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Racist.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 4:41 PM
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Have we any sense of decency left?


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 4:42 PM
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Did this post completely change, or am I going crazy? Or was that supposed to be some clever and subtle political statement, Obama=change?


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 4:48 PM
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I'm TiVoing it, so no spoilers.


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 4:49 PM
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Moon landing, baby. I remember it well.


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 4:50 PM
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What about when that episode of The Simpsons that was followed by the premiere of the video for Michael Jackson's "Black or White"? That was a pretty epochal moment too.


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 4:54 PM
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My six-year-old son loves Obama. And while he's* likely trying to curry favor with me, he's still going to grow up thinking that it's normal for a black man to be the Democratic nominee for president. This stuff brings tears to my eyes every time I think about it.

And yes, I think about what it would have meant for the nation had Senator Clinton, or any other woman really, been the Democratic nominee. And I hope that day will come soon.

* My son, not Obama, who really should spend more of his time trying to suck up to me.


Posted by: ari | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 4:54 PM
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My eight year old liked Obama, too. Then his friend at school told him that Obama wanted to kill babies (Catholic school) and he claims to have changed his mind. I'm not sure he has, though. Good thing eight year olds don't vote.


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 5:15 PM
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Voting for someone because of your false belief that their opponent wants to kill babies is better than a lot of real reasons people vote.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 5:17 PM
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It is odd. A black man as a Presidential candidate doesn't feel special to me, which I guess is a good thing overall.

The Berlin wall coming down, now that seemed pretty unbelievable to me. Maybe it is because I was not following politics at the time and believed all the pumped up rhetoric about the Soviet Union even after it started decaying internally. I remember reading a Heinlein article where he said the USSR was dieing - he had been there and saw it but I didn't really believe him at the time.


Posted by: Tripp | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 5:28 PM
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I'm just hoping I have the willpower to avoid reading the excerpts from Obama's speech before he gives it. Who knew TPM was all SPOILERZ!


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 5:38 PM
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11: spoilers, AWB? A speech is its delivery. Would you feel a song had been spoiled if you read its lyrics in advance?


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 5:43 PM
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Voting for someone because of your false belief that their opponent wants to kill babies is better than a lot of real reasons people vote.

And here I thought you would be pro-choice. Go figure.


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 5:45 PM
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12: I'm writing a dissertation about political rhetoric, so, yeah, its spoilers for me.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 5:46 PM
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14: I'm not sure I understand how that follows, AWB. Also.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 5:49 PM
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Good thing eight year olds don't vote.

I wonder if it would make a difference. I bet the taller, better looking guy who promised to give out the most cookies would win most of the time.


Posted by: lurky lou | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 5:50 PM
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I watched the M. Obama and thought if she becomes a regular public figure, Sarah Jones could take a regular part on SNL. Unity.


I keep imagining Barack having stage fright and just lip synching over David Sedaris.


Posted by: Zippy Econolicious | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 5:54 PM
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I watched the M. Obama and thought if she becomes a regular public figure, Sarah Jones could take a regular part on SNL. Unity.


I keep imagining Barack having stage fright and just lip synching over David Sedaris.


Posted by: Zippy Econolicious | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 5:55 PM
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I bet the taller, better looking guy who promised to give out the most cookies would win most of the time.

And that would be different how?


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 5:56 PM
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Tim Kaine's Spanish is pretty bad.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 6:05 PM
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19: Tangible benefits, mostly.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 6:07 PM
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I'm really looking forward to John Lewis. He's a hell of a speaker.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 6:16 PM
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22: He spoke a long time ago.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 6:17 PM
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(...and was very good.) Stevie Wonder up next!


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 6:18 PM
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23: Harrumph. NPR made it sound like he was tonight. I'll go watch it online.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 6:20 PM
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Here's the schedule for tonight.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 6:22 PM
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Why is the Indian from the Village People playing tambourine for Stevie? And is it just me, or is Stevie sounding pretty weak?


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 6:28 PM
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It's the longest and most boring song ever, I'm sad to say.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 6:29 PM
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Having a giant backup-singer group is a pretty common ploy of singers whose voices can't carry a song anymore.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 6:29 PM
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That's more like it.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 6:30 PM
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I'm going to go listen to Fulfillingness' First Finale for a while and think nicer thoughts about Stevie's voice. He sounds like maybe he's on some pain meds or something; his patter isn't making a ton of sense.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 6:33 PM
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Al!


