Re: Ask The Mineshaft: Doobie Newbie Edition

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Well, first off, people who haven't smoked before tend not to take the first time. Second, don't go down to the Haight and buy off a junkie; I'm sure one of us can help you out. Third: what a wise decision! 1-2 times a week should cost you about $60/month, worst case scenario. Of course there's no guarantee you'll like it, but as vices go it's healthy and inexpensive.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 01-30-09 8:29 PM
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I just can't get behind trying to acquire an expensive new health-harming habit. And smoking pretty much anything counts as health-harming.

Okay, that said, don't buy off the street. You'll get cheated or arrested. Surely you know someone who knows someone who smokes pot. Start, if you must, by buying a small amount from someone else's personal stash. If this whole pot habit works out for you, maybe you can find a friendly upper-middle-class delivery guy.

If you live in SF, half of your kids' friends' parents probably smoke up, but you should probably still time your pot-related activities so that you don't need to be available for homework help or whatever. When I smoked pot more regularly, I found that a really small amount of pot fucked me up about as much as two or three glasses of alcohol, if that helps you gauge your timing.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 01-30-09 8:31 PM
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Second, is it a bad idea to start smoking pot at my age? Factors include the fact that I have grade school age kids.

If you wait a couple of years you can buy from your kids.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 01-30-09 8:37 PM
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I know a guy who started out just smoking pot a few times a week, and a few years later wound up in prison after being busted in a hotel room with a large supply of cocaine and a 13-year-old hooker.

True story. I'm just saying.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 01-30-09 8:41 PM
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If the asker lives in SF, he's not far from here.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 01-30-09 8:43 PM
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Ms. Mormon is right: CO is an inevitable byproduct of combustion. Beyond that though, pot is safe as houses. Safer, these days.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 01-30-09 8:45 PM
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Oh man. Turns out the bill that clarified Prop 215 (CA's medical marijuana initiative) was Senate Bill 420. I'm dyin' here.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 01-30-09 8:46 PM
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I assume asker's wife is on board with this plan? And that they've thought through how they'd handle things/feel about it if the kids find out?


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 01-30-09 8:48 PM
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4: I know a couple of people who started out smoking pot, and now they're dead!


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 01-30-09 8:48 PM
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And that they've thought through how they'd handle things/feel about it if the kids find out?

Personal experience suggests that the likeliest response to finding out their parents smoke up is to go straight-edge.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 01-30-09 8:49 PM
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MTM


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 01-30-09 8:52 PM
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Personally, I think buying pot in secret and hiding in one's house to smoke it is cowardice. The ethical way to oppose an unjust law is public civil disobedience. Read King's Letter from Birmingham Jail.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 01-30-09 8:53 PM
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How much alcohol does asker currently drink in the week? If we're talking more than a few drinks a night, it's not clear to me that switching to pot wouldn't be a net health gain.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 01-30-09 9:00 PM
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How hard is it to get your doctor to prescribe you marijuana in California? Might that be the best acquisition scheme?

Also, in lieu of smoking, people vaporize under some vague notion that it's safer. No idea if it is.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 01-30-09 9:01 PM
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I personally attempt to avoid jails of all types, Birmingham or otherwise. If that makes me a coward, so be it. I somehow manage to smoke weed despite my conscience. And advocate it! Not all of us are Rasta MLK.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 01-30-09 9:02 PM
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You don't read the comments here either, do you Stanley?


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 01-30-09 9:04 PM
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14.2: No combustion = no CO.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 01-30-09 9:04 PM
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16: I didn't click through, foolishly thinking you were linking something else.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 01-30-09 9:07 PM
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If part of the attraction here is the relaxation, let it be known that it doesn't always work that way. Somewhere along the way between college and here I stopped being able to smoke pot if I'm stressed out or in a not-already-chill state of mind. It just magnifies the bad, bringing me to a state bordering on paranoia.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 01-30-09 9:09 PM
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19: That's why you have a couple glasses of wine first, Blume. Gawd!


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 01-30-09 9:11 PM
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19: Where's your honey? He'd lay the beatdown on all this bullshit.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 01-30-09 9:12 PM
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20: and the qualudes afterwards.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 01-30-09 9:15 PM
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19: But of course you're right; pot doesn't "relax" per se. If you're 40 and bored, though, it'd work wonders.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 01-30-09 9:17 PM
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That's why you have a couple glasses of wine first

Oh man. I just had a beer (that's one beer), and it did me in. G'night, all. I'm going to be quite the cheap drunk by the time I finish this dissertation.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 01-30-09 9:18 PM
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"Quaalude", ned. A "qualude" is something gamelike.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 01-30-09 9:19 PM
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The smoking pots while be-kidded is something that's always kind of intrigued me. I mean, where do you go? Outside, I guess.

A couple friends have funny stories from their twenties when they ended up getting high with their parents. I gather it's pretty common.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 01-30-09 9:26 PM
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Ahem, smoking pots, which I have not been.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 01-30-09 9:27 PM
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Stanley enjoys smoking pots while receiving fellatios.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 01-30-09 9:29 PM
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Given that the tariat seems to be unhelpful, I'd recommend doctor shopping. I've got friends in CA with ridiculous diagnoses requiring THC, so it can't be impossible.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 01-30-09 9:31 PM
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Someone you know already smokes pot. Seriously, do not buy off the street. Christ, no. If all else fails, to go a meeting of NORML. At first they're going to think you're a narc but if you don't try to be more-stoner-than-thou, and thus not conspicuously suspect, sooner or later someone will be willing to hook you up.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 01-30-09 9:38 PM
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Well, I'll go Cassandra on you: bad idea. Downside risk outweighs upside potential. Switch instead to higher grades of alcohol. Or a new gym. Or both.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 01-30-09 9:39 PM
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Charley, if we don't support the weed-growing people in Mexico and Canada, they're going to want to come here.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 01-30-09 9:42 PM
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I successfully took up smoking pot a few years ago. Ditto what everyone else said that you know someone who smokes pot and don't buy off the street. That said, have you never smoked pot before? How do you know you'll like it? I would suggest procuring a small amount and smoking a couple times before you go crazy trying to dissect the moral dilemma of how you feel about smoking when your kids are asleep or whatever.

And I would advise to try getting stoned on a weeknight. Reactions can really vary--some people wake up feeling very refreshed the next morning. Others are super groggy, and I am in that camp so I only smoke on the weekends. I vastly, vastly prefer it to alcohol and consequently drinking has lost much of its appeal (not that it had that much to begin with for me).

Set rules for yourself and abide by them. I got into a phase where I was dating a guy who smoked a lot and I was getting high literally every day. It was fun, but then we had sex while not stoned and I went "oh." Having sex while high is fun, but don't do it too often or the not-high sex will kinda suck. Just my experience, and some people don't even get horny while stoned so YMMV. Anyway, after that I decided to not have any more stoned sex, and cut back to more like twice a month.

I think it's a far superior drug to alcohol in terms of personal health, enjoyment, cost, likelihood of fights (i.e. zero), and likelihood of making people act like assholes (very low).

On the other hand, it's illegal, so if like me you may someday want a job with the government or some kind of public office you find yourself wanting to give it up.


Posted by: Abigail Adams | Link to this comment | 01-30-09 9:48 PM
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I don't mean to belabor the point, but where's the risk, 31? higher grades of alcohol are more dangerous and expensive.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 01-30-09 9:48 PM
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Listen to Ms, Adams.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 01-30-09 9:55 PM
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Seconding 34. Given where the asker lives, he'd have to do something ludicrously stupid to have any legal issues, and the health issues aren't any worse than booze.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 01-30-09 9:58 PM
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Grade school kids aid and abet Murphy's law. Discretion errors with zinfandel are of a different class. I don't find much risk of getting into fights with alcohol either.

I live in a pretty different world, of course.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 01-30-09 9:59 PM
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36 -- Sure, if you limit 'legal issues' to arrests by local police. OK, I yield: no stoned person has ever done anything ludicrously stupid . . .


