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Dude, that's the "before" picture. He now looks like this.


Posted by: My Alter Ego | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 8:43 AM
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This must not be an old picture. He apparently looks like Dumbledore now.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 8:44 AM
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reverse George Michael, coz hair starts to get white from the root


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 8:44 AM
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Alter pwned.

The Dumbledore reference was from NPR this morning, but he actually looks a lot more like my Con Law professor.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 8:45 AM
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NPR should be congratulated. Way to put down the bastard.


Posted by: OneFatEnglishman | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 8:46 AM
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1: And in between.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 8:48 AM
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Sweet! He's Dr Andrew Weil.


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 8:49 AM
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Seriously, had I seen that picture earlier, I would have called the Hague.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 8:50 AM
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Or John Emerson.


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 8:50 AM
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has anyone registered menwholooklikeradovankaradzic.com yet?


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 8:52 AM
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I think Karadzic is the single human being who most looks like he's just stepped straight out of anime. You could plop a live-action movie of him into Dragonball-Z and you wouldn't see any difference between him and the other characters.


Posted by: Timothy Burke | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 9:06 AM
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To this untrained eye that yellowish tinge looks like Grecian Formula, the five minute hair treatment guaranteed to fool all your friends.

I've seen it on people I know. I dunno, though, the yellow may be a bad reaction to Grecian Formula. Personally while I agree with George Gobel that the best way to stay young is diet - when your hair turns gray diet - I've never touched the stuff myself. Honest.


Posted by: Tripp | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 9:07 AM
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What would "far more warlike than President Bush" look like? He'd annex Nova Scotia? Nuke Luxembourg? Re-enact Sherman's March?

Does Reynolds use a random word generator for posts?

PREDICTION: When Barack Obama becomes president, everything that Reynolds praised Bush for will suddenly become faults if exercised by Obama.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 9:14 AM
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Psychiatrist, poet, naturopath. Nice guy.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 9:16 AM
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Re-enact Sherman's March?

We can only hope. Of course we want the General's March, not the wry documentarian's. Although I would love to see Obama on a rustic porch on a misty morning mountaintop, drinking clear liquor from a mason jar, listening to a little dobro gospel, watching Atlanta burn to the ground.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 9:22 AM
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1: Actually I think he now looks like this.

This would be a good time to recommend Emir Kusturica's Underground. I can't source it, but I think Karadzic inspired the warrior figure who emerges at the end.


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 9:30 AM
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It's possible it's just yellowed hair. The very elderly people I used to housesit for had special shampoo for removing the yellow that often appears in white hair, thereby maintaining the coveted "silver fox" appearance.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 9:30 AM
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When I think of what a success Glenn Reynolds might have been as an east European apparatchik, well, it makes me a little sad. All that wasted talent.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 9:32 AM
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Apo, I hate to interrupt our musings on Grecian Formula in order to be humorless, but the more I think about the Reynolds line the angrier I get. For that paragraph to make any damn sense at all, we'd have to think that (a) Barack Obama secretly thinks that Bush's policies are an effective means of benefiting the US, and (b) Obama doesn't care very much about those ends, but does care about benefiting Barack Obama. It can't just be that they have different beliefs about strategy or anything, it has to be perfidy. This is genuine craziness.


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 9:36 AM
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thereby maintaining the coveted "silver fox" appearance.

And perhaps extending into the very much coveted "blue tint" we are all so fond of?


Posted by: Tripp | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 9:41 AM
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...attacks on Barack Obama.

That's Barack Hussein Obama, Mr Reynolds.

The narrative of Obama as egomaniac is similar to the crap cooked up about the Clintons in the early years. Going after Democrats as power hungry egomaniacs is low hanging fruit, since by definition politicians seek power.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 9:43 AM
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It's a moral dilemma: to point out yet another example of Glenn Reynolds being a fuckhead, you have to give him a link. Of course, FL being a professor he can bring an analytic ethics perspective to bear on this tradeoff.

