Re: A seasonally appropriate radio show

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Crumb's A Little Suite for Christmas, A.D. 1979?


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 6:02 PM
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No, Songs, Drones, and Refrains of Death (selections).


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 6:05 PM
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Wrnrld

How are you planning on pronouncing this?


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 6:17 PM
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Oh, I misspelled it; it's actually "Wrnlrd". According to B. Wu, 'Wrnlrd (the person, not the band) says he prefers to pronounce the name "wern-lerd," but that it can be "pronounced any way you like."' I think I'd go with "wernlerd" or "wernlord" or something like that.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 6:20 PM
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3: The way you say it is like in the "Hitchhikers" episode of Diff'rent Strokes, when Arnold gets kidnapped and they bind and gag him with electrical tape, but he escapes and hops away, and some stranger tries to help him, and asks him his name, but he's still gagged, so he's like, WRNRLD.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 6:24 PM
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The most immediate impression one gets from a first listen to this album is that the electric guitars sound something like the way diamond-encrusted sandpaper rubbing against skin might feel.
I'm sure we're all eagerly anticipating your broadcast, Ben.
Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 6:24 PM
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Or what ben says, whatever.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 6:24 PM
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"downright nasty, in a good way"—who wouldn't appreciate that?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 6:27 PM
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4: It's pronounced Throat-Warbler Mangrove.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 6:53 PM
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my youngest sister used to write omitting all vowels when she was learning how to write
i wonder whether one can listen to the recorded version of the program, if it's possible coz i'm afraid i'll be not able to listen, alas, attending the Christmas eve party at a friend's house


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 8:16 PM
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10: i'll be not able to listen, alas, attending the Christmas eve party at a friend's house

Think of it as an opportunity. Everyone can listen! It would surely be much remarked upon.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 8:20 PM
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Everyone can listen! It would surely be much remarked upon.
i give up, sometimes i doubt i understand English at all


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 8:30 PM
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It's not you, read, it's me. I was making the suggestion that you convince the host/hostess to use Ben's radio show as the music at the party. I then further speculated that if you succeeded in doing that it would become the focus (however briefly) of conversation.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 8:38 PM
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he, that's out of the question, i keep unfogged my personal secret


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 8:41 PM
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'he' was an exclamation like hee, not a pronoun


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 8:43 PM
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should render it heh, maybe


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16: Yeah, learn that one. "Heh" can get you surprisingly far on the Internet.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 8:51 PM
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Heh. Indeed.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 9:00 PM
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John illustrating the advanced technique.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 9:02 PM
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Oh gnashing of teeth and rending of garments! Wail! Curse!

Fucking Photoshop has chosen to contract an "unexpected and unrecoverable problem." After I get a new computer! After I pirate borrow a copy from my far-flung family, complete in a shiny case with a serial number! After I dedicate a huge chunk of my shiny new hard drive to its installation! And then it chooses to poop out on me. Where is the justice in that!?


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 9:03 PM
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Poo. Curse.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 9:04 PM
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Life isn't fair, JM. There are children in Moldava still using Commodore 64s.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 9:09 PM
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My honey and I were just reminiscing about the Commodore 64. He actually had a VIC-20 at one point. I used to have shoeboxes and shoeboxes full of 3.5" floppies, 10 of which were required to play a single, not-particularly-image-heavy game.

Still, I wish my Photoshop would work.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 9:12 PM
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I only transferred all of my floppies about 3-5 years ago, and some of them were 5 3/4" floppies.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 9:18 PM
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There are children starving Photoshop developers in Moldava still using Commodore 64s.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 9:23 PM
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Dear Santa,

What is the likelihood that the Radu Malfatti/Phil Durrant selection will also feature John Butcher on saxophone? That is what I would like and I have been great this year.

Respectfully,
Kriston


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 9:27 PM
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20: often fixable. Go through the instructions in you got from the store torrent site, and make sure you're following them correctly a/f/a renaming the original executable and so on. Then, if that fails, download a different pirated version -- you can even just download the hacked executable, ordinarily, and download the demo version from Adobe.

