...Totally keeping that one to belabor privatize-everything jerks with.
Good heavens, the degree of premeditation...
Holy shit. Would it be wrong to hope that at least on "victim notification" when these clowns are released goes to someone who developed a serious mean streak while incarcerated?
And it raised concerns about whether juveniles should be required to have counsel either before or during their appearances in court and whether juvenile courts should be open to the public or child advocates.
But not, evidently, about the advisability of running jails for profit.
But not, evidently, about the advisability of running jails for profit.
Well, it's still America.
I should read that blog, I guess.
It's gone downhill since all the rifraf showed up.
One of many reminders that, not matter how much it seems that way, I don't actually live in the most corrupt part of PA.
I really hope that they are not entitled to immunity from civil suits or in a legal defense paid for by the state.
I've been crazy busy at work today, and the last comment I'd read on that thread was LB's comment three up from your link to that story.
11: They probably are covered. PA officials are remarkably unable to police their own ranks. A former State Sen. just testified that he got a $1 million dollar gift from a 'friend'. He's not on trial for the gift (or for not reporting the gift), but for, among other things, using state funds to buy laptops for his daughter and butler.
I don't think they get butlers, but some of them get big enough gifts to hire them. The $ is in the first link, the butler in the 2nd.
http://www.postgazette.com/pg/09044/948902-454.stm
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09042/948277-454.stm
PA Senators get butlers? Wow.
Well, butt-something, at least.
Which isn't to say that locking up kids for kickbacks isn't much, much worse. Just that the sense of entitlement is stunning.
Pwned. I should read that blog, I guess.
Eh. That blog's been going downhill since ogged left ogged came back BPhD came back BPhD left Labs showed his colon.
Labs' colon was definitely a high point.
From the link in 15:
The pair also owned a plane together. In another e-mail exhibit, Mr. Fumo once wrote Mr. Marcus to beseech him to OK the use of the plane even though the two of them were trying to economize at the time."Remember your words," Mr. Fumo wrote Mr. Marcus, 'No one that I love is going to fly commercial.' "
'No one that I love is going to fly commercial' is totally going in my pre-nup.
Nevertheless, I hope they're both waking up at night in cold sweats.
I would've hoped they would be sentenced to and equivalent amount of time as each and every improperly sentenced juvenile received.
They say that there were 5000 juveniles sentenced, and that the state rate was 1 in 10 and his rate of sentencing was 1 in 4 so (5000* .25) - (5000 * .1) = gives me 750 improperly sentenced juveniles. Assuming an average sentence of 30 days each (I'm going under, since I would actually guess the average sentence is closer to 90 days), that's 750 * 30 = 22500 days or 61 and a half years.
That seems fair. They could serve it in the equivalent of a juvie facility.
max
['87 months seems a bit light.']
The difficulty is that judges often have a tremendous amount of discretion so each individual suit might be difficult. But, each case would have to be lots of fun for the plaintiffs to have in front of a jury.
But not, evidently, about the advisability of running jails for profit.
Private for-profit jails are a monumentally shitty idea in a system made up of shitty ideas.
11: God, one would have to hope that civil immunity can't extend to criminal conduct -- like you can't get insurance to cover your intentional conduct.
19: Let's not neglect apo's nipple, though.
24: I don't know about that, but I bet they get their state pension without a hitch.
God, one would have to hope that civil immunity can't extend to criminal conduct -- like you can't get insurance to cover your intentional conduct.
How does one prove that any one case was outside his duties? On any given case, it seems that he had the discretion to send them to detention.
26:
Since state law forbids retirement benefits to judges convicted of a felony while in office, the judges would also lose their pensions.
29: Maybe I'm too cynical. Anyway, thanks.
Eh. That blog's been going downhill since ogged left ogged came back BPhD came back BPhD left Labs' showed his colon became a private, for-profit concern.
I can. not. believe that n most states including PA fucking children can waive their right to counsel? Seriously?
on 32, from the linked article in the OP:
The United States Supreme Court ruled in 1967 that children have a constitutional right to counsel. But in Pennsylvania, as in at least 20 other states, children can waive counsel, and about half of the children that Judge Ciavarella sentenced had chosen to do so. Only Illinois, New Mexico and North Carolina require juveniles to have representation when they appear before judges.
Only Illinois, New Mexico and North Carolina require juveniles to have representation when they appear before judges.
Go Illinois!
27: Unfogged doesn't want colons with good taste, they want colons that taste good. Sorry bensy.
they want colons that taste good. Sorry bensy.
34: Those three states are no doubt magnets for juvenile delinquents as a result of their softhearted policies.
Jesus Christ. Without knowing details, seven years seems like a pretty lenient plea bargain on its face. One of the worst judicial scandals I've heard about in recent times.
23 is exactly right.
Also, 7 years isn't remotely close to just.
Particularly when you consider the number of people doing a (almost certainly harder) nickle for bullshit like having a joint or a dime bag in their pocket at the wrong time.
Why apologize?
Maybe you're too young to know such things.
Those three states are no doubt magnets for juvenile delinquents as a result of their softhearted policies.
I don't know which way, if any, the causality runs, but there certainly seems to be a lot of juvenile delinquency around here.
Despite his young age, teo has already had to start yelling at those damn kids to get off his lawn.
Go Illinois!
I was surprised to see North Kackalacky on that list.
43: And why oh why won't they pull up their damned pants?
44: No-one expects the North Kackalacky Representation!
Particularly when you consider the number of people doing a (almost certainly harder) nickle for bullshit like having a joint or a dime bag in their pocket at the wrong time.
Where on earth on you living that's handing out 5 years for that? Small amounts of weed are a misdemeanor.
They're judges. Judges give nice sentences to other judges. Besides, sending people to jail for money is the Great American Way.
Where on earth on you living that's handing out 5 years for that
The link doesn't talk about sentencing, per se. It was just the first example of the approach to pot that has been taken by New York, both at the state and city level, since the Rockefeller drug laws.