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 01-30-09 10:01 PM
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1. Buy a vaporizer! I cannot emphasize this enough. No smoke, no coughing, kid friendly. Google "Vapor Doc".

2. Get a prescription. It ain't hard. In the meantime, don't be freaked out buying on Haight. They'll rip you off quantity-wise (2.2g = an eighth is the standard), but they'll sell you genuine weed. Oh! Also! Try baked goods. Great fun.

Courage! I'm so proud of you.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 01-30-09 10:10 PM
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OK, I yield: no stoned person has ever done anything ludicrously stupid . . .

Well, there's a bit of a difference between a teenager getting blazed and your average 40-something.

But seriously, other than getting into trouble with the local cops (which, really, I'm not sure even walking up to an SFPD beat cop and blowing weed smoke in his face would get you busted), what kind of legal issues are you talking about?


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 01-30-09 10:11 PM
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Buy a vaporizer!

I am of the impression that vaporizers get you OMG I'M HIGH AS SHIT FUCK MAN levels of high. That might not be the entry level we're looking at here. Maybe "vaporizer with extreme caution about input"?

I clearly don't know what I'm talking about. (Hi, DEA!)


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 01-30-09 10:15 PM
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Someone you know already smokes pot.

That probably doesn't help.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 01-30-09 10:44 PM
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41: don't believe the hype, man. I mean, you can use it that way, but feel free to stop when you're high.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 01-30-09 11:15 PM
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I think what the asker should really do is forget about marijuana- it's too grateful dead for the 21st century. As someone who has abused prescription drugs on my copays dime, ahem, legally, for yyyeeeeaaaarrrrssss, I would recommend you go get yourself an ambian prescription. Put the kids to bed, open a bottle of wine, you pop one pill, your wife pops one pill, chug the bottle of red, and you'll be in heaven. If you fall asleep after the first attempt here, then on the next try, down a considerable amount of red bull first. Slowly but surely you will build up a tolerance and by autumn you'll be downing 8 or 9. Just don't drive. Or hunt anyone.


Posted by: bend | Link to this comment | 01-30-09 11:18 PM
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the tolerance is to ambian, by the way.
Don't be afraid. Embrace it.
Though I imagine you will also build up a tolerance on caffeine.


Posted by: bend | Link to this comment | 01-30-09 11:20 PM
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Pot is much healthier if ingested in ways other than smoking it.

I feel like I could have written this post. This is a burning question for me now: Where do you get pot?

NORML? For serious?


Posted by: ozma | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 12:21 AM
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One note of caution: questions of the form "I think I am taking too much of drug x; should I switch to drug y?" -- which is how I read this one -- are missing a rather important point.
Not that I haven't been rescued from depressions before by switching to dope from drink; but to relieve work stress by making yourself incapable of working isn't always the most elegant solution to the problem. In other words, they whoudl listen to Dr. read.


Posted by: Nworb Werdna | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 12:22 AM
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Ambien is way sketchier than pot. Driving on ambien, for instance, is bad news, whereas driving on pot is just a more challenging videogame.

I leave Nworb's analysis aside, in my recommendations, assuming you know what you're doing.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 12:26 AM
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AFAIK, one can get a "prescription" at most medical marijuana stores; they usually have a doctor who does the requisite medical determination that one is in need for about $100. [Years ago, back before most of you were born, I had a doctor tell me to smoke grass when I had migraines. If only I'd made him write that down on a scrip pad...]

I have an excellent recipe for grass brownies, BTW, should anyone need one.


Posted by: DominEditrix | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 12:33 AM
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Ambien can lead to odd behaviours: My little sister was discovered in her kitchen at 3AM, spreading ice cream on toast with a butcher's knife.

Then there's the guy who may have been on Ambien when he froze to death whilst sleepwalking.


Posted by: DominEditrix | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 12:36 AM
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Then there's Peter Buck, then there's a lot of people. Ambien is good if you intend to go to sleep right away, and can back that intention up. Otherwise stay away. Stick with something safe and comprehensible, like pot.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 12:39 AM
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Ambien can lead to odd behaviours

It's the not remembering ANY behaviours that bothers me about my reactions to Ambien. If I'm e amusing I want to be able to appreciate it later and I'd really like to know if I should be heading for the border before they find the


Posted by: Biohazard | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 1:04 AM
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Speaking of drugs, miracle fruit update: whoah! Lemon tastes just like lemon with sugar on it. Super wacky!

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Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 1:11 AM
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Try salt and vinegar potato chips!


Posted by: Tj | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 1:42 AM
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51: Ambien has enough documented reports of sleepwalking activity to make me uncomfortable with it. And drunken rock musicians, IMX, are often assholes without benefit of additional drugs.


Posted by: DominEditrix | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 1:44 AM
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Crap, I don't have any. I've tried goat cheese, beer, prosciutto, sriracha, raw lemon, raw garlic and avocado. Raw ginger and chocolate are next on the agenda.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 1:44 AM
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55: I can document another bunch just from my own personal experience. Take ambien & don't go to sleep means be all kinds of crazy, and don't remember it later.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 1:45 AM
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49: I have had migraines all week. Should I move to California?


Posted by: Nworb Werdna | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 4:25 AM
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58: yes, duh. Brits thrive here.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 4:28 AM
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Also. I am so glad to learn that some thoughtful person has put on the market a hands free vapouriser, for those moments when you can't even hold the nozzle that you're sucking any longer.


Posted by: Nworb Werdna | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 4:32 AM
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59: I know two who tried it. One is a fellow of the Hoover Institute, and I don't think I will be imitating him; the other married a polyamorous woman and was not happy. He also got a contract for a book on how to overcome procrastination and failed to deliver it on time. But he might have managed that without the move.


Posted by: Nworb Werdna | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 4:35 AM
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Can't help you with obtaining any, but as has been noted - you will already know people who have some. Drop a lot of hints and eventually you'll get a bite.

I smoke when my kids are asleep/in bed and not likely to get up. Usually in our bedroom which is up in the attic away from them. So far none of them have mentioned it, or any strange smells, etc. I don't get massively stoned (most of the time), but it certainly helps me get to sleep at a reasonable time each night, not least because I've gone upstairs to smoke in the first place. And the sex is great and more frequent. (Which also helps me get to sleep.)


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 5:04 AM
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Re: toking while bekidded. My brother smoked pot every day for years, and had a gro-lite in a (locked) closet in the basement. It wasn't until his daughter had graduated HS that she confronted him with "You smoke pot, don't you?". Granted, she may have suspected it earlier.

Anyway, I wouldn't recommend his method of concealment/camouflage, which was smoking about 5-10 roll-your-own cigarettes a day. He simply added a sprig of bud to the mix whenever he wanted a buzz.


Posted by: Cyrus Vance | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 6:51 AM
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I had sex on ambien once after a long plane flight, it was a weird out-of-body thing- I remembered it happening the next morning, but more like it had happened to someone else, not me.
Did you buy miracle fruit themselves or are you growing your own? I've had a couple plants for two years and they've given me a total of one partially-ripe fruit. They're in the basement under a grow lamp for the winter- MA may not be the best place to grow tropical fruits.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 7:14 AM
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Holy shit, I just realized that I had a dream last night (during a restless sleep) in which first my MIL lit up - ostensibly for health purposes - and then AB did. The latter is realistic - although she hasn't since grad school - but the former is more or less unimaginable.

I had not seen this post before bed, I would add.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 7:21 AM
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spreading ice cream on toast with a butcher's knife.

But the really freaky part was that she had put garlic in to saute before the onion.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 7:22 AM
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What a weirdo!


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 8:11 AM
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NORML? For serious?

Well, I doubt they have a booth set up for it at the meetings, but around here my experience of obtaining connections was to make friends with people who already had connections and then be referred by them. When I was in college the drugs trade had to be dressed up in a thin veneer of social networks as though everyone were already Such Good Friends and the drugs just happened like they were totally unexpected. As it is virtually certain that the ATMer has friends already who smoke and just doesn't know it an alternative would be to wax fondly with some of his closest friends, just in passing, about all the great weed he smoked in college, when times were simpler; what ever happened to those long nights of perceived wisdom, anyway? I would be shocked if it took very many times of mentioning it before some good friend asked if perhaps he'd like to nip back behind the shed for a quick toke, for old times' sake?