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 6:38 PM
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I feel an urge for a Happy Day. Hillow Hammet, I think.

Followed by a bunch of Staples.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 6:39 PM
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Al Gore is doing a great job.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 6:47 PM
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Yeah, he is.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 6:49 PM
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Gore was basically doing his own version of this.

I like his tie.


Posted by: Matt F | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 6:50 PM
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That's a dirty hippie song they're playing.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 6:53 PM
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Preach it, Al !


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 6:54 PM
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Gore was basically doing his own version of this.
Heh. Pretty good, but we already decided counterfactual President Al invades Iraq anyway. We just can't decide when, before or after 9/11.


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 6:55 PM
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I'm a little sketchy on my history, but did Al just come out against the annexation of California?


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 7:00 PM
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OMG, yes. Mavis Staples Have a Little Faith and We'll Never Turn Back hit the desperate optimism spot tonight.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 7:00 PM
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Whose terrible idea was having Michael McDonald sing this?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 7:00 PM
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36: Jimmy Carter's rosy-red Georgia-peach-picking ass

I love that piece. I just picture Carter reading it over his morning coffee and snickering to himself.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 7:01 PM
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I like Ike.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 7:09 PM
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Why do we have troops in Djibouti? (I mean that, but feel free to make the required jokes.)


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 7:13 PM
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Somali pirate patrol


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 7:14 PM
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Sorry. 46 to 45. With the failed states in the horn of Africa, it has become a haven for pirates. There is an international naval patrol of those seas to try to combat them.


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 7:16 PM
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Ah, right. Thanks, TLL.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 7:19 PM
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Go Teamsters!


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 7:21 PM
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"You know how many people we buried in concrete in this very stadium? Don't cross us, motherfuckers. Buy Union."


Posted by: Matt F | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 7:23 PM
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Is this the Obama speech thread? When is he talking? I'm really beat and have no patience to sift around trying to figure it out. My roommate is not terribly interested, and is watching some program about lions and gazelles on the veldt over there in the room with the television, so while I've asked him to give me a shout-out, I have doubts about this happening.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 7:25 PM
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51: 10:15 EDT, I think.


Posted by: Gabriel | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 7:27 PM
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I've asked him to give me a shout-out

Obama? That's impressive.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 7:29 PM
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Has anyone seen a list of the retired generals and admirals that were on stage a minute ago? Wes Clark was one, but the others . . .? The DNC site is unhelpful.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 7:30 PM
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Pam is harshing my mellow, man.


Posted by: Matt F | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 7:31 PM
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I don't think Wes was there - Obama told him to bug off.


Posted by: OOTB | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 7:32 PM
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I LOVE PAM.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 7:33 PM
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No, Wes Clark was definitely there on stage a minute ago. Sort of weird that he isn't speaking, though.


Posted by: Matt F | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 7:33 PM
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56: Wrong.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 7:34 PM
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I do so love seeing the variety of peoples as they pan the crowd. That's America!


Posted by: OOTB | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 7:34 PM
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56: Yeah, Matt (and I!) are right. Wes was totally there.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 7:35 PM
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Chiasmus! Or whatever the hell that's called.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 7:35 PM
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OK - Wes was there if you say so. Good. Too bad he didn't speak but good.


Posted by: OOTB | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 7:36 PM
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That's America!

I.e., carefully managed by the marketing geniuses.


Posted by: Not Prince Hamlet | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 7:36 PM
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Bruce!


Posted by: OOTb | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 7:36 PM
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62: Yes!


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 7:37 PM
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Crikies - the marketing geinuses control the camera pans?


Posted by: OOTb | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 7:38 PM
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64: While cynicism is in general warranted, marketers have no control over 1) who's elected as a delegate; 2) who got into this rally; or 3) what camera angles PBS (or whomever you're watching) chooses.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 7:38 PM
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54: Air Force Maj. Gen. J. Scott Gration (Ret)


Posted by: Econolicious | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 7:38 PM
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Ray is 14


Posted by: OOTB | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 7:39 PM
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69: Yeah, his is the one name listed. I was wondering about the backup folks standing behind him.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 7:40 PM
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68. But the director sure does, and will make every effort to make sure to deliver a "rainbow".