I remember Reynolds being my first indication of how totally off the rails the right wing blogsphere was going to go. Since like a lot of people he was one of my first introductions to politosphere, and he's a university professor and all, I sort of marvelled as I watched him gradually revealed as an insane person. Way back in 2001, I had a childlike faith in my fellow human beings. I was soon to be enlightened forever, at relatively low personal cost too.

I remember he introduced me to Den Beste, one of my favorite bloggers ever, so I guess I owe him for that.


Posted by: PGD | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 9:44 AM
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But after he's elected President, attacks on America will also be attacks on Barack Obama.

Which will be so different for him since no one's attacked him or his family before, ever, in any way. I am reminded again of Walt's 18 from that other thread yesterday.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 9:44 AM
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Den Beste, one of my favorite bloggers ever

Be careful PGD, you're going to unleash the fookin' fury.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 9:45 AM
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Santa's hair, my dad's glasses, & Spike from Top Chef's stupid hat.


Posted by: katherine | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 9:46 AM
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19: Call me crazy, but I have trouble reading it as anything other than a tacit embrace of monarchy. The President-King is the State and vice versa; what happens to one happens to the other. It makes my brain itch on the insides.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 9:48 AM
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I remember Reynolds being my first indication of how totally off the rails the right wing blogsphere was going to go.

Same here. Exploring some of his sidebar links convinced me that--holy fuck!--this post-9/11 "we're all Americans" feeling wasn't going to last long.


Posted by: KR | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 9:52 AM
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I am reminded again of Walt's 18 from that other thread yesterday.

you remember that it was comment #18, but can't figure out what thread it was?


Posted by: peter | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 9:53 AM
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For that paragraph to make any damn sense at all, we'd have to think that

...Reynolds has gotten the memo that all references to Obama must include a nod to the idea that he's building a fascist cult of personality.

I have heard from many Survivors and their children about the symbolism and implications of use of rules to undermine our core democratic values. Ellen Mendel wrote that "I was born under Hitler in Germany, and reading about the plans for the Obama throng in the stadium in Denver and the implications which have been spelled out, gives me the chills...the DNC will deliver the country to Obama on a platter. I wonder when it will hit them what pawns they have been in this Faustian tragedy.

Another, "As someone who escaped from France during WW ll, I hope that I'm not being over dramatic when I'm more than uneasy with stuff like Obama's possible Denver stadium theatrics and the calibrated negotiations going on about the convention."


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 9:53 AM
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Why even make it sound like he's making an argument? The second half of Reynolds' post:

And Keith Olbermann will describe the mushroom cloud over Tehran as "awesome in its rampant Technicolor beauty."

Posted by: destroyer | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 9:54 AM
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a tacit embrace of monarchy. The President-King is the State and vice versa

He's attributing that belief to Barack Obama, not endorsing it. And he's attributing it to Barack Obama because Glenn Reynolds is a horrible human being who doesn't think he has any obligation to the truth when it comes to damaging politicians he doesn't like.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 9:54 AM
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28: Here.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 9:54 AM
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Speaking of Olbermann, Comcast has removed MSNBC from the list of 80 or so basic cable channels, in Pittsburgh anyway. 100% of the newspaper coverage has presumed that this is for political reasons. Is this happening elsewhere?


Posted by: CN | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 9:55 AM
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Den Beste, one of my favorite bloggers ever

Yes, yes indeed. The arc of the Den Beste story was so great. His tale would make an excellent character study. He could credibly support the most plausible explanations which inevitably turned out to be wrong. Last I checked he was reviewing Anime, but I am curious to know what the last chapter of the Den Beste saga will be.


Posted by: Tripp | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 10:00 AM
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33: Really? Do you have a link? Because the sooner the media begins covering its own corruption the happier I'll be. Most underreported story ever -- no surprise there.


Posted by: ari | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 10:02 AM
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I guess by "newspaper coverage" I mean "meta-media meta-coverage". This may be the only "objective" story which has covered it, and in fact the objective reporter makes a special unique trip into the first person just to reassure us that it was not politically motivated. Let me know if you can figure out why the citation of G4 in that comment is anything other than a non-sequitur.


