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They spot Al Gore a few minutes later.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 11:12 AM
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Apologist.

Steve Jobs is looking kinda frail.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 11:14 AM
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So do you feel like a huge tool every time you refresh a liveblog of a fucking developers conference keynote? Because I sure do.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 11:15 AM
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You should feel like a tool, because it refreshes itself.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 11:16 AM
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4: not nearly often enough.

So who's psyched for Enterprise security?!?@!#


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 11:18 AM
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Sorry to step on this, Ogged; I saw the meet-up thread on top and didn't know it had been future-dated to stay fresher longer.


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 11:18 AM
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Jobs is rolling a video of their enterprise customers trying out the iPhone's enterprise features. Disney, the Army, and various other companies' IT teams are talking about how many people they've got on the iPhone, how many apps they made, blah blah blah. You don't really care about this.

An obvious lie.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 11:18 AM
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Enterprise support like WPA Enterprise (WPA-EAP)? That would make many IT people I know very happy.


Posted by: Nathan Williams | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 11:20 AM
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I have no idea why I'm looking at this as I'm not going to buy one.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 11:21 AM
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9: and so it begins. Let's liveblog Cala's akrasia, shall we?


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 11:22 AM
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Engadget's liveblog is a bit more detailed.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 11:24 AM
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3: Try reading ogged's post about the post-liberal regime free of dangerous marketization and imagine that its author is doing the same thing.


Posted by: destroyer | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 11:25 AM
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8: the summaries have not related, but it wouldn't surprise me. Engadget's quote:

"Exchange... as you know, we've done it... push email, calendars, contacts, auto-discovery, global address lookup, remote wipe, all this stuff built in. In addition we've worked with Cisco to build in their VPN services... all sorts of security demanded by the enterprise. Everything they told us they wanted, we built in."


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 11:25 AM
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No one wants to talk about Jobs' health?


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 11:27 AM
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Has Jobs been sick? He's way too skinny. (obligatory: I like my computer moguls with a little meat on their bones)


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 11:27 AM
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15 posted before I saw 14!


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 11:27 AM
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15: He had/has pancreatic adenoma.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 11:28 AM
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Plus he lives on Tab and adrenaline.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 11:29 AM
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He had/has pancreatic adenoma

Right! Which is why this is worrisome!


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 11:30 AM
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SUPER MONKEY BALL!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 11:33 AM
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20: They can usually take care of that with antibiotics, though.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 11:34 AM
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19: I think iPhone update addresses that concern. I don't quite understand it, but it's some sort of network application. Every new phone purchased makes Jobs a little healthier.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 11:36 AM
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We're all marching toward our inevitable deaths, ogged. Why should Steve Jobs be any different?


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 11:36 AM
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Pancreatic cancer? Fuuuck.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 11:39 AM
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23: Hey, dude, this isn't a Catholic site. MC may be interested in that medieval shit.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 11:40 AM
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Pancreatic cancer? Fuuuck.

Years ago. He was ok, but now he's so thin!


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 11:42 AM
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I'll take this opportunity to remind you all that Steve Jobs, John Emerson and I are all members of the elite fraternity of Reed dropouts. I hasten to add that of the three, I stuck it out the longest, because Jobs and Emerson are pussies.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 11:44 AM
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5: me


Posted by: mike d | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 11:46 AM
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Without S/am D/anon Jesus would not have been able to stay at Reed. I was too proud for that, and S/am was not attracted to Jobs.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 11:46 AM
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I just learned about Jobs' cancer the other day while reading about Patrick Swayze's cancer. Who says the Arts section isn't full of important news?


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 11:47 AM
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So we're going to start taking note of and discussing the health of famous people who none of us are even remotely acquainted with? Is this what becoming middle aged requires?


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 11:49 AM
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Pancreatic cancer is often associated with tobacco use. That's what my father died of. A very unpleasant way to go, though new pain killers make it more endurable than it was 30 years ago.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 11:50 AM
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31: speak for yourself, oldster.


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 11:51 AM
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33: Hey, it wasn't *my* idea to worry about Steve Jobs.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 11:53 AM
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Linda Ronstadt. How's she doing? Art Garfunkle?

Conway Twitty is just plain dead.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 11:55 AM
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I hear Walter Cronkite is alive.


Posted by: Ardent reader | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 11:55 AM
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So we're going to start taking note of and discussing the health of famous people who none of us are even remotely acquainted with? Is this what becoming middle aged requires?

Next up on Unfogged:

Constipation!

Bad knees!

Why won't my kids ever call me!??!?!??!


Posted by: Will | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 11:56 AM
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I've been having random knee pains for the past year. Constipation is not a problem.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 11:59 AM
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Knee pain sucks. In other whiny news, I broke my ankle this spring, and now, two months after the cast came off, it's still stiff and irritating.


