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musk-eteers

Awesome.

And 1!


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 11:36 AM
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But Stanley, you're sweet and distinctive already!


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 11:39 AM
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2: Have you been smelling my neck, ben?


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 11:40 AM
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I like perfume on men -- obvious caveats assumed. But CA wouldn't wear it on a bet.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 11:41 AM
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Not precisely your neck, no.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 11:42 AM
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Stanley is a sekrit South American playboy!


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 11:44 AM
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6: eekbeat has informed me she thinks I secretly wish to be Latino.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 11:46 AM
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Stanley.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 11:46 AM
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Stanley is a sekrit South American playboy! narco.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 11:46 AM
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eekbeat has informed me she thinks I secretly wish to be Latino Iranian.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 11:48 AM
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7: Thank god it's not true, or the world would implode with hotness.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 11:48 AM
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The father of a boy I used to babysit for used to collect me, and all the way to their house I would sit in the car sniffing, because he smelt great. One night I gave in to temptation and went and looked around in their bedroom/bathroom until I found what the smell was.


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 12:07 PM
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The father was lucky to escape from his predatory, insatiable babysitter.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 12:11 PM
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One night I gave in to temptation and went and looked around in their bedroom/bathroom until I found what the smell was.

And...?!


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 12:15 PM
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12: Well? What was it?


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 12:15 PM
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Watch, it was hedgehog annointment or something nasty like that. Emerson'll swoon.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 12:17 PM
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15: Barbecue sauce.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 12:17 PM
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I like perfume on men -- obvious caveats assumed.

Same here. The caveats are crucial, though. Not only does the scent need to be excellent, not obvious (I mean aesthetically, though in amount as well), and suit the person's chemistry and personality, I think most men are not well served by scents with substantial sillage. Scents that stay close to the body are best for most, I think. This sounds like a point against the D&G stuff in question, if Stanley could smell it from that far away -- but maybe it was just over-applied.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 12:22 PM
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Muskrat (Ondatra zibethicus), a rodent native to North America, has been known since the 17th century to secrete a glandular substance with a musky odor.[3] A chemical means of extracting it was discovered in the 1940s, but it did not prove commercially worthwhile.[3]

Glandular substances with musk-like odor are also obtained from the Musk Duck (Biziura lobata) of southern Australia, the musk shrew, the musk beetle (Aromia moschata), the musk turtle, the alligator of Central America, and from several other animals.

In crocodiles, there are two pairs of musk glands, one pair situated at the corner of the jaw and the other pair in the cloaca.[7] Musk glands are also found in snakes.

To my knowledge no one has ever tried to make a perfume from canine scent glands, probably because no one wants to be humped by a Great Dane.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 12:23 PM
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Almost no one, and let's not talk about it.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 12:24 PM
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I'll support Stanley's wearing cologne if he shoots an Obsession-like video.

Oy, they just get worse and worse. And
worse.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 12:31 PM
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Damn you, Kraab.

21: The avant-garde stuff of my youth became a mainstream commercial cliche within 3 decades. I'm thinking of the Jovovich.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 12:32 PM
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Poor old Netherlands fans. I am the curse of EuroCup '08 -- seriously, the kiss of death -- and I am pulling for them over Russia. Everyone keeps begging me to root for Germany, but I just can't give away my favors.
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Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 12:48 PM
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The Turks must win the genocide round.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 12:50 PM
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24: They've passed already, I think.

(Is drinking a Hoegaarden Dutch enough, yet?)


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 1:05 PM
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21 Weren't you denouncing pornorific sexual objectification yesterday?


Posted by: tkm | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 1:10 PM
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Everyone loves hilariously ridiculous poseur porn.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 1:15 PM
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24: They've passed already, I think.

Not yet. They beat Croatia in the remnants of empires destroyed in World War I round.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 1:16 PM
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an Obsession-like video.

The ad copy for the D&G stuff is hilariously bad, too:

A man's perfume must be a masculine sign.
A sign so important for a man who bares his soul to a woman.
A sign of personality. A sign that is more important than all the others that are apparently more perceptible.

