Re: Do Filipinos love horses?

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Why do you ask?


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 06- 7-08 2:05 PM
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Not for that reason. Dang.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06- 7-08 2:07 PM
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Maybe you should define your terms, beginning with 'love'.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 06- 7-08 2:08 PM
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Filipinos are a diverse people with a wide range of loves and hates. I think this question is ill-posed.


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 06- 7-08 2:11 PM
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So far, the answer is "no". But that just means we need another anecdotal story to cancel out comment #1.


Posted by: Fatman | Link to this comment | 06- 7-08 2:14 PM
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yahoo q&a like
i thought this thread is going to have no comments
and what i see
i have no idea whether they love horses or not
but i vote they love horses, coz noble animals
i know nobody who hate or dislike horses


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 06- 7-08 2:21 PM
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I'm with read: if there are people who don't love ponies horses, I don't want to know about them.


Posted by: Nápi | Link to this comment | 06- 7-08 2:22 PM
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6: Yeah, maybe AskMetafilter would be a better place for this thread?


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 06- 7-08 2:24 PM
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Seriously, I have no idea, but for a starter, the FAO has statistics of horse populations by country. The figures look very seat-of-the pants, but plugging them in, I get 1 horse for every 378 Filipinos, compared to 31 Americans, and 1.45 Mongolians. That holds with my initial guess that horses aren't as useful in the Philippines as in other climes. But they could still be romanticized, who knows.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 06- 7-08 2:25 PM
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As most of us know, Mongolia has more horses per capita than any country in the world. Only the Unfoggetariat knows that Iceland comes second. (This explains Bjork).

Furthermore, the Icelandic horse, like Shetland ponies and some Norwegian breeds, is rather closely related to the Mongol horse -- small, strudy, and hardy, often with a stiff mane.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 06- 7-08 2:32 PM
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Do Filipinos love mythical horse-human hybrids? Again, what do we mean by 'love'?


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 06- 7-08 2:32 PM
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1.45
i rode a horse two times in my life, the first time i rode and went like 10-12 km into the forest and it was ok, so i'm a natural horse rider according to my dad
Tolin Hul
an example how we romantisize horses
there is a story in this clip, i wonder whether you'll get what is it about


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 06- 7-08 2:38 PM
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I am Filipino American, and I don't love horses.

I do love SpanishPod, though.


Posted by: jp 吉平 | Link to this comment | 06- 7-08 2:43 PM
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Poppyseed strudy horses are the best.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06- 7-08 2:44 PM
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Nothing like a little research on a hot Saturday afternoon.

The Philippine horse is used for riding and light hauling. No heavy work in the field or on the road is performed by it; cattle and carabaos are used instead. In mountainous regions horses are often utilized as pack animals.

Economic Conditions in the Philippines, Hugo Herman Miller, 1920.

Suggests horses might have been more thoroughly supplanted in the Philippines by the car than in other countries.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 06- 7-08 2:45 PM
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Read, can you post the links to the Russian Winnie-the-Pooh cartoons again please?


Posted by: Fatman | Link to this comment | 06- 7-08 2:46 PM
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Russian Winnie
episode 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY4A-RuuXlE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyNaIFkucBc
episode 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8riO-p17SY8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hw6Tmwd2kE
episode 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoG3KsjO55k&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wfPICiIHW4&feature=related


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 06- 7-08 2:56 PM
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Ah..."Vini Pukh"!


Posted by: Fatman | Link to this comment | 06- 7-08 2:58 PM
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Careful read, Fatman might be a Corporate IP Terrorist from Disney.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06- 7-08 3:03 PM
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When my son was young we bought a bunch of Soviet-bloc Children's stories (translated into English) for him. I thought that both the art and the stories were among the best, and one story ("The Wheaten Loaf") actually had a sort of chilling message. (A loaf of bread escapes from the bakery, rolls out to the wheat field, and say to the sprouting winter wheat under the snow "I want all you wheat sprouts to Know this well: you all will be made into wheaten loaves".


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 06- 7-08 3:07 PM
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you all will be made into wheaten loaves

This is understood to be a bad thing? To become a wheaten loaf with the powers of locomotion and speech?