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 12:02 PM
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The Unfogged of the near future will be dominated by rheumatism and memory loss threads.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 12:02 PM
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I'm in denial about the emerging discolorations from sun damage on my skin but OTHER THAN THAT I'm JUST FINE thankyouverymuch.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 12:02 PM
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Obviously, your kids are calling you, but you're too busy commenting via your iPhone.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 12:02 PM
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There's a scene in the Daphne Zuniga (I know!) documentary about TED in which she's interviewing this woman about coffee and RIGHT THERE RIGHT BEHIND HER IS AL GORE POURING SUGAR AND CREAM INTO A CUP OF COFFEE! FOR LIKE THREE MINUTES!

Alright, the shouting might not be altogether necessary, but it's really unnerving. (There's also a great scene of Gore heckling Tony Robbins.)


Posted by: SEK | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 12:04 PM
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My kids will know better than to call me.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 12:04 PM
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How the hell does a grown man break an ankle, Labs?


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 12:04 PM
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45: Kicking ass, B.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 12:06 PM
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42: Man, I call home and PK will talk to me for a couple minutes before he asks if he can go back to his video game, please.

He's better than my husband, though. Yesterday I called at almost noon his time and woke him up. "Should I let you go back to sleep?" I asked, politely. His response: "do you have anything important to say? Then yes."


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 12:07 PM
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46: Kicking ass is a bad idea if you don't have enough calcium in your diet to prevent your bones shattering.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 12:09 PM
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46: It's really not kicking ass if you have to hobble away.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 12:09 PM
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48, 49: True, true.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 12:10 PM
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Gah, wrong link. Should be to here


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 12:11 PM
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Actually this might be a good line of anti-McCain attack ads.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 12:11 PM
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Actually, link should be to 19 in this thread.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 12:12 PM
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I thought that link was going to go here.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 12:13 PM
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54: so funny, so wrong. I love the yell at the end.


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 12:14 PM
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54: Part of your anti-McCain oppo research?


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 12:17 PM
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Damn, that guy in the shorts-- his footwork sucks.


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 12:18 PM
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hate to go all on-topic at this late date (> 50 comments), but "MobileMe" ??? wtf??


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 12:18 PM
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38: Constipation is not a problem.

Well be sure to keep us in the loop.
iPhone: it goes where you go.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 12:20 PM
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59: ...even if you don't go when you go there.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 12:22 PM
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In addition we've worked with Cisco to build in their VPN services... all sorts of security demanded by the enterprise.

This does not excite me. Yes, yes, the Cisco VPN client is super-easy for users. Guess what? It's a pain in the ass for the admins of whatever Cisco devices are being used to terminate the tunnels for reasons I won't launch into here. Suffice to say, a lot is going to ride on what version of the Cisco client this iPhone version is most like in what phase 1 proposals it spews out upon connecting. For a company that manages their own VPN in a fairly small or at least uniform environment, great, whatever, no big deal. For a managed security provider with clients on a variety of versions of PIX/ASA/3K/whatever code, it's going to be a tremendous headache. I've already pissed off one customer this year by refusing to support tunneling of IPSEC over L2TP (?!) using a jail-broken iPhone trying to connect to a PIX and I do not look forward to having to piss off a lot more of them in the near future.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 12:24 PM
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Well be sure to keep us in the loop.

8:00 am: Coffee, check. Cigarette, check. Okay, time to update Unfogged.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 12:24 PM
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Constipation is not a problem.

Ask the man who has one.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 12:27 PM
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Speaking of, I've had a few cigarettes with the boyfriend. Will I be able to stop having them again when I get home? Don't change that dial...


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 12:27 PM
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Linda Ronstadt was recently a Wait, Wait Don't Tell Me guest.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 12:28 PM
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I've had a few cigarettes with the boyfriend.

You probably don't want to hear this B, but that's the worst thing you can do at this point.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 12:28 PM
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66 cont. erm, assuming the goal is not smoking, natch.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 12:29 PM
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that's the worst thing you can do at this point

soup biscuit has no imagination. Stabbing your boyfriend in the face would be worse.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 12:30 PM
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too slow, apo, i fixed it already.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 12:30 PM
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Don't make me stab you in the face.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 12:32 PM
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As long as no one gets raped in the face we'll be ok.


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 12:32 PM
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70: If I have to get up off this toilet and come all the way over there ...


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 12:33 PM
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66: I'm putting my faith in knowing that PK will have all his illusions shattered if he catches me with a cigarette.

(I've already made the boyfriend feel terribly guilty for being a Bad Influence, alas.)


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 12:33 PM
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That's not very imaginative, Apo.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 12:33 PM
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PK will have all his illusions shattered

That's going to happen regardless. May as well get it over with early.

