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Shhhh! Jay's on.


Posted by: bill | Link to this comment | 12-10-08 7:29 PM
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I'd watch it if he were doing a show about his ginormous car and motorcycle collection. That's about the only context in which I find Leno palatable.


Posted by: Gaijin Biker | Link to this comment | 12-10-08 7:47 PM
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I don't understand his appeal at all. Likewise Larry King. It's mystifying.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 12-10-08 7:54 PM
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The network drama has been on the way out for years, and the strike didn't help a bit. The only network that's done well this season has been CBS, with its endless parade of comfort-food police procedurals. The cable channels don't need the huge audiences the big networks think they do, so they can make riskier, more interesting stuff -- and they don't yank something after three episodes.

Why should an audience get attached to, say, Pushing Daisies when they know they'll get to see at least 13 episodes of Mad Men, each episode will be run several times, and they don't have to chase it all over the schedule before it gets put "on hiatus"?


Posted by: Magpie | Link to this comment | 12-10-08 7:55 PM
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Part of the reason why Mad Men was able to get and stay on the air is that it was kept on a fantastically tight budget. Its (then) unknown actors were paid almost nothing, the producers/creators did a lot of the writing and hired unknowns, and the incredible art and set direction was also done on a shoestring.

The hourlong drama will survive, but its costs will start to approach reality TV, and shows may have shorter runs (since it will be harder to compensate casts and crews once a modicum of success comes in). Since this means that our TV will look more like British TV,with some intellectual drama and some truly unbelievably cheaply made and performed trash, I'm fine with these changes.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 12-10-08 8:07 PM
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Did anyone else read the recent Rolling Stone Letterman interview? I thought it was pretty interesting.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12-10-08 8:09 PM
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I love British short seasons and short runs. Umpteen seasons of numpty-odd episodes apiece is not actually so great for storytelling.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 12-10-08 8:10 PM
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7- I totally agree. Our American longer runs are basically a historical product of the networks' needs to package advertising sales, but the growth of reality and ever-expanding cable means that more short runs and short seasons are likely to be in our future, although, like now, most very successful series will go on until they can stop selling ads, which is usually at least 2 seasons after the creativity dies.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 12-10-08 8:18 PM
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In don't even own an overrated Italian guy with a malformed chin.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 12-10-08 8:19 PM
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So instead of Law & Orders 5 nights a week we get Leno? As long as Orbach's still dead, who cares?

That said, my thinking on this is pretty much Becks' - who the hell wants to watch Leno at 10 pm 5 times a week? Also, won't this turn into a giant stepping-on-Conan's-toes? Seems to me Leno will still get the "big" interviews.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 12-10-08 8:20 PM
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numpty-odd

Like.


Posted by: ari | Link to this comment | 12-10-08 8:21 PM
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Damages

What? That show was terrible!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-10-08 8:22 PM
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8: But the 100 show threshold for syndication is huge, too. If you can hold out 3+ seasons, you're basically set indefinitely.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 12-10-08 8:22 PM
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most very successful series will go on until they can stop selling ads, which is usually at least 2 seasons after the creativity dies.

Unless you get grandfathered in, as with The Simpsons.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-10-08 8:22 PM
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I miss sit coms. I only watch dramas now, but I used to really enjoy sitcoms. There seem to be more hour-long dramas than there were in the late 80's and 90's. Some of them on ABC have started at the 9 o'clock hour (Ugly Betty, I think, and definitely Private Practice).


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 12-10-08 8:22 PM
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12: still is terrible, I guess.

It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia is the only thing I watch anymore. Because poop never stops being funny.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-10-08 8:22 PM
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Or, worse, 9 PM in the Midwest.

Thanks for feeling our pain.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 12-10-08 8:23 PM
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Speaking of crappy police procedurals, we're watching Law & Order, and they just mentioned the Mineshaft!! (As in the New York bar that no longer exists.)


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 12-10-08 8:26 PM
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I hate Leno with a deep passion. But the reason NBC is putting him on is that he'll be an OK ad draw at 10, can charge rates higher than they were getting at 11:30, and costs them way less than putting on any other programming. May well be a smart business move in a deep recession.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 12-10-08 8:27 PM
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It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia is the only thing I watch anymore.

Christ, we really are the same person.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 12-10-08 8:30 PM
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Trendy aging people who like the advanced humour of that Jay Leno person but are somewhat troubled by the edginess of that David Letterman fellow will be happy to have the chance to go to sleep an hour later. So: hit.

And the young, annoying hipster types will get to stay up later than the old folks and watch Craig.

Meanwhile larvae such as Becks will go: huh?

max
['Your graying future.']


