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Actually I rather like cooking threads.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06- 5-08 10:33 PM
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Ogged has a look.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 06- 5-08 10:39 PM
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3!


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06- 5-08 10:46 PM
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Does that dress count as an empire-cut, or whatever?

I'm totally confused and hearing complaints from the laydeez about these cuts of dresses that make them look preggers (which I don't understand; girl in photo: not visibly preggers [not that there's anything wrong with that, one way or the other]).


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06- 5-08 10:50 PM
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She is the person on the front page you single out?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06- 5-08 10:53 PM
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I can share in your disappointment that he didn't choose this. But Ogged is his own special snowflake.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06- 5-08 11:18 PM
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I would have gone for this, actually.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06- 5-08 11:21 PM
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From the picture, she could be pregnant, like just beginning to show. The way that cut sits, you really don't know for sure how much tummy she has. Or doesn't. Which, frankly, is a plus.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 06- 5-08 11:23 PM
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4: It does, but the shape of the skirt and the deep V of the neckline saves it a little. This is more the silhouette that I gripe about, because it would make me look about seven months along.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 06- 5-08 11:28 PM
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The way that cut sits, you really don't know for sure how much tummy she has. Or doesn't. Which, frankly, is a plus.

See, that was my take. "It's just summery! And free!" But I've heard multiple complaints about feeling like one is wearing a maternal gown. I should probably just wear one to work tomorrow and see how I feel, rather than posting third-party rantings on a weblog.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06- 5-08 11:28 PM
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It's also hard if one has any amount of boobage, because the waist is supposed to cut up just under the bust, and this is hard to do if one's bust is too large for the top if one wants to avoid the cups-runneth-over look.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 06- 5-08 11:30 PM
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Ogged has a look.

Redheads? She does appear to be wearing little to no makeup. Is Ogged into hippies?


Posted by: Grumps | Link to this comment | 06- 5-08 11:49 PM
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11: isn't that what makes it look as if you're pregnant, that combination of boobage and tummy?


Posted by: Martin Wisse | Link to this comment | 06- 5-08 11:54 PM
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Combination of boobage and lack of a defined waist, yeah. (It doesn't make one look paunchy, it's just that one could have washboard abs or an eight-pound fetus under there for all the difference it would make.)


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 06- 5-08 11:58 PM
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Yeah, although the super-tiny-tiny empire line mini-dresses that have been around over the past couple of years are so small that the only way they can be worn is if the person wearing them is obviously skinny.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 12:23 AM
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6: I really need to start standing in front of walls that match my outfits.


Posted by: Rottin' in Denmark | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 1:59 AM
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I remember walking around London with my mom a few years ago when she offered "Everyone... looks like a whore". She should have her own Shametorialist page.


Posted by: Rottin' in Denmark | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 2:00 AM
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Is there a reason Ms. Model's dress has flowers on it? I don't mean to denigrate the stripey/non stripey contrast, which works. But if those flowers were either a)abstract, b)arabic text, or c) gone altogether, it would be much more flattering. PS: (I am not a well-dressed person).


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 4:17 AM
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Posted by: emir | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 4:42 AM
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11: Oh, quit bragging, Miss 38E.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 6:16 AM
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I remember walking around London with my mom a few years ago when she offered "Everyone... looks like a whore".

Don't take her to Vegas.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 6:25 AM
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Tommy Hilfiger, of all places, had some really cute tank-like things on a fabric with little eyelets, butmy cups runneth over.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 6:28 AM
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22: OTOH, surely goodness and mercy shall follow you all the days of your life.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 6:29 AM
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Shirley, Goodness, and Mercy, the Quaker triplets.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 6:37 AM
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and Shirley has her very own candidate for the US Senate (as we saw yesterday).


Posted by: NĂ¡pi | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 7:03 AM
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20 to 22.

Where's B to brag about hers?


