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Bikram or "hot" yoga is all the rage down here in Charlottesville. I'd almost say it's a passing fad at this point, but that's anecdotal.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 10:10 PM
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Yeah, bikram was big in the Bay Area 2-3 years ago, but now that seems to be done with.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 10:11 PM
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This is on the first page of results for a google image search on "bikram". Good times.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/30/60221303_1cfe771968.jpg


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 10:15 PM
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I can't remember a time when Yoga wasn't a big deal in LA. My middle-aged mom used to do Yoga here in the 1970s and there were tons of places offering it growing up. But the full-on Yoga boom of the past few years seems to be slowing down a bit. I've never done it myself though, although I keep planning to start.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 10:16 PM
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I dated a guy named Bikram once. Hot indeed.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 10:20 PM
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Becks' fifth post in a row. Is she taking over the blog? Should I call 911?


Posted by: pdf23ds | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 10:25 PM
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I just decided that jogging wasn't doing enough for my muscle tone, so I started yoga again after a break of many years. But astanga this time. Ow ow ow ow.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 10:26 PM
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And as for your question, my late 20s was the time I wasn't doing yoga.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 10:28 PM
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3: Dude. That posture the woman is doing in that photo? Is partly how I managed to pop one of my lower lumbar discs from between the lumbar vertebrae a few years ago. Yes, it's great stuff, but be careful out there. (No, no one was standing on my back at the time.)

I hypothesize, in any case, that people mostly consider themselves too cool in their younger 20s to do yoga. It took me a while when I first started yoga (in my mid-20s) to get control of my snickering fits in class. That was in the late 80s, and yoga was gay. Maybe perceptions regarding coolness have changed.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 10:53 PM
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As an atheist, I'm repelled by all the spirituality crap (no offense) that seems to go along with yoga. I otherwise probably would have tried it by now, and I'm in my early twenties.


Posted by: pdf23ds | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 11:01 PM
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As a Bay Aryan, I'm inherently suspicious of all the "spirituality crap" as well. Is there anything valuable in yoga, and what is it exactly?


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 11:04 PM
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Stretching and calisthenics are valuable, yes.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 11:05 PM
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As are relaxation and learning to be mindful of your breathing.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 11:05 PM
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I have occasionally though of participating in yoga-related program activities, but it costs money and I understand one is advised to buy special clothing.

Instead, tomorrow I am biking through Palomares Canyon, for which special clothing would admittedly be useful but which is otherwise free, modulo bart fare.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 11:12 PM
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I'm thinking I'd like to take Tai Chi. Like Yoga in effect, but tangentially related to kicks to the head!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 11:14 PM
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And stress relief. That's good too.

Of course, I can't reap any of the benefits right now because of my stupid gimpy ankle. Waah.


Posted by: Magpie | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 11:14 PM
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What Tweety said. I'm sure there are yoga classes out there that are full of the 'spirituality crap', but the best ones just talk about breathing, mindfulness, the value of quietude and stillness and focus, listening to your body. That's not particularly spiritual; it's just common sense about the mind-body connection.

And the stretching and building of core body strength.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 11:15 PM
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You would think that "free modulo bart fare" would mean that the cost could be any integer multiple of bart fare, but in fact that's not so.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 11:17 PM
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14: I understand one is advised to buy special clothing

What's that, now? Sweatpants (or stretchy pants of some sort) and a tee-shirt will do.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 11:17 PM
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17: Right, but the website for the yoga place near me was suspiciously flaky-sounding.


Posted by: pdf23ds | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 11:17 PM
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Sweatpants (or stretchy pants of some sort)

I would have to buy that.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 11:21 PM
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What's that, now? Sweatpants (or stretchy pants of some sort) and a tee-shirt will do.

I certainly don't own any stretchy pants. No poll tax!


Posted by: CN | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 11:21 PM
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20: Maybe so, maybe so. Who knows whether they're actually flaky, or just trying to appeal to a certain audience; or if they do other things besides yoga, making them sound more flaky.