NORML is the first place I could think of for a 40-something dad to find new friends who probably have connections. However, I would expect, frankly, that there are a lot of serious heads in NORML who get high enough to get paranoid - which eventually started happening to me and became part of why I quit many, many years ago - and when a 40-something dude comes around talking PTA meetings and by-the-way-do-you-know-any-dealers that he will set off every narc flag they've got, even though that isn't generally how the fuzz operate, or at least didn't when I had a working knowledge of such things. Thus, it may take some time and perhaps baked goods to gain their trust.

As a fun story of people embracing the stereotype, when I was in college my fraternity's rush information booth often wound up next to the NORML recruitment booth in the campus' big common area. I cannot count the number of times the NORML people would ask us to watch their booths "just for a minute" so they could run into the cafeteria for a bite to eat only to never return. More than once we broke down their abandoned card table and took all their stuff home at the end of the day and brought it back to them the next morning. They were absolute dears, however, and I don't think a one of them had a drop of malice in their whole body.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 8:42 AM
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But gods, yes, if it's SF and there are medical marijuana stores, there are easier ways to go about this. I'm giving advice as though being asked around here.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 8:45 AM
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OP, if it happens to be the case that you don't know anybody who smokes pot, or are too shy to approach someone you know, say so here. I can definitely give you the phone number of somebody who could hook you up, as can others here, I'm sure. We just need to find some suitable protocol for exchanging the information.


Posted by: George Washington | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 9:24 AM
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If there were a captcha for detecting police, there could be online directories of dealers.


Posted by: paranoid android | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 10:15 AM
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likelihood of fights (i.e. zero),

Just not true. Ask a Jamaican.


Posted by: dsquared | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 10:37 AM
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72: RACIST!!!1!!!


Posted by: OPINIONATED JAMAICAN | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 10:43 AM
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In my experience, most people who get caught by the police the very first time they have tried pot. Or, at least, that is what they tell the judge.

Also, pot smoking or other drug use is a nice touch in custody cases.

Once they get on the bench, many judges seem to forget that some of their former classmates or partners might know that they have smoked pot.


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 10:59 AM
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Also, as has already been pointed out. Getting stoned doesn't make everyone all mellow, and chilled, and happy.* Particularly if you aren't used to it, are smoking strong 'modern' dope, and, even more particularly, if you haven't sussed out 'dosage control'.

* I used to enjoy it a great deal, but I'd never have used it to relax. It made me giggle, and all the usual stoner stuff, but it also usually left me with very 'busy' thoughts. Getting stoned was always a social thing for me. Doing it alone, or just with a partner wouldn't ever be my 'thing'.


Posted by: George McWashington | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 11:04 AM
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As my son and I concluded, weed makes you even more the way you are than you already were. So if you're a workaholic, you work more, if you're a little paranoid, you get more paranoid, and so on. Presumably if you're violent you get more violent. Or perhaps it leaves you equally violent but makes you cooler and more effective.

Whatever, man.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 11:07 AM
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9: I started smoking pot, and now I am a werewolf.


Posted by: Neil the Ethical Werewolf | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 11:11 AM
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77: I started out smoking pot, and now I'm am a middle-aged corporate suck-ass middle manager. Caveat emptor.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 11:37 AM
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I wonder what the answer to this question will be in a year, here in MA. Were I in the OP's position, I'd have a lot of the same problems, but as of now, a great deal less concern about legal issues.


Posted by: Nathan Williams | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 12:04 PM
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Thoughts on weed:
1. Where to buy
If you know anyone who plays music in public, there is a very good chance that you know someone who gets high. For the small percentage of non-smoking musicians, it is a virtual certainty that they are the close friend of someone who gets high. 2 degrees of separation and there you go. Same goes, in descending order of likelihood for: theater people, humanities profs, writers & journalists, visual artists, anyone without kids and under 30, and people not included in this classification.
2. Pace Dale Pendell, sometimes older people need to learn how to "just say yes". Weed's not going to kill you, if you're not dealing or growing you are almost certainly not going to be holding enough at any one time such that you can not talk your way out of it, and if you've reached your 40s without being addicted to weed, liquor or anything else, it's a very good bet that you don't have an addictive personality. (Out of the hundreds of people I've smoked up with, I've only known two who were legitimately addicted to weed in a psychological sense. And none physically of course. The two weed addicts were both long-term (since jr. high) users who can barely function if they're not high. Doesn't sound like the asker.)
2a. Lots of people with kids smoke up. If yours are now too large to fit in the microwave, you're golden.


Posted by: William Howard Taft | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 12:09 PM
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Pharmaceutical guy here: Do as you please, but Ambien + alcohol is a really bad combination, considering the risk for sleep driving (ask Patrick Kennedy) and the like. Sleep eating is another apparent problem. Pot is probably safer.

Most/all pharma scientists I know will not touch CNS-actives unless absolutely necessary. Phase 3 trials will shake out a lot of stuff, but brain chemistry is just too unique.


Posted by: Timothy Leary | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 12:09 PM
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64: bought it. Took forever to show up.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 12:18 PM
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81: I used to (mid 60s) work with psychoactives (LSD, Mescaline, etc.) and subsequently nutty rats and that delayed any self-experimentation for a few decades.

Ambien is seriously strange stuff. As I (clumsily) tried to illustrate before, it hits me very suddenly. I'm here and then I'm not, and I can't remember anything about that period later on. That's scary.


Posted by: Biohazard | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 12:28 PM
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On smoking while be-kidded, this is worthwhile reading for parents of toddlers. I seldom do it myself, and never if I have to drive mine anywhere, but it has its benefits.

Also, recommended for migraine. Not a pain-killer, for sure, but it can take the edge off.


Posted by: Zachary Taylor | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 12:36 PM
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I completely failed to maintain my regimen after kids, bills etc., and now when I get around to it I find it makes me compulsively clean the house. FWIW: modern pot=way too strong for me. I miss hippie grown in the garden shit. I just want to play some music, not have my face melt off. Could be my liver I guess.


Posted by: Penny | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 12:50 PM
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Theres a place here that throws miracle fruit parties, with a whole room full of stuff to try. I keep finding out about them after they're over though.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 1:22 PM
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Most/all pharma scientists I know will not touch CNS-actives unless absolutely necessary.

Does "CNS-active" have a more restricted technical meaning than it sounds like it should? I would think that perfectly ordinary things like Benadryl are CNS-active.


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Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 2:02 PM
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74 was along the lines I was thinking of. Employment cases too. Tort cases.

Not just judges. Partners in law firms too.

Fact is, in the social set I run in, it'd be the kiss of death. Or of stern disapproving looks. Which some might regard as just as bad.

Different worlds, and there's obviously no need for someone in a different one to care how the rules in mine work . . .


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 2:07 PM
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Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 2:18 PM
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Semi-relevant news story: George Obama, the half brother of U.S. President Barack Obama, has been arrested by Kenyan police on a charge of possession of marijuana, police said Saturday.


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This guy I know says that the first time you try pot it is unlikely you will experience the effects experienced by a regular user. Most likely you will not be alert to the unusual nature of your perception of the world and of your own body. This is normal. It's important to take it easy your first time and not do anything too heavy. Listen to music, watch a favorite show, that sort of thing. First time out you are not ready for the true essential stoner music, like Pink Floyd's The Wall or Beethoven's Ninth. Mozart is OK, as is late Floyd, according to this guy I know.

This guy I know says that a water pipe (bong) is the way to go initially, and a vaporizer once you have things down pat, assuming you aren't cooking. Brownies are the standard pot food, but be aware that cooking with pot generates copious amounts of highly pot-specific odor, and depending on your situation you might be announcing to the whole neighborhood that you are a criminal.