Posted by: max | Link to this comment | 12-10-08 8:31 PM
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13 -- Syndication deals are WAY less lucrative than they were even five years ago. Growth of DVDs, Tivo, internet, declines in advertising, etc.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 12-10-08 8:31 PM
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Do trendy people of any age like Leno?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-10-08 8:39 PM
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In other entertainment-industry related news, I'm staying late at work because my wife is having a business meeting at home with the writer of B/ill and T/ed's E/xcellent A/dventure. Get out of my house, dude!


Posted by: robert halford | Link to this comment | 12-10-08 8:41 PM
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My only ever paid acting gig was as a pale imitation of B/ill in an industrial video for a commercial art school. "If you don't go to the Institute of Design, you'll have totally bogus future, dudes! Step inside my time travel booth and take a look." I got $150/day for a three-day shoot, and then blew it all when the State of Pennsylvania sent me a $450 bill for the guardrail I broke my car on falling asleep driving.


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 12-10-08 8:45 PM
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Oh yeah, it was called "B/ill and T/ed's Educational Adventure."


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 12-10-08 8:46 PM
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25- Wait, this wasn't shown on local commercials in LA in the late 80s/early 90s, was it? Some commercial like that is totally stuck in my memory.n


Posted by: robert halford | Link to this comment | 12-10-08 8:49 PM
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10pm? Midnight? I have a DVR; much like I don't know anybody's telephone number, I don't know when anything's on, or what channel. Who cares?


Posted by: Nathan Williams | Link to this comment | 12-10-08 8:56 PM
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Do trendy people of any age like Leno?

No. And they never have.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 12-10-08 9:07 PM
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27, no, it was a school in Philly.


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 12-10-08 9:11 PM
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Damages is deliciously trashy. Not quite Gossip Girl trashy, but impressive.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 12-10-08 9:32 PM
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23,29: I guess despite his original time slot he's just never really been the answer for the Night People.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12-10-08 10:49 PM
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Speaking of Leno, via James Wolcott here is an interesting clip of Johnny Carson on The Tonight Show simultaneously being a total dick and yet kind of awesome (from about 2:00 in), and with a dollop of very peculiar racism in the mix as well.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12-10-08 11:05 PM
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Ok, I've escaped my wife's assignation with Bill and Ted's writer guy by heading to Cinemabar in Culver City. Angelenos, this is clearly the best bar in LA, and I will reject all arguments to the contrary.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 12-10-08 11:06 PM
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What kind of meeting is this, that you're banned from the house for the duration, Mr Halford?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-10-08 11:11 PM
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Wow. That's really funny, except for the parts where he is totally, randomly racist. I don't know how I missed that as an infant.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-10-08 11:13 PM
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35: It's a bogus journey. Duh.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12-10-08 11:16 PM
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Dude, theyr're writing some kind of b/ogus journey together inb our 2000 sq ft craftsmabn home, which I believe involves some reworking of a J/ohn H/uston film. Fuck this, I'm going to liveblog unfogged in a dive bar for possibly the 14( h time,


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 12-10-08 11:52 PM
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Ok, I just got told that I'm "soft" for a combination of myy unworked hands and typing on my Blackberry. Fuck you, unfogged, says mew and soem random tough dude sitting next to me.


Posted by: robert halford | Link to this comment | 12-10-08 11:55 PM
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39: best bar in LA, eh? You'd best be drunker'n that to prove it!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-10-08 11:56 PM
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Fuck this noise I'm in on the brawl. I just met some fishtanks salesman whose like awwwwww yeah I sold some dude this fucking clean tank so fuck you.


Posted by: robert halfors | Link to this comment | 12-10-08 11:57 PM
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which I believe involves some reworking of a J/ohn H/uston film

GOOGLEPROOFING CANNOT FOOL THE DEAD, FOUL PLAGIARIST!


Posted by: ZOMBIE JOHN HUSTON | Link to this comment | 12-10-08 11:58 PM
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robert halfors is the new btock lamerf.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-10-08 11:59 PM
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Oh jesus christ delete all saviors Beck and W-lfs-n.


Posted by: robert halford | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 12:00 AM
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Oh, don't worry. I'm sure it'll get deleted in good time. Keep commenting!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 12:02 AM
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DELETE ME, WILL YOU?


Posted by: ZOMBIE SAVIOR | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 12:03 AM
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Yeah drunk bKentucky dude cousin at next seat says fuck rat orgasm ontellectuals and vive AWB's good common sense so like fuck yeah.


Posted by: robert halford | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 12:03 AM
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You should ask if he likes your band.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 12:06 AM
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Wait, how do I figure in this?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 12:07 AM
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"The good Lord made us man and woman, but Smith and Wesson Beck and W-lfs-n made us equal"


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 12:08 AM
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49: as best I can gather, you're a savior, and thus marked for deletion?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 12:09 AM
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God jesus I fucking loathe fucking fuckface racists. Dude next seat eays he likes music but hates Obama fuck you even at redneck simulacram hipster joint racost fuck$


Posted by: robert halford | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 12:10 AM
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Are you sure he's not just a simulacram of a fucking fuckface racost?