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 06- 7-08 3:09 PM
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The loaf doesn't say "you will be made into wheaten loaves with the powers of locomotion and speech", and anyway, if the loaf thinks that his message to the wheat will be understood, we have to assume that the wheat in the field already has the power of speech anyway.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06- 7-08 3:12 PM
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Anyway.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06- 7-08 3:13 PM
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Maybe it's the loaf-shape that the animated wheat stalks would find chilling.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06- 7-08 3:15 PM
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pity that there are no guesses on the story with the horse clip
so there was a very fast horse whose rightful owner was a girl who got married against her will by arranged marriage to the local landlord who fixed the horse race, a very important event, and made a deal with another man, a manchu official, to sell the horse
the scary looking guys are the free fighters 'sain er', kinda like Robin Hoods of the steppe, they revolted against the manchu rule
so the guy, he was a former fiancee of the girl and he robs the manchu officials and returns the horse to the woman
but they can't be together b/c she already married another man
pitiful, it's like Larina to Onegin said 'no ya drugomy otdana i budu vek emu verna', but this time like the man refuses to take her back, and she's a widow now, so cruel! well, olden times


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 06- 7-08 3:19 PM
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I think that he also realizes that he will be eaten. However, it may be that the official Communist dogma, as presented here by AWB, w-lfs-n, and Heebie, was that being made into a wheaten loaf is a good thing, and that he was reassuring the sprouts of wheat that they were not doomed to be wheat forever, but could become wonderful wheaten loaves like himself. Perhaps I was just projecting my bad attitude on a benign text.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 06- 7-08 3:28 PM
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and one story ("The Wheaten Loaf") actually had a sort of chilling message

There are similar stories in English and Irish balladry. I know one song about how the barley grain must die, and it's told from the perspective of the barley grain that/who is being reaped and threshed and ground up and finally brewed into rye, which makes it weirdly unsettling.


Posted by: Mary Catherine | Link to this comment | 06- 7-08 3:29 PM
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Irish & Texan, but I don't like horses.

In my immediate neighborhood there at least five horsey places...I don't know what they are, five-ten acres with water & the critters standing and chomping. Walking the dogs in countryish enclaves, I see horses all the time. Most Texans like horses. Now that the cattle bidness is gone from DFW, driving north of town toward the OK border (if you get off the freeways) there is just mile after mile of horsey places. Pretty at a distance I suppose. Very great distance.

I like Filipinos better than horses.

Sometimes the trolling is a great responsibility.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 06- 7-08 3:33 PM
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if there are people who don't love ponies horses, I don't want to know about them.

A movie for Nápi.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 06- 7-08 3:37 PM
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John Barleycorn must die!

Emerson, I wasn't trying to push a friendly interpretation onto your grim story.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06- 7-08 3:38 PM
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You are all Communists.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 06- 7-08 3:48 PM
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Down the road is a Democratic liberal militant schoolteacher with a large, luxurious pasture, 10 horses, and a sort of trailer park house. See, Wobegon values are superior.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 06- 7-08 3:50 PM
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Wasn't the metamorphosis of grain, possibly as a metaphor for human rebirth, a theme in the Mithraic mysteries? (Admittedly, my only source here is Vidal's Julian.)


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 06- 7-08 4:00 PM
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30: But little Sir John and the nut brown bowl
Proved the strongest man at last.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06- 7-08 4:09 PM
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29 -- Funny you should mention that: Emerson's not the only one here with questionable 17th century ancestors. A relative of mine was convicted in 1681 for taking liberties with a certain mare. There's a whole lot of story there, and I'll write it up tonight somewhere else on the internet.


Posted by: Nápi | Link to this comment | 06- 7-08 5:05 PM
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Hippies. They love hippies. And hipsters. All things hip-oriented.


Posted by: Amit | Link to this comment | 06- 7-08 5:30 PM
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Bestiality seemed to be a problem with the Puritans. They hanged the horse, too, and a specially made equine gallows.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 06- 7-08 5:38 PM
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Bestiality seemed to be a problem with the Puritans.

Was this a problem with your family, John?


Posted by: Mary Catherine | Link to this comment | 06- 7-08 6:36 PM
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Only Puritans think it's a problem any more, MC. And fanatical Catholics, of course.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 06- 7-08 7:12 PM
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A couple of my ancestors were involved in manslaughter cases (well, okay, I guess you could call them murder cases, since the Crown sought a murder conviction but the jury returned a verdict of manslaughter ... brother-in-law against brother-in-law violence: is there an older story in the book?). But never with bestiality, of course. We're decent people.


Posted by: Mary Catherine | Link to this comment | 06- 7-08 7:24 PM
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If bestiality were involved it wouldn't technically be manslaughter.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 7-08 7:31 PM
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brother-in-law against brother-in-law violence: is there an older story in the book?

Revolt in heaven?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06- 7-08 7:32 PM
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If bestiality were involved it wouldn't technically be manslaughter.

