Re: I knew it!

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Where do these lists come from- is there some right-wing organization that decides what's dirty? I read How to Eat Fried Worms as a kid and I missed the evil message- what was it? On the other hand, some are obvious. Then Again, Maybe I Won't- Wet dreams are teh Devil!


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 09- 8-08 7:11 PM
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Wow, every popular book of the last 100 years!


Posted by: Ardent reader | Link to this comment | 09- 8-08 7:11 PM
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Rousseau's Confessions, One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovitch, Silas Marner, The Merchant of Venice, and To Kill a Mockingbird? As I Lay Daying and Grendel?

I find this hard to believe.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 09- 8-08 7:12 PM
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It's true, but only for certain values of true.
http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/sarahpalin/a/banned_books.htm

However, I share those values of true. For me, it's true


Posted by: Michael H Schneider | Link to this comment | 09- 8-08 7:12 PM
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I agree with banning "My Friend Flicka", but normally people lump it together with "Sexual Personae" when they do this.


Posted by: Ardent reader | Link to this comment | 09- 8-08 7:14 PM
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to ban books! and what books
she's really a reactionary, i feel sorry for her children


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 09- 8-08 7:16 PM
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this rings true.

Which kind of ring? "Lord of the Rings" or more like cock ring?


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 09- 8-08 7:17 PM
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Which kind of ring?

The best kind!


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 09- 8-08 7:20 PM
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What tips me off is that there's no way she even knows about this many books.


Posted by: Adam Kotsko | Link to this comment | 09- 8-08 7:21 PM
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read, as the link in 4 points out, the list is a hoax.


Posted by: James B. Shearer | Link to this comment | 09- 8-08 7:23 PM
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The U.S. Anti-Doping Agency confirmed Armstrong is part of its out-of-competition testing pool and would be eligible for elite competition on Feb. 1, 2009. The Amgen Tour of California begins Feb. 14.

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Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 09- 8-08 7:25 PM
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oh really? i did not read the link in 4
good then, but my impulse control is still bad


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 09- 8-08 7:25 PM
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Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the Merriam-Webster gave it away for me.

This is not funny, Heebie.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 09- 8-08 7:44 PM
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Nah.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 09- 8-08 7:46 PM
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She wanted to ban "Editorial Staff," eh? Well, who among us hasn't.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 09- 8-08 7:46 PM
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Fuck Harry Potter. This could be Palin's (and thus, McCain's) achilles heel.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 09- 8-08 7:47 PM
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Wow, 11 really buries the lead.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 09- 8-08 7:49 PM
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This is not funny, Heebie.

Is too.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 8-08 7:50 PM
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I should say that aaaaaaaaaaaaaaathe link in 4, which indicates that list this has been circulating around the chain mail circuit, makes me very happy. It's amazing how many people seem to believe that stuff, 99.99% of which is utter bullshit. I wonder how long it will be before a relative forwards me this list, likely with some personal note added to the effect of "This is worrisome information. She seemed like such a good person. Some of these are classics. Now I wonder what to do."


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 09- 8-08 7:56 PM
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18: is not.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 09- 8-08 7:57 PM
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Fuck Harry Potter

Is this one of the titles on the banned books list?


Posted by: Mary Catherine | Link to this comment | 09- 8-08 8:07 PM
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it has the effect that next time something really worrisome about Palin comes up the simple-minded people like me wouldn't believe it
an old joke about a drowning man who liked to say like: the man was drowning and sounding off like i'm like drowning, people like help!
people thought he's kidding and he drowned
/defensive, i feel like apologizing to Palin


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 09- 8-08 8:07 PM
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The list is a hoax, but the fact that she tried to ban books from the school library is not. And I believe there have in fact been attempts to ban certain dictionaries. I'll leave it to someone to google on account of I'm on my phone.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 09- 8-08 8:07 PM
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The list is a hoax, but the fact that she tried to ban books from the school library is not.

Do we know this fact for a fact?


Posted by: Mary Catherine | Link to this comment | 09- 8-08 8:08 PM
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16: Huh. That is interesting.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 09- 8-08 8:12 PM
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24: Yes; at least, it was reported by several major news sources.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 09- 8-08 8:12 PM
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I'm under the impression that she really has tried to ban books.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 8-08 8:13 PM
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Do you guys believe the affair bit? This site links to six places all naming the same guy.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 8-08 8:14 PM
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Because I care about really important news and stuff.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 8-08 8:15 PM
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28: I don't. Not without actual evidence.


Posted by: Mary Catherine | Link to this comment | 09- 8-08 8:16 PM
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Do we know this fact for a fact?

We know that people have said that she once expressed an interest in banning books. We don't know how far that went or if they are telling the truth, but since her official defense is that it was merely a "rhetorical question", it's probably true.