Even more examples at the link.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 1:21 PM
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On D&G's design:

The austere, classic silver cap with rounded transparent bottle is made to be grasped tightly in a man's fist
Not for attracting attention but for being oneself

Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 1:22 PM
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Presumably that cologne has identifiable notes, top or otherwise, that you might be able to find elsewhere, in an essential oil or a candle or something, which would permit you to enjoy the aspects of the scent that were memorable to you without lapsing into the personal hygiene of a panderer.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 1:22 PM
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I like men's perfume. I bought Serge Lutens Gris Clair for the boyfriend a while ago. I didn't think he'd wear it, but he does sometimes; it smells quite nice on him.

All perfume ad copy is awful. But you should get the D&G if it makes you happy.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 1:27 PM
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As to men's perfume, I have to send you all back here, don't I?

Click on "les parfums," then "la collection," and then "Sécrétions Magnifiques." There's an English version in there too, if you need it. Really, their perfume descriptions win.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 1:29 PM
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32: Nearly all the Serge Lutens line is lovely. Both Foxytail and I sometimes wear Douce Amere.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 1:30 PM
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Korean Air is, surprisingly, not a perfume.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 1:31 PM
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Per my prediction, Russia has clearly outplayed the Netherlands as we approach the half, although it is still nil-nil.
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Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 1:35 PM
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You know, you can just say "odiferous".


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 1:35 PM
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37: I did know that, ben, but I figured you of all people would delight in my deployment of the long form.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 1:38 PM
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Per my prediction, Russia has clearly outplayed the Netherlands as we approach the half, although it is still nil-nil.

Really? I was told to expect the Netherlands to dominate.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 1:38 PM
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I always delight in your long form, Stanley.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 1:39 PM
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39: Read my comment (23), n00b. Any team I root for loses. I am rooting for the Dutch, and even though yes indeed they ought to have dominated, they assuredly did not.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 1:40 PM
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The Netherlands, like Spain, have a history of not meeting expectations in tournaments.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 1:41 PM
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Although wikipedia tells me they won in 1988.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 1:44 PM
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Russia scores!


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 2:01 PM
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Apropos, Netherlands is stinking up the joint.

Good to see a quarterfinal European game on broadcast TV in the US.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 2:21 PM
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Oraaaaanje!!!


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 2:31 PM
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Maybe this will go to over bonus question injury stoppage extra time.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 2:32 PM
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46: Yep. Nistelrooy equalizes. Is my curse lifted?


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 2:33 PM
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well, now i'll root for Russia


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 2:33 PM
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I like a lot of Jo Malone's on men. Her Amber and Lavender is nice though a somewhat safe choice for a guy.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 2:35 PM
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I've been sniggering about one of the Russians being called Jerkoff.

As for the scent I followed - I've an idea it was called Sand. But I can't remember who it was by. This was over 2 decades ago!


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 2:38 PM
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To my knowledge no one has ever tried to make a perfume from canine scent glands, probably because no one only 60% or so want to be humped by a Great Dane.


Posted by: Hamilton-Lovecraft | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 2:52 PM
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52: That low? There are plenty of Danes to be considered for the position of humper.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 2:58 PM
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Victor Borge, baby!


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 3:00 PM
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53: Jimmy Olsen was supposed to be Danish?


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 3:02 PM
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great


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 3:06 PM
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Nice that they list some twerp I've never heard of as a "Christian philosopher" but just call Kierkegaard a "philosopher". Søren can't catch a break!


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 3:07 PM
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And . . . Torbinski! My curse is holding.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 3:08 PM
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And . . . Arshavin! I am poison!