I guess you could see whether they have an option to try one class in order to decide whether you like them. There are quite a few different types of yoga, some more flaky than others. I've forgotten now the type I wound up with (it was a mix hand-made by the two instructors I've had over time, not strictly adhering to one school, though leaning a particular direction, which direction I forget).


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 11:25 PM
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My only pair of stretchy pants have an ever-growing hole in the crotch. I would have to buy a new pair, unless I can find a place where I can practice crotchless yoga.


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 11:27 PM
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My ex-MIL teaches yoga of the decidedly flaky variety.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 11:28 PM
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I'm thinking I'd like to take Tai Chi. Like Yoga in effect, but tangentially related to kicks to the head!

And only slightly more tangential than most martial arts.


Posted by: pdf23ds | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 11:28 PM
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I'm thinking I'd like to take Tai Chi. Like Yoga in effect, but tangentially related to kicks to the head!

You should check out my teacher when/if you move back to Boston. He'll teach you how to break an elbow, dislocate a shoulder, and knock a person's feet out from under them in three easy and pleasant steps. He'll drive you insane explaining chi, though. And it will all take forever.


Posted by: mcmc | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 11:29 PM
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Life is tough for the non-owners of stretchy pants.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 11:29 PM
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Uh, I forgot to do italics. I've been working on video editing since three o'clock and I'm sort of punchy.


Posted by: mcmc | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 11:30 PM
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mindfulness
If there is a benefit to growing up amongst hippies, it is the recognition of "mindfulness" as a positive value, like honesty or industry.

P.S.:The Obama campaign has this in spades.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 11:31 PM
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20: there are, without question, some wicked flaky Yoga teachers. But there are also non-flaky Yoga teachers.

27: yeah I kinda dig long-winded explanations of Chi. It's a neat concept, if bullshit in its details.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 11:31 PM
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29: that's okay. I've been writing out endless series of conditional probabilities, which apparently has left me the same kind of punchy enough to get what you meant.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 11:32 PM
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Huh, apparently W-lfs-n's right there on the same punchy page with us.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 11:33 PM
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Also, he's deleting comments. What a minx.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 11:34 PM
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Sorry to make your comment make no sense, Sifu.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 11:34 PM
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(See, I thought I could sneakily add <pre> via the MT comment-editing facility to which I have access. But it still doesn't display them on the comment page anyway, stupidly enough—I thought it was just an input filter from mt-comments but apparently not. And the code is illegible, and illegal, without indentation. The comment used to be a link to this with some Haskell giving a solution.)


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 11:36 PM
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35: Honestly, W-lfs-n. We can do that for ourselves.


Posted by: mcmc | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 11:36 PM
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It's true, though. I exhibit great minxitas.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 11:36 PM
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What about shorts, Ben? Do you have shorts without so many pockets?


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 11:37 PM
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37: that's why I'm sorry.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 11:37 PM
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I don't have any shorts at all.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 11:37 PM
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(sum(P(A=1|B=0,E=i)*P(E=i) for i in {0,1})*(1-P(B=1))*P(J=1|A=0))/(sum(P(A=0|E=i,B=j)*P(E=i)*P(B=j) for i,j in {0,1})*sum(P(J=1|A=i)*P(A=i) for i in {0,1})) to you as well, ben!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 11:38 PM
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Is that J or APL, Sifu?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 11:39 PM
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J code to solve the problem, from the forums:


P=. p: i.&.(-&71274) 78498
t=. (+/\)"1 p:50(+/&i.)546
{:(#~ e.&P)({~([:(i. >./)(+./ * i:&1)@(e.&P)"1)) t

Of course!


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 11:42 PM
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For Yom Kippur, I did Gentle Jewish Yoga at a retreat center.

Then I dented somebody's Mini.


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 11:43 PM
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See, Ben bikes in jeans. Trousers, even.

You'll want to be a little careful about doing yoga in shorts, what with the shoulder stands and such possibly letting your bits hang out. Then again, you can just do yoga in your bikini briefs, like the guy pictured in 3.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 11:44 PM
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Hitting JD Drew in the arm with a pitch yesterday pays off, as he is unable to throw to the plate properly!


Posted by: CN | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 11:45 PM
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43: oh, it's neither. It's just my hacky transcription of my probability scribbling.

