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Lions are crappy eaters. They usually leave enough mess behind to support a population of Hyaenas and Jackals and vultures. They're very efficient killers though - I'd much rather be thrown to lions than hogs. Lions would break my neck; hogs would break me up slowly.


Posted by: OneFatEnglishman | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 8:18 AM
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Presumably one isn't thrown to the hogs while alive.. They aren't exactly known as fearsome hunters.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 8:21 AM
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If one is thrown to the hogs post mortem, then what that guy in that Guy Ritchie movie said about hogs and dead bodies comes to mind.


Posted by: disaggregated | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 8:24 AM
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I think Goldberg has certain fascistic tendencies. The charge seems perfectly fair to me.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 8:24 AM
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So it seems clear. A team of lions for the kill and hogs for the consumption.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 8:24 AM
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2. Not recently. They might make a comeback.


Posted by: OneFatEnglishman | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 8:26 AM
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5: The biblical Daniel. To wit, a team of lions for the kill (and some contraption barring divine intervention) and hogs for the consumption.


Posted by: disaggregated | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 8:27 AM
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Burt Lahr convinced me: hogs are scarier than lions.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 8:28 AM
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Or was it scarier than William Jennings Bryan?


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 8:28 AM
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8: Not to mention that lion played by Ben Vereen on "Zoobilee Zoo".


Posted by: Cryptec Nid | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 8:34 AM
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You would be thrown to hogs while alive, Tweety. Specially-trained hogs with long tusks.

While lions are efficient killers, I remember reading that they frequently steal hyena's kills. Male lions are as lazy as house cats.

One beast no one messes with is the hippopotamus. They're vegetarians, but can bite a crocodile in half.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 8:34 AM
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I am finding the idea of a special squad of highly trained mutant hogs... a little unconvincing.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 8:37 AM
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The babyrusa would make the hog pit look more intimidating, although they are said to be gentle.


Posted by: Cryptec Nid | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 8:38 AM
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One beast no one messes with is the hippopotamus. They're vegetarians, but can bite a crocodile in half.

Except when they're just cute.


Posted by: OneFatEnglishman | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 8:39 AM
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Is this thing about being fed to hogs a reference to Hannibal?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 8:41 AM
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4 - Yeah, I agree. He certainly has the admiration of violence and the leader worship thing going.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 8:43 AM
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hog farm
the narrative is very funny, it's like as if a little boy tells about his life conditions, if to listen without watching, a pretty illustrative cartoon i think, poor uncle on the table


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 8:45 AM
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What Limbaugh doesn't pretend to do is to be even-handed.

He's pretending to be fair. He just isn't.

Does Sausagely consider these to be revelations of some sort? On reading the linked post, I get that he's trying to correct someone else's statement that Limbaugh doesn't pretend to be fair, but still: are there people who don't know this? Really?


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 9:00 AM
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Don't they feed people to the hogs in that one movie where Brad Pitt has an incomprehensible accent?


Posted by: Adam Kotsko | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 9:02 AM
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15: Hogs are a time-honored way of disposing of corpses.


Sifu: consider the wild boar. Not a mighty hunter, no, but long thought of as the worst the forest had to offer --- in places without tigers.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 9:03 AM
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18 - His entire audience, less the members doing a Stanley style anthropological investigation, believes he's a straight talker. He repeatedly says so himself, which is in my experience an excellent sign that the speaker is anything but honest. Honest people don't need to remind you over and over of their integrity.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 9:03 AM
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but still: are there people who don't know this? Really?

Other than a big chunk of his 10s of millions of listeners you mean?


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 9:04 AM
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I had to climb a tree once to get away from a bunch of hippos on the banks of the Zambezi River. Honest. While male hippos in the water are dangerous, the really dangerous thing about hippos is when in the evening or early morning you get in between a herd that has come up on the banks to sleep and the river/lake that they spend most of the day in. They tend to run (with surprising speed) for the water, and well, you can guess what happens to anything in between them and the water. Unless there's a tree to climb and you're a primate who can climb it.

So:

1. Die fast if you are thrown to lions.
2. Die slow if you are thrown to hogs.
3. Die by trampling if you are thrown to hippos. Unless there's a tree.


