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I consider myself a Muslim in some sense

This is an extremely culturally white thing to say, my brother.


Posted by: slolernr | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 12:03 PM
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You're going to be so surprised when I behead you.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 12:04 PM
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With my dying thought I will mock your shoes, al-Honkey.


Posted by: slolernr | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 12:09 PM
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So will Florida Jews get the same treatment as WV hicks?

/troll


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 12:10 PM
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So will Florida Jews get the same treatment as WV hicks?

If only.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 12:11 PM
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I think there was an "assimilated" character like Ogged in the last season of 24. If only Jack Bauer had tortured him in time.


Posted by: PGD | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 12:12 PM
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Despite my parents not being very religious (father) or outright atheistic (mother), I consider myself Jewish in some sense. (And we know all about Catholics and their abominable Church.)

The truth of these things has no bearing on whether Obama considers himself Muslim "in some sense", or whether the sense in which he might or might not consider himself Muslim has fuck all to do with anything.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 12:13 PM
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7.2: I'm not sure that's true; surely, regardless of Obama's feelings towards Islam as a religion, his background makes him more empathetic to Muslims than even a fairly open-minded American who doesn't know any Muslims personally.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 12:22 PM
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You've all seen this, right?

Obama's gonna make you crackers sit at the back of the bus!


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 12:22 PM
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Obama's gonna make you crackers sit at the back of the bus!

Well, yeah. Why do you think black voter registration and turnout by blacks has been so high this year? It's not because of his health care plan.


Posted by: Gabriel | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 12:26 PM
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My experience is that older blacks tend to be towards the front of the bus, but the younger ones (you know, the hip-hoppers - those ones) sit in the back.

Those who are ignorant of history, etc.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 12:28 PM
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his background makes him more empathetic to Muslims

So you're saying the flag pin burns his skin, and that's why he won't wear it?


Posted by: baa | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 12:28 PM
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Apo will be able to ride in the front of the bus only when drunk.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 12:28 PM
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12: Exactly.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 12:29 PM
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My feelings on Jewish issues are influenced by my Jewish husband, and yet, if someone said: "she's slept with one of those Jews and you can't take that out of her" I'd think they were anti-semitic. Go figure.


Posted by: Katherine | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 12:30 PM
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Wow, the landscape in Eastern Kentucky is beautiful.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 12:30 PM
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you crackers

This blog features a high incidence of the pot calling the kettle white.


Posted by: slolernr | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 12:30 PM
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From TPM:

SurveyUSA has released another one of their statewide vice presidential match-up polls. This time of Virginia. In the straight match-up, Obama vs. McCain with no veep names, Obama leads by 7 points.

Holy shit.

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Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 12:31 PM
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Obama's gonna make you crackers sit at the back of the bus!

My support for light rail over the years has been motivated by fear of this possibility.


Posted by: My Alter Ego | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 12:31 PM
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15: Because you know your husband did take it out of you?


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 12:31 PM
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17.---They're glazed, Le Creuset pots and kettles, see.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 12:33 PM
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Despite my parents not being very religious (father) or outright atheistic (mother),

So your father's not very religious, and your mother's not outright atheistic, you should be in the comfortable middle.


Posted by: Ardent reader | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 12:35 PM
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McCain's age in the campaign will be a bigger issue than Obama's race. White voter in support of Obama, in general, has been very optimistic. I've been surprised at Virginia being labeled slightly-leaning Republican. I think Obama's a clear winner there.


Posted by: asl | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 12:36 PM
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Is BPL white? Because I don't like it when the Muslims take Christian women into their harems.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 12:36 PM
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17.---They're glazed, Le Creuset pots and kettles, see.

Sometimes Emile Henry.


Posted by: I don't pay | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 12:37 PM
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So, you know, I don't see any contradiction between saying "she's totally being racist" and saying "having an empathetic connection to Muslims, because you're related to them, is a good thing"; what's racist about what she's saying is that she thinks it's a bad thing.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 12:37 PM
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"she's slept with one of those Jews and you can't take that out of her"

Wait, Jewpenises are like bee stingers?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 12:37 PM
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The guy frowning over the girl's left shoulder in 24 does look like Obama. If he had a big beard.


Posted by: Ardent reader | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 12:38 PM
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So your father's not very religious, and your mother's not outright atheistic,

Blast!


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 12:38 PM
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26 is correct.

The only thing that's new here is that someone believes both A) Obama is not a Muslim and B) Obama is not to be trusted, because Muslims are not to be trusted.