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 7:40 PM
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Anthony McPeak, Joe Sestak.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 7:41 PM
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TLL -"the director" doesn't exist I believe. The camara feed if under the control of one of the networks or cable dubes


Posted by: OOTb | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 7:42 PM
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Oh hell - they're dancing again.


Posted by: OOTb | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 7:44 PM
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73: Ah. I was particularly interested in a retired admiral who had on a navy blazer and a striped shirt, had floppy hair and wire-frame glasses -- very WASPy, looked like he should be holding a G&T. I didn't catch his name.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 7:45 PM
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74. I'm not watching, but surely each news organization has its own camera people, and there is a director for each in those trailers out back choosing which shot goes out over the airwaves.


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 7:45 PM
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oudemia jonesing on the admiral?


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 7:46 PM
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So this is what Obama means by improving our image abroad: showing the world that we're nothing more than the dorkiest dance party ever.


Posted by: destroyer | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 7:47 PM
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78: I like tall WASPs, what can I say?


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 7:48 PM
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What would Jesus do.... for a klondike Bar?


Posted by: OOTB | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 7:48 PM
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80: That is a joke. (Well, no, that is true. But.) I think I might have met him.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 7:49 PM
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I understood that there was just one feed.

Obama soon.


Posted by: OOTB | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 7:50 PM
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When will the name "Dick" finally vanish from the stage of American public life?


Posted by: Dick Moniker | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 7:54 PM
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surely each news organization has its own camera people

We were flipping back and forth between CSPAN and MSNBC and the feed was identical, so I don't know.


Posted by: Matt F | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 7:56 PM
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If you had nerves on the inside of your blood vessels would you feel wet inside?


Posted by: OOTB | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 7:56 PM
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85: I read somewhere that Fox (!!!) was in control of the feed for everyone.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 7:57 PM
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87 - I read that as well.


Posted by: OOTB | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 7:59 PM
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There is one feed. It is controlled by Fox. I don't know who the floppy-haired officer was. Stop with the questions, okay?


Posted by: ari | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:04 PM
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ari knows!


Posted by: OOTB | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:05 PM
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89: ari, you are just jealous and will not tell me who he was!!!!


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:05 PM
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Damn - thats a lot of flashbulbs.


Posted by: OOTB | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:05 PM
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Jesus, that long shot.


Posted by: Gabriel | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:06 PM
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In that video, the "current" footage of Michelle reminded me a lot of Reese Witherspoon. Never noticed that before; it was some of her facial expressions and mannerisms that really triggered it.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:07 PM
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Okay people, shut the hell up.


Posted by: Gabriel | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:07 PM
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His lapel pin looks suspiciously narrow.


Posted by: OOTB | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:08 PM
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OMG - He's black!!!!!!


Posted by: OOTB | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:10 PM
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96: Red, black, and green! You know what I mean!


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:10 PM
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Hear me now, officer corps, no man, no matter how well armed or floppy haired, will stand between me and oudemia. Mark my words.


Posted by: ari | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:10 PM
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Woooooooooot.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:12 PM
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Seriously - I love this guy.


Posted by: OOTB | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:13 PM
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Looks like he's standing in front of Chinese bamboo screens. I was promised a Greek temple!


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:15 PM
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Japaneese bamboo - keep it straight Spike.


Posted by: OOTB | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:17 PM
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102: A pagan sex temple! Cult of Cybele type stuff!


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:17 PM
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"Eight is enough"? Does he really want to raise the specter of Dick Van Patten?


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:17 PM
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Michelle continues to be hawt.


Posted by: OOTB | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:17 PM
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103: Invented in Japan, yes, but everything's made in China these days...


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:18 PM
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I guess I'm a bad, bad person and a bad Democrat. I got bored. I'd flip to a rerun of Buffy or something equally uplifting and inspiring, but there's nothing on. So I guess I'll go read some trashy science fiction.

I guess I don't understand the pont of watching a speech which isn't going to tell me anything I didn't already know.


Posted by: Michael H Schneider | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:18 PM
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"Eight is enough"? Seriously?


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:18 PM
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Holy genius.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:20 PM
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This is a small criticism, but Jill Biden is not a great clapper.


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:20 PM
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I'm really surprised that Obama decided that he would be the one to deliver the strongest attacks of the convention.