This guy I know suggests that the first time you smoke you place a fragment of bud no larger than a peppercorn in the bowl of your bong and blaze the whole thing in one shot. This is for two reasons - A fully packed bowl will smolder after you take the hit, stinking up the place, and secondly if you cough into the bong you will eject a burning chunk of pot onto your furniture, along with the bong water. Do not cough into the bong, says this guy I know. First time, two peppercorns, three at most, and that's all. It's easy to overdo it if you're a novice.

This guy I know says you can control odor in a number of ways. He recommends a multiprong strategy. Get one of those room air filter dealys. Exhale into a cardboard tube (like paper towels come on) stuffed with dryer sheets. If you get really paranoid it is a tried and true pothead tradition to McGyver things out of common household items - those charcoal filters for gas masks work both ways, for example.

This guy I know has no fucking idea how to go about getting pot when you are a 40 year old guy with no connections or he'd be too baked right now to comment. He wishes you the best of luck.


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This guy I know also suggests that in purchasing a bong a great deal of attention should be paid to stability. A spilled bong is in nobody's interest. Avoid gimmicks and get one with a wide base and a low center of gravity.

Also ask the head shop person to show you how to use it, being sure to refer often to the fact that it will be used to smoke tobacco, says this guy I know.


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85: FWIW: modern pot=way too strong for me. I miss hippie grown in the garden shit.

This was something I noted when I stopped some years back. It had generally been more of an Andrew Weil The Natural Mind type of thing for me (with some important exceptions, but not going to go into those here). Probably classifiable as just another middle/upper middle-class college student boomer affectation.

This is an interesting topic, I imagine I will try to start up again at some point. Not confident it will still "work" based on my last experiences before giving it up. The social aspects of marijuana use are really quite intriguing and irritating per CC's 79 and the rash of presidentiality in this thread. (Employment-associated drug testing is where I have seen the most grief.) Cultures dearly cling to their officially approved drugs and are equally resistant to giving others that status, even in the face of widespread use by some segments of the population. "Hegemonic America" remains an alcohol/caffeine/nicotine culture (the latter slowly being pushed out) with a nod and a wink to prescription painkillers and things like paxil, prozac and xanex. Marijuana has been making a run at it, but in a manner analogous to the non-liberal "liberal" media, it is being held back by 50 million upper middle class, professional boomers and sub-boomers almost every one of whom used it back in the day.

For an interesting and amusing treatment of the social aspects of marijuana use up to the '70s, I recommend Reefer Madness, A History of Marijuana by Larry Sloman.


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CC's 89, not 79 (and will's 74).


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If marijuana was legal, we would be able to get weak varieties as well as strong varieties, for different markets.


Posted by: Es-tonea-pesta | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 4:40 PM
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Loved the stuff, and if it were up to me it wouldn't just be legal, it'd be subsidized. Doesn't change anything about whether it's a good idea today.


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it is being held back by 50 million upper middle class, professional boomers and sub-boomers almost every one of whom used it back in the day.

My Gawd, I even get blamed for the marijuana laws. Blame fucking Carpenter, I would have everybody stoned with dogs & frisbees in the parks forever. Boomer DFH's get blamed for all yuppie sins.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 5:14 PM
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Shorter bob: I am everyboomer!


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 5:19 PM
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Oops.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 5:31 PM
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I don't see why the olympics committee would care about osmeone using performance-detracting drugs.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 5:36 PM
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Um, a painkiller's not performance-detracting...

(I'm not utterly sure on the rules, but alcohol under some circumstances can enhance performance; I see no reason why dope shouldn't.)


Posted by: Keir | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 5:40 PM
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101:Should I look up "Osmeone" at Perseus?


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 5:40 PM
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Damn!! I remembered!

Ismene was whatshernames sister?

Not so old.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 5:41 PM
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93: This guy I used to be suggests getting one's
teenagers out of town (or an AAA card) so they can't call at midnight wanting a ride back from a broken-down car. They didn't catch on but it was iffy for a while and I didn't like the driving at all.

One should also tell one's super-straight-arrow co-author on a paper that's going to be presented that week that one has bubonic plague and can't talk right then when he calls to ask about some issue or another. That's preferable to spending (what seemed like) hours trying to comprehend his questions and his explanations of his questions.


Posted by: Biohazard | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 5:55 PM
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How could paxil and prozac be considered recreational drugs?


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107: Never happens to me. Although sometimes it thinks for no reason my connection's slow and gives me really shitty video.


Posted by: paranoid android | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 6:00 PM
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Back when I used THC, my preferred form was fine fine Moroccan hashish. Rather mellower than weed, and much easier to control dosage.


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109: Was this in France?


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 6:15 PM
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Yes. I haven't heard of hash's being sold much in the US.


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When some of my friends in college decided to smoke pot, they told me not to come by. I'm that square.

After my sister's graduation we spent a night in the house of a friend of hers who had gone to her college. That friend's roommate was a total stoner with a vaporizer. They offered me some which was a weird experience. (I'm sure that weed is fine for a lot of people, but I don't think that my brain chemistry could handle it.)

As an aside, why is the questioner particularly interested in pot? Why not go for legal stuff via a prescription? Xanax, valium, klonopin? I'm told the brand-name klonopin is better than the generic, but I've only ever taken the generic so I can't compare. Ativan's not bad.

If you want something legal and herbal, valerian is very mild in a more settling than chamomile sort of way but still quite weak. Kava kava is pretty damn powerful stuff -- it's an anti-anxiety drug and a muscle relaxant. It can be tough on the liver, so you're not supposed to use it for more than 2 weeks straight.
So, I was 28 before I was around anyone smoking pot, though I'm sure that I was at parties where somebody was, but I wasn't sitting right in front of anyone. There's some event on the Common every year put on by some pro legalization group which makes the whole park smell.


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I accidentally smuggled some Moroccan hash through 10 countries once. As a general safety time, its always important to remember where you put your stash.


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I don't pretend to know what's advisable, but I thought I'd report on my experience. I grew up with my father smoking pot around me, and I was aware that he used various psychedelic drugs as well, but that he didn't do around me. I was offered pot at I don't remember what age, but pretty young, and always declined, saying that I was just a kid, too young, until finally my senior year of high school I took it to relieve a medical symptom (for which it worked great). The only negative consequence he ever suffered was that I ruined a connection for him once when I was in high school; I was excited about being in on something, so I answered the phone and I let the connection know I knew who and what she was, which spooked her. I have no complaints about any of this, except for the fact that my father was an asshole about me ruining his connection. I now smoke pot perhaps twice a year, exclusively in the company of my family, since they're the only people I know who make a habit of it, and also because I don't really enjoy it much, but I do find it effective in alleviating boredom and annoyance, something I tend to experience around my family. Maybe providing a model for drug use would have been ill-advised with a less temperamentally conservative child, which I was, but on the other hand I think you might, given a reasonably stable home environment, see elevated conservativism in children in response to libertinism in parents. On another hand, I did turn very unconservative when I grew up, but on some other extremity, only in basically private ways that didn't prevent me from coloring in between the important lines to respect in the pursuit of professional status, etc., and not in the drug-taking realm either. That may have something to do with not knowing drug-takers, too. I even feel interested in trying some harder drugs at the moment, but I have no peer group! I remember my father telling me to make sure I never mentioned his drug use to anyone else, and explaining to me the possible consequences. I didn't find the secret difficult or stressful to keep. Just one commenter's report!


Posted by: cynique | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 7:25 PM
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87: I was thinking of the newer drugs that modulate brain chemistry: Ambien, Chan/tix, any anti-obesity drug that modulates appetite (like rimo/nabant.) So, yeah, technical definition.

For what it's worth, I don't believe Benadryl is CNS-active. It appears that the H1 histamine receptors are all over the body in smooth muscle. I'm willing to be corrected by the biologists.


Posted by: Timothy Leary | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 7:32 PM
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112: Ativan's not bad

It's not pot though, at least for me the effects are very different.. And depending on your brain chemistry, it can be nasty to get off it. Caveat Ingestor or whatever the proper phrase should be.


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111: My brother used to give it to me in hs, but hs was 20 years ago for me, and he ran in rarefied circles.


