Re: "Let Bartlet Be Bartlet"

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Taliban Tech, not U of T. Please.


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 6:11 PM
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There is a rivalry that you don't want to get in the middle of.


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 6:14 PM
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Their annual game of "Stone the adulteress" is always on Beano's Big Board.


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 6:19 PM
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But would Jed bum the smoke off of Barack, or the other way around?


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 6:20 PM
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Oh, MoDo. Why can't you just let Kristen Chenoweth be happy?


Posted by: Duvall | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 6:27 PM
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yoh, i'm tired
should not procrastinate in the morning then try to complete all the work in the afternoon and late in the evening


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 6:45 PM
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i meant to say i didn't understand the post and the other cited post too which i couldn't read, just jumped from line to line and got an impression must be something humorous


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 6:48 PM
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7: It's the guy from the TV show The West Wing, read. Does that help?


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 6:51 PM
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thanks, it's that president with MS, now i recalled


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 6:53 PM
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Bush blinked like 8 times when he started talking! He doesn't have what it takes!


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 6:55 PM
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Say what you will about Aaron Sorkin's imagined meeting between Barack Obama and fictional former President Jed Bartlet

But I already said what I would! Do I have to say it again?


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 6:57 PM
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"For more than a decade, we've been deregulating the living hell out of every industry we could."


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 6:57 PM
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(What, you're not watching lame duck Bush lie like a rug?)


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 6:59 PM
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Oops, 13 was me, attempting to put 12 in context. No one really cares, do they? Nor should you.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 7:00 PM
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Car crash, can't look away.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 7:00 PM
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The thing is, I'm not even really mad, the way I usually am when watching Bush. He just seems so pathetic and irrelevant.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 7:03 PM
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Ok, bored now.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 7:07 PM
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Apparently these assets are deeply, deeply troubled. Will no one help them find solace?


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 7:07 PM
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My son suggests that maybe Bush will endorse Obama at the end of the speech in the ultimate political ratfuck. I'm not allowed to watch, so someone post a comment if that happens.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 7:07 PM
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It's all over, JP. We've moved onto "America's Got Talent: The Final" with your host Jerry Springer.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 7:09 PM
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via the inimitable eekbeat

I bet Aaron Sorkin could muster up a pretty good eekbeat imitation.


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 7:21 PM
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11: Nice post, W/d.

As to your mystery about whether the "Sarah Palin wants to teach creationism" assertion is true -- I suspect that whether or not it is, it will be bad for her to state her position on it.

Not because many Americans don't also believe in some form of divine creation -- most do -- but because to respond makes her sound explicitly culture war-ry in a manner that isn't very popular right now. In fact, I think a lot of the appeal of Sarah Palin is that she lets the culture warriors do their thing without having to address the issues. Her appeal isn't that she's a gay-bashing anti-abortion creationist -- it's that she's a conservative performer of her gender role, unlike sensitive Obama and striver Hillary.

As to why I didn't respond to your blog post in your own comments, it's I'm a dick.


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 7:25 PM
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should not procrastinate in the morning then try to complete all the work in the afternoon and late in the evening

Welcome to my life! Especially when I have an overzealous collaborator who thinks nothing of calling shortly before midnight to talk about work.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 8:11 PM
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23: You could tell him you're suspending work in light of the ongoing financial crisis.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 8:15 PM
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Or tell her, I hastily add.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 8:16 PM
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I have a hard time saying a bad word against a fellow mushroom aficionado, but I will say that he makes us look flaky.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 8:18 PM
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Jesus Christ, but I hate Aaron Sorkin.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 9:09 PM
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690 SAT words? Not impressive. Reach for the stars, Sorkin.


Posted by: Matt F | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 10:47 PM
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I know four thousand SAT words.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 10:48 PM
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I won the spelling bee in 7th grade and went on to take the middle school championship, before failing at regionals on the word "haggard". True story.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 10:52 PM
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29: Not to mention scientific notation. Here's your shovel.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 10:53 PM
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I never watched The West Wing, so I have only the MoDo column to go on: fluffily amusing!