AND IT'S ALL 100% LEGAL!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 9:36 PM
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p=0, I'm afraid.

I saw John Butcher perform earlier this year (not later this year!); two solo improvs, one on soprano and one on alto, and then a group improv with the sfSound players, and it was fucking fantastic. The first solo improvisation was really mind-blowingly great.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 9:36 PM
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Ben you should drop some Prima Materia in there.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 9:37 PM
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I haven't found that esper yet.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 9:40 PM
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some of them were 5 3/4" floppies

Minnesotans got an extra 1/2" for free? (ATM).


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 9:40 PM
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We have a slightly different measurement system than the corrupt, rude, sober 49 states.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 9:44 PM
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Ben, you should find some way to record your show so we can download it later. I can't be bound by PST.


Posted by: Bave Dee | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 9:45 PM
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So is the SF meetup on for next Tuesday?
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Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 9:46 PM
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34: hell yeah!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 9:47 PM
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Bave: they recently (well, as of August, the last time I did a show) changed the recording system so that I don't know what inputs go where anymore, and I doubt the engineer will be there tomorrow. I will, however, give it a shot.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 9:47 PM
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Is it really going to be at that place on Townsend? Despite Josh's claims, it doesn't look all that close to BART.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 9:48 PM
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37: 20 minute walk; that's not horrible. What's someplace closer? Nobody was stepping up!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 9:50 PM
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Define "close to BART". It's a 10-15 minute walk straight down 2nd from the Montgomery Street station.

We don't *have* to go to Tres Agaves, but given that at this point I have no idea how many people are going to show I think it makes sense to go someplace that has plenty of room.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 9:51 PM
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39: it's hard to imagine that it'd be more than like 10 people, right? Who else is around?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 9:53 PM
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I counted the people who expressed interest in the last thread but one and there were only about fifteen, and that included jms, and Wrongshore and wife, driving up from LA. Probably it could be held in someone's home.

What's someplace closer? Nobody was stepping up!

Zeitgeist? Of course that's not very close to the MLA hotels, and you'd be outside, and surrounded by odious people. But it's close to me. (Actually I don't even like it very much.) I'm just being a twerp.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 9:55 PM
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When we were doing a roll call for interest in a big get-together, we had more like 20 people. I figure some of 'em have dropped out given that it's not going to be UDCIII, but hell if I know who's gonna be there.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 9:56 PM
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I'm just being a twerp.

Hella. Zeitgeist kinda blows. What about Li Po? They serve strange, off-label, medicinal-tasting chinese liquors.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 9:56 PM
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Zeitgeist in December? Fuck no. (Plus it's even more inconvenient to BART than Tres Agaves.) If it were July I'd be all over it, though.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 9:58 PM
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I think we should just go with Tres Agaves. It's a perfectly reasonable walk, or, if people have little tiny stumpy legs and no feet, a deeply inexpensive cab ride. Besides, changing the venue now can't help anything.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 10:00 PM
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Plus it's close to my office. So there, w-lfs-n.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 10:01 PM
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Is that place with the vodka infusions still open? It was a bit of a yuppie bar, but oh the vodkas. Or what about that place that served calf brains right up under the bridge there? That place still around?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 10:02 PM
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When we were doing a roll call for interest in a big get-together, we had more like 20 people.

I count: jackmo, foolishmortal, sek, me, otto, awb, josh, magpie, sifu, blume, sybil, rfts, ninjaphilosopher, water moccasin, jms, wrongshore, mrs wrongshore

which makes 17, some of whom were maybes.


Plus it's even more inconvenient to BART than Tres Agaves.

??


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 10:03 PM
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46: that settles it.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 10:04 PM
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Infusion is gone, although the restaurant that's taken its place still has the infused vodkas over the bar. Don't know the place that served calf brains, but if it was on 2nd or 3rd it's gone now.

