Re: Cheesemaking is hot

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My visit of a 8000'/2400m high cheesemaking chalet in the Swiss Alps where cheese is still made like 300 years ago - and not one tourist in sight!
The machinery in the picture in the first link suggests that this is not entirely accurate.
Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 12:12 PM
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Everyone's a critic.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 12:15 PM
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I agree about the hotness and idyll, uh, idyllicity, though. Also, feel free to correct the spacing problem in 1; I'm not sure why that happens when I use blockquotes.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 12:17 PM
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Blessed are those people. And all manufacturers of dairy products.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 12:49 PM
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Idyllic reminds me of the south west of Norway inland from the coast.


Posted by: disaggregated | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 12:51 PM
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Hotness indeed. There is something to be said for freckled red-heads.


Posted by: Tripp | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 12:59 PM
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Didn't we have a whole thread about what can and can't be said about freckled red-heads?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 1:24 PM
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what can and can't be said about freckled red-heads

You can certainly tell me how sexy freckled redheads are. Because I'm a feminist.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 1:31 PM
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Freckles are like carbonation in the sack.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 1:34 PM
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Sweaty freckles are like condensation in the sack.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 1:37 PM
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Raised, irregular, or multicolored freckles are cause for consternation in the sack.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 1:38 PM
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It actually depends on the kind of cheese- I've been making my own mozzarella and it's only 88 degrees, whereas something like ricotta is very hott at 190.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 1:38 PM
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Feckless sweaters deserve condemnation in the sack.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 1:39 PM
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Sunscreen keeps freckles off your sack.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 1:41 PM
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Licking sunscreened sack-freckless might cause constipation in the john.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 1:42 PM
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I contemplate John's sack-freckles when I'm constipated.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 1:45 PM
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John's feckless constipation was not contemplated.


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 1:48 PM
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I thought cheesemaking was a man's job, like mining and fishing, because of the cooties.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 1:52 PM
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Cooties from the cow? You're doing it wrong.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 1:53 PM
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Emerson's cootie contemplation complicates cheesemaking.


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 1:55 PM
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Curdling is a delicate process that needs to be cootie-controlled. Just randomly blasting the milk with the whole cootie arsenal produces inferior cheese.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 1:58 PM
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Emerson's cootie-controlled curdles create champion cheeses.


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 2:00 PM
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Yes, I am facing a deadline. Thank you for asking.


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 2:01 PM
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SP - Are you planning on taking a go at hard cheeses? Have you tried making chevre? (I did, and it was a total bust. Not sure what I did wrong.) Fresh mozarella, though: so easy.


Posted by: Chopper | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 2:11 PM
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heebie,

Didn't we have a whole thread about what can and can't be said about freckled red-heads?

Oh yes, and if you noticed I am not actually saying anything about that this time. I said 'there is something to be said about red-heads' and I am leaving it at that. I'm not going down that mineshaft again.

Nope.

And you know there is something to be said about Math Professors too.


Posted by: Tripp | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 2:14 PM
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I visited a cheese factory in Wisconsin because, you know, Wisconsin/cheese, enough said.

The most interesting part to me was the press, mostly because it seemed the most scaled-up and seemed to use the most power. I'll tell you, the industrial age may have ruined farming but it sure allowed massive production of some yummy foods like cheese.

This was like Momma made but extremely quality controlled and huge quantities. Very impressive.


Posted by: Tripp | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 2:20 PM
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Minnesota is very gratifying WRT local sausages, smoked pork products, smoked and pickled fish, etc., but the cheeses here are lame and generic. I can get sharp cheddar but nothing better. You have some sort of creamery every ten miles, and at least one cheese plant, but nothing artisanal.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 2:29 PM
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and at least one cheese plant, but nothing artisanal.

Sounds like a good hobby for you John. You could go underground and make artisanal unpasteurized cheeses. Stick it to the man.


Posted by: CJB | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 2:35 PM
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There's a cheese shop in a creamery down the road. Maybe I'll stop in and put a bug in their ear.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 2:41 PM
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Maybe I'll stop in and put a bug in their ear.