Posted by: Timothy Burke | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 9:07 AM
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Limbaugh is more than just dishonest, he's a vicious evil prick. If this isn't transparently obvious to his listeners I suspect it is because they too are ...


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 9:07 AM
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Honest people don't need to remind you over and over of their integrity.

The other line these jokers repeatedly take is that they are `independent'.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 9:07 AM
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I suspect it is because they too are ...

Some of them are. Some of them are deeply confused, and have grown up on a diet of purest bullshit.

||aside, ttaM, I sent you an email --- did it make it through filters?|>


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 9:09 AM
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Hogs ate people alive in the latest Rambo movie, too.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 9:09 AM
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re: 26

Yes, I got it. I just replied, thanks. I've been in and out of hospital this week [had some surgery last week] so have been a bit flaky with email.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 9:10 AM
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28: no rush, just knew sometimes 1st email from a new address ends up in a junk file so I gave you a heads up. I won't have any time to do anything with that for a bit anyway.

Sorry to hear about the surgery. No fun. On the mend now?


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 9:16 AM
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the hogs in hannibal are specially bred AND trained to eat the faces of screaming terrified people -- though the awesomest scene (it is not a very good book as books go but it has several very tremendous setpieces) is when lecter steps off the cross he's being crucified on to carry a wounded clarice through a sea of rampaging hogs, and they just part and let him mince through (there's some misdirectional fiff-faff that they are uninterested because they don't smell fear, because it's not an emotion lecter knows -- but the real point, which the sicilian peasant who survives understands -- is that lecter is the Risen Demon Jesus and all beasts therefore worship him)

(at this level, as a bonkers fantasia of gothic and countergothic symbolisms, hannibal is pretty good)


Posted by: tierce de lollardie | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 9:17 AM
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but still: are there people who don't know this? Really?

How about the networks that view Limbaugh as a respectable media figure - remember how he co-anchored NBC's election coverage a few years back? And CBS was considering him for some sort of panel to "investigate" Dan Rather's fooferal in 2004.

Limbaugh has a beautiful voice and a smooth, moderate tone that convinces a lot of media types that he's something other than a dishonest hack - they view him as nothing worse than any editorial page pundit. I don't know if it's profoundly cynical - they assume that everyone with an opinion routinely lies to support it - or if it's profoundly ignorant - they know/care so little about the facts that they don't realize that Rush distorts them. Presumably a mix of both.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 9:18 AM
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Out of sheer perversity I chose to listen to Limbaugh while driving around on Election Day. It was all about the "black panthers" poll intimidators story from Philadelphia. A total hateful demagogue. He is not really even "conservative", just an engine for transforming grievance and hate into cash. An age-old bunko act.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 9:23 AM
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Everyone look at the cartoon in 17. It's hilarious without the text. The man knows hogs.

Tusked boar. I couldn't find any photos of a live tusked boar, presumably because the cameramen were climbing trees.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 9:23 AM
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Good grief, 30 makes me want to read the book.

I'm fascinated by, well, bonkers fantasias of gothic and countergothic symbolisms, but I'm too much of a snob to have read many of those books (I devoured Angels and Demons in a bit over one day in a cabin in the snowy woods). My FIL travels a lot, and so he reads a lot of airport fiction (indeed, he was the source of A&D); what he finishes, he leaves behind. He left a book by some well-reputed ocean-based story novelist (NUMA? is the imaginary org in the stories) that was predicated on the Odyssey containing a secret story about an island of Celtic women in the Caribbean, or some such nonsense. I hadn't the patience to wade through the actual story, but I skimmed to find out the actual premise and resolution. Shit, when I was a kid I remember skimming Chariots of the Gods in the library - too embarrassed to check it out, but I wanted to know the premise.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 9:26 AM
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Link on 33 will have to be cut and paste to see it...


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 9:28 AM
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doing a Stanley style anthropological investigation

For a moment I was thinking Stanley of the "Henry Morton" variety, and was very confused. "Mr. Limbaugh, I presume?" From now on I will refer to unfogged Stanley as Bula Matari, in memory of the people whose spirits he broke while searching for Limbaugh.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 9:28 AM
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One of the people I canvassed (someone I went to HS with who became a friend of my mother) firmly believed a last-minute Limbaugh story that the Democrats were going to steal her 401k and merge it with the Social Security fund. I was boggled because I'd never heard that one before.

