02 PM
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A passive-aggressive Canadian? That's almost impossible.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 7:05 PM
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is "wen" an acceptable text-message shorthand for "Wednesday"

Was it a conversation about sebaceous gland cysts? Maybe it wasn't shorthand at all.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 7:05 PM
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I kinda like being asked to repeat myself. It gives me a chance to reconsider what I said, polish up the grammar and diction, and thus show my interlocutor the true depths of my erudition and sagacity.

Also, when I am walking behind someone I know through a revolving door, I like to make up the final clause of a sentence that is a complete non sequitur, to amuse them and remind them to pay attention to me.


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104: so you want people to strain to hear you say things that aren't important enough for you to care about delaying a fraction of a second to say them?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 7:08 PM
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sebaceous gland cysts

Oh wow, is THAT what wens actually are? I never knew.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 7:08 PM
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I live to serve, redfoxtailshrub.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 7:09 PM
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109: Actually to be honest, I'd be perfectly okay if he ignored about half of what I said, since I'm usually talking to myself or nattering on about something stupid.

But yes, I realize that I am the asshole here.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 7:10 PM
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106: AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 7:12 PM
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I'm usually talking to myself or nattering on about something stupid

Which is why you fit in so well here.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 7:12 PM
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My sole prior encounter with the term, as far as I can remember, had been in a translated Japanese fairy tale.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 7:13 PM
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Kung fu fighting styles would make more interesting shorthand for relationship conflict styles. I'm generally Mantis Style and on the lookout for women who fight Northern Kicking Style.


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 7:14 PM
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Obviously you don't want a woman who fights Mantis Style.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 7:16 PM
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117: That's why you and I can never be, B.


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 7:17 PM
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DS cares not for his head, B. The biological imperative trumps all.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 7:18 PM
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My heart, it breaks.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 7:18 PM
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I do wing chun.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 7:19 PM
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Though apo does make a fair point.


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 7:19 PM
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I like jiu-jitsu style conflict resolution. Grab each other and roll around on the floor.


Posted by: PGD | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 7:19 PM
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Aha, there may be a meal in this for me yet!


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 7:19 PM
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sebaceous gland cysts

Really?! I've lived all my life thinking wens were just hives!


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 7:22 PM
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But we're all on-board with the idea that "wen" is not "Wednesday," right? Abbreviated, "Wednesday" is "Wed.," or "wed" at the shortest.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 7:25 PM
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Yes, Jackmormon, rage, RAGE!


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 7:26 PM
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A passive-aggressive Canadian? That's almost impossible.

A friend recently told me a joke that seems topical:

Q: How do you get 20 Canadians out of a swimming pool?
A: Ask them to get out of the swimming pool.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 7:32 PM
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Weds. "Wed" is deprecated. "Wen" is incomprehensible.


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 7:34 PM
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I'm getting over it, I swear. I probably needed the exercise, anyway.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 7:34 PM
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I kinda like being asked to repeat myself. It gives me a chance to say 'forget it' and disengage. Communication is enough of an effort already, for crying out loud. And why can't I make my wife understand that if I'm at the kitchen sink and the water is running, which happens all the time since I seem to be cleaning the kitchen every waking minute, I can't hear a word she's saying?

Christ, I'm cranky too. I wish you were here, JM. We could go out to a bar and totally start a big fucking fight.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 7:34 PM
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My dad was a shouter and not only do I take after him in that department temperament-wise , as a result of growing up with a lot of shouting, I am mostly inured to it, so I'm not good at seeing how it can hurt other people.

This is so, so me.

I've resigned myself to the fact that other people get hurt by shouting because they're wusses.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 7:39 PM
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Passive-aggressive is preferable to physically aggressive, IME.

To a point I would prefer physical aggression to passive aggression. I don't want to get hit with a cast iron frying pan, but I would rather get punched then deal with someone holding a grudge.


Posted by: CJB | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 7:40 PM
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Jesus hates the disabled.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 7:41 PM
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since I seem to be cleaning the kitchen every waking minute,

Cleaning the kitchen sucks. Damn kids and their messes.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 7:43 PM
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134: But I call them the 'differently-abled', so it's okay. Also, this game is pissing me off.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 7:46 PM
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How ironic. I had just laid down for a nap but then I was like, fuck, I cant nap now, I have to go clean the motherfucking kitchen.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 7:50 PM
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I respond really, really poorly to shouting, in that it's a dead certainty the shouter ain't getting their way any time soon if I have anything to do about it.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 7:52 PM
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Jesus is a quitter.


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 7:53 PM
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I respond to shouting by first trying to run away, then being very careful and reasonable, then being mulish, and finally by crying hysterically.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 7:56 PM
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Does anyone watch and wait for a shouter to finish then say 'What?'? I've found it pretty effective.