Stanley, "haggard"? Oh dear.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 10:57 PM
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That leaves only you to blame, Stanley.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 10:57 PM
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32: Dude, I was in 7th grade! And he had a funny southern accent and everything! (Reporter for the Richmond, VA, something or other.)


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 10:59 PM
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Did I ever tell y'all about the time we were doing reading aloud in 7th grade English class, and I came to "chihuahua," which I pronounced "chi-hew-ah-hew-ah."


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 10:59 PM
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See? 7th grade'll kill ya.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 11:00 PM
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I wrote an apology to my "Language Arts" teacher and later did a project about the word "haggard" which consisted in something lame about the word haggard and examples thereof, and then I went to high school, and college, and yet, where's my Lexus you Phi Beta Kappa loons? You send me notices but no keys.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 11:06 PM
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That's funny, the PBK people gave me a key.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 11:08 PM
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Wait, that's not even true. They offered to sell me one.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 11:09 PM
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39: My mom was shocked they weren't giving 'em away anymore.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 11:11 PM
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Times are hard.

My mom wanted me to give her my key, but I told her there was no way I was shelling out for it.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 11:14 PM
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37: As I said: oh dear.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 11:15 PM
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42: Merle forgives me, I'm sure of it.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 11:22 PM
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From the wikipedia article on PBK (god knows why I looked it up):

Refusal of the invitation occurs almost entirely at large state universities. This is especially common in the Western United States, where there are comparatively few old private universities. Reasons given include a lack of knowledge of the society (especially by first-generation and foreign college students), the initiation fee, lack of perceived benefit to the honoree, low prestige for academic achievement at the institution ...


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 11:30 PM
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44: That about sums me up. I had no idea what it was, and figured if someone wants to honor my ass, they should be willing to do it for free.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 11:32 PM
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45: It's just funny: the proprietors of PBK seem to be fretting about low acceptance, and slowly puzzling through the reasons for it. Hm ... well, the immigrants don't seem to get it, nor the newcomers in general. Also, they don't really seem to get why it's so great. Plus they think the cost is off-putting. Don't know what's up with that, but there it is. Hm.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 11:37 PM
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I remain content with a late-model Lexus or its equivalent in Euros. And yet, nothing.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 11:39 PM
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People should just start getting their invitations notarized. Nothing in particular accrues to you for being in the organization. You don't even get a free subscription to their magazine.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 11:43 PM
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I see that the wikipedia article refers to an "initiation fee". I don't recall being initiated into shit.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 11:45 PM
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It *is* fun to tell alumni of the social fraternity system that you are also Greek.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 11:48 PM
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You don't even get a free subscription to their magazine.

Now that's just lame.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 09-24-08 11:57 PM
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Phi Beta Kappa is one of those things I only know from reading old-timey things. I associate it with Archie Comics and Burma-Shave signs. Unpersuasive evidence of a quainter world.


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 09-25-08 12:29 AM
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How many SAT words does one have to know to get a 690?


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 09-25-08 1:19 AM
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53: All of them. Or you can just read a year's worth of W-lfs-n posts and get a 790 by osmosis.


Posted by: Not Prince Hamlet | Link to this comment | 09-25-08 1:47 AM
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re: 54

Most bright literature people will just pretty much know everything won't they?

I'm not familiar with the exact content of the SAT test, but how often do people here really come across words they don't know? [Leaving aside specialist technical language]


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09-25-08 4:52 AM
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Oh, I figure I'm up with anyone on vocabulary size, and I come across words I don't really know occasionally (usually in the sense that I can follow a sentence with such a word in it fine, but couldn't give you a definition.)


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-25-08 5:57 AM
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Oh it happens, but it's very rare.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09-25-08 6:02 AM
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I might have the timeline backwards, but I remember being told that Phi Beta Kappa was "the highest academic honor you can receive as a student at this university". Then a week or so later, it was "being a Student Marshal is the highest academic honor you can receive as a student at this university".


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 09-25-08 6:10 AM
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I was at a talk by Mark Billingham (a crime writer) and he was saying that he'd once had to review a crime fiction book and some Booker (or similar) shortlisted book for a radio show. With the other two authors present. He'd enjoyed the crime book, but had been put off the literary fiction work by constantly coming across words in it which he had never even seen before. So he said this to the author this, on air, and was condescendingly told that it is possible to read a book with a dictionary next to you.

