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I'd love to see Oprah ever so nicely ram Palin's head into the wall on national, prime time TV.

How do I join this campaign to make it happen?


Posted by: Jesurgislac | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 11:53 AM
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No kidding. Palin would get destroyed.


Posted by: Chopper | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 11:54 AM
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I update the post with their link.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 11:56 AM
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It would be great if this is a judo move to free her up to actually take Palin apart.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 11:57 AM
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I for one am glad that the election of a woman governor for any state in the union is of so little import that it can be ignored as an accomplishment. I welcome the day when we can say the same for black or Hispanic candidates, let alone Asian.


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 11:58 AM
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I for one am glad that the election of a woman governor for any state in the union is of so little import that it can be ignored as an accomplishment.

Which country are you living in? This nomination was a cynical play, and nobody has to pretend it was anything else.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 12:02 PM
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Coälition

You have fucking got to be kidding me.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 12:05 PM
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Now who's the philistine?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 12:06 PM
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I didn't say that her nomination wasn't a cynical ploy, which I believe it was. I am saying that to say that being elected governor of even a small state is not an accomplishment is bullshit.

I have no problem with Oprah doing whatever she wants with her show. She is free to chose any guest she likes, and she owns the damn show.

Now, Oprah didn't say that Sarah Palin hasn't accomplished anything, that was some hack putting words in her mouth. But in the effort to minimize her experience some stupid things have been said. For something new and different.


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 12:07 PM
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I hope we can all agree that when George Wallace's wife was elected governor of Alabama it was not an accomplishment. Palin, however, seems to be as ambitious and talented as George Wallace himself, within her field.


Posted by: CN | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 12:11 PM
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TLL, ah ok. If someone said Palin has never accomplished anything, I'd scoff at the idea. If they said she's small potatoes relative to the job though? I'd agree.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 12:11 PM
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"I am saying that to say that being elected governor of even a small state is not an accomplishment is bullshit."

The Diebold machines in use in Alaska gave Sarah Palin a "victory" of about 6%. Just what Diebold machines usually manage for Republican candidates.

To say that Sarah Palin got elected is bullshit. Diebold machines appoint, they don't elect.


Posted by: Jesurgislac | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 12:15 PM
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I don't like that form, because it doesn't let you edit the letter at all. I wonder how long of a subject line I could write, something like, "These people are nuts, and I totally disagree with everything in this letter."


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 12:18 PM
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3: Turns out you can't amend the e-mail they want you to send in any way. Though I was tempted to send it with a subject line "Oprah Rules, Sarah Drools" I suspect they're just trying to crash the e-mail account...


Posted by: Jesurgislac | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 12:18 PM
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She doesn't want to offend her core audience or stress her advertisers. It's a commercial decision.

You watch Ophrah often, W-lfs-n?


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 12:22 PM
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To say that Sarah Palin got elected is bullshit. Diebold machines appoint, they don't elect.

Bold statement. Given that Alaska has a reputation as a solidly Republican state ( I know about the Democratic governor). Not every win is proof of shananigans.


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 12:23 PM
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13: Why isn't Ken Blackwell the Governor of Ohio then?


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 12:25 PM
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Oops1 17 was to 12 not 13.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 12:26 PM
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18 was supposed to read, "Oops! 17 was to 12 not 13."


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 12:27 PM
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I suppose it's not worth the time to point out that the email is wrong- Oprah only hosted Obama before he announced he was running for pres, in Jan 2005 and Oct 2006. He was the hot new senator from Illinois, and Oprah is filmed in Chicago, where he was also state senator and community organizer.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 12:28 PM
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16: The Diebold machines delivered their usual uncheckable result. The polls right up till election day said it was going to be a close race. Maybe Palin would have won by a hair, but when the results are the usual Diebold margin in favor of the Republican candidate, on voting machines that can be untraceably rigged, yeah... these days, that is all the evidence anyone needs of Republican election-rigging. It's not as if it's anything new or surprising that they didn't leave it up to the voters.


Posted by: Jesurgislac | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 12:29 PM
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19: 21 was to 16 what 20 is to 9.


