Re: That Was Mysterious

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Was the access point named "Free Public WiFi"? If so, it was probably this XP bug>. If not, no clue.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 7:07 PM
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That's really odd. It was 'Free Public WiFi', but I'm running Linux.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 7:47 PM
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Ah, awesome. I've wanted to know what the explanation for 1 was forever.


Posted by: destroyer | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 7:48 PM
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The bug was not on your computer, but on the Win XP computer of someone else on the train. That computer was falsely broadcasting the access point based on the SSID of a network it had previously encountered.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 7:57 PM
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Huh. I do feel all gullible: my instant reaction was "this is great!" rather than reasonable skepticism about how they (the city government?) could or would possibly be providing internet access on the A train.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 8:02 PM
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Don't feel bad, LB. You have faith in government; that's why you're a Democrat.


Posted by: Ari | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 8:09 PM
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A fine reason to hold onto my Windows ME operating system.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 8:10 PM
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Don't feel bad, LB. You have faith in government; that's why you're a Democrat unknowingly supporting three families on credit cards issued in your name.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 8:11 PM
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OT: I always figured that law profs, you know, the ones who will be interviewing me for jobs in like a year, don't read Unfogged's 100+ comment threads, but, uh, apparently they do. I shall be going "presidential" more often, and really hope that they never read my Mineshafty comment-jacks about being disowned. Crap.

My fault. Loose lips...

On the other hand, I got such good advice from you all. But still, I should have gone presidential.


Posted by: Belle Lettre | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 8:14 PM
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I thought you had.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 8:16 PM
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Well for like other things. But I didn't for the disownment thread. And hey, another thing to go "Crap!" about--apparently going presidential isn't like super secret, is it.

I am awful at keeping my own secrets, what can I say.


Posted by: Belle Lettre | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 8:17 PM
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Portland is about to lose its municipal Wifi network, apparently. But in better Portland news, The Decemberists are opening for Obama, the presidential candidate, at the waterfront on Sunday.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 8:19 PM
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Did your law prof bring it up in conversation? Awkward! (And, really, it should be awkward for him or her as well. Admitting to reading deep into Unfogged threads should be just s---okay, almost as---embarrassing as admitting to posting personal stuff on the internet.)


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 8:19 PM
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11: Actually, I was misremembering.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 8:23 PM
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Also, what 13 said. Not cool.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 8:24 PM
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I tell no professor at my school about my online activities. But I use my blog for networking as much as for fun, so I have a fair few blog-friendly law prof types. It was more "Hey, I love Unfogged!" when I mentioned the thing about Unfogged's music mix feature. Which made me wonder...how much do you really love Unfogged? Enough to read 600+ comment threads? Crap!

I mean, hell, Ari is pretty involved in the threads. Ari could very well be reading the personal musings of any number of his students or future candidates for jobs at UC Davis. That could be weird.


Posted by: Belle Lettre | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 8:24 PM
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But it could work the other way, too.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 8:30 PM
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I have the vague and probably unrealistic hope that anyone who could sustain interest in Unfogged comment threads long enough to read down to the embarrassing stuff wouldn't hold it against you.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 8:40 PM
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Anyone who holds something said on Unfogged against a potential job candidate is a creep. As for me, if I'm screwing around here as much as I have been lately, I have no business judging others for what they do here. Except for Jetpack; his behavior is totally beyond the pale. Also, I think that anyone who comments using a pseud is anonymous. Even if I know who that person actually is. I assume that others act according to those rules as well. If they don't, they're creeps.


Posted by: Ari | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 8:57 PM
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But I'm afraid I don't have a job to offer you, Belle. Which is my department's and university's loss.


Posted by: Ari | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 8:58 PM
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18 and 19 get it right, yes.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 9:09 PM
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You're running Linux on your laptop? I must have you.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 9:16 PM
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No, no. I have no technical credibility at all. But given that all I'm doing is websurfing and typing text documents, it's not as if there's any significant usability difference. And it's what the Eee comes with standard.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 9:20 PM
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When is the Eee review coming? I want one. An Eee. Not a review. Well, both really. But I won't buy the former until I've read the latter. So hurry.


Posted by: Ari | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 9:25 PM
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Please.