Tres Agaves definitely has a higher douche quotient than I'd prefer, but I figure we're there to balance it out. The fact that's it's not baseball season will help, too.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 10:06 PM
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It's next tues now? The 30th? That could work even better than the weekend, methinks.

i can even give jms a ride up (but not back down).

I vote for odious people if there's also dancing. If you can get them to play a waltz, the mrs and I will restage our wedding boogie.


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 10:08 PM
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But will they let me bring my own booze?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 10:09 PM
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If you can get them to play a waltz, the mrs and I will restage our wedding boogie.

I saw the pictures. I was scandalized.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 10:09 PM
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Actually, that could also be the first day we're supposed to be somewhere. So it could all go to hell. But we'll send holograms if that's the case. Tweety will help us make them.


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 10:10 PM
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That one picture was kinda racy, there, weren't it?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 10:10 PM
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I vote for odious people if there's also dancing.

Sadly there will be no dancing (or any music, actually) at Tres Agaves. Really, what it has going for it is space, relative convenience, and a shit-ton of awesome tequila. (If any of you know Tommy's out in the Outer Richmond, this is their attempt to go a bit higher-end. And cash in on the ballpark.)


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 10:14 PM
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55: Getting ideas for your own wedding?


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 10:15 PM
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56: that place is kind of creeping me out, man. A ballpark cash-in? Is it, like, a sports bar, by any chance? Because I'm not sure that's a good fit.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 10:16 PM
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57: I didn't see him wearing a tarzan outfit.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 10:16 PM
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Oh! I can't make it. I meant to come up to SF over the holidays, but then my plans changed, plus I thought the meetup might not happen, or else I just forgot. Sad for me, because I did want to.

Thanks for the offer of the ride though, Wrongshore! And congratulations again to you and the lovely Ms. Joyshore. I wish I could see the pictures! I keep meaning to join the Flickr pool, but I haven't got a Flickr account, and there are so many steps, and I start to sign up, but then it seems like so much work just to stalk imaginary people on the internet, and OH GOD, WHY CAN'T MY GRATIFICATION BE INSTANT.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 10:19 PM
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Here's a picture of apostroher.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 10:22 PM
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Good job, Sifu.

Here is a picture of apostropher.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 10:23 PM
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It's not a sports bar. What it is is a big restaurant with a good-sized bar attached. (Restaurant interior here. Bar shots here and here.)


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 10:23 PM
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I was scandalized.

I wasn't aware of it at the time, but apparently somewhere in between the first kiss and the recessional I tried to get to second base, and she deftly swatted down my hand. Several friends confirmed this.

OH GOD, WHY CAN'T MY GRATIFICATION BE INSTANT.

sigh. check yer email.


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 10:24 PM
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I'm all for going someplace else, BTW, I just haven't come up with any better suggestions.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 10:25 PM
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I have never been here.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 10:26 PM
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I do most of my drinking in my lonely room, you know, so it's hard to come up with ideas.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 10:28 PM
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The spot in 66 looks tasty. Pisco is good.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 10:31 PM
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Thanks Tweety and Wrongshore! Now everyone else do what they did.

WS, those photos are beautiful. Your bride looks gorgeous, and so do you.

Apostropher looks very nice too, Tweety.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 10:32 PM
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Yeah, sure, the place in 66 works too.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 10:36 PM
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There might still be douchebags, but hey, SF.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 10:38 PM
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There might still be douchebags

Holy Mother of Christ on fuckstick!!


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 10:44 PM
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a fuckstick


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 10:44 PM
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Oh, totally go to Cantina! I really wanted to try that last time I was in, but absolutely nothing went as planned that trip. Go to Cantina and let me live vicariously!


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 10:48 PM
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This thread is reminding me why I hate The Fucking City.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 10:53 PM
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C'mon Josh, feel the love. Leave your heart at La Cantina.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 10:57 PM
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I used to have shoeboxes and shoeboxes full of 3.5" floppies, 10 of which were required to play a single, not-particularly-image-heavy game.