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 7:11 AM
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It's not bragging if you're bringing it up to say that NO SUMMER CLOTHES WILL FIT YOU.

The empire waist thing is the worst when it's got a bunch of tucks beneath the underboob seam. It's like all the designers forgot how to cut out a dress that has any shape, and they just make giant tubes for every dress. And then they have to fit all those masses of fabric onto the top part, so they gather and fold it all up.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 7:49 AM
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The "looking pregnant" thing is real -- empire waists did that to me even as a bony teenager. They don't do it to everyone, and I'm not sure what the difference is between builds they flatter and builds they don't.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 7:53 AM
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It depends how they are cut, too, I think. My wife has a (modern) 60s-styled vintage-looking 'flapper' dress that's cut with a sort of empire line shape* and it's quite tightly tailored with a flat front under the empire waist rather than gathered/tucked so it doesn't do the 'pregnancy' thing and I suspect it wouldn't no matter who the wearer.

* i.e. it's a modern take on a 60s take on a 20s cut.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 8:01 AM
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11, 20, 22, 23, 26, 27; no fact more lamented by half the unfoggetariat, nor more celebrated by the other.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 8:07 AM
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28. Right. I've witnessed women in those things being asked when the baby was due before now.


Posted by: OneFatEnglishman | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 8:07 AM
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29: Oh, sure, but what you're describing is a fitted sheath with a seam under the breasts, not really what one would generally call an empire waist. Similar, but not the same. Fitted sheath dresses generally rule, or at least they're flattering on me.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 8:07 AM
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re: 32

No, this isn't a sheath shape. The skirt is fuller and slightly pleated and the section around the bust is still fairly empire-ish. It's sort of a hybrid thing, like a cross between a 60s maxi-dress, a 20s flapper dress, and a classic early 19th century empire shape. It's just that the panel directly below the seam is tailored rather than 'ruched' but it's 'ruched' further down (like a classic empire line).

Googling, I discover, there's a name for this. A 'banded empire waist'. The band in this case is fairly deep.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 8:14 AM
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You learn a lot about dress-making (between brawls) growing up on the mean streets of (little town near?) Glasgow.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 8:19 AM
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Yeah, that would avoid the pregnancy look while still being empire-ish. Sounds pretty.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 8:20 AM
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Growing up on the mean streets of (little town near) Glasgow is not actually great for avoiding either pregnancy or its look, I hear.


Posted by: peter | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 8:22 AM
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Alas. Even today my 58-year-old baby sister has a lovely slender, busty figure that drives men wild, but when she was young she got no value from that because that was the Twiggy era. Or so she says.

See, reality sucks. Nobody can win. We are particles of light trapped in a world of darkness and evil, as Mani pointed out.

Apparently eating melons is one thing that you can do to moderate the evil effects of Being. (You'll still be too busty, but you'll care less.)


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 8:26 AM
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re: 34

Yeah. You need to watch for the razor gangs. One disparaging word about Vionnet's work and they'll bias cut your face.

More seriously, my wife works in fashion retail so I have to listen to a fair bit of clothes/shoes/handbags talk.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 8:26 AM
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Melons ameliorate the tragedy of melons? Wouldn't have figured.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 8:27 AM
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And, obviously, I'm all metrosexual and shit.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 8:29 AM
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The ladies here ought to try the melon treatment. It probably won't work, but mmmmmmmmm. Celibacy and vegetarianism are other Manichaean precepts, but the melon part is easier.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 8:37 AM
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Cucumbers, squash, pumpkins. All liberating.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 8:37 AM
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I had melon soup with mint for lunch yesterday. It was awesome.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 8:42 AM
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Oh, she looks so good.

You're fantasizing about eating granola with her, aren't you?

max
['And then: the satisfying bowel movement!']


Posted by: max | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 8:45 AM
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Melon also works well when taken as part of a freshly-made sorbet or gelato. It really is the cure what what existentially ails ya.