Excellent idea, but you'll need more than one mite.


Posted by: peter | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 2:45 PM
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And you know there is something to be said about Math Professors too.

We are rigorous and covered with chalk in the sack.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 2:50 PM
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I know, you need all that chalk to grip the balance beam, pommel horse, et cetera.


Posted by: peter | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 2:51 PM
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Chalky, like many fine cheeses.

American Muenster doesn't hold a candle to European. They're actually two different cheeses.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 2:55 PM
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1 - "She places a giant lawn mower on top the cauldron and attaches the strings to a car battery" - ha.


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 3:03 PM
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Asilon, you don't understand. Cute girls can get away with any damn thing.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 3:05 PM
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Math professors and hot freckled redheads are like chalk and cheese.


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 3:06 PM
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I encountered some cheddar in Scotland that was weapons-grade sharp. Put-your-eye-out sharp. My nuts retract into my abdomen just thinking about it. That was some mighty fine cheddar.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 3:36 PM
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24- So far I've done and eaten ricotta, mozzarella, kefir, creme fraiche. I've made a pound of jack and two pounds of cheddar, which are aging- the jack will be ready in September, the cheddar in December. This brought up a question of why cheddar and jack are so much cheaper than fresh mozzarella in stores even though they take so long- I guess the former keep much better and can be stocked.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 3:49 PM
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Also, goat milk is obscenely expensive unless you own a goat, so I don't plan to try any goat cheeses.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 3:50 PM
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very gratifying WRT local sausages

IYKWIM


Posted by: Merganser | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 3:53 PM
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Asilon, you don't understand. Cute girls can get away with any damn thing.

Oh John, I understand very well!
(Can you hear my eyelashes fluttering?)


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 5:15 PM
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Red hot checkers for the sneezing, frex.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 5:22 PM
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Didn't we have a whole thread about what can and can't be said about freckled red-heads?

Did we? I'll have to point it out to BR.


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 5:24 PM
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I had some delicious Mountaineer cheese tonight. mmmmm good.


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 5:25 PM
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Freckled redheads are all hookers, without exception.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 5:41 PM
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And not the kind of hookers you want to mess with, either.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 5:42 PM
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I must be blind, because the person in the photo doesn't appear to be either freckled or a redhead.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 5:42 PM
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47: Me too.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 5:47 PM
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If you are blind perhaps you can read the freckles, like Braille?


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 5:50 PM
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The Grauniad's latest Commenter has a wicked cool picture. The profile, however, is too short.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 6:26 PM
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I would love to see a vice-presidential debate featuring the Cryptkeeper. Maybe he can be moderator if McCain passes him over.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 6:32 PM
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Hip prostitution one more time


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 6:55 PM
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And that MBA from a university whose very name makes peoples' hearts beat a little bit faster

D.H. Lawrence University? Nora Barnacle College for Women? The Business School of O?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 7:07 PM
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She chickens out in the end because the guy is hairy. Poor Ogged. She actually has to pay off the madame.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 7:14 PM
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Why do you tease Bitch, PhD with these things, JE. The article seems more fiction than fact, but what do I know.


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 7:27 PM
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One Olivia is mentioned in the article. Is it our [former] Olivia?


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 7:29 PM
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There seems to be no reason to think so; for one thing, that person was English, not a New Yorker, and attended Oxbridge, not a Northwestern university.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 7:31 PM
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Er, northeastern.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 7:31 PM
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Ewww, I thought 52 was a joke. I guess I should put JE on my never-click-the-links list.

Can we go back to talking about artisanal food? I've heard rumors this "bespoke coffee" is better than delicious.


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 7:32 PM
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That's pretty decadent, Witt.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 7:34 PM
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Sweet baby Jesus. Don't let Tripp catch you buying that stuff, or he'll send a planeload of starving Kenyans to crash the party.


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 7:39 PM
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Witt, I clearly labeled the fascinating article I linked. It's a genre by now.