The standard smug nerd joke many years ago was that Microsoft was going to call it "Windows 95" because that's how many floppies it was going to take to install it.

I recently bought a USB floppy drive to work out an issue with a new laptop hard drive. I felt so ridiculously old school. The Best Buy had two tiny boxes of floppy disks nestled like frightened pigeons on a wall of other media.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 11:02 PM
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Pisco is good.

Indeed. Add cola or a sour mix* combo, or just take shots. If there's a Chilean and/or Peruvian in the room (preferably both, but one will do), you can often get high levels of rage by pointing out that Pisco actually originated in [Chile/Peru] (you choose!).

*fresh, if available


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 11:12 PM
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77.1 Windows isn't done 'til Lotus doesn't run.

77.2 two tiny boxes of floppy disks nestled like frightened pigeons on a wall of other media.

Floppies on the wall, appall(ed).
Floppies on the wall, appall(ed).


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 11:20 PM
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I'm jealous of the West Coasters tonight.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 11:31 PM
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Movie of the night:"My Zinc Bed"

David Hare teleplay with Paddy Considine, Uma Thurman, & Jonathan Pryce about addiction and adultery. Considine is an alcoholic poet who think he can't write unless he's a drinking. Pryce as tycoon seduces him off the wagon. Loys of talk about AA. Merely ok Hare, and Hare for me is just ok.

Hare is getting repetitive? Westherby and Plenty have similar themes, about addictions and nostalgia.

As someone who thinks himself an addict, there was line I liked:"If you were really cured you would no longer have the desire. And who wants to be cured of desire?" There is something wrong about choosing the identity of a recovering addict.

Been thinking about opium for months now. Don't know why, I know nothing much about opium. But can't stop thinking about it, imagining the ritual and sensations.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 11:35 PM
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I know nothing much about opium.

It's fun as shit.

I've never done it properly. Still, though.

I was tempted when I was in Laos, but I figured I could get burned to easily. Besides, semi-autocratic government.

For you, bob? Short, declarative sentences.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-23-08 11:41 PM
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Heh, my academic professional society had our annual meetings in SF a few weeks ago, and my marginal little interest group had our thrillingly-titled "Social Event" at Cantina. Apparently many of the bar staff majored in [academic field], and let us have the room for free. It was by far the hippest place most of my colleagues had ever been; as we all got politely tipsy, the conversation revolved almost entirely around the cost of the drinks.


Posted by: Marichiweu | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 12:02 AM
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I would like to note that if all goes well then I'll get to leave work early today and if this happens I will be very excited because I'll get to go home and wrap presents while listening to b-wo's show. IIRC, I've never gotten to listen to one before! I am stoked.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 9:37 AM
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A whole bar full of radical philosophers? Hoo boy.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 9:40 AM
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I should point out to 83 that using your academic e-mail address kind of messes up the whole googleproof-your-field thing.

On the other hand, Marichiweu might well know a friend of mine!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 9:42 AM
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86: probably not, actually; I doubt google indexes mailto: links.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 9:59 AM
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Hey SIFU TWEETY! Could you elaborate a little on your 27?

The previous failed attempt was actually an upload from an original disk, not a download from a bittorrent. It was Photoshop Elements 2.x, and I've got a brand spanking new MacBook running OS X.5.6: I fear that may be my problem right there. As for the second option you mentioned, the hacked executable and the free trial version, this interests me, but I am a computer nimcompoop and need help.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 12:55 PM
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Jackmormon, do you still have the original disk?

How old is this version of elements? I suspect what Sifu was talking about was that many Adobe products have a download available from Adobe that is the complete software, but only works for 30 days or whatever without a license.

If that's the case with elements, and if you can still get the same-ish version, download it from Adobe, and the serial should work.

An alternate ST mentioned is to install the `demo' but acquire a hacked copy of the actual executable and copy that overtop of the version it installs.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 1:11 PM
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This version is from 2002 and has already been installed on a couple of computers. I do still have the disk. I have a feeling that working with this older version isn't going to happen. And besides! I just watched a tutorial with the latest version of (pro) Photoshop and it's so pretty! (I also looked at the best opensource equivalent, GIMP, and was instantly overwhelmed in a Jargon Sublime.)

