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The Kobaïan Benny Lava... sweet Jesus.

Ben, there's two of you?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 12:21 AM
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I could never have matched this.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 12:34 AM
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I think you should do a line-by-line annotation, with footnotes.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 12:38 AM
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I wanted ben to know that I stopped his supplied video and am instead watching Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind via Netflix, after their very helpful customer-service rep helped me set up instant streaming for an Intel-based Mac. W00t!


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 12:40 AM
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Turns out I got the line in the title wrong: it should be "I have seen the angel of light".


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 12:42 AM
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The Head Heritage author seems to be unaware that Wurdah Itah (aka Tristan et Iseult), though released as a Christian Vander solo album, is basically a Magma album.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 12:47 AM
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Now I have to listen to MDK.

God, Magma is so hilarious.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 12:48 AM
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Watch your mouth, Sifu. The only thing that can be predicated of Magma is fucking awesomeness.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 12:49 AM
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I bet they think they're a gas on Kobaïa.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 12:53 AM
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Stella Vander is a hottie.

The Magma LJ doesn't seem to have been updated in some time.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 12:57 AM
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Judging from the for some reason accessible to the public crontabs on timewasting.net, the magma LJ was written by Rhodri Marsden now of Scritti Politti.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 1:01 AM
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... a discovery that could more easily have been made by going directly to timewasting.net itself.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 1:02 AM
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Now I'm gonna have to pull out my Van der Graaf Generator and Pierre Moerlen's Gong albums...

Never quite liked the Zeuhl.

Yes...I am a wanker.


Posted by: Gozer | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 1:20 AM
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This was pretty awesome. You scooped The Valve peeps.

Ugh, W-lfs-n, next time we eat at Zachary's remind me that three slices of stuffed pizza is overdoing it, and that baking cookies on top of that might be excess even by American standards.

I will be lady-like and not comment on the butt smack you gave me. Except that I already did on my Twitter feed.


Posted by: belle lettre | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 2:05 AM
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Oh and next time we should watch this movie, one of my all time faves. Even more than His Girl Friday.


Posted by: belle lettre | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 2:10 AM
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Zachary's is the most disappointing pizza I've ever had. Turned out I don't like stuffed pizza, which sounded so great in theory.

You Can't Take it With You is probably the best of the Capra comedies I've seen.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 3:14 AM
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i think voting die should be like a more positive vote, no? as if it's that funny, not just funny
i was very disappointed recently when someone dubbed our pop song with some strange lyrics, mostly profanities
streaming netflix, i watched 5 movies yesterday, the last one couldn't watch anymore, so many movies which are not good, i kept skipping after a few minutes can't watch f.e the new films, 2007-8, independent, the actors are bad, or too that, psychologically slow, if the film is good i don't know its slowiness, old films especially if it's from 80ies, better to watch the 60-70ies and 90, early 2000, can't watch thrillers, action movies, gay and lesbian, coz boring actors, so pretty narrow watching scope, i think i almost finished the foreign category available in the streaming though there also a lot of skippables


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 5:15 AM
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a fishtank
i liked the lyrics, it's nice abstract, fantasylike, nothing desperate, or sexual


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 5:30 AM
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when i saw magma play in london in the late 80s, the show featured a man dressed as a vampire standing on a tall podium and screaming -- this is actually the only element i CAN remember

i should look up my review and see what else transpired


Posted by: tierce de lollardie | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 7:09 AM
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Magma is real? I always assumed progressive rock fans made them up to give off the impression that they liked obscure bands too.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 7:17 AM
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20:True Progressive Rock fans are by definition seekers after the obscure, unknown, and overlooked. The person who only listens to Rush, or Rush plus Yes, or Rush plus Yes plus IQ, is just a poser.

As an occasionally hardcore TPFR, I consider Magma fairly mainstream. They released more than two albims, and more recently than thirty years ago. Not at all obscure.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 7:55 AM
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For some reason I feel like the appropriate response to that video is Nixon In China


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 11:00 AM
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Zachary's is the most disappointing pizza I've ever had

BURN THE HERETIC!


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 11:14 AM
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in the uk, german prog rock is universally and cheekily and affectionately referred to as "krautrock" (faust even made a joke about this)

magma, despite being extremely french, are NOT known as frog rock: i can't explain this disparity


Posted by: tierce de lollardie | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 11:16 AM
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It's because Magma is zeuhl, tierce.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 11:17 AM
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insert curt joke in kobaïan here

in "there are still only seven people on the internet" news, i just checked my LJ overlap with rhodri marsden and it's in double figures


Posted by: tierce de lollardie | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 11:25 AM
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24: it's because prog and frog are incompatible.