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 12:12 AM
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No good lord BW delete all this, except potentially hilariouus redneck unfogged interlocutors.


Posted by: robert halford | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 12:12 AM
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he likes music but hates Obama

Even the most hardcore racost fuck$ has to admit the President-elect has an angelic singing voice.

Is it just me, or does this bar sound kind of awful?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 12:13 AM
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I like music, but I hate all this Obama stuff that's on the radio now instead of rock.


Posted by: Cryptec nid | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 12:14 AM
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Very friendly, but diverse.


Posted by: robert halford | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 12:15 AM
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Is it just me, or does this bar sound kind of awful?

No, you sound awful, too.

(I keed, I keed.)


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 12:15 AM
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Worst world music ever

Download it and tell me why anyone would say anything good about this sort of thing except strictly for its relevance to a few anthropologists.


Posted by: Cryptec nid | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 12:17 AM
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58: I'm harmonizing fine, it's the bar that's flat.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 12:17 AM
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Jesus fucking fuck philipinos. Now delete


Posted by: robert halforsd | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 12:18 AM
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I think rob is drinking concentrated ToS.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 12:19 AM
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Robert halford revealed as the ToS. I knew the trolling was coming from inside the house.


Posted by: Cryptec nid | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 12:19 AM
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62: Bitters; tall; no rocks; in a to-go cup.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 12:20 AM
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Hey Sifu, you know about thay complicated math homework? I'm eatsted as shot but have no clu wtf you're talking about.


Posted by: robert halford | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 12:21 AM
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I believe I can still outargue, and outpunch in the nads, the TOS. I welcome the opportunity.


Posted by: robert halford | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 12:23 AM
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So nid, in your search for world music, what specifically led you to the "20 minute didgeridoo opus" section?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 12:24 AM
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65: I have no clu wtf you're talking about, as well!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 12:25 AM
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This album (borrowed from the local library, which I just discovered has a massive "International" section in the CD department) has 8 songs on it. All of them have the same music, such as it is; the same vocal melodies in random combination; and as far as I can tell, the same lyrics. I really have no idea what the anthropologists are going on about in the liner notes.

"Green Frog" is the longest of the 8 songs.

This is up there with some of those one-man Norwegian black metal bands for the most unbelievably (literally, not believably) repetitive thing I've ever heard.

Oh, check it out, one of the top Google results is at Jstor.


Posted by: Cryptec Nid | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 12:29 AM
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Actually I rather like this song. It's droney and trance-like; you were expecting maybe snappy didgeridoo melodies with fun, sexy lyrics?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 12:31 AM
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ALL 8 SONGS SOUND THE SAME.

Want me to upload the others?

Also, it rubs me the wrong way that the ethnomusicoanthropologists don't even know what the lyrics mean. They just write them phonetically in the booklet. Although they know what the titles mean in English.


Posted by: Cryptec Nid | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 12:33 AM
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Wow. Rapidshare's indication that I have to wait "Still 30 seconds" for being a free user is rather ineffective as a marketing technique.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 12:34 AM
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I'm looking for music I have that's weirder and more abrasive (which shouldn't be hard.. this is kind of mellow and nice).


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 12:36 AM
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Weirder and more abrasive?

I liked the clips of Noism that "Cerebral Metalhead" put up a couple days ago.


Posted by: Cryptec nid | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 12:38 AM
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It sort of sounds like it might be a dirge. I wonder what it's about.

73: You can have this for free, I'm told. They're just that decent as people.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 12:39 AM
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OK, you relativists, here's another one.


Posted by: Cryptec nid | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 12:45 AM
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Garranan is a species of owl.

Most of these songs have very few lyrics and last about two minutes. So the 9-minute track is actually five slightly different performances of the same song.


Posted by: Cryptec nid | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 12:46 AM
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For you, Nid.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 12:47 AM
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Awesome, what is the story behind that? Exploring the possibilities of synthesizers, 30 years ago?

Sounds like Michel Waisvisz but cooler (more spontaneous).


Posted by: Cryptec nid | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 12:52 AM
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Michel Waisvisz (all I know is what WFMU tells me)


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Dude hooked a bunch of synths up to an EEG. That's all I really know.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 12:55 AM
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Drunken bar update. I have now been jostled by several people, and am trying to calm incipient beligerence. I hate the Blackberry for allowing me to liveblog this.


Posted by: robert halford | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 12:56 AM
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Rob's gonna eat that blackberry.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 12:58 AM
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Fear not, for drunken-bar-consultants have arrived. Advice dispensed for a very reasonable fee.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 12:58 AM
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A song we got as a CD single at the college radio station and played quite often, just to marvel at the inessentialness.