The last option sounds very attractive. Anybody know where I could get me one of those?


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 1:26 PM
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Can I ask what you are using this for, Jackmormon? If it's photos, you may be much better off with Lightroom (a more recent adobe product)


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 1:30 PM
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I want to use photos to build composite images.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 1:44 PM
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Ah, ok, photoshop is likely your best bet then. GIMP is an ok clone, but last I checked still has some major flaws for photo work (e.g. doesn't handle color spaces properly if at all, no 16/32 bit images, etc). This may have changed by now. It's definitely a bit rough around the edges.

Lightroom or Aperture are much more efficient for most basic photography tasks (than photoshop), but they won't help you with things like compositing.

I'm not sure how much is left out of PS elements these days. CS4 is a major reworking of things in photoshop, but I haven't seen it. CS is huge, but I'm afraid I don't know of anything smaller that would certainly meet your needs (which doesn't mean it doesn't exist, I don't stay on top of this stuff)


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 1:52 PM
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I know! It sounds like such a simple thing---"I want to superimpose this image onto that one"---but really, from there you get into the whole panoply of options for which Photoshop is infamous. The CS4 tutorial vid I just saw makes it seem incredibly, ridiculously powerful, and I wants it.

Based on reviews and performance comparisons, I was about to go for the GIMP, just as an intermediary tool, but then I looked at the most recent version's FAQ page and remembered why I'm in the liberal arts.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 2:04 PM
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Another don't-miss audio spectacular: "Mr. Bush is contemplating a farewell address."


Posted by: Not Prince Hamlet | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 2:04 PM
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94: GIMP is actually pretty easy to sort out, and (older) photoshop-ish in most of its controls. However, it really does have some deep flaws if you ever want to print things, or handle raw images, or, etc. etc. Definitely will allow you do do stuff with layers and compositing though. If it's all going to end up online anyway, you may not care about colorspace issues etc.

You can d/l photoshop CS4 trial from adobe I think, and play with it for a month. Sifu's second option holds for that if you don't mind being a pirate, otherwise it'll be hundreds of dollars. You might be able to upgrade from your old elements for much less, I don't know.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 2:23 PM
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95: that article gave me more human sympathy for Bush as a flawed man in over his head, while confirming the pure evil view of Cheney. It's partially Stockholm syndrome, I guess, but I'm grateful to Bush for not invading Iran in his second term. I really thought he might. And the auto bailout recently showed a bit of a human side.

My favorite quote from the article:

"Our ability to explain what we've been doing in the national security field for eight years has been wholly inadequate, and part of that is because too many high officials in the administration were embarrassed by the decisions," Mr. Bolton said.

Posted by: PGD | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 2:32 PM
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I'm grateful to Bush for not invading Iran in his second term. I really thought he might.

I'll still be worried for the next four weeks.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 2:40 PM
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My guess is that at some point Bush-Cheney started getting very stiff resistance from within the military.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 2:41 PM
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And to me "a flawed man in over his head" is a bad way of saying "an mean, cocky bastard, in way above his head, whose ignorant dirty tricks finally caught up with him". I wouldn't start feeling sorrow for him until the hangman had disembowelled him.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 2:46 PM
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Ben, be a dear and beat up whatever ass-hat is destroying my speakers in these few minutes before your show starts.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 3:08 PM
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Yeah, that was, uh, wow. But ben just offered on-air to "over-fill" us with holiday cheer and suggested getting a bucket. ATM.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 3:10 PM
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It was skipping---I actually just wanted to fade it out, talk over it, and then segue into these current charming sounds.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 3:13 PM
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bah, i'm at work on a machine with no sound, which seems to always happen when you stream these things, ben.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 3:15 PM
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Yeah, see, now this? This screams holiday cheer. At the alien robot factory, granted, but still.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 3:17 PM
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Only seven more minutes before a melody!