Posted by: Cryptec Nid | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 11:28 AM
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yikes, it's like that episode when the TARDIS doors opened onto raw space


Posted by: tierce de lollardie | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 11:32 AM
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Frog prog. Though UZ is Belgian.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 11:32 AM
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reynolds's grasp of the essence of prog is extremely ropey -- i want to know who mcmanus thinks is NOT fairly mainstream


Posted by: tierce de lollardie | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 11:36 AM
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Reynolds got a lot of email after that post including one from yours truly which he published. Tho' I agree with your assessment.

Not fairly mainstream: 5uu's. The Hampton Grease Band (unless being on the NWW list makes you "mainstream"). Etron Fou Leloublan. Demetrio Stratos' solo albums. The Stormy Six—in fact I would guess most of the RIO bands minus Henry Cow and Aksak Maboul. Malicorne & others in the Quebec scene. Cartoon. That one DC band, not the Muffins (Grits!). ZNR?

Kultivator. Bratko Bibic & the Madleys. The French zeuhl band that recorded an album based on Dune, can't remember the name. Oh, it turns out it was Dün. Hah. Eskaton. Mexican heavyweights Nazca and Decibel.

Magma gets regular reference in the Aquarius new-in-stock mailings: totally mainstream.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 11:50 AM
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The Hampton Grease Band

Halifax!

I don't know if I'd describe them as prog, though.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 12:06 PM
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i still want mcmanus's input

does the w-lfs-n line on mainstream simply mean "actually lots of people buy their records", or is it more a material reflection of (musical) content and/or approach and/or lineage*?(what makes "mainstream" prog interesting is that it's not "simple" pop) (not that chartpop is remotely "simple" these days either)

*viz the RIO lineage: a combo of (a) weren't born anglophones, (b) "palled around" with henry cow on the lefty euro festival circuit, and (c) liked to invoke the spiritual authority of brecht-weill (or eisler) w/o always having the measure of brechtian technique as an anti-literalist modality of politics


Posted by: tierce de lollardie | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 12:15 PM
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Not mainstream for me = albums been out of print for thirty years and were never released in America anyway. There are various strands of prog, or schools or subgenres and I don't consider Henry Cow avantagarde or outre for the kind of prog fan who likes Henry Cow. There may be mainstream prog fans, Marillon fans who look ne further, but I think it is usually in the nature of connoiseurs to look further & deeper.

I am into early 70s Continental for the most part, German & Italian. Recent pickups:Amos Key, Arkham, Dull Knife, Eulenspygel, La Dusseldorf, Lava, Libido, Liliental, Octopus, Lied des Teufels

Malicorne & others in the Quebec scene

AFAIK, Malicorne was French. And they are much more folk than prog I think. Picked up the Alan Stivell classic a while back.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 1:24 PM
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Malicorne was definitely Canadian.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 4:49 PM
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Is the Arkham album any good?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 4:54 PM
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Malicorne was definitely Canadian.
sez who?


Posted by: Nakku | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 5:01 PM
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Not wikipedia!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 5:14 PM
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I wonder how I got that idea, then.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 5:17 PM
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Wiki cannot be wrong any more than Heebie could.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 5:29 PM
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I must have been confusing Malicorne and Harmonium.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 5:31 PM
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The continuing rivalry to outgeek amongst prog rock fans continues to bemuse me. It's like bragging about how accurate your cosplay uniform is.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 5:38 PM
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It's the same sort of thing that happens among aficionados of not just any musical style but just about anything at all, really.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 5:39 PM
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Except squared.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 5:44 PM
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I think I'm going to develop a taste for really obscure ragtime piano rolls. Ernest Hogan? Pfft. Far too mainstream.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 5:51 PM
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Smoked before you started out, Sifu.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 5:57 PM
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Barrelhouse Boogie Woogie is hardly ragtime, Ben. I really only care about the characteristic march rolls by black artists most directly inspirational for the early novelty piano composers.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 6:00 PM
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47: Poser. I only listen to the work of player pianos that have gone sentient (except for the Pianolas. Fucking sellouts.)