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 3:10 PM
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Oudemia, it's good thing for you that the US doesn't send people to the Hague.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 3:16 PM
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Oh, man. Spain is so fucked, people.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 3:20 PM
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I'll give you a ten cents to root for Turkey on wednesday, oudemia: a shiny nickel now, and another when success has been demonstrated.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 3:21 PM
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Sigh, Ben. It won't work. My love cannot be feigned.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 3:26 PM
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Well, whom do you love?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 3:29 PM
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oudemia: might your powers extend beyond the realm of sports? Perhaps you could fall in love with ben and ruin his academic career.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 3:29 PM
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64: Well, France, and man, did they stink up the place. Then Porto. Oops. So, now I have no favorites left, but dislike Italy and would like for Spain to beat them. And I dislike Germany, and would like for Turkiye to beat them. So Ben, you will get your wish without having to pay.

65: I was going to say that I already have doomed Ben with my love, but now I realize that he wants Germany to win. So, he's safe.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 3:36 PM
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Guus Hiddink is brilliant. There isn't a better manager in football, and that includes SAF. Best tournament EVAR.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 3:38 PM
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I only want Germany to win because I expect to be seeing the game with Germans and want to see their reactions.

There's still hope for us, is what I'm saying.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 3:39 PM
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I just don't think we can make it work, Ben. We're in different Fan Zones.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 3:44 PM
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Sigh. Disappointed by someone new, at least.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 3:46 PM
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There's always World Cup '10. You'll just have to arrange to be watching it with the French.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 3:48 PM
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Ben, explain to your German friends that they're in the genocide bracket. Unfortunatley the Serbs and the Tutsis didn't qualify this year.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 3:56 PM
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I think I'm now a Russia partisan, but I think Spain will get trounced by Italy (Puyol is older than chocolate chip cookies) and Italy will beat Russia 2-0, both from set pieces. Then, Germany 1 - 1 Italy (3-4 on penalty kicks).


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 3:57 PM
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I finally gave in on wearing cologne, but try to preserve a few shreds of country boy dignity by referring to it as "stinkum." It's not so bad, really.


Posted by: Not Prince Hamlet | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 3:58 PM
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i'll root for Turkey i suppose, but if Wednesday probably i'll miss the game, so there'll be no my interference in whatever'll happen then


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 4:00 PM
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74: What brand, NPH?


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 4:00 PM
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You fuckers are making me want cable tv.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 4:27 PM
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I don't even have a TV.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 4:43 PM
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77: Are you talking about the soccer, B? The game was on ABC.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 4:43 PM
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Yeah, but our reception sucks ass.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 4:45 PM
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Yay!! Booked my trip to San Fran! Bringing the munchkin with, so if there are must not miss attractions for the tween set I hereby solicit recommendations. I was younger than Rory last time I was in San Francisco. So excited!
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Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 5:00 PM
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must not miss attractions for the tween set

Exploratorium. Make reservations at the touch center or whatever it's called. I am not even kidding.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 5:03 PM
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Also, Ben directed me to the pirate store, which is right next door to a completely awesome natural history store, and is within easy walking distance of this place. Get breakfast, then wander over for a couple hours of poking around in cool stores. Completely awesome, even if Rory's the eyeball-rolling sort.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 5:07 PM
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Isn't there a homo recruitment and training tour for tweens?


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 5:07 PM
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Holy shit, just checked out the Exploratorium website. No, you are definitely not even kidding. I assume you are talking about the "Tactile Dome" for the touch center thingy. Rory is going to love this -- I will win the best parent ever award this year, hands down!


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 5:07 PM
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81: What B said. You must not miss the Tactile Dome.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 5:07 PM
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Isn't there a homo recruitment and training tour for tweens?

Good Vibrations is pretty close to both Tartine and the pirate store.

The only really compelling thing in the pirate store is the mace, and it's not for sale.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 5:09 PM
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Hmm, this complete darkness thing with the Tactile Dome -- I assume they are equipped in the event of a panic attack?


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 5:12 PM
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And yes, Rory can be an eye-roller. I consider providing opportunities for eye-rolling to be one of the greatest gifts I can give at this age.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 5:13 PM
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thanks.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 5:16 PM
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88: There's some kind of intercom system and yes, if you totally freak out you can yell "help" or whatever and I guess they send someone in for you or turn on lights or something. Plus you can actually go through as often as you like; you just take turns with the other people who have reservations around the same time as you. It's awesome.