Posted by: CN | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 10:06 AM
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I sort of marvelled as I watched him gradually revealed as an insane person.

But he isn't (as far as I know) crazy. He's just the GOP's self-appointed PR flack/Counselor-for-the-Defense. He's perfectly willing to stretch any argument to the point of insanity if it sows a little doubt in the jury. I suppose I sort of marvelled at him over the years as he gradually revealed how far he was willing to go to make his case, but I've never regarded Glenn Reynolds as anything other than an Ari Fleisher without the portfolio. Poor Glenn, always the water-carrier but never the waterboarder.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 10:06 AM
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The photo linked in 16 reminded me: I miss ogged.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 10:07 AM
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31: My assumption is that he has to embrace it as the only way to be OK with things like Bush using "this is the guy who tried to kill my dad" as a justification for war. I'm assuming his point isn't that it's unreasonable for the President to react to attacks on America as though they are attacks on himself but that Obama will take it too far because he's touchy and self-obsessed unlike Bush's balanced, idealistic approach to bombing the shit out of people who haven't done anything to us.

28: I'm good with numbers, not names or links.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 10:08 AM
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Speaking of Olbermann, Comcast has removed MSNBC from the list of 80 or so basic cable channels, in Pittsburgh anyway. 100% of the newspaper coverage has presumed that this is for political reasons. Is this happening elsewhere?

That seems odd. If you look at the donations of the Comcast corporate Pac, they were close to even (leaning slightly GOP) in 2004 and 2006 (even during the heyday of the K-Street project), and now are over 2-1 to Democrats (basically, the rogues gallery of anti-net neutrality Dems). The largest single recipient of their lobbying expenditures is a Dem firm. And the top executives, while they appear to favor Republicans in their individual contributions, have also contributed to Dems, and most did not support McCain.

In general, cable companies are totally dependent on exclusive municipal franchises, and they would be crazy to alienate the Democratic party machines in jurisdictions where they face franchise renewal.

I would hold out for more evidence before concluding that there is any political motivation behind this.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 10:13 AM
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the media begins covering its own corruption the happier I'll be.

I have to say, though, the mainstream press is starting to do some justice to the story of Maliki basically endorsing Obama. Front page acknowledgements in both the NY Times and Washington Post today.

Funny thing about Obama as fascist is that his actual flaws have more to do with his potentially establishmentarian embrace of sweet reasonableness and compromise, which leads him to be more sympathetic to the Very Serious and Responsible nonpartisan line than he should be.


Posted by: PGD | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 10:15 AM
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I'm excited for when the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact starts picking up and the forwarders start whispering that this is Big Rally Obama's putsch.


Posted by: destroyer | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 10:19 AM
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Reynolds's line is irritating, but it feels like more ambling from the right. I don't think this is the line that they're going to settle on going into the election. The problem with it is that if the U.S. is attacked or, more likely, an axis wannabe does a war dance, and Obama responds with strength and resolution, he'll have answered one of the right's critiques of Obama/the Democratic Party (that they're weak) even while fulfilling this newer, lesser criticisms. I think McCain made the same mistake by repeating this line that Obama wouldn't visit the Middle East. He did, and turned it into a full-blown world tour, and at the same time Maliki knee-capped McCain. Mambo had a good line on this that is lost to the archives: essentially, the right is making a mistake by challenging Obama to do things that 1) he's gonna do anyway and 2) will make him look stronger.


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 10:21 AM
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What's up with your blog, 'Smasher?


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 10:28 AM
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Any bets on which rightwing blog will be the first to combine a Democratic convention post with images from the Nuremberg rallies?


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 10:29 AM
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44: Radovan Karadzic got to it.

The domain registration expired and after that, squatters bought it—but agreed to return it—so now I'm reinstalling the site. It's taking me a long time because after every instruction I have to send a halp to Movable Type. I'm getting around to it, slowly. In the meantime I'm doing some blogging at Huff Po.