Posted by: Ardent reader | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 12:39 PM
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Wait, Jewpenises are like bee stingers?

Jewdorks are barbed; jewcunts are toothy.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 12:39 PM
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24.---What did those perfidious Mohamatans done to that poor woman's pubic hair?


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 12:41 PM
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32: A better wax than Becks got, certainly.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 12:41 PM
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Some problems forming tenses in my earlier comment, I see.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 12:42 PM
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11: This matches my experience too.

And I must be trying to prove my youth and street-cred because I usually sit in the back of the bus too.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 12:44 PM
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I sit on top of the bus, because I'm the oppressor.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 12:45 PM
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Is the racism of a statement canceled out if its true? I didn't think those were mutually exclusive. Like Sifu said, it's more how the statement is being used, or whether it is being used in good faith, that makes it racist.


Posted by: Rottin' in Denmark | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 12:46 PM
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I sit on top of the bus, because I'm the oppressor.

I drive a car, because buses are for honkeys.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 12:48 PM
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9- White working-class voters need to be patterned for number of teeth.


Posted by: asl | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 12:48 PM
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Should prejudice against Muslims be called racism?


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 12:48 PM
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I sit on top of the bus, because I'm the oppressor.

I am the uber-oppressor, because I own the bus.


Posted by: My Alter Ego | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 12:50 PM
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40- Because brown peoples get lumped in, yes.


Posted by: asl | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 12:50 PM
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40: yes.

Because (a) it would have a very different flavor if most muslims were white and (b) there's no nice, short word for religious prejudice. Also, (c) that woman is clearly racist.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 12:51 PM
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A bigot, a racist, let's call the whole thing off.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 12:51 PM
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I repair the transmission of the bus.


Posted by: asl | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 12:52 PM
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I ate the schoolbus.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 12:53 PM
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Sifu is right in 26, but I take the point of the post more to be that while the woman is saying a racist thing the racist thing she is saying is racist because it is a negative interpretations of something liberals are apt to give a positive interpretation to. That is, she is not making a prejudicial statement about Muslims, so much, as she is saying having empathy for them is bad, where I think it is good. The truth value of her statement, however, is not something that can be played up as a selling point on a national electorate scale, so instead, the truth value of her statement has to be denied for maximum political efficacy. And that is a weird thing.


Posted by: Sybil Vane | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 12:53 PM
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35 to 31.


Posted by: Tom Scudder | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 12:54 PM
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43: Yes, but......well, I'm remembering the part in Malcom X's autobiography when he goes to Mecca and discovers that there are lots of lily-white Muslims.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 12:55 PM
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My favorite rat back dialogue

Dean: "Oh, get in the back of the bus, Sam"

Sammy: "Jews don't ride in the back of the bus"

Frank: "Yeah, dey own the bus!"


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 12:56 PM
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The Driver on the bus says "Move on back,
move on back, move on back."

(The above link courtesy of the U.S Government.)


Posted by: My Alter Ego | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 12:56 PM
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Racism is funnier with a New York accent and a glass of ice-clinky whiskey.


Posted by: Rottin' in Denmark | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 12:59 PM
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I propose One Bus Per Child.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 1:00 PM
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The only way the bigoted among us can come to understand that Muslims are just people is to bring the funny-looking neighbors some pie.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 1:00 PM
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49: racist white Americans do not often take their cues from Malcolm X.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 1:00 PM
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55: Speak for yourself, honkyWhite Devil!


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 1:08 PM
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54: Most Americans hate and fear architects. If you bring me some fresh-baked pie*, we can talk it out.

* No pecans, please. I hate that Southern shit.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 1:11 PM
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Learn to take the win, ogged. I'm pleased by the woman's statement. That's how people move on issues: they think that gay marriage is an abomination, but their friend's daughter is gay, so maybe they'll withhold their horror just to see. And then the sky doesn't rain fire, and they shift a bit. I didn't click through, so maybe the joke's on me, but this seems like a happy story, not a nutpicking story.

And your argument on identification with Muslims for Barry Obama is strained.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 1:12 PM
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No pecans, please. I hate that Southern shit

Just so you know, JRoth, I'm going to take a shit in the Monongahela river and let it float north to you just for that comment.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 1:16 PM
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From the link in #54:

"in your heart of hearts, whatever vanishingly small worries you have about terrorism involve a guy on a bus who doesn't look like Tim McVeigh."