Ben's wrong about the pirate store. It's fun just to poke around. Plus there's like a little dark booth with an aquarium and fish, and movie seating, and you can just sit there and peacefully watch the fish, which is extremely enjoyable.

If Rory likes playing grownup, and your budget allows, go down to Fisherman's Wharf and have crab at some tourist trap restaurant. Totally fun. If that's too pricey, just grab some food at one of the street stands instead. And FW isn't far from Ghirardelli square, which has lots of touristy fun shops and hey, chocolate! I don't know if they still do tours of the factory or what have you, but I always liked doing that shit when I was a kid.

Ooh, plus Lombard St. Also, Golden Gate park is lovely.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 5:21 PM
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Ok, but the mace is the best part.

It's a real mace. You could easily bash someone's head in with it.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 5:24 PM
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Meh, Tartine ain't all that (although I'm apparently the only white person in the Bay Area who thinks that). The cookie I had there, while good, was not the lifechanging experience I'd been led to believe it would be.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 5:24 PM
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92: Have you had the quiche? The morning buns? If not, then stfu.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 5:25 PM
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Have you had the quiche?

Yeah... in fact, I've had *two* different varieties of quiche from there. Still not "ZOMG GREATEST BAKERY EVAR".


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 5:28 PM
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Also, why are you sending Di and Rory to the two most obnoxious neighborhoods in the entire City? What's next, sending them down to the Marina?


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 5:29 PM
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Actually the Marina is also a great place. Bring a kite!

They're *tourists* ffs. Also, Dolores Park isn't obnoxious. And I didn't say Tartine was the greatest bakery *every*, but it's damn good.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 5:37 PM
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The place you really *should* go, Di, is to Citizen Cake for dessert. They do serve full meals, but IME it's more fun to go somewhere else for dinner, then head to CC afterwards.

(If making the scheduling on that work is too much, there's also Citizen Cupcake at the Virgin Megastore. Not the full experience, but still worthwhile.)


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 5:37 PM
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There we go. Josh is actually making suggestions rather than carping. Also, the Virgin Megastore instead of a locally owned bakery? Puhleeze.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 5:38 PM
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Citizen Cake is locally owned.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 5:40 PM
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I thought the old ships at the maritime museum were pretty cool when I was a kid. I'm still annoyed that my sister's class did a field trip that involved spending the night on one of the boats and acting like a crew, while my class when I reached the same grade went up to some boring ranch and did boring things for our overnight field trip.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 5:41 PM
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It's not as if Hayes Valley is significantly non-obnoxious.

Here's what you should do, Di. Go up to Green Apple Books and spend a lot of time there, then eat at Burma Superstar (NB I've never been there but it's been recommended highly to me), wander the aisles at Kamei Restaurant Supply, and then go to the beach.

Alternatively, Browser Books on Fillmore near Bittersweet is surprisingly good for avant-garde fiction; you could pick up some Thomas Bernhard for Rory.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 5:44 PM
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Or you could take her to Aquarius Records and give let her experience master eye-rollers firsthand.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 5:44 PM
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100: I assumed, but it's in the damn Virgin Megastore. Lame.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 5:45 PM
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Buy rose petal ice cream at Bombay Creamery and make dispiriting comments about romance.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 5:45 PM
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Actually the Marina is also a great place. Bring a kite!

"Marina Green" != "the Marina". Tourist.

They're *tourists* ffs.

Sure, but that doesn't mean they should get trapped in the Designated Tourist Holding Area (aka the Wharf). I'd be more enthusiastic about it if there were anything there that actually related to life in the greater Bay Area, but it's not like the touristy areas of, say, Florence (where there are actual things of value to be seen). It's just a wasteland designed solely to suck money out of tourists' wallets. I do draw an exception for people stuck down there while waiting for ferries to Angel Island or Alcatraz.