Posted by: Gabriel | Link to this comment | 09- 8-08 8:16 PM
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I was credulous once I saw A Wrinkle in Time. Madeleine L'Engle is kind of a right wing author is she not? Not that book in particular but her later stuff.


Posted by: CJB | Link to this comment | 09- 8-08 8:16 PM
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Madeleine L'Engle is kind of a right wing author is she not?

Wasn't she devoutly High Anglican or something? Does that count as right-wing? I dunno. I don't know what to believe!


Posted by: Mary Catherine | Link to this comment | 09- 8-08 8:22 PM
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Does that count as right-wing?

Right wing might not have been the correct term. Some of her books are based on Christian theology. They came across as very Bible literalist which I tend to group with the Christian right, but she wouldn't have to be.


Posted by: CJB | Link to this comment | 09- 8-08 8:28 PM
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23: American Heritage, I'd expect. Perverts.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 09- 8-08 8:33 PM
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I think the dictionary should be banned because one of its syllables sounds like "dick."


Posted by: Adam Kotsko | Link to this comment | 09- 8-08 8:37 PM
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I should note that my own personal fondness for AH is that it lists several definitions for "to fuck," one of which is "to victimize." It makes me giggle.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 09- 8-08 8:43 PM
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Run Wolf, Run is her favorite kids book.


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 09- 8-08 8:44 PM
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32: Shouldn't that be "incredulous"? I was credulous while first reading heebie's post (that bit about contacting the bureaucrat with the phone number and whatnot did me in), but the link in 4 made me incredulous.


Posted by: pdf23ds | Link to this comment | 09- 8-08 8:48 PM
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No links, because I too am on a phone, but, as I understand the story, Palin asked the librarian if she would censor her collection, and the librarian told her to get stuffed before Palin could get around to naming titles. It was after this, of course, that Palin tried to have the librarian fired.

Alas, my Alaskan source says that the move to seal Todd's ex-business partner's divorce records is not on account of an affair. I'm waiting to hear more details; I understand it's another firing scandal.


Posted by: brianz | Link to this comment | 09- 8-08 9:00 PM
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No links, because I too am on a phone, but, as I understand the story, Palin asked the librarian if she would censor her collection, and the librarian told her to get stuffed before Palin could get around to naming titles. It was after this, of course, that Palin tried to have the librarian fired.

Alas, my Alaskan source says that the move to seal Todd's ex-business partner's divorce records is not on account of an affair. I'm waiting to hear more details; I understand it's another firing scandal.


Posted by: brianz | Link to this comment | 09- 8-08 9:01 PM
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There's totally evidence of the affair. The dude tries to get his divorce records sealed after several months of inactivity two days after Sarah Palin gets nominated and one day after the Enquirer announces they're running with the story?

Like Apo says, don't doubt the Enquirer.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09- 8-08 9:03 PM
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Alas, my Alaskan source says that the move to seal Todd's ex-business partner's divorce records is not on account of an affair. I'm waiting to hear more details; I understand it's another firing scandal.

Well, that'd be fun too.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09- 8-08 9:04 PM
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Seems that Mr. Bay, late of Pittsburgh, is quite the fellow.

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Posted by: Nápi | Link to this comment | 09- 8-08 9:32 PM
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Fucking Vikings.


Posted by: Chopper | Link to this comment | 09- 8-08 9:35 PM
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41 is also my understanding. I too am too lazy to source it.

40 is also my understanding also.


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 09- 8-08 9:42 PM
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If you go to the court papers he tried to seal, he says it's because he - being in the process of divorcing his wife - is living in a cabin with his son. The Palins own the land with him, and his phone is ringing off the hook. The documents are all up on the smoking gun.

Not sure if anything else is or was going on there, but no other evidence yet.

The defense offered thus far has been that Palin posed a hypothetical about how the librarian would react if the community pushed for a different collection, as a test. No evidence that the firing was directly tied to the questioning; she does seem to have fired all those who served at the Mayor's pleasure and whom she felt were less than foursquare behind her. The librarian's response to that question almost certainly fed into the loyalty assessment.


Posted by: HC | Link to this comment | 09- 8-08 11:14 PM
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The Palin book-banning list is yesterday's news. What is less well-known is that after the library removed all those books, Barack Obama tried to replace them with copies of the Koran.


Posted by: Gaijin Biker | Link to this comment | 09- 8-08 11:29 PM
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Ugh. Let's hear an optimistic message for once.


Posted by: peter | Link to this comment | 09- 9-08 12:43 AM
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Sarah Palin action figures!


Posted by: Gaijin Biker | Link to this comment | 09- 9-08 12:44 AM
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The competition for Most Sexist Analysis of Palin's Candidacy is over, and we have a winner.