Posted by: Ari | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 9:26 PM
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Jeez, Ari. Demanding!


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 9:29 PM
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Aw, Ari.


Posted by: Belle Lettre | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 9:29 PM
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I said please.


Posted by: Ari | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 9:38 PM
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What Ari said. If I can live with the keyboard, I shall have a laptop for coffee shop writing.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 9:44 PM
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"I have the vague and probably unrealistic hope that anyone who could sustain interest in Unfogged comment threads long enough to read down to the embarrassing stuff wouldn't hold it against you."

This is certainly true in my case. And odds are good I'd be the only person on the interviewing side of the room for my school who even knows what Unfogged is. We interviewed a formerly prolific blogger a year or so ago, and I know none of my colleagues had any idea. We didn't hire the person, but it had nothing to do with blogging.


Posted by: Lawprof Guy | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 9:45 PM
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No, what Cala said.


Posted by: Ari | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 9:49 PM
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Speaking of what Cala said, why don't you have a blog, Cala?


Posted by: Ari | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 9:50 PM
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I think it would be highly likely that people who know about my blog (who are many, and include professional contacts, people I've dated, etc.) may search this site for my comments. I just did it as an experiment to see what stuff comes up first, and some of it's kinda juicy. I tend to think about it in terms of "Who could possibly care enough to search?" but if you find a few good hits, it might be worth continuing to do so.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 9:55 PM
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I'd say something like 'because of the time it would take', just for laughs.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 9:55 PM
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34: It takes no time at all. In fact, it adds time to your day, brightens your smile, and puts a bounce in your step. Seriously, why don't you blog? Or do you? Do you have a seekrit blog, Cala? Fine, you don't have to tell me. (Sniff.)


Posted by: Ari | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 9:57 PM
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33: Yeah, you're in trouble. Belle not so much. But you, you're totally screwed. And I do have a job for you. You just can't have it. Because of what you wrote on your blog.


Posted by: Ari | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 9:59 PM
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In fact, it adds time to your day, brightens your smile, and puts a bounce in your step

You are confusing Cala and her putative blog.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 9:59 PM
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36: My blog I'm not worried about.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 10:00 PM
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No, no sekrit blog.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 10:03 PM
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38: Do you really worry about the comments here? I wouldn't, were I you. At least not in terms of hiring committees. Ex boyfriends, I have no idea. But I've never seen you write anything here that would make a hiring committee think twice about offering you a job. I mean, committees make decisions for all kinds of crazy-ass reasons. Comments on a blog, though, particularly comments written by someone using a pseud, are not one of them. Which isn't to say that it couldn't happen. I just wouldn't worry about it.


Posted by: Ari | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 10:03 PM
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Having failed to get teo in grad school, Ari's turning towards other goals.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 10:04 PM
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39: Suuuuuure. Whatever. It's not like I care.


Posted by: Ari | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 10:04 PM
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41: Dude, weren't you busy frightening away all the Jews by speaking German on another thread? Let me work here.


Posted by: Ari | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 10:05 PM
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I can't even read what I posted in the other thread. But it was funny when I knew German in 2000.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 10:07 PM
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I was happy to discover I could still read enough German to read that.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 10:07 PM
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It's at a second semester level.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 10:08 PM
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40: I guess I'm a little paranoid about people I date, or people I'm semi-friends with, taking offense at the things I write here. I tend to speak as I would to people I'm not too concerned about offending here, and new or troubled relationships are a bit more sensitive.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 10:08 PM
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Must you steal my small triumphs, eb? Have you no heart?


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 10:11 PM
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I'm bored.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 10:12 PM
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I'm tired.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 10:13 PM
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I have a sore throat.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 10:14 PM
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Cramps!


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 10:15 PM
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I'm sorry.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 10:20 PM
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... and we're back with Unfogged's Friday Misery Poker...

And here's the flop. Ooh! Allergies. No help there, I'm afraid....


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 10:20 PM
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I lose at misery poker, actually, thanks to the wonders of Aleve.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 10:22 PM
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I was gonna say you win, because, ew, cramps.

I'm going to watch a movie, I guess.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 10:23 PM
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Sorry we're not entertaining enough, B. I could dance. Or do a bit of spoken-word poetry. Oops, sorry, wrong thread.