Also, Dolores Park isn't obnoxious.

You don't have to live with those people.

And I didn't say Tartine was the greatest bakery *every*, but it's damn good.

*You* didn't, but see above.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 5:46 PM
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Go to Coit Tower and talk about the history of labor. What kid will fail to enjoy that?


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 5:48 PM
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Eh. I still like the Wharf. It's fun to take kids down there, let them smell the fishy air, and play grownup while ordering a ridiculously expensive crab. PK had a total blast doing that, just like I used to as a kid, SO THERE. And no, you don't want to get *trapped* there, but it's a fine plan for an afternoon.

Whatever re. Marina Green. I totally am a tourist when I go to SF. It's a great town to play tourist in.


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It's not like I suggested going to *Alcatraz*. Also, lalalala Florence, aren't you the pretentious twit.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 5:50 PM
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Go to Coit Tower and talk about the history of labor.

You mean like Golden Age, Silver Age, Iron Age sort of stuff?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 5:51 PM
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Also, lalalala Florence, aren't you the pretentious twit.

He didn't say Firenze.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 5:55 PM
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I so love summer. I'm roasting a chicken out back (for later eating after it's cold) and totally getting drunk. So awesome.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 5:55 PM
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Go to Coit Tower and talk about the history of labor the design of the tower and Lily Hitchcock Coit's fondness for firemen.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 5:55 PM
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Coit tower is cool to look at, but I've never been to it. Does it still have a viewing platform? And can you actually see anything?


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 5:57 PM
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Also, lalalala Florence, aren't you the pretentious twit.

What can I say, going there was a scarring experience, so it jumped to mind when I thought "horrendous tourist trap".

And please, if I were going to be pretentious, I'd mention the Villa d'Este on the shores of Lake Como or someplace like that.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 6:00 PM
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I really like the Telegraph Hill steps neighborhood just next to the tower. But that's just something to look at. There's a view from near the tower - you might be able to go up but I don't remember doing that - and inside the tower are a bunch of WPA murals.


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Views and murals.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 6:02 PM
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I think BPhD's suggestions re: San Francisco are excellent. Sure some seem touristy. But there is a reason tourists go to those places. They are interesting. And I was going to Fisherman's Wharf to eat as a kid (a long time ago) back when there still were fisherman at the wharf. It is not just for the tourists.

I also recommend walking across the Golden Gate Bridge.


Posted by: Idealist | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 6:05 PM
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I actually think Alcatraz would be an entertaining trip; Magpie went there during her most recent bout of unemployment and had a blast.

I can't believe we've gotten this far into the thread and nobody's suggested going to Chinatown for dim sum or noodles. There's also the Japanese Tea Garden in Golden Gate Park, which is good for a couple of hours or so.


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I'll totally have to check that out with PK next time. Or maybe by myself. Kewl.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 6:06 PM
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I was *gonna* say Chinatown, but I figured you'd just make fun of me, Josh.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 6:09 PM
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I also recommend walking across the Golden Gate Bridge.

Oh yeah, definitely. It'd be pretty easy to work in with a trip to the Exploratorium, too.


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120's "that" refers to Coit Tower, btw. Not that ayone cares. But I've had a few beers, so TOUGH SHIT.


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122: ?? The Exploratorium is totally an all day thing, man. IME.


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I was *gonna* say Chinatown, but I figured you'd just make fun of me, Josh.

Not all things touristy are bad; I just have a special loathing for the Wharf. (And for the Mission, but that has nothing to do with tourism.) People *live* in Chinatown.


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I read 81 and the words "exploratorium" and "green apple" burst forth, but I see that's been covered. I will add that Burma Superstar doesn't take reservations, so what you want to do is get on the list and then amble over to Green Apple. Also, Tea Leaf Salad tends to be bomb. And, yes, Pier 39 is tourist hell, but there is the Maritime Museum which is awesome, and there's a place to get actual frites in Ghiardelli (sp?) Sq. And, if you could fit in lunch on Chez Panisse's deck by the monkeypuzzle tree, you'd be better for it. If you feel like hiking, I've got opinions. If you are in town for 7/4, they have fireworks down on crissy field, which could fit in well with an exploratorium expedition/coastal hike.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 6:12 PM
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Bonus, DK: if you go to the Wharf, you won't run into Josh.