Posted by: asl | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 7:56 PM
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138: As with eye-rolling, there needs to be a pretty good reason for shouting. Unnecessary drama is a drag.


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 7:59 PM
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138: This is why I was ill-suited for working retail.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 8:01 PM
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JM, I am sure you know the joke about the old married couple, but since annoying is the rule of the day I will relate it anyway.

Doc, I am worried about the old lady. I think she is going deaf.

Well, Jim, when her back is turned, ask her a question. If she doesn't respond, move closer and try again. See how close you have to get before she responds and let me know.

Madge is in the kitchen at the sink as Jim walks in. With her back to him, he puts the doctor's plan to work.

What's for dinner, honey? No response.

Three steps closer, he tries again. Still no response.

Practically behind her, he tries again.

Madge turns to her husband, and rather peevishly tells him "for the third time, CHICKEN!"


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 8:02 PM
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I had a couple of exes who exploited my self-loathing in order to convince me I was repressed and convert me to the shouting lifestyle. The result was that I did enough shouting to see through it, and go back to maintaining the upper hand with implacable silence. Don't bother with me, shouters. I will crush you.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 8:06 PM
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145: Shadow Quan Style! Very powerful.


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 8:10 PM
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My mother is 100 percent Canadian, and not a passive-aggressive bone in her body. A woman of hasty temper, and of mercurial temperament. A shouter, in other words. But she's not stingy with affection, either.

I would far sooner be yelled at than left to suffer the silent treatment. Or worse yet, be subject/subjected to the "what's your problem? unlike you [this bit never explicit, of course, but always strongly implied] I haven't raised my voice, because unlike you I'm being perfectly reasonable" treatment.


Posted by: Mary Catherine | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 8:12 PM
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"what's your problem? unlike you [this bit never explicit, of course, but always strongly implied] I haven't raised my voice, because unlike you I'm being perfectly reasonable"

That is guaranteed to make me shout obscenties.

I actually tend not to shout, though I will raise my voice. And I'm not good at letting arguments go. I seldom lose my temper and get really angry, though, unless someone pulls that kind of crap (or starts shouting at me first). Also, I will not be lectured to.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 8:15 PM
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146: It helps to understand the history of karate.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 8:15 PM
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147: So, the kind of shouter who thinks everyone else would be shouting if they were being honest. We should get you and Jesus together.


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 8:16 PM
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149: Nice.


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 8:17 PM
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Wow, I'm sort of sorry I missed this thread; it would have been a better outlet this day.

Shouting, loud voices, no. No.

On the other hand, I can't stand mumblers. Yes, I will ask you to repeat yourself if it seems important, and if you do it in an aggrieved tone, I'll tell you flatly that you mumble, regularly, in fact, in case you didn't realize that. Drives me crazy.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 8:20 PM
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I, too am kind of deaf, which annoys me. I fight differently depending on who I'm fighting with; if someone's shouting at me, I'll shout back, otherwise it's all iciness.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 8:48 PM
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So, the kind of shouter who thinks everyone else would be shouting if they were being honest.

Well, of course. We'd all be shouting, at the very least, and possibly committing outright acts of violence against each other's persons, were it not for the (noble and laudatory, of course) pressures toward civilité and civilisation.

I'm 99.9 percent behind rational civil discourse, of course. But there's a certain kind of prissiness ("Oh, I would never raise my voice toward my own child. We talk things over, and 'process' things...and I like to think I'm not only my child's best advocate but also his own best friend") that really raises my hackles. Or else just makes me laugh, depending upon what kind of mood I'm in.

I grew up in a household where a more or less constant low-level scolding was more or less the norm. Of course your mum is going to yell at you if you come home and track mud all over her freshly-washed floor. Feel the fear and do it anyway! According to today's heightened standards of reasonableness and 'normal' psycho-social-sexual development, I guess I should either be a murderous sociopath, or else posting this blog comment from a near-permanent foetal position. Self-esteem and self-actualization? Grow up and move to Brooklyn, baby.


Posted by: Mary Catherine | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 8:50 PM
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I, too am kind of deaf, which annoys me.

WHAT? DID YOU SAY SOMETHING?

According to today's heightened standards of reasonableness and 'normal' psycho-social-sexual development, I guess I should be a murderous sociopath.

It's never too late!


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 8:59 PM
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It's never too late!

Good-night, Emerson, and are you jest coddin' me around, me bucko [buchail] mine, and bad cess t'ye if you're only jest a cairp away from the line.

= Canadian for 'are ye freakin' serious at all at all?!' You want I should take someone out? And I don't even own a gun.