Like we'd get to use a programming language in my computer science class. Hah! Pencils are the new computers.

Although looking at 44, could be for the best.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 11:46 PM
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44 makes me want to kick someone in the head. Possibly enough to endure explanations of qi to do so.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 11:48 PM
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Fucking Timlin.
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If Portland had an official physical activity, it might well be yoga, even above hiking and ultimate frisbee. I probably know as many yoga instructors as I know massage therapists as I know people who display Tibetan prayer flags. Which is maybe a half-dozen of each.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 11:48 PM
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I've decided never to do any more math not on a computer. Alas, I want to learn math. So I have to create a program to let me manipulate math. (Notepad doesn't count, though I'll sooner use notepad to do some quick algebra than paper.) Computer algebra systems are great if you know what you're doing and why, but not so great for learning.


Posted by: pdf23ds | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 11:50 PM
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I've decided never to do any more math not on a computer.

I don't understand how this is compatible with doing math. What do you mean by "math"?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 11:51 PM
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51: mat...lab? Or Mathematica, even. Or both!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 11:52 PM
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I don't have any shorts at all.

I read this as an Apocalypse Now-style "I don't have... any shorts... at all."

The horror!


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 11:54 PM
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What I have in mind is something like Metamath (or some other formal proof system) with a really pretty interface and good integration with a CAS for calculations.


Posted by: pdf23ds | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 11:55 PM
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53: Umm, no.


Posted by: pdf23ds | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 11:56 PM
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"formal proof system"? Ugh.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 11:57 PM
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Weird. You're weird, weirdo.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 11:58 PM
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57: You must not be as much of a reductionist as I am.


Posted by: pdf23ds | Link to this comment | 10-11-08 11:58 PM
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Really, pen and paper and/or a blackboard are still around for a reason. I can understand wanting to do all arithmetic on a computer, or even all simple algebraic manipulations or derivatives and integrals, but good luck figuring out how to do actually interesting things without a way to scribble and draw pictures and arrows and whatnot....


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 12:00 AM
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I just can't figure out how you can get something as essentially creatively driven as proofs into software like that. I mean, I get that you can represent already generated proofs using software, but like, you're not going to be doing any productive proving with just that.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 12:01 AM
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Pwned, QED.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 12:01 AM
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Well, I'm not saying that I would completely forgo freeform scribblings, just that as many little mistakes I make, I wouldn't trust my lunch money with the scribblings.


Posted by: pdf23ds | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 12:01 AM
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I just did the Apan Vaya Mudra as linked in the original post. And I liked it.


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 12:01 AM
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good luck figuring out how to do actually interesting things without a way to scribble and draw pictures and arrows and whatnot

Hear, hear.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 12:02 AM
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61: Maybe you're more pessimistic about how nice well-designed UIs can be?


Posted by: pdf23ds | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 12:02 AM
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And if a robot doesn't trust his own scribblings, what chance do we puny human have?


Posted by: CN | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 12:04 AM
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But anyway, 51 was essentially just agreeing with 48 that it's kind of silly how little interaction with computers is involved in so much of computer science.


Posted by: pdf23ds | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 12:05 AM
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68: ah. Yeah. With you on that. Although in this particular case I can kind of grudgingly understand why I'm being made to do it.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 12:06 AM
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If I were a robot, I would trust my own scribblings. The problem is that I'm human, and consciously doing math wasn't terribly important in the ancestral environment.


Posted by: pdf23ds | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 12:06 AM
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69: Feel the power of Bayes course through your veins.