Posted by: Gaijin Biker | Link to this comment | 09- 9-08 1:03 AM
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51: "[A] herd of masochistic moose, yearning to be field dressed"? Really?

49: consider also this, in the category of unexpected uses for the green and blue screen backgrounds used at the GOP convention.


Posted by: HC | Link to this comment | 09- 9-08 1:13 AM
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I wonder if the person who added Solzhenitsyn to the list and thought people would believe it was around during the cold war.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 09- 9-08 1:30 AM
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Here's what the online version of the hometown paper has on Palin and library book-banning.

The basic story: Palin apparently came to the local Library Director to inquire about whether she could ban books. The Library Director said "Hell no". Later, in a public statement, Palin backed off and implied that she'd just been asking rhetorical questions. As I read the article, her later public words just look like pure damage control -- all nondenial denials, passive voice, and evasive language.


Posted by: Neil the Ethical Werewolf | Link to this comment | 09- 9-08 2:42 AM
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The competition for Most Sexist Analysis of Palin's Candidacy is over

I very much doubt this.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09- 9-08 4:13 AM
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You have to admit, Gary Kamiya has set the bar pretty high.


Posted by: Gaijin Biker | Link to this comment | 09- 9-08 5:04 AM
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Why does Hucckleberry Finn always wind up on banned book lists, or at least lists of books that liberals imagine conservatives would try to ban? Family Ties did an episode where the school was trying to censor certain books, and Huckleberry Finn was prominent. (As an aside, I had to read Tom Sawyer in the 5th grade, and it's not high literature, but I enjoyed it more.)

I've never looked at Our Bodies Ourselves, but I have to admit that the Boston Women's health collective is a little bit to the left and a lot of people--not just crazy right wingers who would actually go to the trouble of trying to ban books--might find it icky.

In the 8th grade, as part of a small group discussion class my girls day school gave us all copies of Changing Bodies, Changing Lives. I hid it in the closet so that my parents wouldn't find it. I am still kind of creeped out by their normalization of the boy who got a hard on from listening to his mother vacuum.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 09- 9-08 5:07 AM
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Why does Hucckleberry Finn always wind up on banned book lists

Frequent use of "nigger"?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09- 9-08 5:20 AM
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No, it's the typos in the title.


Posted by: Gaijin Biker | Link to this comment | 09- 9-08 5:26 AM
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57 - The problem with Our Bodies Our Selves is that it's potential spank bank material for teenage boys.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 09- 9-08 5:31 AM
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#60: That's a damn broad category there.


Posted by: Gaijin Biker | Link to this comment | 09- 9-08 5:57 AM
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60: It's pretty difficult. Even the chapter on women's masturbation has a lot of strategically-placed boner-killers.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 09- 9-08 6:01 AM
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It's pretty difficult.

Ummm, no it wasn't.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09- 9-08 6:02 AM
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51: It's early yet, but that's definitely a contender. I feel like Gary Kamiya just told me something about himself that I didn't really need to know.


Posted by: Mary Catherine | Link to this comment | 09- 9-08 6:40 AM
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Shouldn't that be "incredulous"?

Maybe in your liberal elitist world. Where they use the language correctly.


Posted by: CJB | Link to this comment | 09- 9-08 6:47 AM
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65: WOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

DRILL BABY DRILL!!!!!!!!!!!


Posted by: OPINIONATED REPUBLICANS | Link to this comment | 09- 9-08 6:58 AM
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Yeah, we know.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 09- 9-08 6:59 AM
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Gary Kamiya has set the bar pretty high.

Points for repeating hackneyed clichés, too. "[Female candidate] is like a dominatrix" is as played an "insight" as "Teh libruls are out of touch with Amurrica!" Besides, Palin isn't remotely dominatrix-y. Our Sarah's more the Church Lady in mukluks.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 09- 9-08 7:18 AM
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I feel like Gary Kamiya just told me something about himself that I didn't really need to know.

Maybe so. But, it sure seems like a lot of Republicans like her for those superficial reasons. Around the youth football field in mostly Republican country, the Republican women mostly comment on her sassy style and the Republican men talk about her looks and take-charge sexual energy.

BR and I overhear these conversations all the time.


Posted by: Will | Link to this comment | 09- 9-08 7:26 AM
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Semi-OT: I can't tell if this is a real story that should leave me genuinely nervous, or just an attempt by the liberal NYT to scare some Obama donations out of its readers. I'm leaning towards the latter, but nervously.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 09- 9-08 7:30 AM
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BR and I overhear these conversations all the time.

Me too.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09- 9-08 7:30 AM
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45 gets it exactly right.


Posted by: Merganser | Link to this comment | 09- 9-08 7:31 AM
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Overheard at a recent multifaith volunteer thingy:

...A: Oh, she's a REAL conservative.
B: I know--it's the only thing getting me to the polls this year.
A: That's what everyone's saying.