Cannot find any evidence on the internet that the song, the band, or the rapper, or even the record label ever existed. So, don't spread the word too far.


Posted by: Cryptec nid | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 12:59 AM
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Aha: details.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 12:59 AM
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Mmg, how do the scots calmdown the urge to barfight? Caus I'm feeling the need to throwdown, and avoiding the wife's phonecalls. Wolfosn, pls delete.


Posted by: robert halford | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 1:03 AM
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85: that's really awful.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 1:03 AM
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You got some seeerious flappers goin' on there, Sifu. Check 'em out, check 'em out, check 'em out.

If you didn't like that, try the instrumental.

The promo makes a special point to say that they decided to start off their new record label with a cover of a classic song. Well, the song wasn't that great even back then.


Posted by: Cryptec nid | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 1:13 AM
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Ok, I've now drunk myself into the poit where I've resolve ogged's contrarianism, lb's conventional feminism, tia's aggressive feminism, pgd's traditionalism, stanley's sensibleness, fl's humor, my own lurkuriness and the comentariness, and cala's smartness, sifu's hilariousness, and w-lfs-n's smartness into one giant comprehensible ball of enlightenment. Too bad y'all can't be here to appreciate it.


Posted by: robert halford | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 1:15 AM
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Mmg, how do the scots calmdown the urge to barfight?

You know, I have no idea. I'm not sure it ever happens.

[More seriously, I just think of all the bad things that might happen (to me) and work on inculcating a bit of healthy fear in myself ... ]


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 1:15 AM
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I'm glad my hilariousness is bracketed by others' smartnesses. Don't want any accidents.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 1:16 AM
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Just truin to make as many enemies as possible! Fortunately for you, literally everyone here is s$arter than me, particularly Sifu.


Posted by: robert hqallford | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 1:18 AM
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Ok, time to take a cab home. Tune in tomorrow for hangover and shame that I've wasted the time of my smart internet. Commentator acquaintance fcommentoing$


Posted by: robert halford | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 1:27 AM
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No, I'm an idiot. If I were smart, I'd be asleep.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 1:27 AM
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stanley's sensibleness

Wait, what now? You are drunk.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 1:28 AM
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Look at yours. They're like monsters, stickin' out.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 1:28 AM
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literally everyone here is s$arter than me, particularly Sifu.

Does sound like an interesting bar. And that trickster Sifu was there the whole time?


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 4:21 AM
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Conventional? Halford is banned! (as well as probably being hung over and possibly injured.)


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 6:04 AM
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Halford is banned!

Kobe wants to know whether you feminists will ever come up with a new trick beyond shutting down the dialogue.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 6:12 AM
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90: I, however, remain inscrutable as ever to Mr. Halford.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 6:25 AM
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59, 69, 71 etc: I jump in to defend the ethnomusicologists in question (because I vaguely know them). I'm wondering if nid has misunderstood the purpose of this CD, and by extension, of the Smithsonian Folkways project.


Posted by: Nakku | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 6:38 AM
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I love British short seasons and short runs.

You've never encountered Heartbeat, have you? Or Casualty, the series that time forgot? The very worst British dramas always go on... and on.. and on FOR FUCKING EVER (mostly on my parents' telly: this is one of the reasons I rarely visit). It's not all Life on Mars and The Office, y'know.


Posted by: sharon | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 3:47 PM
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I dunno how plausible this is.

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He was making fun of Don Rickles. Rickles is always making race jokes, so Johnny walked in and started acting like Don to mock him.


Posted by: David Weman | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 4:52 PM
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I've been watching the American Life on Mars, but I think I only like it because it makes me feel young again.


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 5:05 PM
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You've never encountered Heartbeat, have you? Or Casualty, the series that time forgot? The very worst British dramas always go on... and on.. and on FOR FUCKING EVER (mostly on my parents' telly: this is one of the reasons I rarely visit). It's not all Life on Mars and The Office, y'know.

Fair enough! It just feels like the good dramas get more of a chance to be self-contained, or at least to have seasons with thirteen episodes or fewer. But the grass really is always greener; huge swathes of crap just never get exported, in both directions, giving a rather distorted view.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 5:19 PM
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I've been watching the American Life on Mars, but I think I only like it because it makes me feel young again.

I have trouble believing it could be good, but this is probably just a failure of imagination on my part. I have a massive crush on John Simm (of the original Life on Mars), but I liked him best in State of Play.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 5:21 PM
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A lot of British series that start off good run out of things to write about by the beginning of their third 8-episode season, whereas our series that start off good usually don't get to that point until the beginning of their third 20-episode season.

e.g. "Black Books"


Posted by: Sui Sponse Sui | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 5:22 PM
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I have trouble believing it could be good

It is hard not to like Harvey Keitel as a pre PC cop. (Pre PC: Gretchen Mol's character is routinely called "no balls").


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 12-11-08 5:40 PM
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