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116: Yeah different people react to benzos differently. I never really liked ativan, but there was a time when my school insurance wouldn't cover klonopin (even though it was generic--some kind of weird monopolization by the generic manufacturer drove the price up for a while)


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116: Ativan is fucking scary. It has a paradoxical side-effect in that it can make the elderly belligerent. My poor old father, quite literally the kindest, mellowest person I have ever known, was given it once and became FILLED WITH RAGE. It was really fucking weird.


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You know, I think I might just go take some klonopin right now. (Actually, I've never abused it, though it is rather nice. On the other hand Zyprexa, which my doctor tried to give me for the same symptoms, kind of sucked.)


Posted by: paranoid android | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 7:55 PM
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I just tried to go see Slumdog Millionaire, but the movie was sold out. I'm blaming the boomers in general, and bob in particular.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 7:58 PM
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If you have to take Zyprexa regularly, it will make you fat. Plus, you know, you're likely to get diabetes.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 7:59 PM
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I drink enough cokes to ensure eventual diabetes.


Posted by: paranoid android | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 8:01 PM
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My boyfriend wanted to see Slumdog Millionaires. I said that there was a scene involving torture, so I thought I might not want to go, and he said "So?"

Anybody who's sensitive to violence who actually liked it.

A friend of mine saw it and felt uplifted, but his partner had to leave after some of the scenes. Apparently she'd already seen the worst bits.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 8:05 PM
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I'm stuck here analyzing data and making figures on a Saturday night. I blame the boomers in general, and bob in particular for my tendency to procrastinate.


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 8:08 PM
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I think that hashish has been made obsolete by high-strength weed which is more or less equally strong.

It seems to me that slow food and organic types ought to prefer hash, though, since high quality weed is unnatural and has been weirdly forced.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 8:13 PM
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BG, I can't tell if 124 is a question, but if so, we discussed Slumdog Millionaire's violence here.


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 8:45 PM
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High quality weed that's grown outdoors is nice. The shit they grow indoors these days is so strong, it feels like you are taking drugs.


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119: it can make the elderly belligerent.

Lunesta does that to me. I totally lost it over nothing in front of a house guest after a couple of nights on it. I've never done that with no warning escalations. It scared all of us, probably me worst of all.

From what I can tell from my "What the fuck just happened here?!" reading the "benzos" and the "pams" work on much the same pathways, if your brain can't handle one it pays to be very careful with the others.


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Slumdog was very good.


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 8:58 PM
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106: How could paxil and prozac be considered recreational drugs?

Was not saying they were *recreational* drugs (just as nicotine and caffeine aren't), rather that they are "OK" to be on, and not raise eyebrows in the bourgeoisie, unlike pot smoking.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 8:59 PM
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"pams" s/b "Z drugs"


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Thanks Witt. I saw that. I just haven't decided whether I can handle it, and I find it odd that the BF can't comprehend that I might be disturbed enough to want to avoid it.


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Biohazard-- Trazadone did nothing for you? Have you had a sleep study done?


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131: And I guess the reason you mention them among all prescription drugs, is that they're psychoactives, and some of the most widely prescribed ones at that.


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For what it's worth, I don't believe Benadryl is CNS-active. It appears that the H1 histamine receptors are all over the body in smooth muscle. I'm willing to be corrected by the biologists.

I'm no biologist, but my understanding was that's its primary effect, but that most of the side effects come about because it easily crosses the blood-brain barrier and mucks around with other sorts of receptors also. At least for me, it has noticeable mood- and personality-altering effects.


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I forgot all about hashish. For some reason, it was easier to come by than anything else in my Canadian high school. It was lovely, and easy to control dosage. Now I'm getting all nostalgic.


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Be careful if there's kids in the house. Might want to be familiar with your state and local laws. For instance, in Utah there's a couple that could really get you in a bad place. CA might have something similar.

http://www.livepublish.le.state.ut.us/lpBin22/lpext.dll/InfobaseUtahCode/title19626.htm/chapter19733.htm/section19757.htm

and number 3 of this one

http://www.livepublish.le.state.ut.us/lpBin22/lpext.dll/InfobaseUtahCode/title12636.htm/chapter12971.htm/section12976.htm


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 10:03 PM
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50 million upper middle class, professional boomers and sub-boomers

I doubt, bob, you were meant to be included in this number. Authorship of 97 being a little obscure, you may go ahead and blame me . . .


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134: Haven't had a sleep study or Trazadone. The Ativan, Ambien, and Lunesta were Rxed to "take the edge off" the twitchiness resulting from that little stroke I had 1.5 years ago. I was more than a bit nervous for a while after that.

Anyway, even had I done the research about side-effects, addictions, and withdrawal, I would have taken the stuff anyway 'cause previously I've never reacted badly to anything. That's not so for most of the crap they wanted me on "to reduce the risk factors" too. I've tossed most of those, dying a little sooner is far preferable to feeling lousy all the time that's left.


Posted by: Biohazard | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 10:13 PM
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This thread yesterday got under my skin.

I don't understand hating people for the year they were born, but apparently there are millions of kids young adults out there who just loathe Boomers on principle. I can't remember encountering incomprehensible prejudice directed at me until I hit the blogs.

So 94 just hit a button. But my comments were all mostly joking, badly.

139:I was just joking about all-the-way-up-there 31, 37, 38. I may be all-too-sober, but remain unreformed. Everybody must get stoned.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 10:57 PM
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This movie

sadly, just kinda sucked. The actress playing the older daughter was excellent, too-serious and responsible as a way of handling fear and supporting Dad. Probably cast to the part though. Reminded me of Hope Davis, who has played too many smart-aleck sticks.

Just didn't work. Too bad, I liked Lonesome Jim.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 01-31-09 11:08 PM
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It seems to me that slow food and organic types ought to prefer hash

I'm not aware if hand roll hash (the stuff you get from rubbing your hands together when you harvest moist bud) has artisanal cachet, but it ought to.


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First, I'm totally making fun of everybody who went presidential in this thread. It's weed, people. It's freakin' legal in freakin' Massachusetts, soon enough.

Second, it's a lot safer than the majority of prescription drugs mentioned herein.

Third, you can certainly find hash in this country, but I argue with the contention that modern strains of weed are somehow unnatural. Are cabernet grapes unnatural? Uh, huh, that's right, bring it.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02- 1-09 1:10 AM
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my dad's hand roll hash is the shit. I've never understood why hash wasn't widely sold in the states. surely, being relatively compact, it's easier to transport around than bud? oh well, it's something for US stoners to get excited about.


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145: That's the reason it's the predominant form in Europe. But in the US, with its long open borders north and south, its interstate highways, and its lack of interior borders, I think it was just easier to transport the weed around than set up hash-making facilities.


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I won't say unnatural Sifu, just a reminder that I've let my priorities slip and I can't keep up anymore. I'm now one of those people who says "I have to go to bed." Fuck.


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Count on Sifu to stick up for high-tech agribusiness.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 02- 1-09 6:35 AM
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I'm going to Amsterdam in April, but probably won't take advantage because we're bringing the 2 and 4 year old. I feel like it's one thing to get stoned with kids in your own house (not that I've done that either), another when you're in a foreign country.


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On the Boomer question, to me the accessibility of education and two-tier hiring are more significant things to grumble about than social security. Proposition 13 in CA also works against younger generations.

Like Bob, I'm not too inclined to take the blame for anything, since pretty much every political movement I've ever supported has failed.


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144: Are cabernet grapes unnatural?

Shockingly, your analogy sucks ass in the context of the discussion. Hint: Alcohol content of wines made from cabernet grapes compared to those that came before it.

And no bob, I did not presume that you were among my 50 million. Unlike me, for instance.

Second, it's a lot safer than the majority of prescription drugs mentioned herein*.