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 3:18 PM
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Hark! Music!


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 3:26 PM
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OK, so I dig this, but I really dig the playlist page. Reviews! Past times it's been played! Is this what the internet did to college radio? Pretty cool.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 3:28 PM
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W-lfs-n hawking guinea pigs! Getcher holiday guinea pigs!


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 3:28 PM
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95-100:

Mr. Cheney, primarily concerned about the terrorist threat, is setting the stage for a new role as a standard-bearer for conservatives on national security.

I think this is good for the cause of peace.


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 3:31 PM
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regarding 108: does the system automatically push these playlists out? or do you personally publish each one? or what? It's rather brilliant, really.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 3:36 PM
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Well, we have to enter the data by hand, obviously. Actually that's only partly true: for albums in the system we only have to enter their ID number and the artist, album name, tracklist etc is provided. Is that what you're asking?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 3:39 PM
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JM, my Photoshop usage is on the barely trained monkey level so maybe this isn't up to the tasks you're doing, but I've found Seashore does everything I need it to do, and it's free.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 3:39 PM
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112: That partially answers my question. Does some application automatically push out the tracklist content to the web as it plays or are you manually re-publishing the page? (Basically, I was envisioning a system into which you entered your show's track info and then it went nuts, in a good way. And I was wondering if such a thing exists, because that would be rad {considering all radio stations I've been in, save one, still use these certain discs that are compact}.)


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 3:48 PM
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Oh, that's how you mean it. The zk site is totally database-driven, so it's not quite pushed out onto the web as I update it so much as generated for you when you request it. For you.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 3:54 PM
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And of course we use CDs and even elpees too, I don't see what that has to do with it.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 3:54 PM
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W-lfs-n, are you to blame for the death metal?


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 3:58 PM
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Um, well, obviously? This show ain't co-hosted.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 3:58 PM
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And don't even pretend that "Spirit Crusher" doesn't have some kickass riffs.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 3:59 PM
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117: me


Posted by: Michael | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 4:01 PM
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Up next: black metal.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 4:01 PM
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you COULD have passed out, died, been kidnapped or taken hostage, or some other mitigating circumstance


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I don't see what that has to do with it.

I guess I thought you guys were digitizing the song files along with the apparent data entry you're doing. Which seems not to be the case. And thinking about it, that would require a shit ton of hard drive/server space and is probably cost-prohibitive for a small-ish radio station.

In other words, ben, I'm talking over my head here, so, as always, I appreciate your patience and kind manner.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 4:02 PM
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Actually, there's talk of doing something like that. Not on the fly as people play, but of digitizing the library.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 4:04 PM
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This is christmas eve, w-lfs-n. How about some bing crosby? I know you're jewish or something, but this time of year even jews are welcome to worship jesus as the son of god.


Posted by: Michael | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 4:04 PM
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You'll have to settle for Tallis.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 4:05 PM
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Honestly, you still use CDs? I would have thought every campus in the land had some nerd with a boner for being left alone with hard drives and stereo equipment. I don't suppose that would be legal, though.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 4:06 PM
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It's bad for the stereo equipment, too.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 4:06 PM
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Black metal? Are you doing any Gorgoroth this evening?


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 4:11 PM
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No.

The black metal track just ended, Stanley. Obviously you aren't listening. Though there is more coming.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 4:12 PM
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I can't get your fucking radio program to work, Ben. I'm forced to listen to this instead.


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 4:14 PM
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Hey, just kidding! Stanley helped me out. Okay, play something Christlike already.


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 4:16 PM
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That is most unfortunate, smashman.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 4:16 PM
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Stanley helped someone out?!


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 4:17 PM
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134: It was an accident.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 4:21 PM
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Brother Monk would be a compromise, here. Not that I'm endorsing that - I don't believe in compromise. I'm just pointing it out.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 4:22 PM
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This is good music for grading late papers.

F F F FFF F FFFF FF F F F F FF F


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 4:22 PM
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Next up: black metal!