My mom was one of McVeigh's elementary school teachers. She said that little bastard was trouble from the start.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 1:17 PM
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Posted by: peter | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 1:24 PM
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Just think: if only Populuxe's mom had been able to use corporal punishment, maybe that building would still be standing.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 1:27 PM
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59: Actually, I recently enjoyed some pecan pie - if the filling's not too heavy, and the crust is right, they're OK. But I don't much like nuts (or raisins) in my desserts.

As I attested recently, I'm really a sucker for Southern food.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 1:28 PM
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This is a confusing post -- there's nothing, *nothing* racist about saying "his father was a Muslim and you can't take that out of him." Islam is a religion, not a race, and there is a world of difference between the two. It's racism to assume that a person's skin color is determinative of their behavior, but it is certainly not racist to say that the ideological/religious environment in which one grows up is indelibly written on his mind.

It's not the case that people always wind up with the views of their parents, obviously, but the whole question has nothing whatsoever to do with racism.


Posted by: anon | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 1:30 PM
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How about "bigotry," anon?


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 1:32 PM
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This is what Jeffrey Goldberg's interview with Obama was about. More than any actual issue Goldberg wants Obama to say that he intuitively sides with one ethnic group over another.

I think the back-of-the-bus youth are taking those seats for the same reason they'd take the seats in the back of a classroom.


Posted by: kegler | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 1:32 PM
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there's nothing, *nothing* racist about saying "his father was a Muslim and you can't take that out of him."

The adage"You can take a boy out the country, but you can't take the country out a boy" is considered a truism in that part of the country, so you can see how the same thought process works for religious heritage.

That said, the distinction between the Muslim religion and the Arab ethnicity is pretty commonly elided in the population at large, and probably even more so Down South. And the phrase "sand n****rs" for arabs was pretty common in my recollection.


Posted by: KR | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 1:37 PM
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Well, considering the muslim father to which Obama had some connection growing up was not his biological father, and considering Obama had only an extremely tenuous connection to a muslim "ideological/religious environment" growing up, it might be a teesy bit racist even under your perspective of what counts as racist. It seems you made the same assumptions as the woman Ogged quoted. Brown guy with a funny name? We really need to dig into his religious and ethnic past.


Posted by: Grumps | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 1:40 PM
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but it is certainly not racist to say that the ideological/religious environment in which one grows up is indelibly written on his mind.

Questions get raised when (a) you can't define "grows up" or describe the ideological/religious environment very well.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 1:41 PM
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Sybil Vane, marry me.

And yes, of course what she's saying is racist (or bigoted), I was just contrasting it with "plain tainted-blood racism."


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 1:55 PM
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Ogged, get my kid to start napping again. And erase my memories of cigarettes. Then, yes.


Posted by: Sybil Vane | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 2:22 PM
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Actually, do those things *and* don't wear those dork ass toe shoes.


Posted by: Sybil Vane | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 2:24 PM
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>And yes, of course what she's saying is racist (or bigoted)

Contrast with, "His father was a Christian and you can't take that out of him."


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 2:27 PM
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I have nap room experience, Sybil. And have had now two girlfriends who smoked when we started going out, but no longer do. Strange that your dream guy is named "ogged" but life is funny sometimes.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 2:34 PM
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have had now two girlfriends who smoked when we started going out, but no longer do

Because they're dead, right?


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 2:36 PM
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IT'S A TRAP, SYBIL! IF YOU SLEEP WITH HIM, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO GET THE SHI'A OUT OF YOU!


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 2:37 PM
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Sybil, please move to Virginia for 6 months before you act on Ogged's proposal.


Posted by: Will | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 2:37 PM
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two girlfriends who smoked when we started going out I set them on fire, but no longer do


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 2:38 PM
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Sybil, do you have good teeth? Because Arabs really care about that.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 2:39 PM
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Because they're dead, right?

that made me laugh out loud.


Posted by: Will | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 2:41 PM
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Smokes smoked while bicycling don't count. The jolly useless security guard in my building caught my eye and returned my bicycle helmet this morning, I had left it on a bench last Friday. I always thought he disliked me, so a doubly nice surprise.

Many people hate the idea of rootlessness, both personally and for society, but want to keep its benefits. Thus lip service to traditions and attitudes to which people are actually indifferent. There are probably dirt-eaters somewhere consistently opposed to rootlessness, too, but they can eat the lead paint offa grandpappy's windowsills for all the difference they make.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 2:41 PM
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I have lovely teeth. One crooked one on the bottom, which is charming.