Certainly agree, but that is not really the question for its becoming a true "mainstream" drug. It's absolutely more about how its effects differ from alcohol (when not used to simply "get fucked up"). Maybe it gets legalized in most countries, yet remains a niche drug primarily used by younger folks. I think the "subversive" aspect that is resisted is that it potentially throws a curveball into the caffeine/nicotine**/alcohol cycle which worked well for so many white-collar jobs. Caffeine in the AM to get going for the pig-fucking, nicotine to relax between individual bouts of fucking pigs, and then booze to repress the memories and get a good night's sleep.

*The solubility in fat of THC is probably its most negative feature.
**Pot is a bit too psychoactive for most people (and not necessarily relaxing) to simply replace nicotine here***.
***And of course most folks already forgo nicotine with no substitute (other than chocolate maybe?).


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The man with the hopelessly boomer mentality in 151 was moi. And I am *so* going to squander everyone's social security taxes blowing mountains of kush.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02- 1-09 7:16 AM
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It's freakin' legal in freakin' Massachusetts, soon enough four weeks ago.


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140: That's funny that thery gave you Lunesta and Ambien first, since Trazadone is a generic and is one of the most widely prescribed drugs for insomnia.

Consider getting the sleep study. You might have weird breathing issues or restless leg syndrome in which case your sleep quality would be poor even on those drugs.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 02- 1-09 7:53 AM
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Someone just beat Federer. Get excited, people who care!


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 02- 1-09 8:16 AM
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Smoked hash makes cola taste wonderful. Better living through chemistry when life is hard is in IME a mistake.

Naturally happy, or a little bored + a drink or a smoke is great, while "I just want to take the edge off" really is how a road to ruin begins for many people. Individual variation, YMMV, bla bla, but one more voice for trying the gym instead of a bong if life is hard.


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Seconding or thirding the warning to check local laws re: children. It's the sort of thing that isn't likely to be a problem in terms of actual safety or child care but might be a problem in terms of public perception.

Drug laws are not based on common sense so they're unlikely to be an area in which common sense is a good guide.


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155: Yes, great match, but since it was against Nadal, not that much of a surprise. Five sets, but Federer really folded in the 5th. Another turn of the wheel in Nadal's emerging dominance, he is #1 and deservedly so now that he has broken through on grass and hard court majors.


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Second, it's a lot safer than the majority of prescription drugs mentioned herein.

Recreational use of which fares no better in certain social and legal circles.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 02- 1-09 10:31 AM
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I here that a big doping scandal is about to break in tennis, with Federer and Nadal among the prime suspects.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 02- 1-09 10:45 AM
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Which is probably why Federer threw the match.


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160: however, if you have prescription drugs in the house it is a lot easier to make a case that you were not using them recreationally.


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163: See Rehnquist and Placidyl, 1972 - 1981. He often consumed three month's worth of the drug in one month before requesting more from Dr. Freeman H. Cary, the attending physician to Congress, who prescribed it.



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I absolutely believe that the ready availability of prescription mood enhancers (uppers and anti-depressants) has led to systematic tendencies toward bad judgment in the higher levels of society, specifically in the direction of megalomania and overoptimism. It's presumably worse if you have a number of tweakers on the same team.

Legal drug abuse by the respectable and powerful isn't something people worry much about, but they should.

Somebody besides me obviously has to say this before anyone will believe it, of course.


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164:

it is interesting how powerful people who abuse drugs are often the harshest critics when others abuse drugs. See McCain, Rush, and our lovely former Chief Justice.


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165: Like the history of the world has shown so much better judgment in the past on the part of higher levels of society, right? I'd rather blame the self-intoxicating effects of being in the higher levels of society.


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I suspect that part of what fed the idiocy of Big Shitpile is the use of drugs by Wall Street high finance people, both recreationaly and for performance enhancement.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 02- 1-09 12:00 PM
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82- I'll hook you up once my crop gets going this summer.
I wasn't on any drugs last night, but I had this weird dream that it was December 2009 and someone mentioned that Josh Marshall had died in April. Must stop spending so much time on internets. (That wasn't the whole dream, there was a bunch of other stuff about then-current events.)


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 02- 1-09 12:22 PM
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Stupid Superbowl.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 02- 1-09 1:28 PM
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When is stupid halftime?


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 02- 1-09 3:09 PM
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The game hasn't started, John.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 02- 1-09 3:36 PM
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Fuck.

Where is everyone?


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 02- 1-09 3:38 PM
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I was at hockey practice, and then the barbershop. The rest of them are apparently busy choosing which compounds to ingest.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 02- 1-09 3:41 PM
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choosing which compounds to ingest

Ibogaine, wormwood, and mango-lime salsa!


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 02- 1-09 3:46 PM
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Getting caned somewhere?

I smuggled a few tabs into Turkey once. I was a bit worried about what would happen if I got caught, but figured that a small flat piece of paper in my wallet was fairly safe from detection. It was a fucking great trip.


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 02- 1-09 3:49 PM
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I was out enjoying the burst of warmish weather.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 02- 1-09 3:49 PM
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What I have actually been doing today was buying a new car. Well, van. (Not that precise one.) Haven't owned a manual for a few years, but managed to remember to change gears.


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173: Sally had a matinee performance of her school play.

I've always been kind of embarrassed about potsmoking -- I've smoked pot socially more than a couple of times, maybe around twenty or so lifetime, but have never gotten high enough to be sure that it's had any effect at all. This seems vaguely lame; not getting high the first one or two times is conventional, but at this point I figure I'm just ineradicably uptight.


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I hope that's sufficiently vague as to not constitute a w-lfs-n indiscretion error. If not, please to redact.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 02- 1-09 4:08 PM
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One Edwin Emerson (my father's name) was a Nazi agent in WWII. He was NYC high society and a friend of Teddy Roosevelt via the Spanish American War.

Just building the pedigree. Maybe my son can get into the American Sons of Hitler society.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 02- 1-09 4:10 PM
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I'm just ineradicably uptight

Maybe you're not inhaling properly?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 02- 1-09 4:10 PM
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There are CC classes, LB. They could save your life sometime.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 02- 1-09 4:12 PM
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Not that I know of Josh. Hope they're coming out of it well though!


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183: Possible -- I've certainly had comedy coughing fits -- but I don't think so. I've remained unstoned after eating brownies that seemed to work fine for the other people I was with.


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I have a friend who is apparently immune to Ecstasy. What a waste! Very sad.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 02- 1-09 4:35 PM
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186: Maybe you're always already stoned.


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1) Did they just admit that Hines Ward was blood packing? Isn't that illegal?
2) Isn't that TD the very definition of a helping penalty? The lineman pulled his own QB into the end zone.
3) Is anyone here watching?


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186: Perhaps you're genetically immune. Lizard in more ways than breath?


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189: Half-watching with the sound turned off, leaving me rather puzzled about how there was a touchdown which subsequently disappeared and why they chose to kick a field goal instead of trying for a touchdown again.


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Man that Pepsi commercial was ... something. Poor Bob Dylan.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 02- 1-09 4:48 PM
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I'm gonna get my annual dose of advertising dementia this year. The game means nothing much.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 02- 1-09 4:49 PM
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Superbowl thread's thataway, John.


Posted by: paranoid android | Link to this comment | 02- 1-09 4:49 PM
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I found a 98 cabernet franc hiding in the back, so I'll drink that. Past its prime, but with dinner and plenty of air, it ought to be ok.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 02- 1-09 5:00 PM
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Scoooooby doobie do!


Posted by: paranoid android | Link to this comment | 02- 1-09 10:46 PM
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I don't think it's been stated clearly enough that marijuana is very legal where you live.

There are doctors whose practice consists exclusively of prescribing pot. Make an appointment with such a doctor. If you tell him the same story in your original post, he should prescribe you medication for your anxiety. It will probably cost you $100.

Then take your prescription to a cannabis dispensary. I happen to know and like one of the people affiliated with this Bay Area group, although he's now in Los Angeles and they're not in San Francisco. Some of them require you to become a member, I think. They will fill your prescription for a fair price.

As a medical patient you have certain rights and responsibilities, including the right to smoke your medicine in some but not all public places. You should familiarize yourself with your county's laws.