It's a happy surprise -- it's good to know that he isn't so scared of being cast as a "scary black man" to stop him from hitting hard when he wants to.


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:20 PM
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There are a lot of apocryphal Americans getting shout-outs in this speech.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:21 PM
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108: You mean both read and watch the speech right? No reason not to do both, certainly I am.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:23 PM
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that "celebrity" line was niiiiiice....


Posted by: lurker | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:23 PM
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108
I'm old - I've been through and been aware of conventions since 1960. They've been a special end of summer process every 4 years since forever. The process no longer holds any suspense but it still is a time when we get a clear view of who these people are.

And this one is special - our country has selected a BLACK man as the nominee of one of the major parties. It is a special thing. Wake up Michael.


Posted by: OOTB | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:26 PM
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I don't think that we'll be independent of Middle Eastern oil in 10 years--much as I''d like it.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:27 PM
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117: He says through "Clean Coal"... me no likey.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:28 PM
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OK, she is a coastal "elite,*" but my elderly white mother is WHIRLY EYED right now.

*Lower-to-middle middle class. But right on the beach!


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:29 PM
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Clean coaol was endorsed by Al Gore - I don't know. Is is real or not?


Posted by: OOTB | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:29 PM
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The sections of this speech are interesting- it's like he's taken all the criticisms that have been floating around the last month and spitting on them one by one.
You think I'm a celebrity? Here's my life story rising from poverty, suckers.
You think I don't offer enough specifics of what I'd do? Here's my policy, bitches.
You think were going too soft on McCain? Here's the red meat, dumbass.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:31 PM
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120 - OK - coal

I am welsh


Posted by: OOTB | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:31 PM
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116: you're not old. You're my age.

Yes, he's black. And he delivers great speech. And he's making all kinds of wonderful (if, in part, vague) noises about how we'll make this country better. Yes, he's far, far better than McCain (but so is Richard Nixon, and I hated him deeply)

I don't see the point in having a shared experience as audience. If I can actually do something, fine, I'll do it. But if participation in the US political process means listening to the (mostly) same speech over and over again for decades - why bother?


Posted by: Michael H Schneider | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:32 PM
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120: For all I know, Clean Coal may be fine from a carbon perspective. But its the blowing tops off of mountains I object to.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:32 PM
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122: Shout-out to the Welsh! My last name is Williams...


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:33 PM
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f John McCain wants to have a debate about who has the temperament, and judgment, to serve as the next Commander-in-Chief, that's a debate I'm ready to have.

I would have preferred that's a debate I'm ready to win, but still good, and maybe that feeds the presumptuous meme?


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:36 PM
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I hate this bit about how Iraq needs to pay for its own reconstruction. We trash the place and then present them with the bill.


Posted by: PGD | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:36 PM
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127: Yeah, but were broke and they aren't.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:37 PM
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123

OK - I see what you mean. I can still allow myself to be swept away by the moment. If I were a bit more cynical (which, given the evidence I probably should be) I would where you are. On the other hand - I am enjoying his speech.


Posted by: OOTB | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:38 PM
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PGD, do you favor maintaining anything close to our current level of Iraq-related expenditures? If not, what do you mean? He didn't blame the Iraqis for anything, he said we should spend less money there.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:38 PM
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I'm sorry to hear that tax "relief" has entered into common parlance, even amongst Democrats (not an Obama-specific criticism, btw).


Posted by: Mary Catherine | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:39 PM
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Jones = me


Posted by: OOTB | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:39 PM
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128: we're certainly not broke. And even if we were, we could just stop spending so much on occupying Iraq.

But I have to say the foreign policy section was really, really effective and well done though.

(Didn't like the curb Russian aggression/stand up for Georgia bit, and other stealth shout-outs to American hegemony, but what can you expect).


Posted by: PGD | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:41 PM
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129: If you enjoy it, have fun.

Personally, my taste runs more towards paperbacks with pictures of scantily clad barbarian princesses, of the impossibly buxom yet incredibly bouyant variety. And dragons. Or old mystery stories.