No real harm, since she's a hardened Republican. But the guy lies all the time, and millions of people believe him.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 9:30 AM
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34: The thing Custler (I'm pretty sure that's who you're talking about) is known for is taking mary-sue-ism to previously uncharted heights...so I'm not sure `well reputed' fits.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 9:30 AM
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The NUMA books are by Clive Cussler. I read a lot of that sort of thing when I was in middle school. There was one that had something to do with Abraham Lincoln's corpse -- the real one, see, because he didn't really die after being shot -- being found on a boat in the middle of the Sahara. I can't recall how that was supposed to make sense.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 9:31 AM
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Norah Vincent is a moron. Jesus.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 9:32 AM
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Our local paper's editor has been sharing some of the responses he has gotten to Obama's election. Also, he said that the night of the election, after McCain conceded, the editor was walking home and saw a guy pounding on his car. He asked the guy if everything was OK (our town is relatively safe and this was not a stupid thing to do) and the guy said he had to pound his car to stop from killing himself - because of Obama's election.

My point of mentioning this is to point out that the looneytune rabble on the other side has been riled up and they are close to dangerous. It seems nothing Obama or McCain or Bush say make much difference.

I think Limbaugh and Hannity and their ilk would have to settle things down. I'm skeptical that will happen, unless the people who fund them tell them to.

Riling people up is lucrative but it can get out of hand too, and I think things are close to that point now.


Posted by: Tripp | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 9:32 AM
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32: My aforementioned FIL and his wife were driving from Philly to Pgh a couple weeks before the election. My FIL being a good German Social Democrat, he likes to amuse himself by listening to rightwing radio - he's immune to its infuriating character. His poor wife, OTOH, kept asking me and AB if we were worried that they would find out his birth certificate was faked.

These guys are extremely powerful on weak minds, and they create an absolutely contradiction-free zone - the stations they're on always have right-leaning news services, so even the network news breaks reinforce the nonsense. Since their first move is to reinforce listeners' grievances, the rest of the bullshit is readily swallowed - "Rush gets me, so I trust what he says."

My good friend basically ascribes the whole phenomenon to bitter commuters, all these white guys with Easy Rider and/or Mad Max fantasies stuck in traffic and nothing to do but listen (by themselves) to how it's all somebody else's fault.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 9:34 AM
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Those of you debating hogs vs. lions are missing a key feature of the hog farm program: it renders members of the Crazy Right into productive citizens.

Nobody wants to eat lion meat, but bacon is tasty.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 9:34 AM
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he had to pound his car to stop from killing himself - because of Obama's election.
i thought recently that it seems ToS is depressed


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 9:34 AM
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Maybe now that they're riled up, we can somehow set it up so that they kill and devour Rush Limbaugh.


Posted by: Adam Kotsko | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 9:37 AM
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38: yeah, that's my recollection; the main character finds sunken ships (just like the author, as the dustjacket informs you!) and drives classic cars (just like the author!) and is filthy rich (maybe like the author?) and has daily hot sex with nubile young things (like the author wishes he could). The books were fun when I was 12, anyway.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 9:38 AM
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Sarah Palin is the Whore of Satan, you know. I've seen the photos.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 9:39 AM
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a last-minute Limbaugh story that the Democrats were going to steal her 401k and merge it with the Social Security fund.

Someone was just going on about this on an Yggles thread (about the possible automaker bailout, no less). Fucking trolls.

I'm not sure `well reputed' fits.

Oh, I just meant in the same sense as Dan Brown - a big deal in the genre of airport potboilers.

A quick look at Wiki reveals that "taking mary-sue-ism to previously uncharted heights" is exactly right - very funny.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 9:40 AM
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there's some misdirectional fiff-faff that they are uninterested because they don't smell fear, because it's not an emotion lecter knows

Mmm, that didn't quite make sense. Hogs are omnivores, and yet they only attack and eat things that are visibly (or rather smellably) afraid?

"I will not eat that potato. It is insufficiently terrified."


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 9:42 AM
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Oh, I was at Wiki trying to confirm what I suspected/half-recalled: he wrote Raise the Titanic, which I read in a borrowed condo in Myrtle Beach in '82 or '83. I had already been a big Titanic buff (if you will), and so that was a natural fit.