Posted by: Po-Mo Polymath | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 8:47 AM
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43: Does reality now seem a little less grim?

Jimi Hendrix expressed the Manichaean principle as "There ain't no life nowhere".


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 8:47 AM
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42: Where do tubers fall on the liberation scale?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 8:49 AM
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speaking of pregnant, where on earth can I find a maternity black skirt or tailored pants I can wear with a suit that won't cost $100? I have two black suit jackets which should fit for a while longer & the fabric ought to be fairly easy to match, but I can't find maternity business-type clothes at all. Ann Taylor only sees fit to make cutesy sundresses, which pisses me off.


Posted by: Katherine | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 8:51 AM
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Potatoes and yams are African and New World plants, so there was probably no ruling.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 8:52 AM
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48: Congratulations! ...right? Did I miss an earlier announcement?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 8:57 AM
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You know, I just looked at the picture from the post, and while I'm sure that woman's pretty, that isn't a very good picture.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 8:57 AM
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(It's also charming to have your "business wear" dep't carry mainly capri pants. What the hell? What do women who have to wear suits regularly as opposed to a few times a month do?)


Posted by: Katherine | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 8:58 AM
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50: geez, heebie, do try to keep up. I bet you don't know Emerson's pregnant, either.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 8:58 AM
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Does reality now seem a little less grim?

I'd like to give the world a bowl of melon soup with mint.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 8:58 AM
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The sweet potato is more closely related to the morning glory than it is to the yam. Some African yams are toxic and require special preparation.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 8:59 AM
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That's going to have to be one big-ass bowl of soup.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 8:59 AM
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I bet you don't know Emerson's pregnant, either.

Of course I do. Are you questioning my virility?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 9:00 AM
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50: yeah, a month or so back....I'm not even really showing yet but my regular clothes are ceasing to fit except for a few pairs of pants that sit at the hips.


Posted by: Katherine | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 9:00 AM
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56: no, regular size. Bastards should learn to share.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 9:00 AM
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58: you know what would be kind of a cool look, is if you bought a bunch of used suits that belonged to really short, fat guys, and did kind of a deconstructed Orson Welles drag kind of thing.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 9:01 AM
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melon soup with mint is great, but I can't imagine it being substantial enough for lunch.

I use my melons for granita, which can also include mint but more frequently lime and rum.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 9:03 AM
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my regular clothes are ceasing to fit

If your body behaves like either of my babymamas', you've got a couple or three months left before you'll have to permanently replace your entire shoe collection.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 9:04 AM
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re: 51

Yeah, I thought the same. Some of the Sartorialist shots are pretty good, but after a while the formula -- both the shooting style and the stuff that catches his eye -- gets really tired.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 9:06 AM
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kind of a deconstructed Orson Welles drag kind of thing

That would be totally, totally professional.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 9:07 AM
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Of the recent pictures at Sartorialist, this woman is pretty wow. And this picture is great.

#61.1. I also had half of a Bahn Mi sandwich.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 9:09 AM
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64: I know, right? Think how off-balance you could get opposing counsel.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 9:12 AM
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tubers

Potato is genus Solanum, which also includes eggplant, tomato, and nightshade. Eggplant cooks like squash, but is pretty much totally unrelated.

ebay is good for reasonably priced clothes (often new, sold by people who buy a little bit wholesale or remnant) IFF you know sizing for a particular brand. So, going somewhere expensive, trying on three brand names to get sizing/ quality gauge, and then clicky-clicky saves money at the cost of some hassle and waiting. Congratulations, Katherine.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 9:13 AM
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Mani does not condone rum drinks, with ot without melon.

Are we talking about the fat man belt-under-the-armpits look? With a cigar and a fedora?


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 9:14 AM
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I'm not a 38E.