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 10:36 AM
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Self-promoting link? Happy to oblige.


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 10:37 AM
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Ugh, wrong link. FAIL.


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 10:37 AM
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I need a little technical help for my online course. Can someone download this powerpoint from my bioethics class and tell me if they can hear the audio? You won't be able to hear the audio in the preview page at the Adobe file sharing site, but if you click on "download" in the upper right hand corner, and download the file to your computer, you should be able to open the file in powerpoint and hear my audio.

(This is actually a double test. I also want to see if the Adobe site is a good way to share this sort of file. If it is, I'm putting all my class preps up there. )

(Also, please don't critique the audio itself. This is only an early draft.)

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Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 11:06 AM
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45: Maybe Red State. I did have to almost admire this bit of visual hyperbole of theirs after the 2006 elections.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 11:07 AM
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49: I hear nothing. Nothing. Damn you, helpy-chalk!


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 11:48 AM
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Thanks walt. Looks like I have some work to do.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 11:59 AM
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peter, comment 18 in that thread was so great that the number 18 has been retired in its honor, the way the Yomiuri Giants retired number 24 in honor of Kobe.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 12:07 PM
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49: nope, audio doesn't work.


Posted by: PGD | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 12:17 PM
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...tacit embrace of monarchy. The President-King is the State and vice versa; what happens to one happens to the other.

It all becomes more complicated when the people start identifying themselves as the State. When the people & the State are one, there is no psychic mediation between the People & the Fuehrer. The last round of horrors had Leaders; I expect the next round to be caused by Servants. Last round:Nationalism; next:cosmopolitanism. Last round:Anti-Semitism;Next:?

Depends on the culture & conditions, and the right is too narcissistic to provide the Servant that takes it to the level past Napoleon & the Fascists.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 12:18 PM
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50: an accurate preview of DC in January 08. I'm looking forward to watching the airlift.


Posted by: PGD | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 12:18 PM
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The last round of horrors had Leaders; I expect the next round to be caused by Servants.

The people have spoken! I am but their humble Servant, an instrument of the collective will. Round up the dusky ones- use this grocery bag as a guide.

George Prescott Bush, Humble Servant of the People, 2012


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 12:27 PM
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Round up the dusky ones- use this grocery bag as a guide.

The right is toast. The Next Depression, as I already said, will not provide opportunities for Fascists, nationalists, racists, traditionalists. There aren't enough left.

The middle-class intellectual urbanites do have their hated enemies, of course. Who would be rounded up in a dictatorship run by the likes of Martin Amis & Dawkins? Golly, let me think...


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 12:33 PM
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I think I'm going to have to pay a visit to Northwestern Law School this year just so I can cause Steven Calabresi a fucking lying asshole. This piece fails to meet any reasonable standard of discourse. For instance, "He has criticized the war in Iraq but visited the country for the first time Monday to see how well the surge there is working" is a lie. Where's their fact-checker? He hasn't visited Iraq since the escalation began, but he was there in January 2006.

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Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 12:42 PM
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"cause" s/b "call"


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 12:42 PM
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I don't know, washerdreyer, causing someone to have a lying, fucking asshole could work, also, for some definitions of lying.


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 12:56 PM
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He doesn't look like Dumbledore. He looks, I am sorry to say, l like John Emerson.

Also, I want to mention how pleased I am with Unfogged for helping me to realize the realities of male grooming. I was going to post a comment saying "highlights? Why couldn't that just be the way his hair is graying? Some people's hair grays unevenly" but now, on seeing the new video, I realize that while yes, hair can gray unevenly, the hair in the front-page pic is no more "real" than yer average model's hair. Duh.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 1:12 PM
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50: an accurate preview of DC in January 08. I'm looking forward to watching the airlift.

Suddenly, I realize that we should have UnfoggeDCon a little later next time. Like, oh, say, January 18th-21st?


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 1:19 PM
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The guy kind of looks like an older version of Syndrome from The Incredibles. Who's super now??