I was so impressed by the descriptions of how big a disaster Titanic was, and how it was mostly men who went down, that I assumed that there had been a noticeable shortage of men at the time.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 9:43 AM
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re: 29

Yeah, am OK. Lots of lovely codeine.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 9:44 AM
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JRoth, thomas harris is VERY smart (well-read, as in high-culture literate, and self-aware about subtextual and unconscious content) and a very shrewd-sentencemaker* -- and (because of or despite all that) "silence of the lambs" really is nearly flawless as a gothic thriller -- but i think the fact of its vast success broke him a bit: he doesn't trust the reasons for its success

so (my theory) hannibal is full of brilliant stuff, except harris can't work out how to bring it together to let himself off the intellectual hook of being a big pulp sell-out

*one the indicators, to me, is that he knows when to be very quotably enigmatic -- most pulp writing, good or bad, is functional plotwise or emotianal-effectswise; harris has several other registers, including arty and bafflingly gnomic


Posted by: tierce de lollardie | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 9:45 AM
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49: plus wouldn't Clarice whom he's carrying be afraid? Or is she out cold or dead or something at this point?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 9:48 AM
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"I will not eat that potato. It is insufficiently terrified."

Please, my daughter has enough excuses for refusing to eat as it is.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 9:48 AM
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I assumed your daughter lived on the scent of your cooking.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 9:50 AM
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clarice has been shot and will be unconscious for days afterwards

the hogs at issue are superhogs bred and trained and conditioned to know that abject man-fear precedes a feast -- there's a bit of stuff about the feral aggression of ancestral wild pigs (ie they attack for the fun of it rather than defensively) but for all i know it's totally made up

it is not a scientifically realistic scene (or book!)


Posted by: tierce de lollardie | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 9:55 AM
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Answering that would involve spoilers.

Harris is pretty fun, although I found Hannibal a bit disappointing. He's too in love with the character by that point.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 9:55 AM
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Rush Limbaugh is the most talented radio performer I've ever heard.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 9:57 AM
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when I was a kid I remember skimming Chariots of the Gods in the library

I read the whole thing, maybe when I was 10 or so, and was fascinated. There was a picture of a carving, found in the Andes I think, that was clearly a primitive rendering of a guy sitting in a spaceship - you just couldn't interpret it any other way.

There was a TV special debunking the Chariots thing, and the picture of the carving turned out to be a small fragment that, in context, was actually a man surrounded by all kinds of stylized curlicues and whatnot. It was a valuable lesson for a child, one that I'm guessing the Limbaugh followers never got.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 9:57 AM
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58 was me, and I meant to add: a pity that he's working for Evil.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 9:57 AM
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52: The one thing I remember about Hannibal (well, aside from hogs and brain-eating) is an elaborate description of Hannibal Lecter's "memory palace", which was not something I would have expected in (what I thought was) standard potboiler fare.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 10:02 AM
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I assumed your daughter lived on the scent of your cooking.

Certainly not on the substance of it.

I only got her to eat homemade gyoza Sunday by making her a couple with plain pork filling. Sigh.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 10:03 AM
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55 is very funny.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 10:04 AM
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the main formal problem with hannibal is that he never really squares his enjoyment writing the character with his disdain for the mass public's love for it: there's a ton of business at the beginning where he's explicitly mocking readers who enjoy such stuff along the lines of "you tell yourself YOU like this for higher reasons of discernment but actually it's because you're as bad as the worst of the others, you prurient fraud"

then he can't increasingly untangle himself out of the moral conundrum he sets up, and kinda just says "oh fvck it svck on this you dismal ethical manikins"

oops yes spoilers -- oh well, there is plenty OTHER stuff


Posted by: tierce de lollardie | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 10:05 AM
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No real harm, since she's a hardened Republican. But the guy lies all the time, and millions of people believe him.

Bless all y'all's hearts, but that's my point: I think the two groups, "hardened Republican" and "millions of people [who] believe him," have almost total overlap. Those who listen to and believe him and call themselves "independents" are lying to themselves or are idiots. I just don't see a lot of news in that. Everyone I have known personally who watched (when he had a TV show) or listens/listened to him did so or does so contemporaneously with being a hard-core right-wing Republican. I don't think they were transformed into that by Limbaugh, I think they sought confirmation of that from Limbaugh. I don't think anyone could come at him from a position of neutrality and be swayed by a belief that he's fairly representing any sort of objective reality. If there are such people, they are stupid. (Possibly this includes the person Yggles sought to correct; I haven't the faintest idea.)