Sundresses are the worst because the seam for the cups (empire or whatever) tends to be not only intended to go under the boobs, but usually banded with a cheerful contrasting color that will hit most women with boobage at the nipple line.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 9:14 AM
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(often new, sold by people who buy a little bit wholesale or remnant off the back of a handy truck)


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 9:14 AM
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68: yeah! And a watch chain across the pregnant belly!

You would obviously want it to be a fake cigar, either candy or exploding.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 9:15 AM
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I say again, extra Katherine! woo..


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 9:15 AM
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Eggplants are indigenous to Iran, I think, and I'm confident that Mani would approve. There hasn't been a Manichaean governing authority since about 1300-1400 AD, due to the lack of living Manichaeans.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 9:18 AM
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I wasn't talking about a rum drink, Mani. Just a little alcohol in there to inhibit freezing solid.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 9:21 AM
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If there were a Manichaean governing authority, you would be so condemned, w-lfs-n.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 9:30 AM
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Speaking of Orson Welles, we watched 'The Lady from Shanghai' recently and contra-preconceptions, Rita Hayworth looks great with blonde hair and, also contra-preconceptions, it's rubbish.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 9:30 AM
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Wow. Who knew there were so many things to consider?

I know pretty much nothing about fashion and women's clothes and I'm not sure I really 'get' what the point of the article was but if it was something like 'perfect' doesn't work I will add this personal insight.

As far as faces goes there is a scientific definition of what people consider most attractive. Interestingly enough, though, that 'look' doesn't work very well for leading ladies. In general the 'perfect' look comes across as plastic and phony.

The key to the best leading lady 'look' is to start with perfection and then have one small difference. Julia Robert's horse mouth for example. That small flaw is enough to make the person seem perfect and yet human.

How this applies to fashion I really have no idea.


Posted by: Tripp the Crazed! | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 9:42 AM
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77: dress perfectly in every detail, and then wear Crocs?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 9:45 AM
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51/63: what's wrong with the photograph? (Actually, I think I understand the complaint in 63. but 51 confuses me.)


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 9:46 AM
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79: she doesn't look good, is what's wrong.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 9:49 AM
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You know what she screwed up? Her shoulder bag strap is disastrously long.

First, your bag is going to bang into your thigh as you walk, and how annoying is that, and second, it's going to make your dress bunch and ride up as you walk. Bad news blues.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 9:59 AM
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What doesn't look good about her? She looks good to me.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 10:00 AM
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82: maybe you're looking wrong.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 10:02 AM
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I just don't think the lighting or the pose or the composition of the photograph particularly flatters her.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 10:02 AM
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I definitely agree with 63. The sartorialist seems like he was trained in the narrow school of too-edgy-for-J Crew.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 10:06 AM
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re: 85

Yeah. There's a very specific look he seems to seek out in men and an equally specific look in women.

There are also a lot less of the classic looking dapper old men these days, and a lot more fashion-buyers in trousers 3 inches above their ankle.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 10:09 AM
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katherine,you can buy pants extenders that make ordinary pants into pretty serviceable maternity pants. also, spending $100 on one pair of black, stretchy maternity pants might pay off if you end up wearing them the whole time? and pace the apobabymams, while my feel swelled somewhat, they returned to normal afterwards. and yay babies!!


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 10:14 AM
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You can buy pants extenders that make ordinary pants into pretty serviceable maternity pants.

I.E., old man pants. And wear suspenders, and hook your thumbs in them.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 10:16 AM
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and an equally specific look in women

Right, and this one is something of a departure, which is one reason I liked it so much.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 10:33 AM
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Katherine, I see awesome maternity clothes all the time at the goodwill and salvation army. Park Slope's thrift store are JAMPACKED with really nice stuff (silk suits, organic cotton dresses, linen wraparound shirts) the new mothers chuck out. Sometimes I've been tempted to try them on, just to see if there weren't some way to belt it? tuck it in? cut bits off? But I forbear because my honey has enough to worry about without my bringing home maternity clothes.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 10:58 AM
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BTW, everybody should look at the Unfogged photo section for Nakku's adorable three kids, including one who mugs it up trying to steal the scene from the innocent newborn.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 11:11 AM
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And this picture is great.