Ben, perhaps she tweaked her persona.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 7:42 PM
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I know you're thinking: "If she was going to tweak her persona, why would she leave her business name unchanged?"

She did it just to rankle your ass, that's why.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 7:43 PM
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What, for free?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 7:47 PM
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61: Some of it is from Kenya, TLL.

Dude, Emerson, affect is hard to read online. I think I can be forgiven for not getting that 52 was actually in earnest.

Ugh, I dunno, maybe I'm just really, really OD'd on young-women-writing-transparently-for-approval genre. Or is just that I've had a lousy week of secondhand observation of the perfidy of the patriarchy.*

*N.b. concern trolls: I did not say "men."


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 7:50 PM
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Ass rankling is her loss leader.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 7:50 PM
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If I were funnier I could make a good suggestive remark out of "rankle," but I'm not. Free joke! Where's heebie? Where's apo?


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 7:51 PM
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Too cheesed to rankle tonight, Witt.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 7:52 PM
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61: Some of it is from Kenya, TLL.
Makes the logistics easier, Witt. Coffee and angry mob in one delivery


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 7:53 PM
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Ugh, I dunno, maybe I'm just really, really OD'd on young-women-writing-transparently-for-approval genre.

I suppose it's possible this happens, but I've certainly never observed it firsthand.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 7:53 PM
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Witt, I of all people am always straightforward.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 7:58 PM
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That's what we love about you, Emerson.

(Which reminds me: It's probably too much to use "straightforward" twice in a single grant proposal, right? Yeah, that's what I thought.)


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 7:59 PM
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Um, I only just now realized that 70 was an OD joke rather than some comment on transparent. How strange that I assumed this blog would leap for the sex rather than the drugs.


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 8:01 PM
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I read the article just to find out what Witt was taking about. Bad Witt!

One commenter, a self-proclaimed escort, says the article is bullshit. More interestingly, she suggests that it's a common fantasy that (some) women have. I'd always assumed that the target of an article like that was men, so it's interesting to think about how an article like that could be women.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 8:01 PM
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73: standpipe says your first instinct was correct, over on his other blog.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 8:07 PM
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An article can't be "women", Walt. "Women" is a noun.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 8:08 PM
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Sure, an article isn't "women". But it's interesting to think about how it could be, Sifu.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 8:09 PM
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77 is women stupidest thing I've ever read.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 8:09 PM
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How can I be expected to make sense when there are so many starving children in the world?


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 8:10 PM
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South Dakotan playing basketball for Russia.

"I like the harsh climate and flat, treeless steppe", she explains.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 8:12 PM
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Obama's VP choice leaked!

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Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 8:15 PM
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Man, I could really stand to get a good rankling right now.

max
['I suspect that the movie Whore is probably a more accurate representation than the Radar article.']


Posted by: max | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 8:15 PM
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There is something to be said for freckled red-heads.

Something to be said? Nay, everything to be said.


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 8:17 PM
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81: Never get let down by someone new.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 8:19 PM
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Boy, the story below the link in 81 is infuriating:

After former Pakistan president Pervez Musharraf on Tuesday declared that he had no plans to flee to some other country and wished to stay in his home country for the rest of his life calling Pakistan as his "first love", Washington changed its earlier stand and said that it was ready to consider his asylum bid, if any.

According to the Daily Times, a US State Department spokesman said that though so far the US had not got any asylum application from Musharraf, but will study it and might consider it, if made by the ex-president.

I suppose in the long run it's not a very important story, as I imagine it would never happen in a million years, but that something like that is even considered by Rice and the rest of the State Department is really a perfect example of just how broken the people in this administration are. In case you forgot, last week we ruled in court that a guy who gave Osama bin Laden a ride in his car has to spend the rest of his life in solitary confinement. On the other hand, a brutal dictator who allowed bin Laden to hide in Pakistan after murdering 3,000 Americans will be offered tips on where the good schools are.

Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 8:20 PM
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The first time I saw that video, I thought it must be a parody of the real video, like Alanis Morrisette's video for "My Humps".


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 8:20 PM
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Don't try to change the subject from the fact that you made me read about happy hookers, Witt. You are the patriarchy's best friend.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 8:21 PM
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You know what's totally not infuriating? Arugula. I just had some, to make sure, and nope. Not infuriating at all.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 8:26 PM
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Arugula is one of the best pizza toppings there is. Discuss.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 8:27 PM
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Neither happy nor a hooker if I read the first page right, Walt. (No, I didn't go past that.)

You know what's totally not infuriating? Arugula.

Except if you're John McCain's spokesman.


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 8:27 PM
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Except if you're John McCain's spokesman.

He'll come around when results indicate he's anemic.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 8:28 PM
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I'm holding out for the introduction of the McArugula Salad.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 8:32 PM
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Olbermann just said something about how Obama picked his VP and there will be a text message announcing "his name" (emphasis mine). So sexist.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 8:33 PM
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For the rest of the evening my name will be Violetta.

I'm sorry. I'd laugh if a hooker told me her name was "Violetta." "Ha, ha," I'd say. "Darling Violetta! Are you Bela Lugosi's mistress or are you a member of the band responsible for the theme to Angel?"

(I thought this was funny: Thread Of Counterfeit XKCD cartoons. Some of them are even better than the originals.)


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 8:38 PM
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Arugula is one of the best pizza toppings there is. Discuss.

Correct!


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 8:43 PM
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I'm sorry. I'd laugh if a hooker told me her name was "Violetta."

With a name like that, she will fast be outcast from her castle with nary a friend!


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 9:07 PM
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52 worst article ever.

Incredibly rich young women can meet incredibly rich young men and exchange sex for money!!! I fail to see why the madam needs to be involved.


Posted by: peter | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 9:18 PM
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39: Yeah, but $13 gallon of goat milk = 1 pound of chevre, which is pretty damn cheap.


Posted by: Chopper | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 9:18 PM
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Arugula is awesome. I'd bet good money that John McCain agrees.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 9:41 PM
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Arugula!


Posted by: Kobe | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 9:42 PM
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My friends, arugula is not a green we can believe in.


Posted by: John McCain | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 11:35 PM
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Give it to me straight, John.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 11:46 PM
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Huh. Kevin Drum is leaving Washinton Monthly to go blog at Mother Jones, and Hilzoy and Steve Benen are taking over his old digs.


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71 to 102


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103: what! That's... I think it's awesome?

I'm so confused.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 11:49 PM
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Kevin Drum at MOTHER JONES? What the hell is up with this (mixed-up, crazy) world?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 11:50 PM
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This has been reported previously, people.

Yeah, I know, Drum at Mother Jones.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 11:55 PM
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Steve Benen and Hilzoy are going to make WM formidable.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 08-21-08 11:59 PM
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I think Hilzoy said she's just going to be cross-posting at both ObWi and WM, a secondary role to Benen. Still.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 08-22-08 12:03 AM
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It's like ... it's like ... if Ogged started posting at WM! Oh.

I mean, like if sauselgy left the Atlantic! Or if McMegan moved to, um. Or if. Uh.

Actually I have no idea.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 08-22-08 12:08 AM
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Mother Jones is not as doctrinaire as is popularly imagined. I think the one non-negotiable issue is support for organized labor*, an issue on which Drum takes a pretty orthodox liberal stance (and not for reasons of political correctness--he has obviously given a lot of thought to it).

*exceptions permitted for corrupt or racist unions


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 08-22-08 3:40 AM
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Study Says 'Gaydar' Is Real
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Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 08-22-08 5:07 AM
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"Better than chance"! Science!


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 08-22-08 5:53 AM
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Hmm, photographs self-selected by individuals to be used in internet ads or to be put on a social networking site; what could go wrong with that?


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08-22-08 6:11 AM
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Men have a greater presence on the Internet than women? That sounds a little... dubious.