I am, on the other hand, a simple and naive soul.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 10:05 AM
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65: I think the danger is that he infects college age students. Aren't they the ones who have time to listen to the radio during the day, anyway? And then it could have lifelong implications.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 10:09 AM
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Props to 23. I always love a good hippo story. More people in Africa get killed by hippos than by any other non-parasitic animal.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 10:14 AM
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Limbaugh is a joke, performance art if you will. It is all schtick. But some people are influenced by it.


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 10:19 AM
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re potboilers: i was going to complain about this term a bit, as "hannibal" took him 11 years to write, but then i saw that harris's first pulp smash, Black Sunday (which i never read), is about terrorists hijacking a blimp to explode a bomb over the Super Bowl -- one of the words in this summary somehow undermines the power of all the others


Posted by: tierce de lollardie | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 10:21 AM
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I think the danger is that he infects college age students.

The student union at UNC had a TV in the snack bar in the early '90s that would play his show every morning. The one person I knew who went there to watch it did so in search of confirmation of the beliefs she'd inherited from one of her parents, as she'd started to question them and was feeling guilt over that process. Eventually, as life's counterarguments piled up, she was more swayed by experience than argument.

However! I could totally be wrong. I have naught but anecdata.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 10:23 AM
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More people in Africa get killed by hippos than by any other non-parasitic animal.

Because a hippo would be a really unsuccessful parasite.

"Dude, there's something clinging to your back."


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 10:24 AM
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65: It's on all day long at places like construction sites, where it seeps into workers' minds - you'll even hear stuff like, "Rush is full of shit... but he's right about X." It's quite insidious. You're absolutely right that Rush fans are all bought-and-paid-for Republicans, but more people hear him than his fans. And, as I said above, he sounds convincing.

What I don't get are guys like Hannity and, to an extent, Savage - Hannity has a voice made for print*, and Savage literally sounds like he's frothing. Savage, I suppose, it's part of his persona, but Hannity is basically supposed to be Rush, Jr.

* Seriously, steel yourself and just listen some time - his voice is the embodiment of the weasely loser in the next cube, but with incongruous self-assurance.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 10:26 AM
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Yeah, I went out and bought Frances Yates, "The Art of Memory" having had my interest in that sort of stuff rekindled by reading Hannibal.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 10:33 AM
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Hannity has a voice made for print

I think Limbaugh chose Hannity for that voice. Reinforces his greatness, like how brides pick ugly dresses for their friends so that they are the only cute one at the wedding.


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 10:34 AM
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"Dude, there's something clinging to your back penis."


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 10:35 AM
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like how brides pick ugly dresses for their friends so that they are the only cute one at the wedding.

I'm picking ugly bridesmaids so that the dresses will look fantastic.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 10:37 AM
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"Rush is full of shit... but he's right about X."

That is an early stage in the progression of the brain disease, actually. My first Very Serious Boyfriend, whom I was going to one day marry and have bizarrely-named children with, started listening to Rush when he moved to MN because co-worker of his listened to it and it was "hilarious the way these people think." As the sickness developed, though, he started saying thinks like, "Man, that guy is over the top, but he sort of has a point about _____." Eventually, though, the disease took over and he began believing that Rush Speaks Truth. Megadittos!

I really tried to listen for awhile because I was In Love. I just couldn't do it.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 10:40 AM
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Hippos mate for life and are extremely jealous, so don't screw around with the females.

Or the males, either.... laydeez.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 10:49 AM
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bizarrely-named children

What, like, Pumpernickel? Ball-Peen Hammer? Slaptyback?


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 10:49 AM
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Husker Du? Morning Baller? Baby No Hands?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 10:50 AM
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Later on Di's beau married one Sarah Heath and moved to Alaska.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 10:52 AM
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39:

There was one that had something to do with Abraham Lincoln's corpse -- the real one, see, because he didn't really die after being shot -- being found on a boat in the middle of the Sahara. I can't recall how that was supposed to make sense.

