Re: The third time's the time after the second time

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Pacing!


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 11- 5-08 11:01 PM
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Oh, you're one to talk.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11- 5-08 11:02 PM
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Hello, nice site.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11- 5-08 11:04 PM
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What are CDs for?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11- 5-08 11:39 PM
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I can show you, Sifu. Do you want 2 CDs?


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 11- 5-08 11:40 PM
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I have too many CDs already. All I do with CDs is rip them and try and find someplace out of the way to put them.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11- 5-08 11:41 PM
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Well then I suppose I will post the punchline to 5 at Standpipe's other blog and leave it at that.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 11- 5-08 11:42 PM
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And here I am running all the threads through text-to-speech and everything.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11- 5-08 11:47 PM
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I'm intrigued by Ben's use of "n'at," which I had thought were arcane Pittsburghese.


Posted by: Amis | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 7:41 AM
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Speaking of which, I canvassed in P'burg for four days, and only heard 'yinz' once, from a lovely woman who was talking about how delighted she was to have voted, and how she'd told her boyfriend's adult kids that they were fools not to have registered. Has it fallen out of use? She wasn't old -- late 30s, or maybe 40s.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 8:08 AM
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I've lived here 8 years now and have heard a total of one person (a bus driver) say "yinz". Whereas all kinds of people say "n'at" or its upscale cousin, "n'that".


Posted by: Cryptec Nid | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 8:10 AM
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Is 'yinz' the Scots for 'ones', so to speak? Didn't know that was a Pittsburgism?


Posted by: OneFatEnglishman | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 8:18 AM
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It's a second-person plural, like 'y'all' or 'youse'. 'Ones' might be the same, but I'm not sure what 'ones' means.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 8:37 AM
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i'd love to receive cds in mail, last yr it was nice
i'd collect and burn for your convenience the downloadable youtube links i posted sometimes
but i read people seem to not watch youtube links


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 8:44 AM
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My understanding is that 'yinz' is found predominantly around the Mon Valley - I lived in the East End for nearly 30 years and would never have heard it - or 'n'at' - but for some relatives from that area.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 8:53 AM
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My understanding is that 'yinz' is found predominantly around the Mon Valley - I lived in the East End for nearly 30 years and would never have heard it - or 'n'at' - but for some relatives from that area.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 8:53 AM
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My understanding is that 'yinz' is found predominantly around the Mon Valley - I lived in the East End for nearly 30 years and would never have heard it - or 'n'at' - but for some relatives from that area.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 8:53 AM
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My understanding is that 'yinz' is found predominantly around the Mon Valley - I lived in the East End for nearly 30 years and would never have heard it - or 'n'at' - but for some relatives from that area.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 8:53 AM
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My understanding is that 'yinz' is found predominantly around the Mon Valley - I lived in the East End for nearly 30 years and would never have heard it - or 'n'at' - but for some relatives from that area.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 8:53 AM
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My understanding is that 'yinz' is found predominantly around the Mon Valley - I lived in the East End for nearly 30 years and would never have heard it - or 'n'at' - but for some relatives from that area.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 8:54 AM
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My understanding is that 'yinz' is found predominantly around the Mon Valley - I lived in the East End for nearly 30 years and would never have heard it - or 'n'at' - but for some relatives from that area.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 8:54 AM
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My understanding is that 'yinz' is found predominantly around the Mon Valley - I lived in the East End for nearly 30 years and would never have heard it - or 'n'at' - but for some relatives from that area.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 8:54 AM
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Ah! Horrifying. Apologies. That was me.


Posted by: Amis | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 8:56 AM
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I think someone's got the glass mercury bird with the top hat sitting so that it hits the "post" key each time he goes to drink the water.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 8:56 AM
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There is a "yunz" (for "you ones") that gets used sometimes way up the mountain in Appalachia here in NC; related?


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 8:57 AM
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I was in the Mon valley, or at least I was crossing the Rufus J. Malady bridge across the mighty Monogohela several times a day. Still, only one 'yinz'.

And I'm sure it's the same as the NC Appalachian 'yunz' -- it's all the same mountains, isn't it?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 9:13 AM
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Huh-- I dont know Pittsburgh, but you'ns is common in the Ozarks. It's definitely you'ns, not yinz though.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 9:14 AM
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If you say them both out loud, they're not that far off -- yinz is just faster, so the two syllables blur into one.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 9:18 AM
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I've lived here 8 years now and have heard a total of one person (a bus driver) say "yinz".