(I follow my whimsey)


Posted by: Michael H Schneider | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:42 PM
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"Of the ten most common surnames in Britain, six are of Welsh origin. Jones, being the second most common name in Britain, is followed by Williams in third place, Davies in sixth place, and Evans and Thomas in eighth and ninth places respectively. Roberts, which is ranked tenth is also of Welsh origin."

wikipedia


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:44 PM
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When he said McCain wanted the election to be about small things, I suddenly noticed that he was wearing a flag pin.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:44 PM
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Or old mystery stories.

(I follow my whimsey)

Isn't the motto of the Wimsey family, "Where my whimsy takes me"?


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134

G RR Martin then.

As Gower said:
Nay, that's right; but why wear you your leek today?
Saint Davy's day is past.


Posted by: OOTB | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:46 PM
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Ok, he's starting to cook now...


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:48 PM
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OOTB, are you spying on me? I'm reading Feast of Crows while watching.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:48 PM
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He's good.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:51 PM
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I've been waiting for 2 years for the next volume. Lucky you in that Dance of Dragons should be out soon.\

Arrrrrgh


Posted by: OOTB | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:51 PM
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The music is killing the vibe.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:52 PM
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fireworks > balloons


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:52 PM
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143: Brooks & Dunn, baby.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:52 PM
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I suppose it' a good thing that our potential elected representatives are pretty people.


Posted by: OOTB | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:52 PM
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where chauvinism just IS patriotism...only in America...


Posted by: lurker | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:53 PM
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Yeah, they need more fireworks. They should pull a Beijing.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:53 PM
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"As My Whimsy Takes Me."


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:53 PM
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144: Jim Lehrer made a point of noting the lack of balloons, blaming the lack of a ceiling. Who the fuck cares, man?


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:53 PM
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it' = it's


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Ok, thats more like it.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:54 PM
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Fireworks! Cue fireworks! Where the fuck are the fucking fireworks!!!


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:54 PM
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137: It is indeed.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:54 PM
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Is this the soundtrack to The Patriot?


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:55 PM
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Yea, Beijing kind of puts anything the dems do in a shadow. Commies!


Posted by: OOTB | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:55 PM
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Oh, there are the fireworks.

Now I feel like I'm watching an Aaron Sorkin movie, only more implausible.


Posted by: Gabriel | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:55 PM
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I mean what rfts said.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:56 PM
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149: Yes! Thanks, rfts!


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:56 PM
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Michelle!!!


Posted by: OOTB | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:56 PM
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This was superb. Right down to the country music to finish. Strong, optimistic, tough, hit the values buttons...excellent. He even excels at delivering the standard policy laundry-list sections of these speeches.

PGD, do you favor maintaining anything close to our current level of Iraq-related expenditures? If not, what do you mean?

Minor issue, but the "Iraqi surplus" thing is inside baseball for replacing U.S. reconstruction aid with Iraqi spending. I think we owe the Iraqis reconstruction aid.


Posted by: PGD | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:57 PM
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I'm so happy that I might finally see one of my peeps in the White House: Michelle is almost 6' tall. Woo! Hoo!


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:57 PM
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I'd rather see him go for McCain's throat. I'd like to have seen a speech that reflects my anger. But at least on MSNBC, Olbermann and Matthews are goinng berserk in support of Obama. It's freaky.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:58 PM
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I feel like someone hit the wrong track on this CD.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:58 PM
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Pretty good, I think. Not that it makes any difference to me, I'd vote for Beavis or Butthead over McCain.


Posted by: Biohazard | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:58 PM
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162: Heightist.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:58 PM
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Seriously, that speech? Fuck yeah.


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:58 PM
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Preacher has a distracting lisp.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 8:59 PM
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Preacher has a distracting lisp.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 9:00 PM
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165

I'd vote for zombie Eisenhower over McCaijn!


Posted by: OOTB | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 9:00 PM
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"Tonight, Americans witnessed a misleading speech that was so fundamentally at odds with the meager record of Barack Obama. When the temple comes down, the fireworks end, and the words are over, the facts remain: Senator Obama still has no record of bipartisanship, still opposes offshore drilling, still voted to raise taxes on those making just $42,000 per year, and still voted against funds for American troops in harm's way. The fact remains: Barack Obama is still not ready to be President."