Hey, I have that recorder. Never thought of wearing it with my horizontally striped pants, though.


Posted by: mcmc | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 11:58 AM
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I live in the gayest neighborhood in Chicago. There's a great secondhand clothes store nearby--consignment store type selection at Salvation Army prices, great women's clothes as well as men's--but absolutely no maternity stuff.


Posted by: Katherine | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 12:11 PM
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Katherine it's like you aren't even considering my deconstructed fat banker concept.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 12:13 PM
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She wouldn't have to smoke a real cigar. But she could wear a top hat like Liza Minelli in "Cabaret."


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 12:15 PM
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K - Find out where the Junior League Thrift Store is - there's bound to be one (or more) somewhere in Chicagoland. There you will surely find businessy maternitywear - it might be a bit Talbots-ey for your regular life (I dunno) but it should be perfect for office life.

That said, the comment above that one really good pair of maternity pants is probably worth $100 is pretty much right, especially if you're planning on another pregnancy someday. Think of it as buying a garment you will wear 2 or 3 hundred times, plus lend to some dear friend if she times her pregnancy well. Half my wife's pregnancy wardrobe isn't hers, but comes from a couple other friends (augmented by some of their friends), and I can tell you how happy she is that Lawyer Friend K invested in some nice pants.

And congratulations.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 12:19 PM
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Is $100 dollars a lot for a pair of trousers you'll get months of wear out of? Serious question?

Because you 'd be struggling to get a pair of jeans here for that.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 12:27 PM
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It is here. Well, for me.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 12:30 PM
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Huh. My (regular, not maternity) jeans cost around $100, but I never have more than two pair at once, and buy new ones about every two years.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 12:33 PM
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I'm pretty cheap about clothes. And I was originally thinking a skirt rather than tailored pants, which for whatever reason I'm more willing to spend money on. And I won't actually get hundreds of wearings out of these--these will be when I need a suit, during pregnancy, which isn't common. I had figured on getting some free maternity stuff from friends or family but everyone I know has either never been pregnant, is still pregnant, or has had kid 1 but will soon try for kid 2.


Posted by: Katherine | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 12:36 PM
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(also, "you'll wear it so often it's a good investment" doesn't really hold when you figure in dry cleaning.)


Posted by: Katherine | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 12:37 PM
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It took my wife years to get me to spend more than $12 for jeans. I'm up to $25 now. I am convinced that all look totally fabulous on me, because I buy them black instead of blue.

Bonus fact: socks last twice as long if you turn them inside out and wear them again before washing.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 12:41 PM
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it's like you aren't even considering my deconstructed fat banker concept.

Someone should market a line of maternity wear under the name "Violet Beauregarde."

(Seriously, congrats, K!)


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 12:43 PM
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I'm up to $25 now.

That's pretty much my limit too.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 12:44 PM
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Primark jeans -- pretty much the benchmark for super-cheap-but-serviceable here -- are about $40 - $50 a pair.

I am reminded [as in many threads past] that cost of living is very very different.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 12:48 PM
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I tend to buy everything on sale (never fashionable), but even adjusting for that, the most expensive pair of jeans I have cost $60. Shopped too much at K-mart as a kid to ever feel comfortable spending money on clothes.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 12:52 PM
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Levi's run 30-35 dollars here.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 12:53 PM
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re: 107

Yeah, more like 90 - 130 (US) here.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 12:55 PM
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I'm trying to think what the most expensive jeans I've ever bought were (hoping for something ridiculously bourgeois to ride the swipple backlash) but I think, to my chagrin, I've never spent more than $40 or so. I have bought some ridiculous raver pants for like $60 (or more? It was years ago), and I've bought sort-of regular non-work pants for at least that, so I guess I'm partially there.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 12:57 PM
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Yeah, more like 90 - 130 (US) here.