Posted by: pdf23ds | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 12:07 AM
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64: Yeah. I practiced it a bit too; nice. Whether it's kicking in various ... points of some sort I don't know, but for me it focused and calmed in the same way that certain yoga (or probably meditation) practices do. Likely tai chi as well. I realize that the Apan Vaya Mudra is supposed to be more specifically targeted.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 12:10 AM
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71: yes, yes, my network's belief grows stronger! Soon my potential intellect will be d-separated from my humble human roots and -- with my robot brethren -- I shall rule the world!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 12:14 AM
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I don't want to take the bait on the reductionism thing. I'll just say that I have to wonder, pdf23ds, if you have actual experience with doing mathematics (at the level of at least a good undergrad class, not baby stuff like calculus or linear algebra), because it sounds like you want to make it orders of magnitude more complicated and difficult than it already is, without adding any new insight along the way.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 12:21 AM
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I just did the Apan Vaya Mudra as linked in the original post. And I liked it. [And then I went to hell]


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 12:27 AM
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Weird, this Apan Vaya Mudra thing actually does make me feel good. But but I hate this kind of crypto-mystic bullshit!


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 12:29 AM
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how little interaction with computers is involved in so much of computer science.

Shorter CS-101: "Assume a turing machine."


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 12:29 AM
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Good lord, practice of the Apan Vaya Mudra is ogged's legacy. He'd be laughing his head off. No longer is it "Who wants to sex Mutombo?" but rather, dude: strange hand symbol contortion. We do this for our hearts.

Excellent.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 12:36 AM
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74: And I think your impression of the difficulty of doing formal computer proofs is based on the infancy of the field, and could be remedied by having a sufficiently powerful program and large enough library to manipulate proofs with. And as my main expertise is in program design, I'm going to claim expert knowledge there.

Even the existing proof systems (Isabelle, Coq, Hol, Mizar) would be more than adequate to easily do maths as abstract and abstruse as you like if your proof system knew as much of the theory as you did. In fact, the only reason I'm writing my own program rather than start with one of the abovementioned ones are several rather technical reasons.


Posted by: pdf23ds | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 12:41 AM
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74: Now, if your advice was just that this is a terrible way to go about learning math, then I'd certainly agree. On the other hand, if the program I'm writing were already written it would be a good way to learn math. (Also note that a lot of the formalization is already done by the Metamath project, so I don't have to construct the complex numbers from set theory from predicate logic from sequent calculus.)


Posted by: pdf23ds | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 12:44 AM
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if your advice was just that this is a terrible way to go about learning math, then I'd certainly agree

Yeah, this was pretty much my point. If learning math is your goal, do it the old-fashioned way. If the proof system in itself is your goal, that's another story. Have fun with it. I wouldn't, but that's neither here nor there.

In any case, I'm not a mathematician (although there's a point at which some things I work on come close to it), but I do have a math degree and for me a lot of the experience of learning mathematics was learning when you have to dig into the details of something and write everything out explicitly, and when it's safe to gloss over them. It seems to me that a computerized system would make it hard to do this sort of organization. But maybe it would automate the 'glossing over' and make it safe without adding any more work. I don't have a sense of what a useful proof system of the sort you talk about would be like.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 12:54 AM
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So this is like the Principia Mathematica hypercard stack? Because I swear they tried that the old-fashioned way, and it didn't buy them much.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 12:56 AM
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pd reminds me of my semi-autistic best friend who obsessively rewrites his code because "the numbers just aren't random enough", but is unwilling to take a statistics course because he's unwilling to trust anyone else's data.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 12:58 AM
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81: Well, I don't think "glossing over" would ever be completely safe, but one of the steps I'm planning on letting you include in proofs is just an "assume X |- Y", skipping over some bit you want to either get back to later, or let the computer search for a proof for (maybe just when it has spare cycles or something), or just leave how it is. And keep track of them so you know when some higher-level inference depends somewhere on one of them. You might call them "theorem-local inference rules". But I think I'll probably call them "glosses".


Posted by: pdf23ds | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 1:00 AM
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Surely there is a Coq joke to be made about 79.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 1:01 AM
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83: Well, I'm not autistic, but I'm sick and tired of not having any trustworthy computerized source to say "yes, your math here is good, no mistakes". Because I make a math mistake in every other step otherwise.

82: Well, sort of. Except that I think PM's proofs were like way, way longer than they really needed to be. Metamath accomplishes about the same thing, but their proofs are much more readable.


Posted by: pdf23ds | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 1:03 AM
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Or even semi-autistic, according to my psychologist. I have non-verbal learning disorder, though, which shares a couple of similarities.