My dad said a word to me the other day that I didn't know, but I've forgotten what it was.


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 09-25-08 6:19 AM
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I substitute every word I don't know with "balls". It doesn't hurt comprehensibility much.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 09-25-08 6:51 AM
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"For more than a decade, we've been deregulating the living hell out of every industry we could."

"And attempting to privatize every single governmental function."


Posted by: Will | Link to this comment | 09-25-08 6:52 AM
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chi-hew-ah-hew-ah

House style dictates 'chihuähuä'.


Posted by: Merganser | Link to this comment | 09-25-08 7:09 AM
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I was going to make a joke about not privatizing war, when I remembered that we were doing that too.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 09-25-08 7:14 AM
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I substitute every word I don't know with "balls". It doesn't hurt comprehensibility balls much.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09-25-08 7:19 AM
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How did a post about a MoDo column turn into an opportunity for folks to let slip how they were invited to join Phi Beta Kappa but were waaaaay too cool for the scene?

Oh, wait -- this is Unfogged. Never mind. Back to it!


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 09-25-08 7:37 AM
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Okay, that was just mean. I'm sorry. It's early and I'm grumpy.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 09-25-08 7:43 AM
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re: 59

Come to think of it, I can think of two novels where that happened to me. Foucault's Pendulum where I did use a dictionary several times, and, Tibor Fischer's The Thought Gang, which, it turns out, has a glossary at the end, and the reason why the author continually uses obscure words beginning with Z is eventually made clear as part of the plot.

I, however, like an idiot, didn't notice the glossary until I'd read most of the novel.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09-25-08 7:51 AM
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I'm in PBK! And proud to be. Because I had a rockin' GPA.

I have a pet peeve with Hollywood scripts that say, "So-n-so was a National Merit Scholar" (or finalist, or semi-finalist), as shorthand evidence that their high school student is super-duper smart, because I was nowhere close to being any of those things, and I bristle at the implication that I'm not smart enough for Hollywood.

Somehow I suspect this won't resonate here, and that I'm preaching to a nest of National Merit scholars, finalists, and semi-finalists. AT LEAST I GOT LAID IN HIGH SCHOOL.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-25-08 7:52 AM
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That's okay, heebie. I was a National Merit finalist, and here I am, still in college in my thirties. Maybe that's the deal with the script writers, too, and they just don't want to admit it.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-25-08 7:59 AM
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Phi Beta Kappa is one of those things I only know from reading old-timey things. I associate it with Archie Comics and Burma-Shave signs.

So true. I think my grandmother was in it, but I didn't know it was still going. Either my mom's GPA was really mediocre, or they didn't have Phi Beta Kappa for her major. Either or both are pretty likely.

68: Yep, sorry Heebie. At the right high school, even the nerds got laid. At times it seemed that especially the nerds got laid. Though I forget whether Scholar was the lowest level or the highest level for National Merit. Not that the levels even had anything to do with test scores once you passed the initial qualifying level (scholar or semi-finalist).


Posted by: Po-Mo Polymath | Link to this comment | 09-25-08 8:01 AM
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AT LEAST I GOT LAID IN HIGH SCHOOL.

Even girls with lip rings need love!


Posted by: Will | Link to this comment | 09-25-08 8:01 AM
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The Eskimos only have one word for National Merit students, but over four words for getting laid in high school.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-25-08 8:03 AM
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I was whatever happens when you get a high score on the PSAT, but entirely failed to comprehend the next steps, and took no further action. I was an easily confused child. Still am.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-25-08 8:05 AM
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67: I, however, like an idiot a tourist, didn't notice the glossary until I'd read most of the novel.



Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 09-25-08 8:06 AM
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Can you give laid?"


Posted by: Will | Link to this comment | 09-25-08 8:11 AM
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Bragging about getting laid in high school should still be less acceptable than bragging about being a National Merit Finalist. The latter can be achieved by hard work, while the former is bestowed randomly without regard to need. What are you, one of those Republicans who only respects status markers than can be achieved without paying any dues?