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 1:22 PM
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Suddenly, I realize that we should have UnfoggeDCon a little later next time. Like, oh, say, January 18th-21st?

FUCKIN-A. Definitely.

We can hold a group ceremony to mark the beginning of the Obama Sellout Watch. Also, attend inauguaral balls dressed as Crazy Liberal Blog Commenters.


Posted by: PGD | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 1:27 PM
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Egg the Republican club.

Emerson can bring some hogs.


Posted by: PGD | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 1:28 PM
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I was at the first, horrible GWB inauguration. I shudder still.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 1:36 PM
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This is dating me, but I was at the 1992 Clinton inauguaration. Excellent free bands up and down the mall -- I remember Los Lobos being particularly good. Cold day, but a wonderful atmosphere. Morning in America!

If Obama wins, it will still feel like late afternoon in America, but with the first signs of clearing skies clearing after the massive storms.


Posted by: PGD | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 1:44 PM
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I am going to cry like a baby to see a black man sworn in as president. (There needs to be a different word for the happy kind of crying.)


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 1:49 PM
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Damn. I think I haven't made a post without an egregious error since like 2007. And I'm not even drunk.


Posted by: PGD | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 1:49 PM
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I'm going to cry like a black man the day a baby gets sworn in as president.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 1:51 PM
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69: yeah, totally. Not a dry eye in the house.


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 1:53 PM
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I was at the 1992 inauguration as well. I mostly remember being pushed around by impossibly large crowds. But it was definitely the best reason ever to miss a day of school.


Posted by: Nathan Williams | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 2:46 PM
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I'm going to make a baby cry by swearing the day I'm black President.


Posted by: Beefo Meaty | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 2:50 PM
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I mostly remember being pushed around

That was me, Nathan. And I'll do it again if you get between me and the concession stands.


Posted by: PGD | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 2:56 PM
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Damn. I think I haven't made a post without an egregious error since like 2007. And I'm not even drunk.

I've been continuously inebriated since 1993 and I, as far as I can tell, am flawless.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 3:46 PM
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69:Me too, That will be the day the 4th Phase rules us all.

1) Nixon, 2) Reagan, 3) Bush II, 4) Obama


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 4:04 PM
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76: Lat plobey col pobber, ferl engs.


Posted by: Fatman | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 4:08 PM
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62: To young wholesome people from Canada and California, everyone slightly different than them and their friends looks the same.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 4:40 PM
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That will be the day the 4th Phase rules us all.

Listen to the man. If superintelligent ants take the White House next January, don't say you weren't warned.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 4:57 PM
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The 4 phases, for those who won't click thru

1) Nixon manipulates reality to achieve ends
2) Reagan manipulated signs/symbols to achieve real ends
3) Bush II manipulates signs/symbols for their own sake;he wants to be a "war President", well because WP's are cool.
4) Obama:there is no reality, no real ends, no signs or symbols, just Dreams From Our Fathers.
The idea of an false idea (black man); an illusion of a freedom from a prejudice we don't understand; an image without meaning will make us cry.

An age of sentiment & spectacular cruelty in Spengler or a Chinese aphorism.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 5:20 PM
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At this point I think of Obama as triangulation II. Perhaps the Hillary loyalists are right; only sexism prevented Hillary from being triangulation II as she deserved.

That's only a guess, though. Obama has kept his cards close to his chest, but that's my guess.

I'd say, 2 to 1 odds Obama will be a terrible disappointment, that is to say, Clintonesque.

I think that the ball will be in the liberal Congressional Democrats' court, and we should be planning primary challenges for 2010.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 5:26 PM
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So ... where are the superintelligent ants?


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 5:28 PM
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78: Yes, yes, no, yes and "radishes."


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 07-22-08 5:35 PM
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It occurs to me, a little late for this thread, that on-the-lam Karadzic looks just like Daniel Dennett. Has anyone seen them in the same room at the same time?


Posted by: beamish | Link to this comment | 07-23-08 7:44 AM
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