Posted by: Republican Asshat | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 9:01 PM
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David Brooks was underwhelmed. Less emotional than he needed! Mistake to be outside! David Brooks has spoken. TV: now off.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 9:01 PM
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Olbermann and Matthews are goinng berserk

They sure are.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 9:02 PM
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172: Yes, David Brooks tells me that the average American will be hugely put off by that speech! Thank you and good night, says Mr Teddy Bear Button Eyes.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 9:03 PM
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166: Dwarf.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 9:03 PM
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Weaksauce cheerleading, Pelosi.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 9:03 PM
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I'd rather see him go for McCain's throat.

I thought the attacks on McCain were very good and also pretty tough.

All the youth/optimism/energy/future stuff was also a good implicit contrast with McCain.


Posted by: PGD | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 9:04 PM
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Jon Stewart is on fire.


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 9:04 PM
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Obama - Fuck yea!

Or somthing - I'm not good at this.


Posted by: OOTB | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 9:05 PM
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AWB is apparently right about the soundtrack!


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 9:06 PM
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178: Jon Stewart? Where's Jon Stewart?


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 9:07 PM
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Was I imagining things or did we get a close up on Bitch?

I didn't like his stated refusal to question the sincerity of McCain's policies, but the rest was good.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 9:07 PM
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THat was awesome.


Posted by: Chopper | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 9:08 PM
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I'm smirking at the idea of David Brooks moving the goal posts about a speech delivered on a fucking football field.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 9:08 PM
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Jon Stewart? Where's Jon Stewart?

On Comedy Central!


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 9:09 PM
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I thought the speech was meh, actually.

Just kidding! It was a fantastic speech, obviously, and brilliantly constructed. The first ten minutes or so I did find a bit flat, but: it was moving toward, and building up, to something.

As a tv viewer, I think they shouldn't have switched into 'movie set' mode at the end (the music and fireworks and etc): looked too much like the spectacle of empire that reminds me of the scary America, and I thought it took away from the power of the oratory.

But: Brooks is a wanker, and it was an excellent speech.


Posted by: Mary Catherine | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 9:10 PM
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Someone on C-SPAN wants to write Romney in!


Posted by: destroyer | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 9:11 PM
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180: Really? I never saw that movie.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 9:11 PM
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"Every time Barack Obama speaks, an angel has an orgasm."


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 9:12 PM
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"Everytime Barack Obama speaks, an angel has an orgasm."


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 9:12 PM
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Jinx!


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 9:12 PM
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I thought the attacks on McCain were very good and also pretty tough.

Not bad, I agree - but you can see that part of the strategy of this convention was to lower expectations on truth-telling. Compared to the rest of the convention, Obama was tough. Compared to the crimes of the Bush administration - the crimes that McCaini is proud of supporting - Obama's speech was a bit weak.

But that's not really a gripe. I'm satisfied for tonight at least that Obama knows more about this stuff than I do. And if he doesn't want to talk about torture or due process or McCain's cynical flip-flops, then maybe that's the way to go.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 9:13 PM
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Oudemia: I am a tall WASP. Or a bald-faced liar. Or, if you are very lucky, both.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 9:13 PM
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"...and in the words of Scripture hold firmly, without wavering, to the hope that we confess."


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 9:14 PM
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How can two people have thought of that joke at the same time? Alien subversion? Obama subliminally planted that meme in the speech?


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 9:14 PM
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193: That's the way I like 'em, baby. Arrogant? Formerly coke-headed?


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 9:15 PM
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They both saw it on the Daily Show.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 9:16 PM
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Formerly? Uh, sure.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 9:16 PM
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195: The text messages! They control me! (No, The Daily Show.)


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 9:16 PM
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198 -> 196.

197: But who planted it on the Daily Show, the Obama campaign's subliminal message team? Or the aliens?


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 9:17 PM
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Seriously, people -- Obama FTW. For. The. Win.


Posted by: NCProsecutor | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 9:18 PM
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CSPAN has really odd callers. How does that work?


Posted by: OOTB | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 9:18 PM
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Tom Brokaw is now openly mocking the Republican response.


Posted by: Gabriel | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 9:19 PM
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Wow. I took 171 to be a clever parody. That's the actual McCain statement.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 9:20 PM
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He's not that skinny - 33" waist?

Out Of The Blue


Posted by: OOTB | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 9:20 PM
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204: I thought the same.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 9:22 PM
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"The son of a black man from Kenya and a white man from Kansas."

Oh my god.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 9:23 PM
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Oh God Oh God Oh God - I can't deal with this until November. Somebody shoot me.