Posted by: Mary Catherine | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 9:35 PM
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154: Feel the fear and do it anyway! Feel the fear and do it anyway!

Yeah, go ahead and use those wire hangers! You have every right.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 9:44 PM
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I had a great wen removed from my neck on Friday. It was really strange to see the word in the doctor's notes: "sebaceous cyst/wen". Fucking thing looked like Frankenstein's bolt. I am not sorry to see it gone.


Posted by: Nworb Werdna | Link to this comment | 05-13-08 11:22 PM
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78: Yes!


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 05-14-08 4:23 AM
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Sorry I missed this thread live. I have concluded that I just don't like fighting, period. I don't like shouting. I don't like passive-aggression. I don't like iciness. I don't like physical violence.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 05-14-08 4:35 AM
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96: Yes!!!


Posted by: OneFatEnglishman | Link to this comment | 05-14-08 4:41 AM
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But, what is to be the fate of the great wen of all? The monster, called, by the silly coxcombs of the press, "the metropolis of the empire?"


Posted by: William Cobbett | Link to this comment | 05-14-08 4:43 AM
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160: Might I suggest my own preferred policy for avoiding all those things?

Future generations of nworBs will presumably date things from The Removal of the Great Wen.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 05-14-08 5:38 AM
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A lot of folks have admitted some hearing problems here; I wonder if that's much more common among active online communities in general, because of a text-based interaction's suiting them better?

I'm not talking real deafness, just some hearing loss which has often unnoticed but real social impacts.


Posted by: I don't pay | Link to this comment | 05-14-08 5:44 AM
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163: John, I come around to that policy a little more each day...


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 05-14-08 5:55 AM
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Both my parents, my sister, and I had considerable hearing loss after age 50. I think that it's so common as to be almost normal. In our family I'm pretty sure it's hereditary. I haven't polled by other siblings but I'm pretty sure some of them have problems too.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 05-14-08 5:59 AM
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People who have been/are teenagers in the last 40 years, since the general deployment of Marshall 100w amps and beyond, tend to be more prone to hearing loss than their parents. But it was worth it.


Posted by: OneFatEnglishman | Link to this comment | 05-14-08 6:58 AM
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160: Ah, a Reasoner. The Art of Fighting Without Fighting. I'm willing to bet the other tribes like to imagine you as a passive-aggressive, despite the fact that you genuinely aren't. Which is annoying, but the good news is their fury and frustration gives you an advantage in battle. Not that you would battle, normally, but you know, if you had to.


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I'm just looking at the Marshall amp sitting next to this computer, and wondering who'd be crazy enough to turn them up loud enough at home to cause deafness* and then realized you meant at gigs.

* Mine is a 50watter -- but a genuine 1960s valve head made in the Marshall factory with vintage watts, which, as any fule kno, are louder than modern watts -- and you could probably induce brain damage and bleeding from major orifices before the thing even gets above about 3 on the volume control.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 05-14-08 8:16 AM
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168: Finally, someone who understands me!


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 05-14-08 8:17 AM
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169. My teeth hurt even thinking about it. But it's odd to remember that the Beatles, in the days when they played gigs, used 30 watt amps, even in big halls. No wonder they were drowned out by the screaming.


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re: 171

30watt valve amps can be ear-bleedingly loud. Big enough for clubs, anyway, when cranked. Although how loud they (subjectively) sound does seem to vary a lot. A friend of mine who runs a 'boutique' amp company makes a 5watt amp that some other friends have used as a gigging amp in reasonable sized pubs.

AC30s probably not big enough for Beatle-sized venues, though, yeah.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 05-14-08 8:28 AM
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I'm shouty at home and driving, passive-aggressive at work. Best of both worlds, baby, best of both worlds.


Posted by: Timothy Burke | Link to this comment | 05-14-08 9:10 AM
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BPhD,

Mr. B.'s hard of hearing, too. Do you find that the hard-of-hearingness, itself, can be really infuriating? I feel bad about getting mad about it, though.

Ms T's kinda deaf, too, probably at least partly from a burst eardrum during scuba with me, so I feel a little guilty about it. But rape and murder (on the crime shows she loves) blaring at level 30 makes one lose a certain amount of guilt. Plus she likes to talk with the TV blaring which really makes no sense to me because she has trouble hearing things over background noise.

Unfortunately there is really no help for it and I've discovered the blessings of foam earplugs, especially when trying to go to sleep in front of a blaring TV.


Posted by: Tripp | Link to this comment | 05-15-08 2:01 PM
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Yes, that sounds like Mr. B. Not so much with the crime shows, but Star Trek and/or loud music. Gah.


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