You're also affiliated with a university, aren't you? Which probably changes who you're likely to run into. I have relatives that say 'yinz.' But in answer to LB, it seems to be less common among younger people, and I associate more with blue collar workers. It's not nearly as common as the rest of the accent (swallowed Ls, "ah" for "ow", "stillworkers", etc.)


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 9:28 AM
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I would be interested though, at the moment, I have no inspiration for a new mix.


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 9:28 AM
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I don't think people wanting to receive should also be required to put out; it wasn't that way last year, anyway, and I think it worked well enough.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 9:29 AM
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I may take advantage of that possibility, but I figure I have a couple of weeks to come up with an idea, so I hope to put something together.


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 9:38 AM
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You're also affiliated with a university, aren't you? Which probably changes who you're likely to run into.

I said I hear "n'at" all the time. But never yinz. I think it's been too much of a stereotype and people have stopped doing it.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 9:41 AM
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I don't think people wanting to receive should also be required to put out

I definitely want to receive and could put out a mix but it would take me a while to get it put together.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 9:43 AM
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There is a "yunz" (for "you ones") that gets used sometimes way up the mountain in Appalachia here in NC; related?

Yes - for the same reason Pgh is the "capital of Appalachia." It's the same population as "Sons of Albion" or whatever the hell that is.

The only native Pittsburghers in the East End are blacks and Jews, and neither of them say "yinz." Quite common on the South Side, however.

I think it's been too much of a stereotype and people have stopped doing it.

You need to get out of the City more, Ned. Or hire more workmen. I don't know if it was ever more common*, but it's still plenty common.

* Probably was before the post-steel diaspora.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 10:04 AM
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I'd be game, let me know if it's going to happen.


Posted by: KJ | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 10:06 AM
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Also, I endorse 29.

And "yinz" generally sounds more like "yunz" - or even "ynz." Depends on the individual and how it flows with the speech.

I am genuinely surprised that LB didn't hear it more. Elizabeth is even getting into the more rural areas where it's even more common than in the Steel Valley.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 10:09 AM
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Was always fascinated by yunz/yinz and have made a point trying to track its usage (and query natives) over my 30 years off and on residency.

1) I certainly hear it less these days. (The change may be in me.) One of my kids heard it in a restaurant recently (where I've heard it used most. "Yinz ready to order" might be regarded as a relic idiom that might survive its other uses.)

2) When I heard it more in the late 70s & 80s, it was generally within a trapezoid that extended from Washington, PA up as far as State College. The most pronounced usage I found was in Latrobe/Greensburg (Westmoreland County just east of Pittsburgh).


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 10:13 AM
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My uncle - who moved to WestmoCo at age 15 - has the most godawful yinzer accent, but doesn't actually say "yinz." But his mother (who lived with him until her death) was a grammar Nazi, so that's not surprising.

When I was in college, I couldn't even do a good yinzer imitation - not enough examples. 13 years later, and plenty of working with yinzers, I now can. Sometimes unwittingly (ack).


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 10:30 AM
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What the Yinzers need is a "Fargo"-type movie. What would it be called? "Punxsutawney"?


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 10:39 AM
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I would call it "Wilmerding".


Posted by: Cryptec Nid | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 10:40 AM
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Wilmerding it is. Now all we need is ten million dollars and a script.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 10:43 AM
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Would an incest-themed movie work for that area?


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 10:43 AM
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I would call it "Wilmerding".

Could be confusing. People might think it's a teen flick set in a San Francisco High School.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 10:50 AM
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The Lick-Wilmerding jokes write themselves, though for that very reason they're not actually funny.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 10:53 AM
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I bought blank CDs explicitly for this purpose.

Also, my band Gestures just recorded an album! I would like to send Unfogged Nation a copy but right now we're still debating whether we want to press CDs, press vinyl and sell MP3s over iTunes, or just sell MP3s. Someone is making art for it so I think a physical copy in some form is likely. But good god, is it ever expensive to print CDs.


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 10:58 AM
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39: I've mostly lost the ability to do the accent, even though I can now hear it more clearly than I used to. I can hear it in my sisters when I visit and I never could before. You have to let your jaw slacken a little and push all the sounds to the back of your throat, except for the ones that have to go up your nose.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 10:59 AM
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Wilmerding is ambiguous? All right then, change it to "Zelienople".