Of course, you may find that you don't like pot very much, so if you're comfortable asking around your peer group to find out who's holding, that may be the more economical strategy. But if prudence if vital, get the script, get the pot, and experiment to find out what you like. (The dispensaries are also very good about providing pot-infused foodstuffs.)

Also, FFS, is there no SF Mineshafter who can smoke this person up?


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Also, FFS, is there no SF Mineshafter who can smoke this person up?

I figured those folks viewed this inquiry as possibly the lamest sting in the history of stings (and perhaps rightly so, considering the absurdity of drug laws). And in the absence of sting-ness, I suspect it'll work itself out. It's not hard to find pot. It's hard for some people to talk about it on the internet.


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I have a friend who is apparently immune to Ecstasy. What a waste! Very sad.

OTOH, I had a friend who was killed by it. What a waste! Very sad.


Posted by: OneFatEnglishman | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 1:19 AM
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Have to work at it to get that to happen; how'd he die?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 1:21 AM
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She. Don't know the details, nor did the coroner; probably the effects of the drug, plus common side issues like severe dehydration impacted an unknown prior condition. She went out partying, then in the morning she went home to bed and never woke up. All she'd had was booze and Es, and she wasn't so drunk she couldn't get in a taxi.


Posted by: OneFatEnglishman | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 2:20 AM
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my dad's hand roll hash is the shit.

Ah, who could forget that classic Norman Rockwell painting, "My Father's Handroll Hash"?

I've never understood why hash wasn't widely sold in the states. surely, being relatively compact, it's easier to transport around than bud?

Hashish is only economical where cannabis is SUPER abundant and labor is essentially costless. The extraction quota from slapping buds against burlap sacks is understandably low, so the process ends up wasting most of the psychoactive potential of each plant.

I'll go out on a limb and say that hash is an inferior substitute for grass, like taking shots of Jose Cuervo instead of sipping a fine wine.


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I'll go out on a limb and say that hash is an inferior substitute for grass, like taking shots of Jose Cuervo instead of sipping a fine wine.

Totally disagree. Different products. Different experience.

Given a choice between hash and some stupidly mong-tastic modern grass, I'd take hash, any time.


Posted by: George O'Washington | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 2:58 AM
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Where do ATM questions come from, anyway? Lurkers? (Hi!) Regulars who want front-page exposure to their questions? Or, the most interesting and curious-making possibility, are there people out there who go looking for advice and find Unfogged through googling or a tip from a friend or something and reason that, hey, this looks like a good place for a white/pink/green-collar person to get advice about a weird issue?

Maybe I'm wrong, but I assume at least a few questions come from the third group, which like I said, I'm the most curious about. How effective have they found it, what did they expect, have any stayed around...


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 7:53 AM
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Ah, who could forget that classic Norman Rockwell painting, "My Father's Handroll Hash"?

One of the calendar companies that most used Rockwell pictures (Brown & Bigelow) was run by an ex-convict who hired dozens of ex-convicts for his company. They also did the "Dogs playing poker" calendars and the corny old gas station cheesecake calendar. The guy was also a major supporter of left wing causes and was thinking of supporting a primaru challenge against Roosevelt.

Google says that ecstacy raises your body temperature and leas to dehydration, but without making you thirsty. Worse, apparently it also keeps you from knowing when you've had too much water, so if you force water you can harm yourself that way too. And Google never lies.

Back in the day hashish just seems like a much mellower smoke, less harsh, but this was in the prehistoric era.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 8:11 AM
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This link says that drinking gatorade with ecstasy is safe, though most ecstatics don't like the taste.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 8:14 AM
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Back in the day, of course, hash was pretty much all you could get over here (Lebanese - top quality, Turkish - uneven, could be good, Moroccan - mellow but not much hit, Afghan - strong and cut with a lot of opium, Pakistani - low grade Afghan). Then they started selling this high THC grass instead and I lost interest. No class at all.

Of course I can afford better wine now than back in the day.


Posted by: OneFatEnglishman | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 8:18 AM
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Where is everyone?

We were playing D&D, though we got home in time to watch the last - and reportedly best - three minutes of the game.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 8:20 AM
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I don't think the third group really exists; how would they know to write for advice? There are also questions that lurkers send in on behalf of friends of theirs -- the questioner never heard of Unfogged, but they have a friend who reads it.


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209 to 204.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 8:23 AM
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Back in the day, of course, hash was pretty much all you could get over here (Lebanese - top quality, Turkish - uneven, could be good, Moroccan - mellow but not much hit, Afghan - strong and cut with a lot of opium, Pakistani - low grade Afghan). Then they started selling this high THC grass instead and I lost interest. No class at all.

Quite. Mellow is good. High-THC wasted-ness, is not.


Posted by: George O' Washington | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 8:33 AM
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207/211: This is crazy talk. Y'all should just go ahead and acknowledge that you're lightweights.


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re: 212

Nah. I'd happily out-drink anyone. But I'd still choose something nice to drink over Everclear. Ditto some mid-level-THC hash over high-THC grass.


Posted by: George O'Washington | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 8:46 AM
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213: Agree. The fetishization of drug potency is one of the effed up features of Drugs in contemporary American society.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 8:53 AM
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Agree. 96 to 214


Posted by: Es-tonea-pesta | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 8:58 AM
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re: 213

Exactly. And parts of not-American-society, too, I think.


Posted by: George O'Washington | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 9:01 AM
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But I'd still choose something nice to drink over Everclear.

However, drinking Everclear is an actively unpleasant experience. The actual activity of smoking doesn't get less pleasant as the THC levels climb.


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216: George O'Washington

What are you, Irish now?


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Au contraire. The side-effects of really high-THC grass are pretty fucking unpleasant if you aren't used to it.


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re: 218

Random, more than anything else.

I may try George von Graf Washington, next.


Posted by: George O'Washington | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 9:07 AM
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By and large people don't straight shots of Everclear, I would guess.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 9:08 AM
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I, too, have "a good friend" who prefers a mellow high. Although, that doesn't make the modern stronger varieties inferior--it just means he prefers to stop after two or three hits. That produces a high comparable to a smoking a whole joint (or more) of the milder stuff.

My friend also generally prefers drinking a few beers (roughly six or less, depending on strength) to drinking, say, 12 or more at a time. Is that equally as incomprehensible to you, Apo?


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 9:14 AM
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That was my point. The *smoking itself* isn't less pleasant, as it would be going from sips of wine to shots of grain alcohol or inhaling cigarettes to inhaling cigars (this, of course, is why analogies are banned). You just aren't used to the drug effect at that level.

I, on the other hand, am striving for maximum efficiency, see. Because I'm a feminist.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 9:17 AM
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it just means he prefers to stop after two or three hits

Me too.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 9:18 AM
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220: George Barbara Lewis Hare Krishna Beauregard Washington


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224: I guess I misread your earlier comments. I thought you scoffing at the idea that anyone might prefer to be something less than mind-blowingly high.


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226: My initial comment was intended to be glib and flip. But the conversation that followed does sound like one between beer and scotch drinkers. "No way, jack. Scotch just gets you too damn drunk."


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Well, personally, there are definitely times when I'd choose not to drink spirits. Times when I want to linger over drinks with friends and where beer or wine, just by virtue of spacing out the alcohol intake differently, are more what you'd want in that context.


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Once you're a beer drinker you lose the habit of sipping. Switching to mixed drinks, especially if they're sweet and strong, can lead to problems. Even switching to 5% to 10% can make you lose track. I've had problems with strong cider, which tastes almost like fruit juice.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 9:58 AM
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By and large people don't straight shots of Everclear, I would guess.

I'm not sure about that, really. By and large people don't drink Everclear at all. Of those that do, straight is probably less uncommon than you might think.

I can remember many a night in a previous life when the shine came out at 2 or 3 am, when everyone was already good and drunk. It would go 'round drank straight from the bottle, and pretty much finish us all off. Many vague memories of stumbling round a field with another, propping each other up and finishing off a bottle off the stuff, trying not to trip over motorcycles and tents as the sun came up. Good times.