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 6:04 PM
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47: Not my area, you know. I only listen to player pianos endorsed by Gaddis.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 6:08 PM
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Surely Gaddis would have approved.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 6:12 PM
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Seriously though I really want to find some Nancarrow now. I think I'd heard of him before, but boy, that sounds neat.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 6:13 PM
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I said player pianos, not player piano rolls.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 6:14 PM
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I only listen to the work of player pianos that have gone sentient

Close enough.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 6:14 PM
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If I hadn't stopped to listen to that, I wouldn't have been pwned. Wevs.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 6:15 PM
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I decided to cultivate an interest in one of those European football teams, but I'm having trouble decising if I should follow Flamurtari Vlorë or Royal Excelsior Mouscron.


Posted by: Cryptec Nid | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 6:18 PM
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Indecidive, are you?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 6:20 PM
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The link in 53 is great.

Apparently he did a little with prepared player pianos. I bet that's boss.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 6:24 PM
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Shorter tonight's Andy Rooney: since a majority-white America elected a black president, we really are the best country in the world. But we probably shouldn't say so out loud.

GAH!

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Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 6:33 PM
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You can put up posts, you know, Stanley.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 6:34 PM
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That's okay, Stanley. Andy Rooney's been dead for years.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 6:35 PM
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59: I'm not going to grace Mr. Rooney's nonsense with a post, ben.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 6:41 PM
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Apparently Nancarrow's study for prepared piano is available.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 6:42 PM
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And now it is mine! Oh, internet.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 6:44 PM
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55: Blackburn Rovers ftw. I started supporting them after the '02 cup on account of friedel, and they since have proved entertaining. They're a small team in the grand scheme of things, but have an outstanding record against the big four. Their hallmark is a studied combination of precise technique and kicking the shit out of the opposition. We just lost the best manager in britain, who was replaced by the first black manager in England. But if you're just in it for the silly names, consider this.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 6:55 PM
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Their hallmark is a studied combination of precise technique and kicking the shit out of the opposition

That doesn't seem very sporting.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 6:57 PM
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Well, it isn't cricket. But there are 19 Premier League teams that agree with you.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 7:00 PM
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Considering that the A.R.T. in the credits is a former contributor to rec.music.progressive, maybe it was made just for you!

(Hi!)


Posted by: Alex R Temple | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 7:55 PM
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Bleg: I have a recipe for cupcake batter that I wish to re-tool into a batter for brownies. What do I need to add? (First principles of baking?)


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 7:59 PM
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Um, weed butter? You take a quarter of mexi and a stick or two of butter and saute for about 45 minutes. Thus endeth my knowledge of baking.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 8:03 PM
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No, the first principles of baking will turn it into gold batter.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 8:03 PM
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If you follow ben's recipe, you'll probably want to use an athanor.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 8:07 PM
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foolmort, I have already decided with another American to start following Everton, after we had a debate about it during Euro 2008. And for the same reason! As Brad Früdel was then, Tim Howard is now. And they seem to be undergoing a rebuilding season, which builds character.


Posted by: Cryptec Nid | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 8:08 PM
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I have a recipe for cupcake batter that I wish to re-tool into a batter for brownies. What do I need to add?

You will have to at least subtract the leavening. I would guess anything else will be playing with ratios of ingredients.


Posted by: CJB | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 8:10 PM
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68: I'm not much of a baker, but I believe that cupcakes and brownies operate on entirely different principles.

If this is the OT thread, meanwhile, hilzoy is sounding wincingly young and naive:

how much should we trust Barack Obama? .... if you're willing to believe that Obama is serious about withdrawal, you should give him the space he needs to do it right; if not, you should insist that he nail everything down.

Am I the only one who hears the double entendre here?


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 8:10 PM
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Further to 74.last: Unintentional double entendre, that is.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 8:11 PM
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74: it's ok, parsimon. Obama has a natural facility for the rhythm method.


/bans self


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 8:12 PM
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76: Well, jesus, at least I'm not the only one -- I began to grit my teeth through that post. I mean:

Trust is, in this case, the crucial question: if he is, in fact, serious about withdrawing ... then giving him flexibility is not just OK, but preferable; but if his asking for it is a sign that he is less than fully committed ...

Right, then. ARE WE STARTING A RELATIONSHIP HERE OR ARE WE RUNNING A COUNTRY?


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 8:24 PM
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So, wait, parsimon, I mean, I hate to draw the veil and everything, but are you saying that for you the question, shall coitus be interrupted, is the same as the question, are we starting a relationship?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 8:29 PM
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No; she's just overthinking. Although if coitus interruptus is in play, I'd assume that the intimate relationship is thought to be ongoing, since I'd assume it's proceeding without protection (else, why ever?)