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124: I dunno, after a couple of hours heebie and Jammies were tugging on our shirts, wanting to know when we could go do something more fun. (Okay, not really, but even when I've been with kids it hasn't been a full day. Then again, we didn't do the Tactile Dome.)


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What they really need is a Tactful Dome. Makes the socialization process fun!


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127: Oh now it's *on*.


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My brother & SIL arrived in SF today. They lived there 25 years ago and haven't been back. They know they're in for a rude awakening, gentrification-wise. But mostly they want to sleep late WITHOUT CHILDREN and read WITHOUT CHILDREN and eat pasta in North Beach WITHOUT CHILDREN. My sister and I are taking turns caring for said children while they're away.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 6:34 PM
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130: Rumble in the Tactile Dome!


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 6:37 PM
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I'd be more enthusiastic about it if there were anything there that actually related to life in the greater Bay Area

To be fair, the sea lions are pretty awesome.

Recommendation for the Japanese Tea Garden seconded -- I loved that place as a kid. Have the tea service.

The rebuilt Academy of Sciences looks like it's gonna be pretty cool, but it's not reopening until the end of September.

If you're into boats, hop a ferry, either to Sausalito (The main drag, Broadway, is twee and touristy in that t-shirts and art galleries way, but can be fun) or to Angel Island (pretty and outdoorsy, more of interest if you like hiking, though they have Segway tours now).

while my class when I reached the same grade went up to some boring ranch and did boring things for our overnight field trip.

eb, was that the place in Pescadero where they make you kiss slugs? Bleah.


Posted by: Magpie | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 6:44 PM
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Oh no ways, there's a place where they make you kiss slugs? Fill me in on this. PK's favorite game of late is annoying me by insisting that slugs are cute and that he wants slugs for his next bday. I must take him to this place and call his little bluff.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 6:47 PM
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Jones Gulch, though I think it's just a special torture visited upon Bay Area schoolchildren, not something that's actually open to the public.

If you *really* want to call his bluff, get him enrolled in a Bay Area school for 6th grade.


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I loved driving around SF following the little seagull signs that mark out the scenic route, going up Twin Peaks in the fog, etc. Very beautiful and a little scary.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 6:51 PM
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This Scenic Drive.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 6:54 PM
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If you *really* want to call his bluff, get him enrolled in a Bay Area school for 6th grade.

Crap. Doubtless by that point he'll have moved on to some new irritating behavior instead.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 6:54 PM
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Slugs are cute.


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 7:00 PM
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Very beautiful and a little scary.

Oh come on, it doesn't go *that* close to Bayview/Hunter's Point.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 7:00 PM
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You could always bring him north, walk him through a redwood forest after a rainstorm, and have him wing it with a wild slug. Can you get him to keep it up until winter?


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141: Probably.

139: Wanna babysit?


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 7:12 PM
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Scary? Hardly. Scary is stoned drag racing on Skyline/Grizzly Peak in the fog, which I also recommend. If you're squeamish about that sort of thing, Tilden Park is decent for kids, as is that park in North Berkeley with the big ass concrete slide.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 7:14 PM
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My brother has witnessed slug sex. You cover your beloved with slime and then lick them clean.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 7:15 PM
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142.2: Sure thing. I'll bring some extra bourbon for PK.


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 7:22 PM
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Banana slugs make your mouth go numb if you lick/kiss them, or so I've been told.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 7:30 PM
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145: Awesome. See you soon.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 7:37 PM
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They kill you if you eat them. Only in Oregon. Frat boy chugalug fest.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 7:38 PM
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My daughter Siobhán, who is far better qualified to judge than any of you jaded lot, has determined slugs to be cute, so consider the matter settled. The other day I came across an enormous snail (which is of course a slug with a shell) and she let it crawl up and down her arms and legs. She's kind of a Dr. Dolittle type. I had to tell her that the centipedes weren't to be played with.