Posted by: Cryptec Nid | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 11:02 AM
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Or "Latrobe", that has some national resonance.


Posted by: Cryptec Nid | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 11:08 AM
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Okay, here's something that was weird, and I don't know if it's a P'burgism or just an odd waitress. I had breakfast in a diner with my sister one morning, and the waitress referred to us as "Honeys" and "Dears" a couple of times. "Honey" and "Dear" to the person you're talking to isn't odd, but using the plural to talk about the people at a table collectively is something I've never heard anyone else do. Is that regional, or just an odd person?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 11:42 AM
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I've heard "dears" plenty of times as a Southern thing but never "honeys."


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 11:47 AM
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I believe there's a band called Zelienople.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 11:54 AM
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50: I'd say odd person.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 11:54 AM
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"Zelienople".

I always used to say that, in Pittsburgh, you don't need the phrase "Buttfuck, Nowhere," because we have "Zelienople".


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 11:58 AM
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In NC, we have Zebulon. And Lizard Lick.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 12:01 PM
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In The Emperor, Kapuscinski relates an anecdote about Haile Selassie's dog, who would pee on the shoes of dignitaries in his court; the dignitaries were expected to suffer the insult without flinching. Obama should get one of those.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 12:05 PM
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Would an incest-themed movie work for that area?

No.

But you could do a Robot flick.

50: Yes, odd. Although, to 51, "hon" is the Standard Pittsburgh Greeting from waitress to customer.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 12:06 PM
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Wrong thread, but my point stands.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 12:07 PM
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It's between "Zelionople" and "Latrobe".

I say it should be an incest-themed movie with Scarlett and Natalie in the leads.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 12:07 PM
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Congrats on going blue, apo.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 12:13 PM
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Why does there have to be incest? Couldn't it just be a lesbian-themed movie with Scarlett and Natalie in the leads?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 12:13 PM
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Just before the climactic scene, they turn to the camera and say simultaneously "this is for my internet friend -- your internet friend -- John Emerson".


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 12:15 PM
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Well, in "Latrobe" they could be chased by Zombie Mr. Rogers into the old Rolling Rock plant. Presumably one (or both) could fall into a vat of beer while wearing a white top.

For "Zelienople," the best I can come up with is that they're just good farm girls indulging their native curiosity, when exurban sprawl threatens their distinctive and important lifestyle.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 12:16 PM
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best I can come up with is that they're just good farm girls indulging their native curiosity, when exurban sprawl threatens their distinctive and important lifestyle.

Don't put yourself down, JRoth. That's a classic theme right there.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 12:17 PM
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62 FTW.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 12:21 PM
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But good god, is it ever expensive to print CDs.

I think we did it recently for about a buck a CD, but you do have to get up towards 1000 discs to get that sort of pricing. I presume you're using Disc Makers?


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 12:22 PM
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Ooh! There could be a subplot about the Town Drunk who finds himself having to ride his bike farther and farther afield to find non-chain bars.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 12:24 PM
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Surely vinyl must be even more expensive?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 12:33 PM
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68: I think so but apparently someone in the band can get us a deal on printing vinyl. However, it's not so great a deal that we can do both vinyl and compact disc. It would cost us a lot more to print 1,000 CDs then it has cost us to mix and master the thing (though truth be told we got discounts on both services).

I guess we'd be using Disc Makers? Does that price include art?

Becks says I should send this job overseas to some company in India.


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 12:40 PM
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Does that price include art?

Yeah. Our last run of 1000 came out to just under $1200 total, including art and shipping.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 12:42 PM
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Congrats on going blue, apo.

The guy who found me got the belt undone just in time. Top notch orgasm, though.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 12:43 PM
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I'm not the only town drunk here on a bicycle. I'm just the only one who still has his drivers' licence.

I envision a steaming love scene in a quaint Amish farmhouse, and in the background the sounds of the demolition crew tearing down the quaint Amish farmhouses one by one in order to build a Walmart.

Will Scarlett and Natalie escape in time? Or will their surging passion make them forget about the passage of time and the looming peril? Tune in for our next episode!


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 12:48 PM
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Our last run of 1000 came out to just under $1200 total, including art and shipping

Oh, then that's not too bad. We have half a dozen people in our band, so that splits just fine. And band funds have paid for most everything else so far.