Posted by: Jesurgislac | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 12:30 PM
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Update: I have been unable to find any---ANY!---online corroboration for W-lfs-n's "coälition".


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 12:33 PM
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The vowels are pronounced separately, are they not? So the diæresis is appropriate.

It's true, that's not how the organization denominates itself.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 12:35 PM
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Not even the New Yorker uses the dieresis mark.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 12:35 PM
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Is there a reason you don't have a diæresis over the æ in diæresis?


Posted by: CN | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 12:36 PM
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It's that the insistence that any Democrat who loses -- even in a Republican state where the polling was very similar to the final results -- had the vote stolen from him or her that makes people who don't follow this sort of thing closely disinclined to look at either genuine malfeasance on the part of Republicans or the criminally low standards of Diebold machines. Christine Jennings got screwed; Al Gore got screwed; Tony Knowles lost to a Republican in a Republican state who was able to plausibly portray herself as a reformer and who performs very well on t.v.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 12:37 PM
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26: Because it's a diphthong?


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 12:37 PM
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re: 23

It's properly written with an ae digraph.

It's a metalevel joke, no? Spelling diæresis with a diæresis?


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 12:37 PM
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Sorry, being an idiot.

In my defence, undercaffeinated.

Anyway, the OED doesn't have a diæresis in coalition.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 12:39 PM
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The mark is indicated when there may be some ambiguity in the pronunciation, which is not the case everywhere, young W-lfs-n. Or we would see "ambiguïty," and yet we do not.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 12:40 PM
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criminally low standards of Diebold machines

It is true that I haven't followed this as closely as some. Even the appearance of impropriety needs to be eliminated. Of course I want my guy to win, but vote rigging, while a long standing tradition, is treasonous in my mind.


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 12:41 PM
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Of course, in my dialect there are often two vowel sounds where in other dialects there are not.

I should start writing, "he opened the doör and left."



Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 12:42 PM
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My native dialect ("Modulated Valley Girl") would have to put diaeresis marks everywhere.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 12:45 PM
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here's a nice piece about that Oprah thing.

in a nutshell: Oprah likes Obama, which is a problem for Reps because women like Oprah. so, you need to make women not like Oprah. how? you make it seem like she's being petty and unfair to Palin.

the real argument behind that link is much tastier than the contents of my nutshell, of course.


Posted by: cleek | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 12:46 PM
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But in the effort to minimize assert that she has her experience some stupid things have been said. For something new and different.

Admirably said, TLL.

if in fact it's not a sham trumped up as evidence of liberality in media.

More the case, I imagine.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 12:47 PM
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27, if Americans can be so easily put off investigating electoral malfeasance, they don't deserve to have a democracy, so I can hardly blame the Republican Party for taking the one they used to have away from them.

Coälition is ridiculous There are two sentences wandering around somewhere without periods thanks to Ben's nonsense


Posted by: Jesurgislac | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 12:50 PM
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Start here, TLL. This guy is a IT security expert at Maryland, not an ideologue. Third sentence of the abstract: "Our analysis shows that this voting system is far below even the most minimal security standards applicable in other contexts."


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 12:52 PM
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I like to think that Oprah and her staffers didn't book Palin because they are just fucking sick of hearing about her. The meeting went like this:

Staffer 1: "If we have Palin on, we would be giving the Repubicans free publicity."

Staffer 2: "Yeah, but she's such a lightweight. O would skewer her."

The Big O: "Ungh. I'm so sick of that woman I don't want have look at her ever again, let alone have her in the studio."


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 12:53 PM
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35: Thanks.

32: You must have been a miserable Republican since Florida in 2000, then.


Posted by: Jesurgislac | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 12:53 PM
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33: That would be kind of awesome. When I was a kid, my Irish immigrant grandparents lived in White Plains, NY. If you had asked me a word for big, flat, open fields I would have called them plains, long a, one syllable. If you had asked me the name of the town my grandparents lived in, I would have told you White Play-ins. My mother, when referring to her father and her father alone, somehow manages to make "dad" two syllables.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 12:54 PM
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The vowels are pronounced separately
listening to podcasts i've noticed that native English speaking people stress very much vowels, not consonants, like vvvowels
especially ps, ts, ds, ss etc during like exclamatory speaking, sounds aggressive


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 12:55 PM
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I usually stay out of Diebold arguments, but given the low technical demands involved, I find it impossible to imagine an innocent explanation for the poor performance of voting machines. There has to be a connection to voter discouragement efforts, and the general Republican effort to delegitimize elections and democracy. "They're all crooks" is a Republican idea.