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 08-22-08 7:19 AM
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I don't understand why anyone feels the need to spend money finding out what any of us could tell him.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 08-22-08 7:30 AM
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94: Violetta is a very famous call girl name, cf. La Traviata!


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 08-22-08 7:35 AM
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Hey now! My sil's name is Violetta.


Posted by: Will | Link to this comment | 08-22-08 7:38 AM
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Gaydar is useless in Wobegon, I think. Mine isn't so good but it goes off pretty often, both for men and for women. Part of it is that people are so inept and indifferent about impression management that they don't know what they're projecting.

I do know two actually gay guys here, and they would be picked out by most people here, being well-mannered, well groomed, well-dressed, intereste din cooking, etc.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 08-22-08 7:58 AM
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I don't understand why anyone feels the need to spend money finding out what any of us could tell him.

Well, the interesting finding to me was that there was relatively little difference in accuracy from 50 milliseconds to ten seconds, but a statistically significant difference between 33 milliseconds and 50 milliseconds. Apparently, it takes at least 50 milliseconds for the gay-ping to travel up the optic nerve to the brain.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 08-22-08 8:12 AM
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Gaydar is useless in Wobegon, I think.

Because so many people use gaydar detectors, maybe?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 08-22-08 8:13 AM
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Ben,

I must be blind, because the person in the photo doesn't appear to be either freckled or a redhead.

Now there is some might fine logic!

Because full blown red-heads are so rare one needs to be on the lookup for hints of it. Many times photos blur some of the hints.

Shoot, movie stars routinely hide their freckles with makeup which I find totally stupid and totally old-fashioned but they don't care. Why hide freckles?

And on the subject of Drum and Mother Jones - if the general take is that he is not good enough that is wrong. He is good enough. If the general take is that he is not left enough - well, that depends. We all know the shift to the right has made us in the middle be on the left. So what is left 'enough?'

I've stood up for Drum before and I know it is irritating when I disagree with people and then I'm right but really, what would you have me do?

If you need to be wrong then I will make this bold prediction. This year the Minnesota Vikings will finally win the Super Bowl! That's right. Bet on it!!

I figure if I'm gonna be wrong I might as well be obscenely happy about it.


Posted by: Tripp | Link to this comment | 08-22-08 8:35 AM
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Violetta is a very famous call girl name, cf. La Traviata!

"Ha, ha!" Violetta would tell me. "You boorish person with your silly pop songs and your silly TV shows. You cannot afford me!"


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 08-22-08 8:36 AM
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If you need ME to be wrong . . .


Posted by: Tripp | Link to this comment | 08-22-08 8:37 AM
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Apparently, it takes at least 50 milliseconds for the gay-ping to travel up the optic nerve to the brain.

Now, see, that is really cool.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 08-22-08 8:51 AM
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Once I replace my optic nerves with Monster Cable, I'll be able to spot teh gay before they even enter the room.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 08-22-08 9:06 AM
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119: I remember Bave saying that gaydar is also useless in Salt Lake City, or at least on the BYU campus. That makes a lot of sense to me.

I don't have very good gaydar, but I do have excellent Christiandar. You know those guys who hang out at cafés with a large book under their arms, looking around all the time but not seeming to be perving on anyone? Christians. They also tend to have out-of-date haircuts and a slightly stiff gait. Sometimes large-eyed wire-rimmed glasses. NO ONE KNOWS WHY.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 08-22-08 9:12 AM
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126: And then the gaydar detectors will be upgraded with fiber-optics and the arms race continues!


Posted by: Tripp | Link to this comment | 08-22-08 9:16 AM
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I'm not sure "Christiandar" is a neologism that needs to exist, AWB. In fact, I think we're quite better off without it.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 08-22-08 9:20 AM
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I have pretty good Mormondar, though.