But how are we supposed to sell it, now that W-lfs-n isn't doing a radio show? I was looking to get in on some payola. I have compromising pictures of Ben with Labs.


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 12:48 PM
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I envision a steaming love scene in a quaint Amish farmhouse

I saw that movie!
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090329/


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 12:51 PM
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But how are we supposed to sell it

If you figure that part out, do be a pal and share.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 12:58 PM
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I would return from the dead for you, Armhamsher.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 1:14 PM
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73: If I had to do it all over again, I would have done only a short boutique run of the CDs, gone totally digital. Also I would have booked more than two shows this year.

We used Little Radio Media Manufacturing and got 1000 CDs in jewel boxes for $893. jimmy at little radio dot com was the contact. I can't find media manufacturing up at littleradio.com so they have gotten out of the biz.


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 1:32 PM
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42: In Indecision, Dwight Wilmerding's email address is wilmerdingansich@[something].com


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 1:36 PM
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So, you publicly cop to reading a book by a successor of n?

The successors of n sent me an email recently. They have an Institute now—succ(n)I—and they are throwing a conference, or something. Topic: the NEW New York Intellectuals.

Like, gag me with a finland station.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 1:42 PM
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So, I know this thread is actually all about what one loosely refers to as "wit", but I happen to have several recent mixes (on my new Macbook!) and would be hideously thrilled to burn copies for people who email me. I might even throw in a humorous left-wing button (mostly '68 slogans; also 'no war but the class war').

Things one might find on the mixes in question: The Homosexuals; Red Krayola; the Art Bears; James Chance; New Age Steppers; lots and lots of early Mekons; generalized pretentiousness--both mixes made for the bookstore where I volunteer and thus both are absolutely prime DFH material. You'll laugh! You'll cry! You'll check to see whether you're accidentally injuring a mouse!


Posted by: Frowner | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 1:52 PM
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79: Publicly cop? I'm a big fan. It was a tiff, I got over it.


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 1:56 PM
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The Homosexuals! I've never actually heard anything by them but People Who Know talk them up a lot, or used to, back when I was paying attention.

The Art Bears of course are tip-top-notch. Frith and Cutler at the most recent FIMAV did a thing called "The Art Bears Songbook" (Kraus didn't participate but they did get three other singers) which reportedly rocked.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 1:56 PM
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The Homosexuals! They're playing their first show ever in DC next week. I'm there!

I'd take such a mix, Frownie. I would trade you for, um, probably my band's disc. Right now my music drive is down and I haven't been able to update my iPod in months.


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 2:00 PM
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I'm going to remain in the realm of pure bits, but anyone who would like my band's CD, email me.


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 2:05 PM
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I'm going to remain in the realm of pure bits,

How does your fiancée feel about that?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 2:08 PM
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I would like a copy of Wrongshore's latest album, Pure Bits. But the album art's indispensable for that one.


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 2:31 PM
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The Homosexuals are/were the most amazing band EVAR! It's difficult to overrate them.

Send me your address, 'Smasher, and I will send a CD. A band CD in exchange would be very nice indeed.

I could even make a special fancy Homosexuals-heavy one for W-lfs-n to minimize the dreary dreariness of hearing the rest of my terribly vieux jeux choices. (Actually, W-lfs-n, it was your recommendation which caused me to procure the Art Bears boxed set. Worth every penny, as those inexplicable people who manage to spend their money prudently say.)



Posted by: Frowner | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 2:38 PM
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I am glad I have something to offer the DFHs.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 2:43 PM
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The Homosexuals! They're playing their first show ever in DC next week. I'm there!

Wait, what? Their one CD is, like, thirty years old. They're back together?


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 3:55 PM
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71: Still smiling. Must be hockey season 'cause apo shoots and scores.


Posted by: bill | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 4:08 PM
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The third time's the time after the second time

oh. thank god for that.


Posted by: Michael | Link to this comment | 11- 6-08 7:07 PM
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Some guy writes to Josh Marshall.

"2. Even with Mrs. Pale-in-Comparison being galactically uninformed and generally ditzy, it's hard to believe she thought the whole of Africa was one country or that South Africa was in fact a country and not a region"


Posted by: David Weman | Link to this comment | 11- 7-08 12:58 AM
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