Will, I am prepared to accept ogged's proposal, no more questions asked, but would like to act on your cock-blocking. Instead of moving to VA for 6 months, (as I assume ogged will be moving to me, given my lucrative academic career), could we modify it so that you move to, say, GA for 6 months? And we see how it goes?


Posted by: Sybil Vane | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 2:43 PM
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could we modify it so that you move to, say, GA for 6 months?

You mean, you're only 14?


Posted by: KR | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 2:47 PM
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Eisenhower's parents were Jehovah's Witnesses and the evidence seems to be that he was raised as one, although that was somewhat covered up while he was in the military and running for the Presidency. (He was confirmed into the Presbyterian Church just days after taking office in 1953.) In addition to the later political concerns of being from a "nutty" sect, there was the conflict between his role in the military and the JW position on military duty. Clearly, not completely analagous, and absent the racist overtones, but it does have some elements in common.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 2:47 PM
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84 is a pretty good Emerson imitation.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 2:48 PM
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Instead of moving to VA for 6 months, (as I assume ogged will be moving to me, given my lucrative academic career), could we modify it so that you move to, say, GA for 6 months? And we see how it goes?

I am torn between lust for money and lust for sybil. Fortunately, lust for sybil combined with lust to cock-block ogged totally destroys the money factor.

Plus, I have kin in Savannah.


Posted by: Will | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 3:04 PM
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Nixon, as we know, was a Quaker.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 3:05 PM
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I am torn between lust for money and lust for sybil

I feel almost certain that people get divorced in GA.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 3:09 PM
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I think there is something in At Ease—a startlingly well-written book—about one of Ike's brothers telling him about his mother's grief and anguish, which she hid from him, on his leaving for West Point.


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Nixon, as we know, was a Quaker, and a shaker, a mover and a love-maker.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 3:15 PM
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Was Nixon a practicing Quaker? as an adult, I mean.


Posted by: Mary Catherine | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 3:42 PM
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Was Nixon a practicing Quaker? as an adult, I mean.

Don't you remember his ardent embrace of pacifism as President, Mary Catherine? His legendary probity in his dealings with others?


Posted by: KR | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 3:47 PM
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84: Interesting, considering that he authorized the controversial "under God" addition to the pledge (apparenty after his conversion to Presbyterianism, and this: "In 1940 the Supreme Court, in deciding the case of Minersville School District v. Gobitis, ruled that students in public schools could be compelled to recite the Pledge, even Jehovah's Witnesses like the Gobitases (whose name was misspelled as 'Gobitis' in the court case), who considered the flag salute to be idolatry. In the wake of this ruling, there was a rash of mob violence and intimidation against Jehovah's Witnesses. In 1943 the Supreme Court reversed its decision, ruling in West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette that "compulsory unification of opinion" violated the First Amendment."

I like the Barnette case. Damn you, Ike.


Posted by: Belle Lettre | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 3:58 PM
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He practiced and practiced, but he never got very good at it.

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Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 3:59 PM
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93: [Eisenhower, Jehovah's & the Pledge]

Yes, that is an interesting connection. This is a pretty extensive account of Eisenhower and the Jehovah's but it does not cover that aspect other than to note that Eisenhower did reference "God and religion" quite a bit during his presidency.

It does hve one quote from an article form the Watchtower magazine, complaining about the VFW and American Legion participating in his mother's funeral (1946) when they claimed those organizations had a history of fomenting violence against Jehovah's Witnesses.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 4:37 PM
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Was Nixon a practicing Quaker? as an adult, I mean

It appears he swore, rather than affirmed.


Posted by: slolernr | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 5:11 PM
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Was Nixon a practicing Quaker? as an adult, I mean

It appears he swore, rather than affirmed.


Posted by: slolernr | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 5:11 PM
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Hoover was a Quaker also, I think, with a public career much more consistent with the sect's principles than Nixon's. Did he affirm, does anybody know?


Posted by: I don't pay | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 5:13 PM
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It appears he swore

I'll say he did!


Posted by: KR | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 5:19 PM
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Did he affirm, does anybody know?

Doesn't look like it. Wikipedia cites the Washington Post: "Hoover Plans to Swear on Bible, Taking Oath."

More interestingly, a transcript of a press conference by a government historian on the history of the oath of office. The Q&A towards the end is particularly good, except for the part when he gets the dates wrong.


Posted by: witt | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 5:32 PM
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As an atheist, I would demand that whatever oath I swore just be fuck and shit and so on.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 5:50 PM
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so even liberals who understand it have to read her comment as straight racism, and denounce it, which leads to people Ogged saying that they're naive idealists.