I'm ashamed to know this, 'cause I read this bad boy in high school, too. Ol' Abe was kidnapped by the CSA and taken on an advanced version of the Merrimack across the ocean. They escaped through the Virginia River because Abe stepped out onto the deck of the ironclad and all the Union guys stopped shelling because they recognized the tall dude with the hat.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 10:53 AM
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The CSA kidnapped Abe Lincoln and allowed him to retain his tophat?


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 10:56 AM
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It wasn't really a hat. Marfan, you know.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 10:57 AM
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I forgot to mention that my mother spent years trying to change the Russ Limbaugh listener's mind. And she absolutely loved my mom.

For a lot of rural conservatives governmental policy should be personal ethics and personal finance writ large, and they assume that everyone else is either like them or else sinful.

One thing I've noticed about one kind of social conservative is that they are very reluctant to borrow money even if there are good financial reasons to do it (e.g., to improve a farm).


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 11:00 AM
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In the movie version, starring Matthew McConaughey as Clive Cussler, the Abe Lincoln part was left out.


Posted by: Cryptec Nid | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 11:01 AM
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83: They were chivalrous back then. I don't think Delta Force is going to allow OBL to keep his turban.


Posted by: Klug | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 11:02 AM
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86: Did they keep the part about the elite UN special forces team? Or the world-ending red tide?


Posted by: Klug | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 11:03 AM
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23, 67, 78: Moving on to large mammals of North America, I had a dinner conversation last night about whether horses could defend themselves against grizzly bears... the Alaska influence continues to spread.


Posted by: bill | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 11:03 AM
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allowed him to retain his tophat?

After Abe died, they made tophu out of his tophat.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 11:04 AM
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Russian cartoons are so mournful.

Read has shown this one before, but maybe without subtitles.

In the one above the cute little piglet apparently sees his roasted uncle on a dinner table.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 11:08 AM
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Rush Limbaugh is the most talented radio performer I've ever heard.

He is (or was) very good. I haven't listened to Limbaugh since Poppy Bush was in office, but I recall being impressed by how well he used his voice, his segues, and his bumper music, etc. to sell his message. To what extent the drugs have eroded his talent, I couldn't say.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 11:14 AM
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Ol' Abe was kidnapped by the CSA and taken on an advanced version of the Merrimack across the ocean. They escaped through the Virginia River because Abe stepped out onto the deck of the ironclad and all the Union guys stopped shelling because they recognized the tall dude with the hat.

Well, okay... but then how did he end up dead on a boat in the middle of the Sahara? (I am ashamed of asking this)


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 11:18 AM
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93: I forget. I found the book on Google preview and they skip over that part -- as I recall, it had something to do with keeping the secrets of the CSA away from the Union. Jeff Davis' cross-dressing, no doubt.


Posted by: Klug | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 11:21 AM
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Quitting drugs may have eroded his talent.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 11:23 AM
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Presumably one isn't thrown to the hogs while alive

Now that I think about it, my mom was probably called in on this case to determine whether the cause of death was hog assault or, say, heart attack leading to falling in the hog pen. I'll have to ask her about that. Must have been an especially gruesome autopsy to perform.

bitter commuters, all these white guys with Easy Rider and/or Mad Max fantasies stuck in traffic and nothing to do but listen (by themselves) to how it's all somebody else's fault.

Which is pretty close to the premise of Falling Down.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 11:23 AM
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For a lot of rural conservatives governmental policy should be personal ethics and personal finance writ large, and they assume that everyone else is either like them or else sinful.

I think this is also true of a fairly large number of suburban religious conservatives.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 11:27 AM
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Like most autopsies are pretty, appetizing, and fun.

What happened to the hogs?


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 11:30 AM
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94: probably the top-secret CSA ballistic missile program...

http://kwc.org/mythbusters/2005/10/mythbusters_confederate_rocket.html


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Like most autopsies are pretty, appetizing, and fun.

Hence the "especially". Other really nasty ones involve corpses which have been in water for a while, because of the horrendous stench.