Imagine that $10 pocket calculators were as unreliable as voting machines. It would be a scandal. But pocket calculators forform much more difficult opperations than votiong machines.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 12:57 PM
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Vowels, ps, ts, ds, ss? Are you confusing vowels and consonants?


Posted by: CN | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 12:58 PM
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consonants, consonants


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 1:00 PM
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perform much more difficult operations than voting machines. I'm going to the doctor to have my alcohol and caffeine levels recalibrated.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 1:01 PM
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This reminds me of a kid in school who lost credit on a test for having the wrong number of syllables in a line of a sonnet. He tried to argue that woods was two syllables.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 1:01 PM
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Americans tend to turn every unaccented vowel into a schwa. Sometimes I take pride in doing that myself, as if it makes me sound like a workin' man.

So then you're left with hearing only the consonants and the highly accented vowels.


Posted by: CN | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 1:01 PM
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Ha! McCain is trying to cancel/postpone the debate Friday.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 1:02 PM
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See, if that kid had put a few dots over one of those o's, the word would have had two syllables.


Posted by: CN | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 1:03 PM
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Yeah, his name was something that sounded like Ken Ulfsson...


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 1:03 PM
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Diebold xkcd. QED.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 1:11 PM
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McCain is trying to cancel/postpone the debate Friday.

"Tomorrow morning, I will suspend my campaign and return to Washington after speaking at the Clinton Global Initiative. I have spoken to Senator Obama and informed him of my decision and have asked him to join me."

WTF? Is "suspend my campaign" another way of saying "You wouldn't hit an old man, would you?"


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 1:15 PM
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Or we would see "ambiguïty," and yet we do not.

I'm going to start saying "ambigweetee" whenever possible.

Though on second thought, that sounds like a strange word that means "I'm a big dick."


Posted by: Merganser | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 1:18 PM
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Shorter McCain: If you refuse, you don't care about the economy; if you agree, then you prove that you're just an inexperienced kid who'd be better off following my lead when I'm President. Plus, I'm afraid of the debate.


Posted by: Merganser | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 1:20 PM
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Shorter McCain:

And getting shorter all the time.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 1:23 PM
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That's just insanity.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 1:23 PM
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Huh. I was wondering what kind of bizarre gambit McCain would think of next. This one seems kinda lame, but hard for Barack "Bipartisan" Obama to defuse.


Posted by: Bave Dee | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 1:39 PM
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Oh that McCain - what a maverick. What a brave hero he is.

Yeah - screw all the time and money and effort that has gone into scheduling and preparing this debate. Something might happen on Capitol hill during those three hours.

Besides, we are at war, and it is crass to debate when soldiers are in harm's way. It is crass to debate when our economy is teetering on the brink. This is not the time for thought. This is not the time for discussion. This is the time to give Paulson, the former Chairman and CEO of Goldman Sachs, the keys to the US treasury with no oversight and no limits and no strings and no legal accountability of any kind.

Yeah, that's what we need to do. Thinking is for losers.


Posted by: Tripp | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 1:49 PM
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This one seems kinda lame, but hard for Barack "Bipartisan" Obama to defuse.

I don't think it should be hard. "There are no 'timeouts' in presidential elections, old man."


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 3:09 PM
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Or we would see "ambiguïty," and yet we do not.

We're about to.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 5:26 PM
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his one seems kinda lame, but hard for Barack "Bipartisan" Obama to defuse.

Not at all - it's easy enough to point out that presidents have to handle many different concerns/crises simultaneously. If someone can't do that, s/he is not prepared to be president. [Read: Is too old for the rigours of the job.]


Posted by: DominEditrix | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 7:02 PM
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