Posted by: OOTB | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 9:23 PM
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McCain veep announcement did not come, to attempt to steal the thunder? Good.

Actually, I don't get excited to hear that someone on my side did something awesome. And I don't get happy to hear that someone on the other side did something monumentally stupid. I only get excited to see that someone in the media is spreading memes that help my side. The only thing in this thread that made me say "Good." was 203.


Posted by: satan mayo | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 9:24 PM
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207: Barack has two daddies!


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207: Wha?


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207: That explains why they had to fake the birth certificate.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 9:29 PM
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On Comedy Central!

Uh, right. I'd checked, and they were showing some chick in her bra, which looked like an actual program rather than a commercial.

The truth is that I became bored with Obama's speech. A little surprised that he walked through the media-flogged drama of the last month or two, as SP says in 121:

The sections of this speech are interesting- it's like he's taken all the criticisms that have been floating around the last month and spitting on them one by one.

My attention began to wander until the "free from Middle East oil in 10 years" bit. I confess I was moved to talk to the television set: "What?"

I've listened to the speeches from this convention with my mother always a reference. She's the one who, though a lifelong Dem, doesn't trust Obama, 'can't say what it is, just don't trust him.' Anything that sounds like empty, grand promises, meaningless trashing of the opponent with reference to things she's not aware of, is not going to work with her. I shall have to ask her!


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 9:30 PM
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Colbert is so on.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 9:30 PM
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Jeez, this is like watching a Super Bowl post-game. People standing around and cheering.

Also, Matthews is out of his mind.


Posted by: Gabriel | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 9:32 PM
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211: Guy on CNN said it; it was the moment of Zen at the end of the Daily Show.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 9:33 PM
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Ahh. Yes. That is something of a koan.


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 9:33 PM
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I thought his speech was amazing. I have spent the last 3 days fretting about how the other speakers lacked fire and inspiration- but tonight, Obama proved he did not need assistance in getting his message across. For those of you habitual snarks, I wish for you that someday, somehow, you feel inspired.


Posted by: Fleur | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 9:36 PM
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My son's comment on McCain, while listening to audio of the introductory video: "I really don't think we should vote for another old white guy...no offense, Dad."


Posted by: Not Prince Hamlet | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 9:38 PM
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If he's sick of voting for you, install some other family member as puppet while you rule as regent.


Posted by: satan mayo | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 9:41 PM
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Also, Matthews is out of his mind.

Oh, Matthews lost his mind months (if not years) ago. And now that Hillary's out of the race, just how will he attempt to resolve his early childhood issues on national broadcast TV, and just who will serve as the organizing principle for his normally undisciplined and inchoate anxieties and angers?


Posted by: Mary Catherine | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 9:42 PM
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Have you guys been seeing this "Harry and Louise return" commercial?


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 9:44 PM
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Fleur, Fleur.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 9:45 PM
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137, 149: yep. I botched not only the motto but the spelling of the name. I blame age related diminished mental capacity. If I'm wrong in thinking that there were three mice on the family crest, don't tell me.


Posted by: Michael H Schneider | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 9:50 PM
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222: I heard about it. It's a strange group of bedfellows supporting it. Families USA (a progressive consumer organization) is involved as is the National Federation of Independent Business. The Health Care Blog did a post on this.


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Oud, that was John Hutson, I think you meant.

Schneider's commentary strikes me as not going to the Christmas service because you already know the songs.


Posted by: Nápi | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 10:03 PM
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Hey, what's up with this Silverlight shit? Is Obama trying to get me to vote for McCain?


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 10:08 PM
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I am no more immune to democratic handwringing than anyone else (well, except the $@(@$*$@( New Republic writers who feel it was needlessly risky and potentially alienating to white Americans to mention the King anniversary.), & was pretty nervous & depressed about the campaign a couple weeks ago. But I did say to my husband at one point: maybe things look bad because he's on vacation, which he's using to write a kickass speech.

also: Eight is enough?


Posted by: Katherine | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 10:32 PM
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You know what I learned tonight? I had no idea that RFK had eleven kids. Holy moly.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 10:40 PM
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228: Katherine, I can't tell from what you say whether you liked the speech or not.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 10:55 PM
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Barack Obama gets it exactly right.


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231: nice


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 11:01 PM
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yes.