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 4:23 PM
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someone is having memory problems


Posted by: Michael | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 4:23 PM
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Bourgeois pleasures like music prevent us from realizing that that there is no nexus remaining between man and man than naked self-interest.

Now that Norm Coleman is almost done for, I can't decide if I actually hated him, or if it was a contact hatred from interactions with the Sage of Wobegon.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 4:30 PM
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Tomorrow is Christmas?!


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 4:35 PM
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ben said "genre" all french-like just so we'd make fun of him. Troll!


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 4:36 PM
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Did the KZSU page change how they handled their live streaming? I had no trouble hearing Ben's show before, but now it is loading soo slowly. Its seems like it is trying to download the whole show up to this point before I can hear anything.

Also, family is back, so I may not listen to any ben.

Soon, though: the first annual clan helpy-chalk viewing of Life of Brian.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 4:40 PM
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142: caught.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 4:41 PM
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Ooo, this is nice.


Posted by: Bave Dee | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 4:43 PM
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I suspect you would have liked the Durrant/Malfatti/Lehn thing that started the show off, Bave.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 4:46 PM
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ok, I can hear it now, and it is very much putting me in the Christmas spirit.

The Christmas spirit involves digital delay and the impressions that insects are eating your brain, right?


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 4:53 PM
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This is a cover of the great folk/country singer Townes van Zandt, rob.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 4:54 PM
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Maybe it did start me at the beginning of your show. First I heard a piece with a female vocalist and a repetitive acoustic guitar riff. Since then its been digital delay overdub -o-rama.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 4:59 PM
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Maybe you're just lagging: "Funeral Monument of a Young Girl" has a female vocalist ...


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 5:02 PM
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We've switched to reverb-y metal. It says KZSU at the bottom.

Caroline thought the last song was Christmas-y, but this is not.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 5:05 PM
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Now I'm hearing a DWB PSA. But we're all going to have dinner now.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 5:07 PM
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Yeah, you must now be hearing the TvZ cover, I guess. You'll know shortly.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 5:08 PM
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Everyone say goodbye to rob.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 5:08 PM
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Thanks for the recommendation, apo. The problem really is this: I don't know how to use ANY of these programs yet. I know what I want to do, but apparently there's going to be a learning curve with any of these programs. It would be nice to learn some job-applicable skills if I'm going to be spending a chunk of time tinkering with a tetchy program. I may download the trial version before I attempt piracy.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 5:26 PM
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I'm hearing a babbling baby and a babbling man, followed by some violin or viola. Am I up to speed or is everyone hearing something different? It also appears to be raining.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 5:45 PM
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We've now moved on to Death-Drone II. But you're pretty close.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 5:47 PM
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That's Graham Lambkin's excellent Salmon Run you're referring to, btw.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 5:47 PM
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I'm on Townes van Zandt. This is good. Sad, but good.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 5:49 PM
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"She turned to whorin'" was a bit surprisingly, as lyrics go.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 5:50 PM
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er, surprising. I shouldn't multi-task.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 5:52 PM
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What would you have done in her stead?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 5:52 PM
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I would have turned to whorin' myself, ben, like a true gentleman.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 5:55 PM
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Well then.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 5:56 PM
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Will the show climax with an uplifting Neubauten ditty ?
Tune in now, Santa !


Posted by: Der tod ist ein Dandy (Econolicious) | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 6:21 PM
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92: 93: Elements now does layers so compositing might be relatively easy now. If PS-CS4 is what you want, then see if you can qualify for Adobe's educational discount.

IMX Photoshop isn't so much a program as it is a calling. There's no end to learning the tricks, it's an even better time and life waster than Flight Simulator.


Posted by: Biohazard | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 6:22 PM
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Noise metal sounds like snow. Yay Santa!


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 6:27 PM
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I had to omit a Mystic Fugu Orchestra track.