Posted by: Ari | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 10:27 PM
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Someone could write something in comments to a blog that would make me think twice about hiring them. Not something about their family, of course, or love life. Or cock jokes, or undergraduate poetry. Not even their support for Huckabee. Or Nader.

Tell me you don't come to work every day wanting to win the client's case, though, and just watch the interest wane away . . .


Posted by: Nápi | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 10:28 PM
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58: Yes, that's right. But I've never seen AWB write anything like that. Or really anyone else around these parts. And as for the idea that people don't spend their whole workday working, well, that's not really news to me. Everyone just procrastinates in different ways.


Posted by: Ari | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 10:31 PM
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"West Australian Opposition Leader Troy Buswell, who has admitted sniffing a female colleague's chair and snapping another's bra strap, has been accused of squeezing an MP's testicles. A day after an internet blogger admitted he had made up claims that Mr Buswell played soccer with a quokka, a rare wallaby, he was on the back foot after allegedly squirrel-gripping (grabbing the testicles of) Liberal MP Murray Cowper."


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 10:32 PM
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Many of us are very defensive here about how much we love our jobs, lest the apparent flow of comments might say otherwise (to ourselves, even).


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 10:32 PM
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The quokka story was a hoax? Well, that's a relief at least.


Posted by: Ari | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 10:37 PM
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I love my job so much...that I'm looking for a different one.

And I know that at least one other denizen of the empire of The Internet Auction Company Who Must Not Be Named reads this blog. But seeing as I'm a nobody, no biggie.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 10:41 PM
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A week ago, I fucked up my knee a little, and now it feels much worse.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 10:43 PM
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59 -- Well, yeah, I don't remember ever having read a disqualifying comment. From someone who'd ever apply.


Posted by: Nápi | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 10:45 PM
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Can I have a job?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 10:46 PM
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Have you kicked any quokkas lately? Are you a squirrel grabber? Answer carefully. What I'm looking for may surprise you.


Posted by: Ari | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 10:48 PM
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Actually, forget it, the position of Poet Laureate is already filled.


Posted by: Ari | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 10:49 PM
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65: I hope I haven't made any. Then again, I'd probably have a problem with any dept. that took this stuff too seriously


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 10:50 PM
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I used to worry a little when I'd see that someone from my firm was reading my blog. I'm so boring, though, that even people spying on me end up looking for better things to do.

I had to think about this a little while ago writing up my Wilner affidavit: how much has the prospect that all my communications are intercepted interfered with my life & work.


Posted by: Nápiw | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 10:51 PM
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I can't believe that if you guys want jobs, you're not already sending me resumes. Everyone else is.


Posted by: Nápi | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 10:53 PM
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(It's indiscretion day. Re 70, I'm a named plaintiff in a suit against the government over illegal interception of my communications.)


Posted by: Nápiw | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 10:55 PM
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71: What are the minimum qualifications?


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 10:57 PM
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I just rejoined the thread. Lawprof Guy simultaneously made me feel better and also totally paranoid. Ack!

I googled Belle Lettre, and that's fine, all the stuff on my blog I own. I only get personal when I talk about feminism, work/life balance, my shifting intellectual focus from critical race theory to social scientific approaches to employment discrimination and how I feel guilty for no longer donig "Asian American stuff" and why I reject identity politics. So it's more personal than most law profs would write, but not horrible.

But in these comments! Holy schlamoly, between flirting with w-lfs-n and all of the threads about sex that I so foolishly participate in---!!!!

Although, I should probably have worried less about the particular case of my racist dad's potential disownment as being TMI---I think I refer to him as my "psycho strict Asian father" almost every other week on my blog, and talk about how it was from his example that I became a liberal law professor aspirant, and why I wanted to do civil rights law and social justice. So, maybe the hiring committees won't hold it against me after all. I am a symbol of progressive, assimilationist America, and the transformative power of the law!


Posted by: Belle Lettre | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 11:01 PM
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Are any of you unwashed east coasters harboring any last hopes that the Lakers won't come into your town and shame you? 'Cause that's the path to tears my friends.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 11:04 PM
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73 -- Depends on the opening I have. Obviously always JD with good academics, and nearly always some directly relevant experience.


Posted by: Nápi | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 11:08 PM
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72: Interesting!