I'm not sure what happened to the hogs. Maybe they were fed to other hogs, so they could see the error of their ways.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 11:39 AM
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the cute little piglet apparently sees his roasted uncle on a dinner table.
but he perceives the uncle to be very good dressed up and kinda happy
and the last words of the cartoon are 'this is my life and where i live and i love it and if i were to be born again i'd choose again this life etc'
so it's not mournful but that, soviet-optimistic
propaganda of course, but a very kind and funny one so i don't mind


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 11:39 AM
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During my Igor days I delivered a decomposed liver for a toxicology test. It smelled like dirty diapers; the police hadn't bothered to seal it in a container. Apparently if a body is far along in decay the liver is your last chance for testing. The liver belonged to a chronically mentally ill woman whom I had seen as a patient.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 11:44 AM
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91, 101:

packets of pork scratchings in the uk -- called hog rinds in the us? -- generally feature a little cartoon of a cute little smiling pig dressed either as a butcher (= straw hat, stripy apron) or a chef

obviously plenty of food packaging features cartoons of its content, but not usually actually dressed as the main engine of its demise -- what is it about pigs?

(i think it's deep: it's saying "in the end, the hog is the naken lunch at BOTH ENDS of the fork')


Posted by: tierce de lollardie | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 11:45 AM
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Read, I think that most people could see the dark side of that propaganda. It's reminiscent of Orwell's Animal Farm.

The little pig did seem to having a LOT of fun, though.

The slightly folky graphic style of these cartoons reminds me of some Eastern Bloc children's book my son had. They were wonderful books.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 11:47 AM
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I only got her to eat homemade gyoza Sunday by making her a couple with plain pork filling

"Plain" as in no seasoning or as in no vegetables?


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 11:47 AM
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There's a happy chicken advertising one of the chain eateries, probably KFC.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 11:48 AM
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how is it dressed?


Posted by: tierce de lollardie | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 11:50 AM
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Like a stereotypical homosexual.


Posted by: Cryptec Nid | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 11:55 AM
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icelolly wrapper featuring a pig in a tux


Posted by: tierce de lollardie | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 11:55 AM
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77: holy fuck, that's TRAGIC.


Posted by: PGD | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 11:56 AM
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Rush Limbaugh is the most talented radio performer I've ever heard.

this is correct.


Posted by: PGD | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 11:59 AM
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"Plain" as in no seasoning or as in no vegetables?

Plucked right out of the mound destined for dan dan mian. Plain ground pork. Salt would have been OK.

She did like the dipping sauce.


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103: Pretty much 50% of all US BBQ joints feature the butcher pig.


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112: My nephew, who would live on nothing but crackers and waffles if he had his druthers, has discovered ponzu, which he puts on everything else.

At the opposite end of the spectrum, my 1-year-old niece (who spent her first 10 months in Ethiopia) won't eat anything plain. She demands garlic, cilantro, pesto, and such.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 12:11 PM
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-a, one


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 12:25 PM
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animal farm II: "four legs good, W! T! F!"


Posted by: tierce de lollardie | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 12:26 PM
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114: The parents must have a blast preparing meals...


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 12:38 PM
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117: They actually have separate parents. The 1-year-old is my sister's and the 4-year-old nephew (and his twin sister and their 10-year-old sister) are my brother's. Mealtime for the latter 3 is a continuing adventure, though.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 12:45 PM
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OT bleg:

There's a contest for a $10,000 scholarship for a blogger, and David Mauro of the Burnt Orange Report is a finalist. Per Kos, he's the only progressive blogger on the list. (Most of the others aren't political; many are academic. Our resident academics may know something about some of them.)

I don't know David personally, and some of his sentences have been written in the passive voice ("The days I spent driving from small town to small town and going door-to-door in the Texas summer heat with my Dad and his staff are remembered fondly by me."), but he's still young and his reporting is respectable.

So unless anyone knows of a better candidate, let's put the vast Unfogged voting machinery into gear for the lefty kid.


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116: That's not even a very good dog lobster costume.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 1:00 PM
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clearly the dog is wearing it ironically

end times watch: decadence of everything dept


Posted by: tierce de lollardie | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 1:07 PM
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I was hoping that would be an alligator wearing a dog costume.


Posted by: Cryptec Nid | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 1:08 PM
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I almost want to get a dog just so I can put the alligator costume on it.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 1:10 PM
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at what does this turn into abuse?


