Re: Pumphead

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But these effects are supposed to decline after the surgery, no? Wikipedia claims they're transient, etc. How long ago was Clinton under the knife?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 10:34 AM
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Wikipedia claims they're transient

But there's debate about whether they actually are.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 10:37 AM
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See here, for instance.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 10:38 AM
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But this says it's not surgery, but coronary artery disease itself, that causes the mental decline.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 10:39 AM
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And actually, I wasn't quite accurate in saying that the Vanity Fair article said he has pumphead:

There is further medical disagreement about whether such changes are caused in part by small particles of plaque that are discharged by the heart-lung machine and sent to the brain, or by the underlying artery disease itself.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 10:40 AM
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The fact that increased time on the pump correlates with more severe decline sort of argues for the former, don't it?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 10:43 AM
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Eh. The article strikes me as sufficiently bad that I wouldn't trust descriptions of the persistence of Clinton's moods as sufficient to make a lay diagnosis.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 10:43 AM
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This is probably the single scariest thing about needing serious heart surgery. Although I've read that there is a new style of heart-lung machine that is much easier on your blood than the old-school peristaltic ones.

Beats the hell out of dying, I guess...


Posted by: water moccasin | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 10:43 AM
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to make a lay diagnosis

I'm not trying to diagnose Clinton; I'm just wondering about pumphead and whether it'll be a bigger deal as politicians get older.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 10:47 AM
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I read this as "pumpkinhead," and thought to myself, "his face isn't that orange."


Posted by: strasmangelo jones | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 10:47 AM
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I'm inclined to believe in pumphead, having watched my dad's personality change seriously after OHS; I realize just how it works and what the real cause is will have to be teased out.


Posted by: I don't pay | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 10:47 AM
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That article! I like the businessman happening on Steve Bing, Clinton, and a "ravishing posse" (or whatever it was) in an elevator.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 10:48 AM
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Living in bodies is scary as fuck. I'm not afraid of death, but I'm terrified of the long decline and what seems like one to two decades of intense medicalization that precedes death.


Posted by: PGD | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 10:51 AM
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i read first like pimphead and thought, ah, hypoxia, must be there are some symptoms of priapism or cluver-bucy something


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 10:59 AM
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The fact that increased time on the pump correlates with more severe decline sort of argues for the former, don't it?

I think you mean, "doesn't it?".

You're welcome.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 11:13 AM
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i read first like pimphead and thought, ah, hypoxia, must be there are some symptoms of priapism or cluver-bucy something

Those problems predate the bypass in Clinton's case.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 11:21 AM
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Living in bodies is scary as fuck.

The thought of being buried in a Pringles can is even scarier.


Posted by: Mary Catherine | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 11:26 AM
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yeah, yeah, completely irrelevant, funny thing was to read it as i when it's u
i blame the cyrillic


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 11:29 AM
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Once you pop, you can't stop.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 11:29 AM
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Once you pump, you can't stump.


Posted by: dsquared | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 11:30 AM
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Living in bodies is scary as fuck.

Consider the alternative.

As for postperfusion syndrome, I'll check on Father Flippanter, but he's had multiple "cardiac events" without apparent changes to character. Although he's only started complaining about high taxes in the last year or so....


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 11:33 AM
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Consider the alternative.

Immortal robot bodies!
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Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 11:51 AM
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Consider the alternative.

Disembodied ethereal spirits floating through the universe!


Posted by: PGD | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 11:53 AM
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(vats, heads)


Posted by: ixnaythemetier | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 12:04 PM
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Murphy: Well, could my robot be a- heh, beautiful woman?
Sparks: Uh, yeah. Sure.
Murphy: Then you'd better believe I'd put my brain in a robot's body!


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 12:19 PM
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My father has exhibited some degree of personality shift after having had OHS but to be honest it's seemed to track more closely with his getting internet access than with his surgery.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 12:21 PM
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And I got apwned, I'll note, because I wanted to take the time to look up how to spell "Adrienne Barbeaubot."


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 12:22 PM
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Maybe I'm not a robot at all, but just a virus simultaneously infecting many different computers.... What is reality, after all? Who am I, really? What does it all mean?


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 12:23 PM
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John, Chuang-tze called and he wants his existence as perhaps a butterfly back.


Posted by: Bruce Baugh | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 12:37 PM
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Mmmmm, oatmeal.


Posted by: Not Prince Hamlet | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 12:43 PM
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Sorry, the butterfly's too busy working up a hurricane.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 12:47 PM
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OT: This video at TPM is hilarious. Such impressive message discipline.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 12:51 PM
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butterflies


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 1:39 PM
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It pretty much sucks not knowing everything. My guess is there is something to pumphead but it won't be a bigger deal as politicians get older.

We are so far removed from the reality of the candidates and the volume of distortion is so large a new slur like 'pumphead' won't matter a bit.

"Crazy," "pumphead," "tetched in the head," they are all used the same way, as a means to tar someone.

In medicine the precise terms and understanding will matter a great deal. Sadly precision and understanding have no place in politics.


Posted by: Tripp the Crazed! | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 2:30 PM
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