I can think of way it could.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 06- 7-08 7:57 PM
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40: Earlier story...from going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 06- 7-08 8:15 PM
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I can think of way it could.

Yeah, well, you're not decent people, Apo.


Posted by: Mary Catherine | Link to this comment | 06- 7-08 8:16 PM
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Well there is harlot seduces wild man, leading to regret.

Shamhat meets Enkidu at the watering-hole where all the wild animals gather; she offers herself to him and he submits, instantly losing his strength and wildness, but he gains understanding and knowledge. He laments for his lost state ...


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06- 7-08 8:49 PM
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Done. It was the last bestiality case in the Plymouth courts, and the conviction was for the "presumtuous" attempt, not a consumated buggery. Didn't give him the death penalty, since it was only an attempt, but he got branded on the forehead, had to sit on the gallows with a rope around his neck, and was then banished. It's thought that he removed to New York City . . .


Posted by: Nápi | Link to this comment | 06- 7-08 10:09 PM
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"the detestable sin of buggery!' Love it.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 06- 7-08 10:31 PM
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I was sad that I was a horse fucker, until I met the impotent horse fucker.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06- 7-08 10:31 PM
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If anyone (1) cares to clarify the point of the question and (2) wants a serious/historical answer, I will venture to provide one. The short version has already been provided above - there are not many horses in the Philippines, so there's not much of a "cowboy culture" except in the province of Bukidnon. (Details upon request.) Therefore most Filipinos don't love (or hate) horses, I believe.


Posted by: dr ngo | Link to this comment | 06- 8-08 12:46 AM
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50: The point of the question is that ben knows that "Phillip" means "Horselover" and would like us all to know that he knows.


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 06- 8-08 12:58 AM
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Love it.

A pretty common sentiment amongst you kids, I must say.


Posted by: Nápi | Link to this comment | 06- 8-08 5:30 AM
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a sort of trailer park house

An odd circumlocution for "trailer."


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 06- 8-08 8:16 AM
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There are lots of subtle differences. It was not an actual trailer, but a prefab home built like a trailer, movable by truck. We have to target our stereotypes acurately.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 06- 8-08 8:33 AM
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Prince Rogers Nelson just turned 50.

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Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 06- 8-08 9:43 AM
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54: My in-laws' home farm is like that. Lots of little trailerish prefab homes, built onto foundations, sitting on property worth probably a million dollars.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 06- 8-08 9:46 AM
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Yeah, my dad's mom has a huge piece of property on a big gorgeous lake in Oklahoma, with a little waterfront for launching boats, and a forest, and even quite a bit of cleared area. There's a big old ugly tin garage, one trailer, and two trailer-style prefab homes on it, and it sits in a really unpleasant trailer park full of mean druggies with huge angry dogs. When I was little, I thought they were like rich or something, with that lake and land, but my mom was always too snobby to enjoy staying in a trailer park. My little brain nearly exploded trying to figure out whether they were really poor or really rich.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 06- 8-08 9:56 AM
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54: "Mobile home" is the quite common term for what you describe unless I am missing something. I like what seems to be the British term, "static caravan". And apparently Mike Huckabee and his family stayed in a triple-wide on the state capitol grounds while the governor's mansion was being renovated.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06- 8-08 10:01 AM
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"Manufactured housing," people.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 06- 8-08 11:19 AM
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As opposed to self-assembling housing?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06- 8-08 11:47 AM
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My little brain nearly exploded trying to figure out whether they were really poor or really rich.

People have devoted their lives to arguing one side or another of that question.

My sociopath brother-in-law's family is sort of like that, trashy landowners. By no means do I mean to imply that AWB's relatives were sociopathic. Even though their evil son lived goddamn close to Oklahoma.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 06- 8-08 11:52 AM
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51: Thanks. Serves me right for assuming "serious" meant "serious." O you kidders!


Posted by: dr ngo | Link to this comment | 06- 8-08 11:34 PM
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There are lots of subtle differences. It was not an actual trailer, but a prefab home built like a trailer, movable by truck. We have to target our stereotypes acurately.

Commonly half of the assembled home, recognised by the pitched roof slanted in one direction seen while being moved. Two together make a home twice as large as a true mobile home and with a very much less narrow and more efficient layout. Often decent and comfortable.


Posted by: I don't pay | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 5:53 AM
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People! The term is "double-wide".


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 8:32 PM
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The term is "double-wide".

Yes, that's right. I can forget the name while retaining a good sense of the thing. And the name describes why they are so much more comfortable than singles.


Posted by: I don't pay | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 8:43 PM
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