Holy shit! And I stopped wearing Levi's because $35 seemed completely insane to drop on friggin' denim pants.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 12:59 PM
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And I stopped wearing Levi's because $35 seemed completely insane to drop on friggin' denim pants.

I think I've spent $40 on jeans a couple of times. But it hurt.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 1:05 PM
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(also, "you'll wear it so often it's a good investment" doesn't really hold when you figure in dry cleaning.)

Oh, well good lord, I never contemplated dry cleaned garments. Lawyer Friend K (who, I would assume, had comparable suit needs to yours) did not seem to have any dry clean only maternity wear.

My wife's experience, as a professional who had to run public meetings while pregnant, was that a basic pair of black pants worked fine, as long as she had something recognizably dressy/professional for the top.

It's not like (non-asshole) people are judgmental about how a pregnant woman dresses, as long as she's not flashing preggo belly at a judge.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 1:06 PM
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Fancy Levi's run about $60-120 here, and those are the ones that usually end up overseas.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 1:10 PM
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If ever I become pregnant, it's going to be muumuus for nine months.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 1:11 PM
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For years I wore (to work!) a pair of pants I got for $1 at Kaufmann's - super-duper, ultra-reduced. Just a normal pair of simple cargos. They were actually a bit small in the waist, but they looked fine*.

Even my dress linen pants only cost ~$40, I think on sale, at the same store (which is now a Macy's).

* Honest, or AB would've said something


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113: Good point.

114: Feel free, but you know that your belly doesn't grow for the first few months, right?


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Fools, the lot of you. If you're willing to exchange time for money, you can do the Garment District/Buffalo Exchange thing and walk out of the store with twenty dollar pants. My '70s pants look fucking awesome on me, but apparently they hadn't yet discovered the technology to sew the small pocket in the right pocket, so I have nowhere to stick my lighter.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 1:13 PM
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I have nowhere to stick my lighter.

There's always nature's pocket.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 1:15 PM
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After losing like 15 pounds (yay depression!) a couple of years ago, I went out and bought my most expensive ever pair of jeans for maybe $80. The angel on my right shoulder kept protesting, "$80 for one pair of jeans?!" The devil on my left shoulder prevailed with, "Yeah, but holy shit, they actually make you look hot!" I still love those jeans, all the more so because, being low rise, they still fit despite the inevitable return of my squishy tummy.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 1:15 PM
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yay depression!

IME, the most effective fad diet of all.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 1:17 PM
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116.---I think I just want to wear muumuus.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 1:18 PM
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120: geez, I wish. Always found just the opposite to be true.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 1:18 PM
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"Yeah, but holy shit, they actually make you look hot!"

The cut of the more expensive jeans does make you look better. Really, I'd love to go to Garment District and pick up some cheap used jeans, but they're not going to fit me right or look nice enough for the dressy casual look I wear to teach in.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 1:19 PM
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121: well then you damn well should, JM. Why wait? Start now!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 1:19 PM
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100: Actually, how far along are you and what size? I have some maternity stuff still sitting in the closet (nothing terribly stunning -- I was but a starving law student at the time) that I'd be happy to send you. Magi 8 Ball says my chances of needing them again are "not good."


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 1:19 PM
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Blume let's go get me some expensive jeans so I can flaunt my tight little ass. I'm feelin' this.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 1:22 PM
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126; If you flaunt properly, you won't be the only one feeling it!


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 1:23 PM
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Magi 8 Ball says my chances of needing them again are "not good."

Aww, c'mon, Di. There's always drunken hookups and bad judgment! Don't give up on loveMurphy's Law!


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 1:23 PM
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Sifu has a sick onion.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 1:24 PM
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129: ?

I'm currently trawling eBay for my preferred brand and cut in the short length. But I'd happily accompany you to the expensive jeans store, Sifu.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 1:27 PM
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There's always drunken hookups and bad judgment!