Posted by: Belle Lettre | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 11:10 PM
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If not for the JD, which I don't have, I'd apply. Seriously.

On the indiscretion side of things, I've gotten tired of being pseudonymous, but don't want to give up continuity of identity here (and don't really want to associate my commenting history here with my real name).


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 11:13 PM
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What about just some guy?

Is the position for gentleman caller vis-à-vis your daughter open?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 11:13 PM
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Is the position for gentleman caller vis-à-vis your daughter open?

Pray tell, to whom are you talking?


Posted by: Ari | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 11:15 PM
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Nápi is well-known to have a lovely daughter.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 11:18 PM
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Ah, thanks.


Posted by: Ari | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 11:23 PM
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If 79 is addressed to me, the answer is that I'm not authorized to participate in the selection process.


Posted by: Nápi | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 11:26 PM
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[smoove]Nápi, got any African in your family tree? Want some?[/smoove]


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 11:28 PM
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(The white man invented pwnage to make us feel bad.)


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 11:29 PM
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The continuity of identity thing is why I don't tack on an extra-pseud. Also, I kind of just suddenly delurked several months ago, and it feels weird to create a new fake persona and do it all over again. Takes a while to build an ethos.

Going presidential, however, is pretty awesome whenever I have a question that I don't want attached to my public pseudonym, even though I know it's fairly easy to figure out with an extra bit of cross-referencing. But it's comforting to ask a question and not worry about what a reader of your blog would think of you, and it's incredibly gratifying to see a community of people come together to seriously answer it and help you. Warm fuzzies.


Posted by: Belle Lettre | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 11:32 PM
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The continuity of identity thing is why I don't tack on an extra-pseud.

I happen to have a quite common first name, so no need for another pseud.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 05-16-08 11:41 PM
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If the readers of your blog don't read Unfogged, Belle, do you really even want them as readers?

More seriously, I have to say, learning about the existence of quokkas, and their more common cousins, the pademelons, has made me all the more determined to move to Australia. Come on. SO CUTE.


Posted by: x. trapnel | Link to this comment | 05-17-08 12:57 AM
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I love all of my blog readers. But only half of them are law profs and judges, and I assumed they read only law blogs. I am narrow minded in my stereotyping behavior like that.

Actually, I just realized--I always figured that Unfogged people never read my blog, and so if I went presidential, no one HERE could figure out who I was. I didn't really think of it the other way, that some reader of L&L would read Unfogged and figure it out, which is why Lawprof Guy freaks me out even as he puts me at ease about the potential consequences.


Posted by: Belle Lettre | Link to this comment | 05-17-08 1:46 AM
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So I don't suppose, Belle, you considered the possibility that someone might read both under a common pseud, and then switch pseuds at only one forum, thus appearing to be different people at U and L&L. Doesn't sound very likely, though, does it?


Posted by: Nápi | Link to this comment | 05-17-08 5:12 AM
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88: Dude, you didn't know about quokkas until now? What have you been kicking all these years?


Posted by: Ari | Link to this comment | 05-17-08 5:58 AM
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The anti-Marlon Perkins voiceover in the linked vid in 88 is cracking me up.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 05-17-08 6:58 AM
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Can I get in on the job bandwagon? I am currently experiencing the frisson of realizing that my boss is training me to take over some of her tasks while she's out for family leave in a couple of months and that my boss' boss probably wants to get rid of me (thus my at-work web time has been drastically reduced to minimize opportunities for criticism by The Powers That Be) and waiting to hear if I'm to be offered a potentially very exciting job elsewhere. I am ready to collapse some probability wavelines or WTFever althefuckready.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 05-17-08 7:04 AM
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If 79 is addressed to me, the answer is that I'm not authorized to participate in the selection process.

But, like the government, you plan on intercepting all communications.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 05-17-08 7:15 AM
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88: No one tell PK.