On the other hand, Obama was never winning my state.


Posted by: Merganser | Link to this comment | 09- 9-08 7:34 AM
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Sarah the patsy Judas goat is simple, twisted and vengeful enough to hate books that expose her religion and lifestyle for what it is ~ dishonest.


Posted by: waldo | Link to this comment | 09- 9-08 7:36 AM
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Oh, she's a REAL conservative.

"I don't actually know anything about her, but she's a REAL conservative. She said so herself."


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09- 9-08 7:37 AM
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67 was to 44.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 09- 9-08 7:37 AM
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76 -- Yeah, we know.


Posted by: Nápi | Link to this comment | 09- 9-08 7:41 AM
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I can't tell if this is a real story that should leave me genuinely nervous, or just an attempt by the liberal NYT to scare some Obama donations out of its readers.

Another possibility: someone wants to keep his job, and needs to produce stories, whether that means finding them or making them.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 09- 9-08 7:42 AM
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But, it sure seems like a lot of Republicans like her for those superficial reasons.

Oh, I don't doubt that. I'm just doubting that many of them want Palin to hurt them so good. (Of course, being Republicans, who can say what they want?)


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 09- 9-08 7:42 AM
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I'm just doubting that many of them want Palin to hurt them so good.

It isnt about S&M. It is about her being a tiger in the bedroom.

I make off color remarks as much as the next person, but the constant references to her as a sexual being all way over the line.

I've heard plenty of women (on unfogged and off) reference that they wouldnt mind a few hours with Obama, but typically that is a one-time, passing reference.

With Palin, it has been different. (and promoted by the Republicans, in my opinion.)


Posted by: Will | Link to this comment | 09- 9-08 7:52 AM
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It isnt about S&M.

No, but that's what Kamiya's piece was about, which is what I was taking issue with. In fairness to Kamiya, though, there is something to his point: Palin trades on the same sexual dynamics that Coulter, Ingraham, Malkin, etc., do, namely, she's an attractive woman hired to be unapologetically abrasive and outrageous.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 09- 9-08 8:44 AM
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BR and I overhear these conversations all the time.

You all want me to leave, right?


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 09- 9-08 9:09 AM
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Huck Finn gets banned from both sides of the political spectrum. From the left, because it uses the N-word and is otherwise racist. From the right, because Huck and Jim on a raft together is somehow seen as inappropriately homoerotic.

A Wrinkle in Time is challenged from, as far as I can tell, just about every possible direction. Christians are angry with the version of Christianity that is presented. Nonreligious people think it's theist. Believers think it's sacrilegious or anti-religion. People think it promotes disrespect of parents, that messing around with time and space is humans tampering with divine will, that it's inappropriate that the book suggests that Mrs Murry misses her husband physically as well as emotionally. Really, there is just no end to it.

Here's a list of reasons that some famous books got challenged or banned. And yes, a school (in Alaska, no less!) has banned the dictionary:

American Heritage Dictionary (1969) In 1978, an Eldon, Missouri library banned the dictionary because it contained 39 "objectionable" words. And, in 1987, the Anchorage School Board banned the dictionary for similar reasons, i.e., having slang definitions for words such as "bed," "knocker," and "balls."

Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 09- 9-08 9:21 AM
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From the left, because it uses the N-word and is otherwise racist.

Clearly by those who haven't actually read it.


Posted by: DominEditrix | Link to this comment | 09- 9-08 10:28 AM
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Clearly by those who haven't actually read it.

Yeah, in my experience of people who fill out Collection Reconsideration Requests, that's not unusual.


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 09- 9-08 10:32 AM
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"Clearly by those who haven't actually read it."

Actually some people find the routine use of "nigger" in the book so offensive that they are incapable of appreciating any virtues the book might have.


Posted by: James B. Shearer | Link to this comment | 09- 9-08 1:13 PM
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Actually some people find the routine use of "nigger" in the book so offensive that they are incapable of appreciating any virtues the book might have.

While this sort of fragility of mind may well exist, it's no excuse for trying to decide what other people ought to think of the book, or worse, trying to stop them from reading it.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 09- 9-08 1:18 PM
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While this sort of fragility of mind may well exist, it's no excuse for trying to decide what other people ought to think of the book, or worse, trying to stop them from reading it.
But it could be a reason not to require it in a class (at least not without alternatives).


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 09- 9-08 1:24 PM
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88: While still idiotic IMO, that would be a far cry from actually barring it from class reading lists or banning the book altogether.

I'm amused that South Africa's apartheid-era government rather inscrutably banned Mary Shelley's Frankenstein. Maybe somebody decided the monster was a metaphor for miscegenation or something?


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 09- 9-08 1:37 PM
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