Hey, who told you?!


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 1:27 PM
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125: really? 13 weeks and a bit. 8/10/medium on bottom before, small/medium on top, 5'5.


Posted by: Katherine | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 1:28 PM
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130: And a-one and a-two.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 1:29 PM
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Garment District Meetup. Let's strip them fuckers of all their usable pants. We'll put them out of business!


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 1:30 PM
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I love this muumuu, but will my schlumpy cardigans work over those shoulder ruffles?


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 1:30 PM
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Expensive jeans are, unfortunately, kind of awesome. I'm wearing mine today, and they look good and make me feel pretty.


Posted by: Bave Dee | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 1:30 PM
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132: Email me. 2kotimy at gmail.


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re: 110

Most of mine are bought at the GAP, when they have a sale. But that's still more like 25 - 35 quid ($60 US a pair).


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 1:31 PM
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Expensive jeans are, unfortunately, kind of awesome.

I take that line except for the ones that I cannot possibly squeeze my ass and/or thighs into. Those I am totally dismissive of: Scoff! Who would pay that much for jeans?!


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Bave, unfortunately, gets it exactly right. His first sentence, anyway, that is. I'll take his word on the second.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 1:55 PM
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Yeah, more like 90 - 130 (US) here.

Just the other day my friend was telling me that Europeans all go buy jeans as soon as they get to the States, because they're so relatively cheap here. I don't think the price disparity in clothes is quite that stark more generally. Could be wrong.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 06- 6-08 2:02 PM
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I don't think the price disparity in clothes is quite that stark more generally. Could be wrong.

It's hard to do apples-to-apples because there's less truly cheap clothing over there, but I'd say this is generally right. The bulk of clothes go for something like 1.5X as much, but for whatever reason jeans start at 2X.*

Are CDs still weirdly expensive over there? For a shockingly long time, they cost the same in pounds as they did in dollars. An expat friend of my dad's, who's a big music fan, spent practically all his disposable income on CDs while he was stationed here.

* Obvs, the weakening dollar is screwing with this approximation.


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re: 142

I suppose the official full price for CDs is about 15 quid [30 USD] but it's pretty rare you'd pay more than about 10 quid for anything popular. I'd normally expect to pay [in pounds] 8.99 or 9.99 for a heavily promoted new release. However, a new jazz or classical release [not on Naxos] would be 15 quid, definitely.


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Primark jeans -- pretty much the benchmark for super-cheap-but-serviceable here -- are about $40 - $50 a pair.

But you can get much cheaper jeans than that in Tesco, of the same quality, stitched by the same delicate hands of Indian or Vietnamese children.

Who still buys cds these days?


Posted by: Martin Wisse | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 12:43 AM
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Until someone develops a decent download business model, I'm still buying CDs. By 'decent' I mean DRM-free high kbps MP3s or lossless downloads at a price less than CD and with a big catalogue of new releases.

At the moment the pricing isn't that much cheaper than a CD [or, in many cases, the download is as expensive or more] whereas with a CD you get the ability to rip to a decent format, free backup media [the CD itself], the assorted liner notes, etc.

EMusic is pretty good, and I'm a member, but it doesn't cover everything.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 12:51 AM
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Othermusic also sells DRM-free MP3's, and has a really interesting collection, but no, not everything.


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re: 146

Interesting. I did a quick search on about a dozen or more CD I've bought recently, and they had, erm, none of them.

But they do seem to have some interesting-ish stuff.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 4:33 AM
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I rarely pay more that $10-15 for a CD, and if I do it's a rarity of some sort that I must have. Not only that, after I download them I can often sell them for $5 or more. Just, now, buy good luck, I bought a $20 CD right now just as it went out of print; it was listed at $77 on Amazon and I'm offering mine at $49.99. But that's rare.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 5:21 AM
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