Re: Human being and motherfucking citizen, bitch

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an enjoyable fantasy in which Obama just went on and, you know, talked at us for a while. Wouldn't that be nice?

God, no. I don't want to be talked at. Jesus. I want political speech, not speeches about politics. Debate, disagreement, point-counterpoint, open conflict, jostling for position, one-up-manship, partisan posturing, outright antagonism ... all disciplined and somewhat civilized by Hansard or its equivalent, of course.


Posted by: Mary Catherine | Link to this comment | 09-26-08 8:04 PM
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I don't want to be talked at, to or around. About is okay.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09-26-08 8:09 PM
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I concede that "talk at" was not the just phrase.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 09-26-08 8:11 PM
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Teo! Long time no see. So let's talk about you for a change. And what should we say, eh?

Weird Kissinger moment in the debate. Now they're talking about Russia.


Posted by: Mary Catherine | Link to this comment | 09-26-08 8:16 PM
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There already is a debate thread, guys.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 09-26-08 8:17 PM
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Teo! Long time no see. So let's talk about you for a change. And what should we say, eh?

Anything you want.

There already is a debate thread, guys.

Indeed. This one is for talking about me.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09-26-08 8:59 PM
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So, how's your girl?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 09-26-08 9:06 PM
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But one has to be so defensive. Take the question in the debate about how each candidate would govern differently in the wake of the financial crisis. It would have been so refreshing had one of them actually answered the question. But even had one of them done so, and even had he been hailed for it, the "Obama throws [issue] under the bus" narrative would have reigned.

But anyway. How's the canyon, teo?


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 09-26-08 9:33 PM
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How's the canyon, teo?

That's not a very nice way to refer to teo's s.o.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 09-26-08 9:40 PM
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Sure—that's what I meant by the "wise move" line (though I was overspecific in regards to what it opens you up to): given the environment as it stands, it can be of a lot of instrumental value to peddle mostly pabulum or evasions or demagoguery or whatnot.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 09-26-08 9:40 PM
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I think it's "pablum", Ben. Otherwise the analogy doesn't work. Unless you meant it's of a lot of instrumental value to peddle food?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-26-08 9:45 PM
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Right. I was just pointing out an example from tonight.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 09-26-08 9:47 PM
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Unless you meant it's of a lot of instrumental value to peddle food?

Eh.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 09-26-08 10:03 PM
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Merriam is a junkie and a sellout.

Webster's no better.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-26-08 10:13 PM
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The OED takes a stronger stand.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 09-26-08 10:15 PM
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Reading between the lines of the OED, I stand by the spirit of my comment. Pablum was inoffensive crap. Pabulum is the very stuff of stuff. That you eat.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-26-08 10:18 PM
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The girl and the canyon are both fine. Thanks for asking.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09-26-08 10:34 PM
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Posted by: | Link to this comment | 09-26-08 10:43 PM
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You don't need to read between the lines, Sifu. The lines that are there support your original comment just fine.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 09-26-08 10:45 PM
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I need glasses.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-26-08 10:48 PM
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I need cups.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 09-26-08 11:11 PM
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I need cupped.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 09-26-08 11:13 PM
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I want fancy cups OR glasses with my wine of choice already in them. Only then will I pay attention to the issues at hand.


Posted by: Cecily | Link to this comment | 09-27-08 1:06 AM
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The only thing worse than being talked at is not being talked at.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 09-27-08 4:47 AM
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The only thing worse than being talked at is not being talked at.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 09-27-08 4:48 AM
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I have apparently double posted that, but I can't see my own comments in this thread in firefox. Odd.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 09-27-08 4:49 AM
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Hey Ben, have you've ever given any thought to how you are going to write things like course descriptions when your audience isn't made up of Stanford or U Chicago students?


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 09-27-08 7:54 AM
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Paul Newman dead. Very sad.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 09-27-08 8:03 AM
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if, for some reason, circumstances should demand that young w-lfs-n moderate his style in the interests of being understood by an audience less erudite than the one which, presumably, characterizes this blog--and even those of us with the highest opinions of w-lfs-n's future career must surely concede that such circumstances might well arise and even be thought quite fortunate in comparison with an array of other alternatives encompassing dire penury--I have the highest confidence in young ben's ability to express the same concepts modulo the flourishes we have come to expect and even a bit, in my own case, to enjoy and look forward to, leaving the course description comparatively denuded of the crotchets and curlicues which constitute the gingerbread, so to speak, on the victorian front porch of w-lfs-n's rhetorical edifice, but nonetheless quite comprehensible, so, in this case, I myself am quite unworried.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 09-27-08 8:05 AM
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I copied that course description straight from the catalogue, rob.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 09-27-08 8:12 AM
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Paul Newman dead. Very sad.

Oh, that is sad.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 09-27-08 8:15 AM
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And now I'm going to go masturbate into some lemonade.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 09-27-08 8:16 AM
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Yes, very fitting.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 09-27-08 8:19 AM
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too late!


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 09-27-08 8:19 AM
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I'm going to pout until people acknowledge the verisimilitude of my pseudo-w-lfs-niana. "good show, al, to the very life" etc.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 09-27-08 8:23 AM
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Posted by: | Link to this comment | 09-27-08 8:23 AM
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29:Ben doesn't use enough obscure allusions, portmanteau words, and multilingual puns for my taste.

I don't know why he has to dumbdown his posts anyway, nobody reads this blog.

I am still working on the Anscombe one. Incomprehensible language is so because of what is expected and what, very specifically and contingently, is not being said. FW is 100 books that JJ didn't write. The blogosphere says Sarah Palin, like Lil' Bush, has not a thought in her head. They are wrong, she has bad thoughts she is trying to hide.

Freudians understand.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 09-27-08 8:24 AM
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28:That is a fricking bummer.

Oh, the glory of those intellectual artistic sensitive macho mid-to-late fifties.

Even Gore was studly, and he will outlive them all.
Hell, even Truman.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 09-27-08 8:28 AM
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Is Palance still around?

Liz, Piper, Joanne...Dana Wynter? Had a huge crush on Dana Wynter.

Taken me a lot of seasoning to appreciate that era.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 09-27-08 8:33 AM
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good night all, I'm going to bed early. keep the home fires burning.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 09-27-08 8:38 AM
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alameida you can go to bed whenever you want; no need to burn anything down.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-27-08 8:39 AM
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I saw "Suddenly Last Summer" 3 years ago (my sister got it for $1 in a yard sale.) It was the most overdone thing ever. The Fifties were sick.

I believe Gore Vidal did the script, after Tennessee Williams (unless he did "A Place in the Sun" which I also saw.)

The sexual tension between Montgomery Clift and Elizabeth Taylor came across very well, and it was real though one way. Taylor in "Ivanhoe" was my first movie crush.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 09-27-08 8:46 AM
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Yglesias' blog is impossible to troll. They have real message discipline over there. The ambient perceptiveness is low, but it's very consistent.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 09-27-08 8:51 AM
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"concerned to discover"?


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 09-27-08 8:56 AM
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35: Al, I thought that was real live Ben until I got to the sig line. I suppose Ben doesn't normally refer to himself in the third person.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 09-27-08 9:05 AM
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re: 35

That is very impressive. More comprehensible than the genuine article, though.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09-27-08 9:13 AM
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I'm going to pout until people acknowledge the verisimilitude of my pseudo-w-lfs-niana. "good show, al, to the very life" etc.

I was going to, but thought it might be unseemly to praise an imitation of myself. Very flattering, though.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 09-27-08 9:36 AM
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False modesty is the unseemliest falsehood of them all.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 09-27-08 11:23 AM
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