Posted by: Katherine | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 11:01 PM
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Barack Obama: The heebie-geebie of meatworld.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 11:10 PM
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I just kicked down. Sigh.


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 11:16 PM
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So, which is it that impresses people the world over? Is it the heebie-geebie of our meatworld, or the meatworld of our heebie-geebie?


Posted by: My Alter Ego | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 11:28 PM
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the meatworld of our heebie-geebie?

Perv.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 11:31 PM
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Perv.

Ah, so it's the latter. Thought so.


Posted by: My Alter Ego | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 11:33 PM
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"The finale of a political convention is a little like a wedding: the bride is always radiant, and the nominee is always stirring. In an unusual turn, even Senator John McCain, the expected Republican nominee, felt compelled to pay tribute to Mr. Obama's historic milestone with a television advertisement congratulating his opponent on 'a job well done.' (No good ad goes unpunished: after Mr. McCain's spot on CNN came a Mutual of Omaha commercial about retirement plans for the elderly, and another promising to reverse baldness.)"


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 11:35 PM
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promising to reverse baldness

New attack line: Obama's ideas are *warmer*.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 08-28-08 11:46 PM
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I liked when Obama questioned McCain's "temperament". It's like the "uppity" of codger-bashing.


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 08-29-08 12:03 AM
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I liked when Obama questioned McCain's "temperament"

That was slick, yes. He'd do good to keep repeating that.


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I just read a transcript of Obama's speech, and note that it is the second which I read/heard to invoke the concept of a dream's being deferred.

This is obviously a veiled threat of terrorist violence.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 08-29-08 12:21 AM
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Or does it explode?
(rhymes with "doughy pantload"...)


Posted by: lurker | Link to this comment | 08-29-08 12:56 AM
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Iris, btw, was very taken with Susan Eisnehower's look. Turns out a smart, classic outfit can win over even the most Princess-addled among us.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 08-29-08 7:40 AM
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This is, of course, a ridiculous thing to base any political opinions on, and so I'm not, but I'm really going to enjoy eight years of seeing Obama's little girls playing in the White House. They just look like great kids. Malia particularly was doing a beautiful job of "I may be ten, but I can be as dignified as anyone when I'm on camera." She reminds me of Sally.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08-29-08 7:47 AM
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245: Buy Iris a pantsuit!


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 08-29-08 7:49 AM
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Is this the soundtrack to The Patriot?

I wondered about this, too. I thought it might be from The Postman for a moment and then I thought "Surely, no one has the balls/sense of humor to co-opt The Postman for the Obama campaign."

"There's something about you, Barack. You give out hope like it was candy."

The speech was superb. And as political theater, the spectacle was crazily, ridiculously, supercalifragilisticexpialidociously superb. Sullivan gets it right, I think.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 08-29-08 7:49 AM
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McCain veep announcement did not come, to attempt to steal the thunder? Good.

Rah mentioned that he had read speculation McCain would leak the VP pick during the speech to try to steal some thunder and I said, "There's no way he'll do that and gamble that nobody gives a shit."

I loved the "temperament" jab. I hope there's a whole team researching topics most likely to make McCain bite someone on the torso face.

Rah and I clinked glasses when Obama mentioned the queer community.

Also, I caught only a few seconds of the Daily Show on the way to bed and they were the few seconds that included the "and a white man from Kansas" line. Am I correct in reading, up-thread, that this was said by a for reals CNN guy and not as part of a bit for the show?


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 08-29-08 8:15 AM
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247: She even said, "her hair is kind of like mine."*

Oh, and in Conspiracy Theories You Never Even Suspected: [on hearing that LBJ would have turned 100 Weds., indicating that he's dead] "Maybe the same person who shot Abraham Lincoln also shot him."

* It isn't.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 08-29-08 8:22 AM
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I've been so busy I'm at least a day behind now but even so I am proud to say that I have known Chelsea was good looking all along. Can't really say that openly about a teen girl but even then she was like the quote ugly unquote girl in a teen flick who is really a pretty actress with wild hair and wearing glasses. They fix the hair and remove the glasses and, wow, what a surprise, a beauty.

For the record I've always thought Hillary was attractive too. Not that that should matter. Unless you are in politics, where it shouldn't matter but does. But it shouldn't, and we shouldn't talk about it.


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