"People" tend to say "that's not racist!" The hangup about naive idealism is pretty much all Ogged's.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 7:26 PM
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Also I'm pretty damn impressed with the skinny hat-wearing white guy in the Yglesias post who says straight up that it's b/c "white people have been making black people sit in the back of the bus for years" and he's (?) afraid that if blacks get power it'll be time to turn the tables. Most honest thing I've heard about racism in ages.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 7:32 PM
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Most honest thing I've heard about racism in ages.

Honest, yes. But it isn't clear to me what he thinks the 17 black people in West Virginia are going to do to him, exactly.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 7:45 PM
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104: But it isn't clear to me what he thinks the 17 black people in West Virginia are going to do to him, exactly.

Lose to Pitt.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 7:47 PM
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I admire honesty, though. And mmmmmmaybe he's just talking about why people are racist, in general terms, rather than saying he thinks that way.

In any case, it's easier to have a discussion with an honest man than with the woman at the beginning of the clip, who's all, "I would never vote for a . . . . I'm not racist, now."


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 7:47 PM
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105 was, it pains me to admit, awfully funny.


Posted by: KR | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 8:47 PM
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105 shows the proper role for sports trash-talk in our society.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 8:50 PM
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106.2: That cracked me up -- it was just so cliche.


Posted by: Hamilton-Lovecraft | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 9:06 PM
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Also, since this seems to be the political thread du jour, I just want to say I'm taking the safety off my Hillary hatred gun* again, and resting my finger lightly along the side of the trigger guard.

* Note to Secret Service: This is a purely metaphorical gun, and it shoots vitriol instead of lead. Please do not tackle me to the ground.


Posted by: Hamilton-Lovecraft | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 9:09 PM
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Damn it. "Clinton" for "Hillary" above -- I've been trying very hard to use it consistently. :(


Posted by: Hamilton-Lovecraft | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 9:11 PM
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111, in light of the content of 110, is kind of funny.

It also makes me think that I've been meaning to start a big, pointless fight over the fact that everybody in Massachusetts calls the senior senator "Teddy".


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Note to Secret Service: "vitriol", in this context, means "angry invective". Please do not hurt Mr. Lovecraft.

And, uhh, "invective" means "harsh words".


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 9:20 PM
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113: Note to Secret Service: Knecht Ruprecht doesn't think you're stupid or anything. He's just trying to make things perfectly clear here.


Posted by: Hamilton-Lovecraft | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 9:22 PM
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112: In light of the postscript to 110, I'm not going to quote Lazarus Long here.


Posted by: Hamilton-Lovecraft | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 9:22 PM
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105 is awesome.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 9:23 PM
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Note to Secret Service: "invective" refers to angry speech. It's not some kind of radioactive super-poison, you fucking morons.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 9:28 PM
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everybody in Massachusetts calls the senior senator "Teddy".

You can call her "Hillary" if you're a big fan.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 9:30 PM
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118: sweet. I'm a huge fan. I wish Hillary would knock it the fuck off with the driving the party apart.

Fun Fact: the superdelegate I know lost the position that gives them aforesaid right because a bunch of Hillary supporters wanted revenge for superdelegate-I-know's support of Obama.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 9:35 PM
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What was her superdelegatepower?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 9:39 PM
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Eyebeams!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 9:41 PM
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The ability to be stripped of office!


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 9:42 PM
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120: wait, why did you say "her"?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 9:43 PM
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Because Apo's a feminist. Duh.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 9:46 PM
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Was I right?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 9:47 PM
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How should I know?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05-22-08 9:48 PM
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#27: Wait, Jewpenises are like bee stingers?

They're actually a bit larger.


Posted by: Gaijin Biker | Link to this comment | 05-23-08 1:44 AM
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127: They're actually a bit larger.

Don't sell yourself short, that's only true for really big bees.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 05-23-08 2:25 AM
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This, you realize, is why Jerry Seinfeld made Bee Movie. He was jealous.


Posted by: Gaijin Biker | Link to this comment | 05-23-08 2:38 AM
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As I read "Dreams from my Father", it was Barack's paternal grandfather who was the last real Muslim in the family. His dad was by all accounts agnostic. Furthermore, he only met his father once in his life, around the age of ten, as shortly after he was born, his dad left to attend school at Harvard.

This entire conversation seems about due for a Seinfeldian, "not that there's anything wrong with that" disclaimer.


Posted by: jericho4119 | Link to this comment | 05-23-08 1:19 PM
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