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Oh, whoa. I didn't realize the suggestions were gonna keep flowing when I wandered off at 90, all giddy about the Exploratorium idea. You guys are the best.

93.3 could have been written by Rory's Fairy Godmother (and come to think of it, the godmother position did open up not too long ago... ) -- Rory loves nothing on earth more than acting grown-up; the brief lobster obsession she developed when we were in Boston many years ago evolved into a crab kick in the past few years; and chocolate, oh, chocolate. (I've gotten in the habit of bringing her ridiculously expensive chocolate home from this sandwich shop downtown Chicago. She likes to say in this rather prim little tone of voice, "Once you've had Belgian chocolate, you really just don't settle for ordinary candy bars." Yeah, she's growing up swipple.)

Chinatown is a good idea -- my boss took her to Chinatown in Chicago for dim sum a year or two ago (with me and his nephew) and she still talks about it. Ethnic food generally (except Indian) pleases her tremendously. The Japanese Tea Garden would probably balance her love of "exotic" with her love of "fancy" quite nicely.

Fitting this all into three days will be a bit of a challenge...

Rumble in the Tactile Dome!

This sounds like fun, but maybe the sort of activity I'll save for a trip without Rory...


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 8:19 PM
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(I've gotten in the habit of bringing her ridiculously expensive chocolate home from this sandwich shop downtown Chicago. She likes to say in this rather prim little tone of voice, "Once you've had Belgian chocolate, you really just don't settle for ordinary candy bars." Yeah, she's growing up swipple.)

Take her to bittersweet.


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Rory loves nothing on earth more than acting grown-up

In that case, I'd recommend the Legion of Honor and SFMOMA.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 8:25 PM
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Ooh, I love the godmother/auntie role!


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 8:44 PM
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Oh, bittersweet does look good! And now I really want some chocolate...


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 8:47 PM
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Ben meant to give you this link (to Bittersweet).


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I found my way to that link via google, but thanks. That extra effort to provide a link is going to put you in strong position as a candidate for that vacant godmother position...


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 8:54 PM
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Ben probably looks better in the cateye glasses, I'm sorry to say.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 9:27 PM
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eb, was that the place in Pescadero where they make you kiss slugs? Bleah.

No, it was up in the Marin Headlands somewhere. No slug kissing that I remember.


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157: Unquestionably an important part of the competition.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 06-21-08 10:07 PM
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If you're going to come over to the East Bay, you can always take the tour at the Scharffen Berger factory.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 06-22-08 12:53 AM
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I would look awesome in cat's-eye glasses.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06-22-08 3:10 AM
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160: Saw that, but must be 10 or up for that tour. As the Cubs fans say, "maybe next year."


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 06-22-08 5:40 AM
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stanley, you should get the cologne. not every instance of a man wearing cologne is equivalent to some drunk 19-year-old at the jersey shore reeking of axe body spray. even some cologne that's heading in a dangerous iranian dirction such as drakkar noir is good. chicks dig it.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 06-22-08 7:55 AM
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some drunk 19-year-old at the jersey shore reeking of Axe Body Spray

Not that that's a bad thing.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06-22-08 8:07 AM
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150: I nominate the Mineshaft as Rory's godparent!


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Careful, Stanley, though. It's a slippery slope.

Next you'll have your alphabetized scent collection in cool-boxes next to the rack of reconditioned 1940s straight razors and pomade display.


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drakkar noir is good. chicks dig it

Ugh. I have bad, bad memories of drakkar noir. Every now and then, I'll get a whiff of the stuff and catch myself glaring eye daggers of death at the poor schmuck who was unfortunate enough to dab a little on.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 06-22-08 9:58 AM
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drakkar noir is good. chicks dig it

First cologne I ever wore, because a summer camp girlfriend loved it.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 06-22-08 10:52 AM
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Endorsed by 16-y-o Apo. That should pretty much clinch it.