Posted by: pdf23ds | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 1:05 AM
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Oh, and my visual short term memory is shit. (On that portion of the IQ test I scored in the 1st percentile. My visual cortex is an imbecile.) I think probably most people that are good at math use lots of visualization to help them think about it, and I have to use other parts of my brain that aren't nearly as effective, for math in particular. Writing a program is my way of working around that, since it can all be there on the screen all the time.


Posted by: pdf23ds | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 1:11 AM
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82: WTF do you mean it "didn't buy them much"? All they were after was peace of mind, some sort of philosophical satisfaction. Now that we have computers, that sort of formalization has practical applications. 70 years ago I would have scoffed at them too (impressive as PM is).

For similar reasons, Godel's incompleteness theorem doesn't really bother me that much. (So you can't prove Peano's consistency with Peano? So what? Who cares?) I'm quite pragmatic.


Posted by: pdf23ds | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 1:15 AM
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not taichi or yoga or math, but i can't resist to share some health care tips coz it's very easy and in my lazy exercizes category
so it involves acupressure on two major points: one on the top of the nead, the uppermost point, which one finds easily coz if to press on it it's pretty painful
the second point is where your spine ends, so apply finger pressure to the points simultaneously a minute or so repeat 5-6 times and everything is balanced in your body, good to do it in the morning, pressures can vary, can be pressed until pain will disappear when pressing on the point
i think i wrote about making various planes by fingers to boost memory and overall brain function
ogged's hand figure looks like making home by fingers, but not identically to that coz that ties both hands together and the Apan Vaya Mudra like figure is a part of it, i knew it should be good for something
i was asked once what are you doing, yoga? when was doing that on the plane just to move my hands


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 6:32 AM
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I would put a low probability for success on your project, pdf23ds, but I still say: go for it! Automated theorem proving will never succeed without enough people trying enough different ideas, each of which have a low probability for success.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 7:50 AM
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My redneck uncle who does Civil War re-enactments on the side of the South, who is in his fifities and lives an hour or so from the West Virginia border, does yoga.

I think it's hit its peak.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 8:06 AM
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Well, I'm not autistic, but

Would it be rude (because I don't mean it that way at all) to mention that you've seemed much more extroverted in the last month or two in comment threads? Not just the quantity of comments, but also the light-heartedness or qualitatively more outgoing.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 8:10 AM
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Quick, everybody do the Kubera Mudra. It's up to us to save the economy.


Posted by: mcmc | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 8:11 AM
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head, of course, i have no idea why i typed n instead of h


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 8:17 AM
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somewhere i've read description of laconic extrovert, msnbc i think, which meant that one is extrovert but not very articulate and i liked that


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 8:22 AM
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From the link in 94:
Do this with each hand. Many people ... use it when they are looking for something specific-a free parking space

Another reason not to drive in India.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 8:22 AM
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I don't know what Becks is on about re: D.C. I left in 2004 and I knew lots of people doing yoga for years before that, including my very self. In fact, I haven't been able to find nearly as good a yoga teacher here in hippieville, where I'm sure there are far more yoga classes per capita, as I had in D.C.

Ashtanga was big in my circle, though I did Iyengar.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 8:32 AM
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93: it's the math, isn't it?

I still don't exactly get pdf's project, but more power to him.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 9:10 AM
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He wants an interactive proof checker. There are interactive proof checkers, but nobody uses them seriously. Most people think it's because they fail to be useful at the "proof checker" part -- they are unable to fill in steps a human would have no trouble filling in. Pdf thinks that they fail at the "interactive" part -- their user interfaces are so terrible that nobody in their right mind would use them.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 9:25 AM
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OT: I'd like to interrupt this thread for a moment to ask for an excellent pumpkin pie recipe. Got any?


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102: I annually look up Alton Brown's recipe on Food.com. If I recall correctly, it calls for fresh pumpkin and yogurt.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 9:32 AM
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What you need, AWB, is an interactive pumpkin pie recipe checker.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 9:34 AM
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Bourbon! Bourbon is key!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 9:38 AM
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I'm searching for Alton's pie recipe and can't find it.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 9:40 AM
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Ah. I guess that's because it's his sweet potato pie recipe I was thinking of. Now I can't remember what I did for the pumpkin pie. Damn.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 9:54 AM
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Oh good, a topic change I can believe in. You all lost me somewhere around "Gentle Jewish Yoga."