Posted by: John F. Kennedy | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 10:03 AM
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I have a good friend who hasn't smoked anything since mid-summer.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 10:31 AM
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Or so the doulas would have you believe.


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214: See also brewing India Pale Ales on the basis of "while bitter==True; bitter = bitter+1", building suburban houses the size of blocks, cars based on truck chassis, cheeseburgers with extra cheese and extra burgers, foreign policy initiatives with extra Melian dialogue on top...yes, I think I see a pattern.

PS, don't come round here buying drugs, or else you'll probably get ripped off...and Dsquared will probably show up just as you open your little £30 bag of shredded cabbage.


Posted by: Alex | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 10:44 AM
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Dsquared will probably show up just as you open your little £30 bag of shredded cabbage.

I thought financial industry types all had inhouse dealers who delivered to their desks. Is it different in the UK?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 10:52 AM
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cheeseburgers with extra cheese and extra burgers

Mmmm, cheesecheeseburgerburgers.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 10:59 AM
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Does everybody up north constantly have scabs up their nose all winter long from being dried out by the heaters? Maybe it's just a a by-product of my fragile condition, but sheesh. This winter. My nose.

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Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 11:06 AM
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236: Heebie-geebie, do you know of this product?

It works wonders for me when I have to be in a high-altitude, high-heat place and I imagine it would also be useful for heaters. A little gross to apply, but really, it works wonders.


Posted by: DL | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 11:16 AM
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It's totally pregnancy -- are your gums bleeding, too? I don't remember the mechanism, but it's at least partially about the increased blood volume.

The thing to hold on to at this stage of pregnancy is that the day you give birth, you are instantly not-pregnant again, and it is fan-fucking-tastic. I have the most vivid memory of the day after Sally was born, standing on one foot in the shower while I washed the other one, and being totally blown away by the fact that I could balance on one foot again.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 11:18 AM
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Huh, I've just been sticking a wad of Vaseline up there, which definitely helps. But that looks like a nicer application.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 11:18 AM
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Also, neti pot neti pot neti pot. I've been using mine all winter, and it's great. Your nose might still bleed a little, but it won't be stuffy.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 11:18 AM
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are your gums bleeding, too?

Yes, a bunch. I switched to a super-soft toothbrush even. Ten weeks left!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 11:20 AM
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Actually, I'm not that stuffed up. I sneeze, but mostly just scabs come out. I'm sharing this to gross everyone out, by the way, because other than this pregnancy is really glamorous and flatulence-free.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 11:21 AM
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239: That, and it's significantly more .... watery, if that makes sense ... then Vaseline. It's like having an actual healthy layer of nose mucous rather than petroleum jelly up there. They also makes swabs and sprays if you're squeamish.


Posted by: DL | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 11:21 AM
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Actually, I'm not that stuffed up. I sneeze, but mostly just scabs come out.

This is exactly what happens to me on the desert (and really, on a far too regular basis otherwise- I'm not constantly pregnant, I just have high blood flow in my nose or something). It's obnoxious and I find that it hurts. Plus, it leads to the occasional truly momentous 2 hour nose bleed. Thus, I swear by the Ayr stuff.


Posted by: DL | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 11:24 AM
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I will take your recommendation to heart and nose.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 11:29 AM
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245: Will you post video of your neti pot usage? Just checking.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 11:30 AM
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I could post a video of me buying and applying the Ayr stuff, but it doesn't seem that interesting.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 11:32 AM
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That never stopped you before!


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 11:35 AM
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"Oh look, my name's M/tch, I don't even have a blog, and also my butt stinks." That's what you say.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 11:37 AM
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238: It's been nearly 10 years since Rory was born, and I *still* can't stand on one foot!

More seriously -- are your really suggesting that one's body returns to normal the day after delivery?! Don't believe it heebie!


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 11:39 AM
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249: Uncanny!


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 11:39 AM
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250: Oh, not back to pre-pregnancy normal, but there's an instant change to not-pregnant, which made me very happy. Being able to roll over in bed without using my arms to haul myself around, and so on.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 11:40 AM
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Thanks for all the advice. I am going to try to buy pot on haight street and test it out. The prescription thing seems like a good idea if it turns out I and my wife like it. Thanks for the dosage and delivery advice as well.


Posted by: Doobie newbie | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 11:41 AM
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Hey, Doobie, any answers for the questions in 204? Lurker, or someone who doesn't read the site but got somehow directed here as a good source of advice? (And if the latter, dear God, who directed you here of all places?) I figure if you're a regular, you'd rather not invite the inevitable guessing game if you admit it.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 11:49 AM
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I am a regular.


Posted by: Doobie newbie | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 12:12 PM
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See, I knew ogged couldn't stay away forever.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 12:13 PM
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Sifu's just too ashamed to admit that he's never actually smoked pot.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 12:16 PM
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I comment a moderate amount. I just wanted to get as much advice on this issue as I could.


Posted by: Doobie newbie | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 12:19 PM
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I comment a moderate amount.

See, that's how it starts. Soon you're commenting every day, and then you think "hey, maybe I should set up my own blog...".


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 12:20 PM
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It's when you need to comment just a little to get the day started that you have to worry.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 12:25 PM
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That's not funny.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 12:35 PM
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If you require a comment before morning coffee/stimulant of choice ... seek help.


Above is slightly funnier here, where it should have been posted in the first place.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 12:39 PM
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very, very slightly.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 12:40 PM
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Some prefer the moderate-strength commenting of LGM to the off-your-rocker super-strength Unfogged commenting, but I don't understand that sentiment.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 12:54 PM
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The fetishization of commenting frequency at places like Unfogged is one of the effed up features of the contemporary blogosphere.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 1:06 PM
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I haven't used Unfogged since mid-summer. As far as my doctor knows.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 1:11 PM
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I can stop anytime I want to.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 1:17 PM
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(chokes on own vomit)


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 1:18 PM
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Just don't choke on anyone else's vomit, Ned.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 1:29 PM
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One of the first warning signs of Unfogged comment abuse is nearly identical repetitve comments.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 1:35 PM
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If you leave a lot of comments that say nearly the same thing seek help immediately.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 1:35 PM
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Aunite Em! Auntie Em!


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 1:36 PM
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270, 271: Self-pwnage is a serious condition.


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273: The hairy palms thing is a canard, but it can actually cause blindness.


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274: Especially if it lasts more than 4 hours. At least that's what I heard from the Cialis people on the TV.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 1:46 PM
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what I heard from the Cialis people on the TV.

What I want to know is why the old guy is in a bathtub. And what kind of idiot puts two bathtubs outside?


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 1:58 PM
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When one starts smoking pot, one must be careful not to be fooled by its obvious innocuousness into imagining that other illegal drugs are equally pleasant and harmless. Cocaine, for example, is horrible.


Posted by: W. Kiernan | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 3:21 PM
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If one were to come into possession of some leftover oxycodone and fentanyl, is there any good reason not to just dispose of the stuff?


Posted by: George Washington Limbaugh | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 5:55 PM
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Inhaling tobacco smoke, seems, by common agreement amongst most well-informed intelligent
folks (like those contributors to "Unfogged"?), to be very harmful to the lungs.

Am I the only one who thinks it might be a bit dumb to do the same with the smoke produced by burning another weed?


Posted by: Herr Torquewrench | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 11:13 PM
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279: could be!

You also might be the only one who doesn't know what a vaporizer is, or does.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 11:19 PM
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Herr Torquewrench you have clearly missed th discussion of the hands-free vapouriser. Destroys the neurons but leaves most nearby buildings standing.


Posted by: Nworb Werdna | Link to this comment | 02- 2-09 11:32 PM
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280: I would also think the write-up of that research would also mention that a 2-pack-a-dayer would smoke an order of magnitude more cigarettes than the top marijuana users they surveyed.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02- 3-09 6:08 AM
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I have a friend who's been a daily smoker for nearly 50 years. He has a moderate emphysema-type condition. His doctor suggested that he clean his pipe more regurlarly.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 02- 3-09 11:08 AM
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283: pot smoker.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 02- 3-09 11:25 AM
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