Too bad, Di. No camp counselors for you.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 06-22-08 10:58 AM
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When I was in high school, I had a thing for Issey Miyake on men.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 06-22-08 10:58 AM
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If I were to wear cologne, it would be probably be Issey Miyake. But I don't, so I smell like tobacco and sesame oil. I like it better this way.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 06-22-08 11:06 AM
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Morrissey wears Avignon by CDG. It smells just like Catholic mass. Hott.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 06-22-08 11:06 AM
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The schismatic papal cologne? Weird.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 06-22-08 11:08 AM
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My erstwhile co-blogger bought Cumming and reviewed it a while back. It made me laugh.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 06-22-08 11:17 AM
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Cumming is lovely!

(See what I did there?)


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 06-22-08 11:29 AM
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172: Kyoto by CDG is great too. Buddhist funerals are nearly as hot as Catholic mass.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 06-22-08 11:29 AM
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I sometimes wear Cumming! It's great. The marketing materials are all fantastic, too, but the scent itself is also very well done.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 06-22-08 11:30 AM
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I have Prada Amber, and Boss Bottled.

I keep meaning to buy more.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 06-22-08 11:32 AM
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The CDG incense scent I like best is Ouarzazate.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 06-22-08 11:33 AM
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Christopher Brosius' incense scent, Fire from Heaven, smells rather nice on boys, too. Everybody, really.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 06-22-08 11:39 AM
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The better angels of my nature are urging me to confess that I bought the cologne. And, while my life is neither qualitatively better nor worse, I smelled nice last night at a dinner and subsequent block party. I think the key is not to over-apply.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06-22-08 1:50 PM
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Open shirt with gold chain? Trans-am?

(Wait, they're old-fashioned.....)


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 06-22-08 1:52 PM
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Excellent, Stanley.

Then again, I kind of like Drakkar Noir, so.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 06-22-08 1:56 PM
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I was wearing a guayabera, so it's like I was foreign. So it's totally fine.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06-22-08 1:56 PM
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Hawt.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 06-22-08 1:58 PM
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I do like a dab of cologne on a guy, but only just enough that you have to get right up close to smell it.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 06-22-08 5:51 PM
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glaring eye daggers of death

This is awesome. I'm stealing it.

I used to wear Clinique's Happy for men. I haven't worn any scent recently. In general there is a negative correlation between length of time a man has been dating me, and how often he wears cologne.


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Hm. Apparently I've been dating Witt for an infinite period.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 06-22-08 6:01 PM
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The better angels of my nature are urging me to confess that I bought the cologne.

You're just saying that so the women will sniff your neck at the next Unfoggedcon.


Posted by: Magpie | Link to this comment | 06-22-08 7:12 PM
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I sniff everyone's neck. (hangs head)


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 06-22-08 7:21 PM
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You didn't sniff my neck when I met you. IS THERE SOMETHING REPELLENT ABOUT MY NECK?!


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 06-22-08 7:26 PM
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Snarkout was right there! And I totally did sniff your neck later. I just waited until the time was right.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 06-22-08 7:39 PM
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When you passed out everyone sniffed you, RFTS.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 06-22-08 7:40 PM
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At the next UnfoggeDCon, the neck sniffers will be obvious. Everyone beware.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06-22-08 11:23 PM
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More seriously, NY Times says no more masturbating to George Carlin.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06-22-08 11:28 PM
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Ethereal is the best neck-sniffer for picking up trace scents.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06-22-08 11:28 PM
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195: And no more masturbating to Cody's Books.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 06-22-08 11:49 PM
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I nominate the Mineshaft as Rory's godparent!

Based on the squeals of delight elicited when I shared with her the itinerary developed for us by the Mineshaft, I think that nomination is going to carry. I think that means the Mineshaft has to now collectively swear to reject Satan and all his deeds and so forth.


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