There were a thread
last year, but it was a little short on actual recipes. I think I used the recipe off the Libby's can with B's suggested spice modifications.


Posted by: Magpie | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 9:58 AM
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werewas


Posted by: Magpie | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 9:59 AM
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I think I'm going to go with this one, except no crunchy cranberry topping. Pecans, yes! Whipped cream, yes!


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 10:00 AM
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Well, I did a google search for "Alton Brown's Pumpkin Pie Recipe", and found a pumpkin pie recipe featuring yogurt and attributed to Alton Brown. It is not technically on a website affiliated with Alton Brown, though.


Posted by: CN | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 10:00 AM
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112 reads very much like a dirty joke, and yet is not one!

My pie-making friend's husband has headed off to the store for the Tyler Florence ingredients. We're roasting our own pumpkin for the pie. I just really need to sober up before handling a knife.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 10:02 AM
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I'll type in Rose Berenbaum's if you want. It's good, but does require crushed gingersnaps.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 10:11 AM
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I confess that I like canned pumpkin pie filling better than homemade.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 10:21 AM
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I'd like to interrupt this thread for a moment to ask for an excellent pumpkin pie recipe. Got any?

Such a thing does not exist.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 10:23 AM
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115: Well, you can't have any of our pie, then.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 10:23 AM
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116: Yeah, I asked, in part, because I may have only eaten pumpkin pie once in my life. It wasn't something that was ever in our house, so I can't wing it. But my friends went upstate to buy pumpkins to roast and make into pies, and I'm the only one of us who makes a good homemade pie crust.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 10:25 AM
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Butter, Crisco, or lard?


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 10:28 AM
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Butter. I'm a vegetarian, and Crisco is nasty.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 10:30 AM
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119: Manteca all the way.

120: You're missing out. Lard in pie crust is so abstracted from an actual animal you could totally get away with it.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 10:33 AM
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A crust made with both is a good compromise: flaky and not too crumbly, but with plenty of butter flavor.


Posted by: Amber | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 10:33 AM
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Both = butter and shortening.


Posted by: Amber | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 10:34 AM
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Not to change the subject, but from a brief unscientific survey of acquaintances who are practitioners, yoga has been huge among DCitizens for at least five years. It first caught on with the 30somethings (and up) and has been growing in the younger demographics. Oh yes. Still mostly women although - surprise! - as younger women have gotten more involved, so have younger men.


Posted by: bill | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 10:35 AM
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I love love love pumpkin pie.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 10:39 AM
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OMFG. For the past two years, whenever I've gone to make a pie, I've been searching like hell for my pie plate, before I remember "Oh shit, I lost my pie plate in the breakup." And, for some reason, I seem to be incapable of just BUYING A NEW ONE. So instead, all pie-making has to begin with the traumatic memory of where my pie plate is and why I don't have it anymore. Fucking hell. I need to just buy a new pie plate, but I resent having to. Motherfucker.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 10:42 AM
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Disposable tinfoil piepans from the grocery store? Environmentally unsound, but untraumatic.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 10:46 AM
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126: I had a rolly pizza slicer in a similar situation. The emotional cost of buying a new rolly pizza slicer is far too high, so I end up using a butter knife, which doesn't really work.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 10:50 AM
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You should have more than one pie plate anyhow. What if you have to make two pies? It happens!


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 10:50 AM
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I felt that way about the knife set. Then I finally bought a new set and we are very happy together.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 10:52 AM
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So instead, all pie-making has to begin with the traumatic memory of where my pie plate is and why I don't have it anymore. Fucking hell. I need to just buy a new pie plate, but I resent having to. Motherfucker.

I think if you still had the pie plate it would reawaken the same painful memories. That's what happens with my colander. So you're better off this way; you can start anew with a pie plate with no awkward associations.


