Re: So Many Insulted

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OGGED AS I TRIED TO TELL YOU LAST NIGHT YOU HAVE BEEN SPECIALLY SELLECTED FOR YOUR TRUSTWORTHINESS AND GOOD HONOR TO ACT IF YOU MAY BE KIND ENOUGH TO HELP ME ACQUIRE A SUBSTANTIAL SUM OF MONEY LEFT IN A BANK ACCOUNT BY THE FORMER RULER OF MY COUNTRY NIGERIA AND IF I AM ABLE TO GET THIS LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY IN THE SUM OF 15 BILLION DOLLARS I WOULD BE PLEASED TO SPLIT IT WITH YOU


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05-29-08 8:59 AM
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I've heard that people try to scam craigslist housing ads by claiming that they're a group of people - usually from England - who want to rent the entire house/apartment for a year and offer to prepay. Then they send a check and claim that it includes both rent and some amount of money to be paid to an American moving company to help them ship their stuff. Would you be so kind as to transfer some of that money out of your account to the moving company?


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 05-29-08 9:05 AM
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i try to respond to everything
so i intepret that my emails with translations never reached you, how pity


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 05-29-08 9:05 AM
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Speaking of email gone awry, has this been linked yet?

http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/9609.html

--- Original Message --- From: Steve Gilbert To: markkitchell@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 6:14 AM Subject: Any Record Of Charles W Payne?

Mr. Kitchell,

As you may have heard by now, Barack Obama has claimed that his great uncle Charlie Payne was a member of the 89th Div that liberated Buchenwald.

According to records his full name is either Charles W Payne or Charles T Payne (most likely the former), and he was born in 1924 -- and he is still alive today.

He most likely was from Kansas at the time of enlistment.

Do you have any record of this gentleman?

Thank you,

Steve Gilbert
sweetness-light.com

PS - If you go to my website, you will see that I was probably the first to note the error in Mr. Obama's first claims about his "uncle."


the response...

Please crawl back under the rock you came out from.

Good day

Raymond Kitchell, veteran 89th Inf Div


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 05-29-08 9:05 AM
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4: yeah that's pretty much fabulous. "What? He's a veteran! Of course he wants to smear Obama!"

The Swift Boaters left the poor lad a little bit confused, methinks.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05-29-08 9:08 AM
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Have people forgotten that Reagan claimed that he personally was present at the liberation of a concentration camp, when in fact he never left the U.S. during his army service?


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 05-29-08 10:46 AM
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I don't think I knew that, but I'd hesitate to bring it up because Reagan's is a whopper, while Obama seems to have misspoken.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 05-29-08 10:48 AM
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Reagan's is a whopper Alzheimer's that was already apparent midway through his first term.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05-29-08 10:51 AM
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#6. I remember that. Was it at the 40th anniversary of the invasion of Normandy? Or at Bitburg?

I haven't followed this. Did Obama misspeak, or did he just refer to his great-uncle as his uncle? It all seems fairly straightforward to me.

(The comments at S&L are pretty rancid. They've already decided that Kitchell is a "Sheehanite.")


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 05-29-08 10:57 AM
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I haven't followed this. Did Obama misspeak, or did he just refer to his great-uncle as his uncle? It all seems fairly straightforward to me.

He said his (great)uncle was at the liberation of Auschwitz, when in fact it was Buchenwald, I believe is the story.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 05-29-08 11:02 AM
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Right. He said his uncle liberated Auschwitz, when his great-uncle liberated Buchenwald.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 05-29-08 11:05 AM
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re: 10/11

And this is a bloody story? Gah.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 05-29-08 11:08 AM
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And this is a bloody story? Gah.

Not really. A cluster of wingnuts has been trying to make it one, but the vet who runs a website dedicated to the history of the infantry division that Obama's great-uncle belonged to gave them a lovely great smackdown, and that is what lots of blogs are giddily chattering about.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 05-29-08 11:13 AM
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And this is a bloody story?

The story is that the right wing is so pathetically desperate in the face of the ass-kicking they know they are about to receive, that they'll latch on to anything they possibly can. Also, they all think they're going to break the next big Rathergate.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05-29-08 11:25 AM
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14 makes sense. Although, I wouldn't be sure yet about the ass-kicking.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 05-29-08 11:27 AM
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He said his uncle liberated Auschwitz, when his great-uncle liberated Buchenwald.

Just a tangential observation: Auschwitz occupies today an iconic position in the memory of the Holocaust because 50 years of historiography have identified its rightful place. In 1945, by contrast, Buchenwald and Dachau occupied that position in the American imagination, because American troops had done the liberating and American newsmen could report the story. (The American commander famously compelled around 1,000 residents of nearby Weimar to visit the camp and view the piles of corpses, the better to impress upon them the evil of the defeated regime.)

My point here being, in the immediate post-war period Buchenwald was the very archetype of Nazi evil for the American populace, notwithstanding the fact that it was a relatively minor cog in the machinery of extermination. It's easy to imagine the significance of Obama's great-uncle's experience being transposed onto the now better-known Auschwitz.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 05-29-08 12:23 PM
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14: S,N's phrase for that ("Release the Kerners!") was pretty awesome.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05-29-08 12:30 PM
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Although, I wouldn't be sure yet about the ass-kicking

Tempered optimism, as ever, is called for. But...

Rupert Murdoch (may he burn in hell for a thousand eternities) has an awfully impressive record of getting on political bandwagons just before they leave the station, so I'm encouraged by this


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 05-29-08 12:33 PM
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I know you get my emails, so the ones that you don't respond to make me die a little inside every time. Sniff.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 05-29-08 1:22 PM
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You must have a lot of insides, fatty.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 05-29-08 1:52 PM
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I contain multitudes.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 05-29-08 3:30 PM
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On the other hand, if Truth is important, Obama's mistake was important. People need to care about Truth, and not just their own political goals. "Putting things in context" or "Asking whether it's really that important" are opportunistic evasions by people who care more about their political goals than they do about Truth.

Obama said that his uncle liberated Buchenwald, but his uncle did not liberate Buchenwald. End of story. Obama either lied or else, at the very least, is indifferent to Truth. Either way, he is unfit to be President, because Truth is important.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 05-29-08 6:07 PM
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