:(


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 6:29 PM
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Liked the thing right before the break, but didn't catch its name as my father was giving me a detailed rundown on his wireless internet setup.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 6:31 PM
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Right before the break was Dead Raven Choir, "Waiting Around to Die", from Sturmfuckinglieder and collected on Cask Strength Black Metal.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 6:32 PM
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I'm back from mine own dinner, at which friends and I discussed the pimps we've known, and am now hearing some lovely free-form percussion and something rather like birdsong. I endorse it.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 6:33 PM
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You are hearing "A Boat among Whales" by Richard Youngs & Alex Neilson from Beating Stars.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 6:34 PM
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Oh, then I'm current! Excellent! Will there be a downloadable of this show later, by the way? I'd like to give anything a listen that comes from an album called Lesbian Corpse Wolves.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 6:37 PM
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I'm making a recording and if it's not totally fucked the way the last one was, then it will be available for download.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 6:39 PM
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Being called away to play Dictionary, but apparently based on choosing a random Wikipedia entry. Will see how that works. I'm told that it is "awesome". Whatevs.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 6:48 PM
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Ben, did you just stifle a giggle at the word "discharges?"


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 6:51 PM
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I stifled a giggle at the way I had pronounced "discharges": the "a" was the same as in "hazing" and the snooty pronunciation of the first "a" in "harassment".


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 6:53 PM
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Also, question mark outside of the quotation marks, if you please.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 6:53 PM
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If you aren't going to listen with correct pronunciation, don't listen at all.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 6:56 PM
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I'm sorry, ben, I couldn't understand your little bitchery for the way you pronounced it "quotation mairks."


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 6:58 PM
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Then how do you know that that's what you couldn't understand?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 6:59 PM
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Let me think on it. You can just close this thread for now and then open it back up later - tomorrow or this weekend - when I've come up with a suitable rejoinder.

Also, this is a hella strange song. It's really putting me in the spirit of the season.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 7:04 PM
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Stay inside!


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 7:05 PM
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Vague, distort, appall... and a string quartet. Yep, it's Xmas.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 7:09 PM
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"Der Tod ist ein Dandy" is a great song.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 7:12 PM
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Jesus, all of a sudden I'm playing FIFA 99 in my head. I heard this song a lot when that game came out. Lovely show, ben. Many thanks for sharing the link.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 7:18 PM
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Good show Ben. I caught the latter part. I hope the recording worked then I can hear the rest.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 7:58 PM
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The girls are asleep, or at least doing a good job of faking it. Santa has arrived and laid out his presents. Mom and Dad are about to drink port by the fire.

Merry Christmas, Unfogged.

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Posted by: Chopper | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 8:10 PM
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186: Which song was that?


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 8:14 PM
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Merry, merry Christmas, Unfogged! The oudemia family is drinking various iterations of sparking wine. Nos rockituri salutamus.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 8:16 PM
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Recording worked out and are being uploaded; when that is done, the links here will work.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 9:28 PM
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Merry Christmas, all! i'm so full can't like move
good night


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 9:28 PM
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thanks


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 9:29 PM
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Ok, they're all up.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-24-08 10:09 PM
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my gratification was premature, coz i can't download from the links they all say error 404


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 12-25-08 9:39 AM
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I had misnamed a directory. Now you can.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 12-25-08 9:45 AM
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great, now thanks, i was waiting forever when the music will begin and there are noises
but, really, my cows


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 12-25-08 10:01 AM
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I crown 197 the best comment ever.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 12-25-08 10:29 AM
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Second.

['Although I admit I liked the thing about Wehrmacht Santa.']


Posted by: max | Link to this comment | 12-25-08 10:39 AM
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90: in case nobody answered you, the Pirate Bay.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-25-08 10:40 AM
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Richard Youngs is awesome.

but, really, my cows


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 12-25-08 10:52 AM
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200.---Hey, thanks!


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i have tried to listen to all four hours, but my vestibular apparate i think is too weak to enjoy it fully, and cows meant pitiful busy-ness, not that i don't get the music


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 12-26-08 9:00 AM
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Read's cows are like McManus's dogs.


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