Posted by: CN | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 10:58 AM
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last month my sister sent me a tea set, but she sent me that just in the shopping bag all the way from Japan, though usually she's pretty practical
so when i got it two of the bigger plates and a small round bowl were broken and now i have a nice tea cup with a rectangle plate
to break plates are a good sign btw
i loved to eat okashis she sent me coz those were not very sweet, so familiar


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 11:03 AM
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I took about a year of tai chi with a guy who was fairly into explaining all the twisting/snapping/crushing/breaking sort of applications that many of the postures supposedly have.

Fun stuff, but the total lack of real sparring and drilling of the applications doesn't really make for much in the way of martial skill from the practitioners. I know some schools go in for a fair bit of sparring and application work but those aren't the norm, I don't think, even among the more martially focused schools.

The class I went to was somewhere in the middle between the New Age moving meditation bunch and the bunch of Tai Chi-ers that enter full contact competitions. Even at that mid way point [which was way closer to fighting than many schools I've seen], it wasn't really practical stuff.

It was really fun, though, and good for lower body strength.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 11:29 AM
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Yoga has many varieties: Yoga-wine tasting.

http://travel.nytimes.com/2006/12/15/travel/escapes/15Yoga.html

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/12/15/travel/yoga2_190.jpg

I could see a demand for a Gunnery Sergeant Hartman Texas Christian Football Coach style of motivational, not calming, yoga.


14, 121: BART does not yet go to Manteca. Even Livermore is ten years away.



Posted by: Econolicious, stretching sommelier | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 12:03 PM
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133: Yes, it's kind of sad--my teacher is a really ass-kicking 75-year-old, but he doesn't have anyone to follow him in the full ass-kicking tradition. We practice joint locks and so forth but he doesn't often teach throws, sweeps, strikes etc. at the school because the board says the insurance doesn't cover that kind of activity -- they have yoga insurance. I don't really mind because I don't enjoy getting knocked down that much, otherwise I'd ask for private lessons. But properly applied the stuff is quite painful, so I'm not up for it.

His son said tai ch'i was too boring and he's now a somethingth-degree black belt in TKD. Sam says he'll be sorry when he's old and can't do that jumping around anymore.


Posted by: mcmc | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 12:04 PM
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We practice joint locks and so forth but he doesn't often teach throws, sweeps, strikes etc. ...

We practiced those things, too. They were an adjunct to the core 'form' practice, but they were practiced fairly regularly. But that's a world away from classes where free sparring is a regular thing.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 12:09 PM
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Sure, it's one thing to know how to do it, and another thing to remember it while someone is hitting you.


Posted by: mcmc | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 12:52 PM
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But that's a world away from classes where free sparring is a regular thing.

Incidentally, did my 135 give you the impression that I was unaware of this? I would have thought it clear that I understood it already.


Posted by: mcmc | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 12:56 PM
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The emotional cost of buying a new rolly pizza slicer is far too high, so I end up using a butter knife, which doesn't really work.

Use scissors.


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I just heard this song on the radio. Horribly sexist, but I couldn't help laughing my ass off either.

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Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 2:39 PM
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I felt that way about the knife set. Then I finally bought a new set and we are very happy together.

Don't be rube! Buy the knives you actually use individually!

Bike ride!


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 3:12 PM
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Buy the knives you actually use individually!

I had grand plans of doing this, of course. Gazed longingly at the display when I went into Sur la Table for little things like spatulas and cake pans. Made plans for when I'd be able to make it in on a weekend, when they actually let you try them out, feel the weight and balance and grip.

And then Costco had a set from a decent brand on sale for what I probably would have spend on only two or three individual knives and I bought it and found it a vast improvement over the $4 Ikea versions I'd been making due with.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 3:20 PM
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If it works for you, I won't carp (much). But IME two or three individual knives is all you need—in fact, aside from a bread knife and paring knife, both of which can be had in perfectly good versions for cheap, I basically only use one knife.