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 08-22-08 9:25 AM
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I have moderately good lezdar. Unfortunately it triggers my "wow she's really got that certain something I could totally fall in love with" response instead of the "I bet she's a lesbian" response. Fully half the women I find genuinely interesting in terms of serious relationship potential turn out to be lesbians. And no, they aren't just faking it to get rid of me - the evidence is unambiguous. It could be that my expressing an interest *causes* lesbianism, OTOH.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 08-22-08 9:25 AM
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131: Preach it, brother.


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 08-22-08 9:30 AM
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I'm not sure "Christiandar" is a neologism that needs to exist

X-dar? Jeezdar?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 08-22-08 9:33 AM
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133: I vote for X-dar. It sounds like such a super power that way.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 08-22-08 9:34 AM
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I have an unerring sense of when the local NPR station is about to play a Dar Williams song. What should I call this?


Posted by: peter | Link to this comment | 08-22-08 9:34 AM
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Speaking of lesbians, Rachel Maddow.

My son's cousin from Idaho Falls says he can spot a Mormon two blocks away. He himself was Mormon up to age 10 or so.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 08-22-08 9:34 AM
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131/32: I too like women with short hair and glasses.


Posted by: peter | Link to this comment | 08-22-08 9:37 AM
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X-dar? Jeezdar?

(Under the breath) "I smell... fish."


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08-22-08 9:40 AM
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133: I vote for X-dar. It sounds like such a super power that way.

How about Xsidar? Yeah, I know the Greek letter is Chi but Chidar sounds cheesy. Besides, Chi is pronounced Xsi, at least in my frat.

Xsidar is kewl.


Posted by: Tripp | Link to this comment | 08-22-08 9:41 AM
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XTREME cider!


Posted by: peter | Link to this comment | 08-22-08 9:42 AM
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This one is actually pretty cool.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 08-22-08 9:42 AM
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Wrong thread.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 08-22-08 9:43 AM
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You know those guys who hang out at cafés with a large book under their arms, looking around all the time but not seeming to be perving on anyone? Christians. They also tend to have out-of-date haircuts …

For the last time, I'm NOT Christian.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 08-22-08 10:41 AM
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Kotsko pervs, but he's Christian. The theory is unempirical and void.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 08-22-08 10:45 AM
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141: singing in a western M!!!^achusetts swamp. Hmm... maybe if I change my state to "Buttachusetts" godtube won't correct my spelling.

Will they never learn.


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 08-22-08 10:50 AM
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144: I think they all actually are. All the Christian dudes I knew who haunted the coffeeshops in Cleveland were always trying to get all the hot Chinese girls to join his impromptu Bible study.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 08-22-08 10:50 AM
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I had a quibble about the reporting of the study that John expressed infinitely more pithily than I could:

"Better than chance"! Science!

Gaydar is useless in Paris. (Alternatively, Parisian men are all gay.) I went to a gay bar in Paris, and the men looked exactly the same as all Parisian men.)


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 08-22-08 10:51 AM
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143: ... but not seeming to be perving on anyone?

For the last time, I'm NOT Christian.

Why would we think otherwise?


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08-22-08 10:54 AM
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I don't perv on anyone in coffeeshops.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 08-22-08 10:57 AM
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Ben's just being modest. He's Christian where it counts.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 08-22-08 10:57 AM
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149 is like claiming "I never masturbate."


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 08-22-08 11:00 AM
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Gaydar is useless in Paris.

OTOH, the capacity to distinguish between biological females and really convincing trannies is useful bordering on indispensable.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 08-22-08 11:00 AM
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Maybe Ben doesn't frequent coffeeshops.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 08-22-08 11:03 AM
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To make up for the discrepancy, I masturbate in coffeeshop bathrooms.

Ok, DS? Is that what you wanted to hear? God.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 08-22-08 11:05 AM
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Gaydar is useless in Paris. (Alternatively, Parisian men are all gay.) I went to a gay bar in Paris, and the men looked exactly the same as all Parisian men.)

Hey- quit stealing my gig. It's like you never heard of eurofags.


Posted by: John Derbyshire | Link to this comment | 08-22-08 11:10 AM
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154 has put the universe right again.


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