Posted by: CN | Link to this comment | 09-25-08 8:14 AM
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You could've gotten laid if you'd put the time in.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-25-08 8:16 AM
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Nope.


Posted by: CN | Link to this comment | 09-25-08 8:18 AM
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75: You probably just didn't want it enough.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-25-08 8:19 AM
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I meant 76.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-25-08 8:20 AM
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I read all those books about how to succeed, and how I should not take no for an answer, and force my foot in the door, and make big promises first to win the contract (and sort out the details later) and all those euphemisms, but I foolishly decided to let my fate be determined by the wishes of others.


Posted by: CN | Link to this comment | 09-25-08 8:40 AM
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Did you consider widening your applicant pool, IYKWIM?


Posted by: Merganser | Link to this comment | 09-25-08 8:43 AM
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82: Are you talking about fisting?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-25-08 8:45 AM
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Geez Merganser, I was the applicant.


Posted by: CN | Link to this comment | 09-25-08 8:46 AM
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73 - heh, that's me, too.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 09-25-08 8:48 AM
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Geez Merganser, I was the applicant.

Well, that's your problem right there. You're supposed to be a *supplicant*. Or maybe a replicant. I always get those confused.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09-25-08 8:53 AM
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82: there are some jobs CNs just wouldn't do, even for $50 an hour.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-25-08 8:53 AM
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Okay then--did you consider spreading your application around more widely?

83: I dunno, but whatever I'm talking about, it sounds kinda kinky.


Posted by: Merganser | Link to this comment | 09-25-08 8:55 AM
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And now I'm off to teach another sub-par class! Wish me luck!


Posted by: Merganser | Link to this comment | 09-25-08 8:56 AM
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Jesus Christ, but I hate Aaron Sorkin.

I don't mind Sorkin, but Christ, do I hate Dowd. She isn't an interesting writer; she isn't funny; and she never has any insight into anything that isn't inside her own head not much of that.

BARTLET Yes, and you're losing a ton of white women.

"September 18, 2008 - Women, Blacks Give Obama 4-Pt. Lead Over McCain, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; More Voters Say Dem Tax Plan Helps Middle Class, Poor
"With a 14-point lead among women and a 91-point lead among blacks, Democrat Sen. Barack Obama leads Republican Sen. John McCain 49 - 45 percent among likely voters nationwide, according to a Quinnipiac University national poll released today."

Any assertion that Obama is "losing a ton of white women" is gleaming bullshit of the purest kind, something that exists only in Dowd's own head.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 09-25-08 8:59 AM
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You only have to lose, at most, 20 white women to lose a ton.


Posted by: CN | Link to this comment | 09-25-08 9:32 AM
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The piece was actually written by Sorkin. In this case, Dowd is sharing her own head with him.


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 09-25-08 9:54 AM
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90 - But it was sexist bullshit that sounded exactly like Bartlett, who would often say things even meaner than that about Democratic women.


Posted by: Jesurgislac | Link to this comment | 09-25-08 9:54 AM
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#92. So it's Sorkin in the voice of Dowd in the voice of Jed Bartlet? Don't look now, but I think that whole column just disappeared up its own metafictional ass.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 09-25-08 10:11 AM
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Foucault's Pendulum where I did use a dictionary several times

I actually liked that book, and was telling a friend how I liked it. He said "You didn't like it, you're just pleased with yourself for having finished it".


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 09-25-08 10:24 AM
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I hate Aaron Sorkin

YOU CALL HIM PRESIDENT SORKIN, DAMMIT! YOU MAY NOT LIKE THE MAN OR WHAT HE DOES, BUT YOU DAMN WELL BETTER RESPECT THE OFFICE OF NETWORK TV DRAMEDY WRITER!


Posted by: OPINIONATED HALL-WALKER | Link to this comment | 09-25-08 10:53 AM
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re: 95

I loved it, actually, and have pressed it on lots of people. But I can see how it would drive some people crazy and other people would find it silly.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09-25-08 2:53 PM
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"You didn't like it, you're just pleased with yourself for having finished it"

He was just riffing on that somewhat silly quote of Twain's though, right?


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 09-25-08 2:55 PM
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