And it was free! I found it when someone in my building in Palo Alto moved out and put a box of stuff for the taking out. But before that I also basically only used one knife.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 3:23 PM
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re: 138

I didn't mean to ruffle feathers. It's just I've attended classes where people tell me they do 'fight practice' when what they are doing is a world away from classes where people really do, iyswim. And it's not always apparent to those people that other people, elsewhere, are doing it differently. At one time, I was one of those people.

I didn't mean to imply you didn't personally know the difference.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 3:23 PM
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I basically only use one knife.

Yeah, I have one biggish general purpose chef's knife/kitchen knife. Apart from bread that is basically it. I never use paring knives -- always cut myself. It's either the big knife or a peeler.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 3:25 PM
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I like the chef's knife and santoku (though I find them pretty interchangeable for my purposes, it's true). I've high hopes for the carving knife. Plus! Kitchen shears and a nice block to store these plus my cheap Ikea steak knives.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 3:29 PM
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a superstition is that if you get a knife from someone else, not buy it yourself or make it,
you have to break off its pointy edge to ward off its harmful spirits, coz in olden times the knives, kinjals f.e were very individual items to own


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 3:34 PM
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There's an American superstition (although it's pretty dead -- I keep on running into people who never heard of it) that you shouldn't give knives as presents, because the knife cuts the friendship. If you want to give someone a knife, you make them pay you a penny for it so it's a sale rather than a gift.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 3:38 PM
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I didn't mean to imply you didn't personally know the difference.

Oh good. So I won't have to school you with my awesome ninja skills.


Posted by: mcmc | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 3:39 PM
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Heh, if you're a ninjitsu guy, I'm safe. Unless it's night time, and I'm dressed like an 18th century samurai.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 4:13 PM
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FWIW, btw, the stuff I train in isn't uber-hard and deadly either [it involves spandex unitards, ffs].


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 4:14 PM
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And comic 19thC manuals starring men with handlebar mustaches. The mustaches are key to the fighting style, I understand.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 4:17 PM
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Mcmc is definitely not a ninjitsu guy.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 4:18 PM
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Yes, this is how I explain away the fact that my competitive fight record stands at 0-5 [which, tragically, it does*]. Once I master the moustache, I will be eeenveenseebuhl.

* although one was a split decision, which I tell myself, is almost a win.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 4:28 PM
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I personal do not like to receive hand grenades as gifts, though I accept them politely and with apparent joy. Just a quirk of mine.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 4:31 PM
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154: The key is wax. Once in the possession of moustache wax, nothing can stand in your way.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 4:33 PM
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put a box of stuff for the taking out

of?


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Yes.

http://www.gentlemans-shop.com/acatalog/taylors-moustache-wax.html


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 4:43 PM
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What kind of world do we live in where a google image search for "meatstache wax" gives no results? Rule 34, why have you deserted us?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 4:47 PM
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"meatstache" itself gives a mere 47 web pages, and even fewer pitctures.


Posted by: CN | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 4:52 PM
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My uncle waxes his 'stache.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 7:28 PM
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My uncle waxes his 'stache.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 10-12-08 7:28 PM
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i can easily imagine how it is to be a man, maybe almost no difference, just a little bit more concentrated and productive and not trying to multitask
but shaving every other day must be pretty annoying


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 10-13-08 6:57 AM
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Re 148 - A variation on the U.S. knife-giving superstition is that if you give someone a knife, you give them the penny too, so that they can hand the penny back to you and the "sale" is complete. It all seems a little synthetic. I mean, why not three peppercorns or a twig? Or just throw salt over your shoulder - knife-giving problem solved?


Posted by: bill | Link to this comment | 10-13-08 9:10 AM
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Mcmc is definitely not a ninjitsu guy.

Maybe not, but she might still rage all over you if you mess with her.


Posted by: Will | Link to this comment | 10-13-08 9:20 AM
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You should have more than one pie plate anyhow. What if you have to make two pies? It happens!

I made three pies yesterday! But I still havent had the guts to try and make Redfoxtailshrub's eye of goat yet.


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I must take issue with the premise that no one practices yoga in DC. Yoga popularizer/chronicler Hanna Rosin resides in DC. I once saw her and her husband doing a funky headstand pose in waiting area of the USAirways shuttle.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 10-13-08 4:59 PM
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