That's not very imaginative, Apo.

stabstabstabstab.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 12:34 PM
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hate to go all on-topic at this late date (> 50 comments), but "MobileMe" ??? wtf??

The name or the concept? Because I'm kind of sort of lusting after it.


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 12:35 PM
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76: The name. The concept is pretty much the obvious fixes to .mac, so that's good they've (finally) got around to that. .mac wasn't very good.

colleague tells me new 3g phone announced, as expected.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 12:39 PM
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The good news about turning 50 is you qualify for the "aging" studies like Testosterone replacement, yay!

The bad news is first they block your existing testosterone and replace it with something less. WTF? If I wanted to be older I'd wait around for it. I wanted my existing testosterone plus more baybee!

The good news about turning 51 is now my shotput drops from 16 to 13.3 pounds and the discus from 2K to 1.5K.

Now that's a change I look forward to.


Posted by: Tripp | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 12:39 PM
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75.1: I can accept shattering some illusions. The illusion that Mama keeps her promises, not so much.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 12:40 PM
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my shotput drops from 16 to 13.3 pounds

If you know what I mean.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 12:40 PM
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79: yeah. ouch.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 12:41 PM
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81: See? Not. Gonna. Do. It.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 12:45 PM
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Next up on Unfogged:

Constipation!

Bad knees!

Why won't my kids ever call me!??!?!??!

My knee has been dislocating itself (just a little) for the past week, and I couldn't get ahold of Rory all weekend. Can I have a mid-life crisis now?


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 12:45 PM
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that's the worst thing you can do at this point.

Eh. What's done is done. A slip is not fatal. You'll jump back on the wagon and be fine.

BUT -- just last week I slipped and had a couple and it turns out the following morning I was crankier than hell. So, just make sure you have the nicotine out of the system before you get home -- nothing shittier than combining nicotine withdrawal with guilt at taking the withdrawal out on your bright-faced little ray of sunshine.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 12:51 PM
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My knee has been dislocating itself (just a little) for the past week, and I couldn't get ahold of Rory all weekend

Kids rely on their low center of gravity for superior cornering.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 12:53 PM
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i endorse TS-1 for gastric and pancreatic cancers
i wonder if Steve Jobs knows about the drug
my prof brings it to our acquaintance coz it's not approved here by FDA yet


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 12:55 PM
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Eh. What's done is done. A slip is not fatal. You'll jump back on the wagon and be fine.

Oh, I didn't mean the sky was falling in. But slips like that are the main reason people fail to actually quit, afaics. B will be all right, she's motivated.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 12:57 PM
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i endorse TS-1 for gastric and pancreatic cancers

I endorse smoking for lung cancers.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 12:57 PM
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i wonder if Steve Jobs knows about the drug

I suspect the odds of Steve Jobs getting anything less than absolutely top notch oncology treatment and advice are pretty long.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 12:58 PM
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Aww, thanks for your faith, people.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 1:03 PM
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I endorse smoking for lung cancers

TS-1


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 1:12 PM
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God, must you people soft-peddle the bad news? B is an adult, she can take it. B, not only is the sky falling in, you'll be shooting smack into your eyeballs by next Wednesday. Better tell PK now.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 1:28 PM
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Crazy monkey sex is a gateway drug, you know.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 1:29 PM
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Speaking of which, Emerson, is there going to be a meetup while I'm here or not?


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 1:47 PM
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The important thing, B, is to start the mental narrative about how those few cigarrettes weren't so great, made you feel a little dizzy and pukey and were all around meh. Insist on this mental narrative, truth value be damned. If you can do that, I think you are just fine.


Posted by: Sybil Vane | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 1:51 PM
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I got lazy and broke, so probably not.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 1:54 PM
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Valleywag blames Jobs' thinness either on illness, or his wife.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 2:47 PM
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restrictive diet may be good for pancreas
at least during the acute pancreatitis fasting is prescribed


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 2:52 PM
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-the


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I suspect the odds of Steve Jobs getting anything less than absolutely top notch oncology treatment and advice are pretty long.

Getting? Sure. Taking? Different story.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 2:55 PM
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95: Bizarrely, that narrative is in fact true. Which makes it utterly bizarre that I continue to have a cigarette or two or three a day. The only explanation is that it's for much the same reason that I always adopted my boyfriends's rancid musical tastes when I was in college.


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my boyfriends's rancid

The Strunk and White s's! I don't see that much anymore.


Posted by: I don't pay | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 6:45 PM
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I predict Jobs has Ebola.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 9-08 8:19 PM
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Watch for bleeding from the eyes and ears. Easy symptoms to miss, if you're not clued in to Ebola.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 06-10-08 8:09 AM
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I don't see that much anymore.

With good reason, I might add.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 06-10-08 8:10 AM
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