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 8:40 PM
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Dammit, Obama makes all these promises and women just fall for it. Why can't a nice guy like me get elected president?


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And to painfully extend the analogy, with respect to Obama's administration, why would any of us proceed without protection?


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 8:51 PM
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sure it's not my business at all, but hopefully he won't become some kind of marionette with all the many advisers
bodyguards


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 8:52 PM
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82: Being Barack Obama


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 8:58 PM
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81: He promised he would pull out. I didn't want to be a bitch about it. He just seemed so in control of things. He asked me to trust him. He made me believe in hope again.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 9:06 PM
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I didn't ask him if he'd been tested because everyone said he didn't have any experience.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 9:13 PM
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84: Cringe.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 9:13 PM
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Anyhow at 3AM the phone rings...


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11- 9-08 9:18 PM
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Ben,

It was featured in a lecture on screaming I once attended, in fact.

The more I learn of you the more impressed I am. I must say, your education seems to fill in many of the gaps I have in mine. These are gaps I never knew I had, BTW.

May I ask where this lecture was given?


Posted by: Tripp | Link to this comment | 11-10-08 9:11 AM
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It was in a gallery in Hyde Park.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11-10-08 9:14 AM
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The Colonna Institute!


Posted by: Cryptec Nid | Link to this comment | 11-10-08 9:14 AM
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Part two, with new samples, of the lecture noted here (scroll to Marc Fischer).


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11-10-08 9:19 AM
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I miss this thread.

So, prog?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-10-08 7:48 PM
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apotheosis


Posted by: tierce de lollardie | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 2:47 PM
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So, prog?

The Bad Plus' record called "PROG" has a really disappointing track selection. If I were part of a band that had a blog featuring not infrequent thoughtful essays I wouldn't put out a record that basically announced "hi, we're either ignorant or disdainful".


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 2:50 PM
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Especially because it would have been cool, potentially, to hear them play "Free Hand" or "Squarer for Maude" or some of Dave Stewart's zanier keyboard pieces or "Fracture" or or or.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 2:52 PM
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currently listening to:
boonoonoonoos - boney m


Posted by: tierce de lollardie | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 2:55 PM
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Currently listening to:
A table full of obnoxious French people sitting immediately behind me. One of them appears to be practicing his Foley artist routine.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 2:58 PM
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Yes, that's right: I'm listening to the table, not the people. It just happens to be the case that the people are at the table.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 2:58 PM
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The Bad Plus is my cob-logger Ryan's favorite band.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 3:02 PM
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Buncha jazzbo ironists.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 3:04 PM
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currently listening to:
homeworld (the ladder) - yes

the boney m song was about "splitting the tiny atom" ; i will tell you what jon anderson is singing about later


Posted by: tierce de lollardie | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 3:12 PM
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I didn't realize you had another blog, Stanley. Is the blog's name going for a "buddy movie" flavor?


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102 is me. Technology fails me again.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 3:14 PM
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a "buddy movie" flavor

I guess so? Not sure exactly what you mean. It's a dumb self-deprecating joke and a play on our blogging names.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 3:16 PM
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I don't get the joke, then. It sounds like the title of a buddy movie. There's a famous 60s British buddy movie that has a name like that, but I can't quite think of it. (The only thing that comes to mind are video games, like Ratchet and Clank or Jak and Dexter.)


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 3:23 PM
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See, "wry and" sounds like "ryan".


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 3:33 PM
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Hey ben, you got a thread up to 100.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 3:35 PM
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That's not really remarkable anymore, robert.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 3:38 PM
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haha whoever ripped this copy of the fall's "the war against intelligence" filed it under progressive, my itunes is telling me (there's a fiddle = yes it's prog)


Posted by: tierce de lollardie | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 3:48 PM
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106: I got that part. I thought there was more to it. I'm also now convinced that the name of the movie I'm thinking of will turn out to be Wry and Stanley, to my eternal embarrassment.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 3:54 PM
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I thought there was more to it.

Only the suggestion that whatever I'm doing over there, it's not wry, try as I might, which explanation I'm cross-posting to Standpipe's other blog in the crappy-joke-explanation section.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 7:51 PM
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Mmm, rye.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 8:14 PM
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112: If Ryan wants to start supplying me with free rye instead of free wine, we'll certainly change the name. Mmm, rye, indeed.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 8:22 PM
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Screaming and shouting being different things, I wonder if Marc Fischer is into Mieskuoro Huutajat.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 8:46 PM
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