Posted by: tierce de lollardie | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 1:12 PM
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||
So that's how it's going to be.
Shorter Obama: ""I agree with you, I want to do it, so long as it doesn't involve conflict or expending political capital. Now make me do it."
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Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 1:18 PM
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124: When the pilgrim cat gives indian dog heartworm infected dog beds.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 1:20 PM
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|| The new presidential codenames!|>


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 1:31 PM
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127: I like that they include the West Wing ones without any indication that those are fictional.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 1:42 PM
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125 -- It's hard to distinguish between the trial balloons outsiders float to try and get the Obama team to accept them, and those floated in hopes that the Obama team will see them publicly shot down. (I think Summers falls in the latter category. Gates the former, is my guess) One shouldn't confuse these things for utterances of the Obama team.


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127.---Dude, those are some of the genderiest gender-norming gender-coded codes I've ever seen. Why can't the President be "Rainbow" and the first lady "Rawhide"? It's just... wow.


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"Renegade." That seems a little close to "maverick", doesn't it?

G.W. Bush is "Tumbler"? That's awesome.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 2:04 PM
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That Tompkins! He's such a renegade!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 2:07 PM
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128: Except that the West Wing writers missed the "everyone in the family starts with the same letter" memo.


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the genderiest gender-norming gender-coded codes

The Secret Service is not exactly on the forefront of feminism.

Reminds me of the chick in the Clinton White House who said that the Marines were too "macho", and wanted to reform their warrior culture. Huh?



Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 2:07 PM
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jfk = lancer
teddy = sunburn


Posted by: tierce de lollardie | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 2:10 PM
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Huh?

I don't remember that story, but I sure hope it didn't have anything to do with sexual assault and gender discrimination, 'cause that wouldn't actually be very funny.

Does anybody know how the SS makes up its code names? I could see either that the first names come out of the leadership and then the rest of the family gets diplomatically named afterwards, or that the candidate and his or her detail talk over the first name.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 2:13 PM
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Reminds me of the chick in the Clinton White House who said that the Marines were too "macho", and wanted to reform their warrior culture.

Admit it. You heard this story on Rush Limbaugh.


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Admit it. You heard this story on Rush Limbaugh.

You know, Rush is full of shit, but sometimes he just makes sense.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 2:41 PM
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Isn't it likely that the Obamas chose their own codenames? I remember Karenna Gore saying that she chose hers, the only stipulation being that it had to begin with S. At the age of 12 or whatever she was in 1992 she thought that being called "Smurfette" by the Secret Service would be terribly cute.


Posted by: Basil Valentine | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 3:30 PM
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kennedy: my codename will be COCKSMAN!
secret serviceperson jeeves: if i might make a suggestion, sir?


Posted by: tierce de lollardie | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 3:34 PM
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You heard this story on Rush Limbaugh

Probably. This chick:
http://www.usafa.edu/isme/JSCOPE01/Kennedy01.html


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 3:55 PM
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And to be fair to her, she was talking about Tailhook, not warfighting.


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 3:59 PM
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I feel a need to give you all codenames now.
Bitch: Sweetcheeks
Ben: Laconia
LB: Ernesto
ogged: Deadbeat

That's all I can think of at the moment.


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Jackmormon you made me do more research. I had conflated two chix. This was the one that had the problem with Marines:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A01EFDC1438F937A25752C1A961958



Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 4:15 PM
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I thought the codenames were 'random.'


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 11-11-08 4:23 PM
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145: they only give random codenames if they're not going to immediately announce what the codename means. These are not really codenames - they're technically brevity codes (ie intended to make radio communication easier and faster, rather than conceal its content). Similarly, Operation IRAQI FREEDOM was not a codename - it was a marketing brand. Operation TELIC was a codename - it really was decided at random.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 11-12-08 2:27 AM
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These are not really codenames - they're technically brevity codes (ie intended to make radio communication easier and faster

Yeah, see, this is something that has puzzled me since at least 1992. Why on earth would you pick names that are alliterative when you might plausibly have to refer to them quickly, under great pressure, with people's lives potentially at risk if there is static on the radio, someone mishears, or the wrong syllable falls out of your mouth?

I was absolutely certain it was a feel-good P.R. leak in 1992, dropping a little glamorous gossip to get everybody excited about the new president. But that link above is making me think these are the actual names that they use. This is not confidence-inspiring, Secret Service.


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 11-12-08 7:29 AM
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