Re: How does the syllaba anceps fit in this scheme?

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Just to confuse things, "prosody" means something entirely different in linguistics.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 6:06 PM
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Is Edward Bulwer-Lytton the model for your blog posts, w-lfs-n?


Posted by: zadfrack | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 6:07 PM
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I take no earthly man as my model.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 6:09 PM
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At least it's not a swimming post.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 6:37 PM
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"strike twice long and twice short simultaneously"

How would one do this?


Posted by: clio | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 6:46 PM
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Yoryis Yatromanolakis would be the one to ask, not me.

It's doubly confusing because he clearly means two trochees in a row, not (as is the most natural reading of that injunction) a spondee followed by dibrach.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 6:49 PM
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He wrote something called Eroticon, didn't he?


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 6:56 PM
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Yes, and it contains an essay called "On Places of Travail yet likewise of Coition", an excerpt of which I've linked to in the part of the post I wrote.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 6:57 PM
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Then I'm glad I never read that. Meter isn't the hard part in the bedroom, it's giving the praepositio, invocation, enumeratio, and epithet.


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 7:01 PM
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Some of us have enough problems as it is just with the exordium.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 7:03 PM
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I couldn't remember the name "exordium" and so headed to wikipedia, where, in the article titled "Exordium", we read this excerpt from the Rhetorica ad Herennium on the flaws to which the exordium is subject and in which "exordium" has been translated by "Introduction", with majuscule "i":

In the Introduction of a cause we must make sure that our style is temperate and that the words are in current use, so that the discourse seems unprepared. An Introduction is faulty if it can be applied as well to a number of causes; that is called a banal Introduction. Again, an Introduction which the adversary can use no less well is faulty, and that is called a common Introduction. That Introduction, again, is faulty which the opponent can turn to his own use against you. And again that is faulty which has been composed in too laboured a style, or is too long; and that which does not appear to have grown out of the cause itself in such a way to have an intimate connection with the Statement of Facts; and, finally, that which fails to make the hearer well disposed or receptive or attentive.

Classical rhetoric and pick-up lines, closer kin than many think.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 7:06 PM
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We're assuming that you've already convinced your muse to come home with you.


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 7:06 PM
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I'm afraid I don't know what "praepositio" means in rhetorical context.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 7:09 PM
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It's the introductory part of an epic poem that introduces the theme.


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 7:14 PM
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Oh, I think I know that as the proem.

Aka exordium, but obviously we were intending different circumstances of use.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 7:16 PM
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"The Woman's Erotic Lament":

He started trochaic
But ended prosaic.


Posted by: Anderson | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 7:40 PM
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Which is the foot that makes the roots of my hair turn red?


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 8:30 PM
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w-lfs-n, are you familiar with John Hollander's Rhyme's Reason? I wish I'd read it a long long time before I ended up doing so.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 9:05 PM
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I've heard of it and seen a scant few of the samples.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 9:09 PM
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The whole thing appears to be available on googlebooks at the above link.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 9:15 PM
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Yeah, it says only excerpts, but I'm at p 16 with no problems.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 9:21 PM
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It doesn't demonstrate the curtal sonnet?!


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 9:28 PM
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Damn! Couldn't get past p 23!


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 9:30 PM
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My copy says it costs $10.95. A good investment, even without the curtal sonnet.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 06- 2-08 9:38 PM
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Epic poems start with invocations, no? menin aeide, thea and andra moi ennepe mousa and mousaon Helikoniadon archometh' aeidein. But I guess arma virumque cano isn't quite the same.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 06- 3-08 5:35 PM
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Part of the proem to the third georgic was once my default away message: "temptanda via est qua me quoque possim tollere humo victorque virum volitare per ora".


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06- 3-08 5:37 PM
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tangentially...

via Johc Cole, one of the Economist bloggers on Obama:

we don't get much analysis like that in the US!


Posted by: cleek | Link to this comment | 06- 4-08 12:30 PM
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