They're illegal to export, I'm sure.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 05-17-08 7:19 AM
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Are we still being miserable?
I am currently in a big old house in Scituate, MA, a house with which I am unfamiliar. Last night, perhaps a tiny bit overserved, I opened what I thought was the bathroom door and boldly stepped in. Alas, it was in fact the door leading to very steep basement stairs. And ass over teakettle I went -- righted briefly on the narrow landing, but then boom -- all the way to the bottom. My ankle hurts; my shoulder kind of sore -- but not dead, so there's something.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 05-17-08 7:34 AM
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Seeing as you're not dead, it has to be said that's pretty funny.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 05-17-08 7:46 AM
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Yowtch.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 05-17-08 7:52 AM
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OT:
This was in the Washington Post (about how people are right to doubt Obama's Americanness, by Kathleen Parker):

It's about blood equity, heritage and commitment to hard-won American values. And roots. Some run deeper than others and therein lies the truth of Josh Fry's political sense. It's about blood equity, heritage and commitment to hard-won American values. And roots..... there's a different sense of America among those who trace their bloodlines back through generations of sacrifice.

Nazis said worse thing than that, but when you start talking about "blood equity" and "bloodlines" you're tempting Godwin. Change "American" to "German" and a Nazi could have written that.

She's probably a supporter of the Southron cause too, but she gets space in a lot of respectable newspapers.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 05-17-08 8:28 AM
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Not quite right. Parker wrote that, and then she was invited to write something else about Obama for the Post. It was still obnoxious, but less Nazi.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 05-17-08 8:32 AM
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101: It was still obnoxious, but less Nazi.

Yes, it was merely "Obama and Edwards are TEH GAY!" (and Edwards got a haircut.) But hey!, shes a "consulting faculty member" at the Buckley* School of Public Speaking so who am I to doubt her wisdom.

*Run by William F's dumber and more racist brother Reid.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 05-17-08 9:02 AM
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The Washington Post editorial page is now in the spectrum with the Wall St. Journal/New York Sun/IBD axis of stupid warmongering. It's a little more respectable, I guess, but Fred Hiatt certainly is a piece of work.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 05-17-08 9:14 AM
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Blowing up an IC, while unfortunate as far as making continued KILLER ROBOT progress today, is much cooler than I'd imagined. I figured it would just stop working, but no! I actually blew a hole in it, a process that involved a loud snap and acrid smoke. Neat!

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Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05-17-08 10:07 AM
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Ahh, sorry oudemia. That sort of thing does sound funny in a movie, but I imagine that it would be considerably less so in real life--even for a spectator. Next time you're in Massachusetts, come visit us in Boston.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 05-17-08 10:41 AM
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That sounds unpleasant, McManly. Hope you get the job you want.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 05-17-08 10:43 AM
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103: I think I see a trend here, Mr. "Bandwidth is a class enemy. Good HTML is annoying HTML." Admit it, you're some kind of Luddite 5th columnist working to destroy computers and computing, aren't you?


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 05-17-08 12:42 PM
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106: oh, crap. I was hoping nobody would actually take me up on the offer to look that stuff up.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05-17-08 12:47 PM
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Interesting times, I'll stay mum. I'll just say that when it turned out that all that Usenet shit had been archived and was searchable it was quite the object lesson in what the 'net really meant. (Especially given that many folks had only non-anonymous work or college e-mail accounts.)


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 05-17-08 12:54 PM
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108: eh public is public is public. If it really bothered me, I would have changed my handle sometime in the intervening 18 years. If future employers would like to know my high school self's analysis of the symbolism in 2001, so be it.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05-17-08 12:57 PM
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My honest opinion is that I'd rather not work for any employer who felt it necessary to go track down my online comments, a principle I'll never have to keep because no one would have time to read everything I've ever said online.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 05-17-08 1:15 PM
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94 -- Kid goes away to college, and that train's pretty much out of the station.

99 -- Some of Barack Obama's ancestors lived in what is now the United States in the 17th century. Not everyone named Kathleen can say that . . .


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I once gave a thumbs down for someone for a job on reading their web comments on several political sites. They were extremely bitter and partisan (wingnut variety). I was not the final hiring decider, but my word had a bit of weight.


Posted by: John Adams | Link to this comment | 05-17-08 4:28 PM
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Some of Barack Obama's ancestors lived in what is now the United States in the 17th century. Not everyone named Kathleen can say that . . .

To say nothing of aliens like MC or Ogged.

Oh, sure, Ogged is a "naturalized" "citizen". Blood will out, as Kathleen so kindly explains.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 05-17-08 5:18 PM
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