Re: A lesson in Aristotelian metaphysics

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Thanks for letting us know, ben.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 8:18 PM
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Tell us about when you get all steamed up.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 8:19 PM
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Are shortness and stoutness independent properties?


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 8:26 PM
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My handle and my spout are one in number,

Are you a Klein teapot?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 8:28 PM
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Are they also your telos?


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 8:32 PM
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Doctor, when I urinate, I get a burning sensation in my telos.


Posted by: MH | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 8:36 PM
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I was thinking that the arete of a handle and of a spout are clearly different.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 8:41 PM
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Is your spout snub?


Posted by: Merganser | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 8:57 PM
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Hey, ben and oud are both here, so I can brag on my daughter:

We were out at dinner tonight (Indian - all Iris wanted to know was whether she could have tamarind chutney, which she's loved since she was two; she once asked the server in an Italian restaurant whether they had any) and got home late. Iris, typically, said after the lights were out, "It's too late for a god and goddess story, isn't it. You know, I don't sleep as well when I don't get a god and goddess story." "Are you trying to manipulate me?" "No, I'm just telling you what happens." "...OK, pick a short one."

She chose Hephaistos, specifically the version on the cards that were kindly given her. She sort of beams when it gets to the part where Thetis saves him; I think that, deep down, Thetis is her very favorite goddess.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 9:03 PM
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Oh and, for the record, Iris does perform the teapot dance for us. If ben had asked, I could have provided a little video accompaniment to this post.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 9:03 PM
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|>My friend with the questionable relationship to alcohol has just accused me of driving her to drink. Life sucks. ||


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 9:05 PM
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P.S. I am totally Becks-style and listening to a conversation about determinism and freedom (spelt the first time: greedmo).


Posted by: Merganser | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 9:06 PM
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12 cross-posted with 11---sorry Di.


Posted by: Merganser | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 9:08 PM
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13: hell, I'm Becks style too. Fuck.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 9:09 PM
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I'm sober.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 9:10 PM
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15: Way to mock my barrenness heebs.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 9:12 PM
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I am in a state of sobriety.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 9:12 PM
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I'm your baroness?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 9:13 PM
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I am working on being Becks style.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 9:13 PM
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Sadly, I'm not Becks-style, because I just had to do some work since the events described in 9. Although I did enjoy a nice bourbon while doing so.

Hey, music question on behalf of AB:

About 10 years ago, AB heard a piece on NPR about a female harpist whose music might be described as "rock n roll harp."

This was not Ms. Newsom. AB has no idea who this was, and has never managed to figure out. Any ideas, peoples of Unfogged?

OK, now to actually go spend a few minutes with AB before bedtime. G'night.

PS - That sucks, Di. Sometimes I think I/we don't have enough friends. Other times I think, thank god we have just the few, sane friends we have.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 9:14 PM
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9: Thetis is excellent. JRoth, you should really read the one review for this book.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 9:15 PM
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18: So Jammies is Destro?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 9:15 PM
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Holy shit, I looked at the Times before shutting down. Nikkei is down 4.7%, HangSeng 6.3%. Ack.

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Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 9:16 PM
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21: So great. Homer has never once gotten me laid.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 9:19 PM
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9 out of 11 people thought that review was helpful, IYKWTM.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 9:21 PM
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Homer has never once gotten me laid.

With all due respect to the man, you might want to go with someone who isn't blindman for your wingman next time.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 9:22 PM
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blindman what the hell


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 9:22 PM
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26: Gov. Paterson has been the Goose to my Maverick on many successful outings.


Posted by: MH | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 9:23 PM
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26: wrong Homer. JRoth has this Simpsons cut-out he brings around?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 9:26 PM
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People write some odd reviews of classics.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 9:31 PM
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"There Classic's for a reason" indeed.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 9:35 PM
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I am Becks-style, and I left a party for one of my dearest friends because one of his friends who showed up was one whose girlfriend I seduced very briefly in a bar a few years ago, which he (the boyfriend) thought was unutterably cool of me, but about which I have endured much shame and should-I-drink-less-ism in the intervening years. Sigh.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 9:41 PM
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I apparently bragged about having drunk a bottle of wine all by my own self in the wrong thread.


Posted by: Cecily | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 9:50 PM
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Yeah, I'm only 2/3 of the way through this bottle right now. You win! So far.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 9:55 PM
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22: Jammies is drinking for 3; cut him some slack


Posted by: Cecily | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 9:58 PM
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I am fully to blame for each and every instance of Becks-stylism. Sorry drinkers!

It would probably be very wrong to cope with the emotional angst of an alcoholic friend by finishing off that bottle of wine downstairs...


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 10:00 PM
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36 only if the alcoholic friend is there. Otherwise I think it's expected.


Posted by: Cecily | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 10:02 PM
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Well I'm eating some really fucking good lamb palak and naan all by my own self. Is that praiseworthy?


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 10:02 PM
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Yes! Good job! You are very great.


Posted by: Cecily | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 10:03 PM
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the emotional angst of an alcoholic friend by finishing off that bottle of wine downstairs

It protects against the (perhaps unlikely) circumstance that they find it and finish it off themselves!


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 10:04 PM
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38: No. It's mean to tell us that and not offer me some.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 10:04 PM
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41: I still have a few hunks of lamb and 3/4 of a piece of naan left. You are totally welcome to it of you can make it to 9th and Irving before this place closes.


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 10:09 PM
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I feel sort of guilty because it's a really nice bottle of wine and I should save it until I will appreciate it more.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 10:10 PM
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You know what fucking sucked? This week fucking sucked. (Minus fun birthday stuff on Monday.)

</lament>


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 10:14 PM
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42: Yum. When does it close? I can be there in, um, like an hour and change?


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 10:15 PM
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44: And people are eating lamb and naan without you, too.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 10:17 PM
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But it's the weekend? Yay?

(Not Becks-style, it's been a fairly long week and I've got to get some homework done tomorrow before class at 1 pm)

(But oh man, tomorrow night. The Drinking. It'll happen.)


Posted by: Po-Mo Polymath | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 10:18 PM
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There's some Italian place near 9th and Irving, I can't remember what it was called - and I'm sure there's more than one Italian place near there - that I really liked, but it was the kind of place where I wondered if I just liked it or if it was generally thought to be really good.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 10:19 PM
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I have a disgustingly scary looking worm type thing crawling around on my carpet. I don't want to touch it (for some reason, spiders don't scare me in the least but naked bugs leave me shuddering and scared), and all my cat is doing is watching it. Every time it touches her or she touches it, she recoils and then licks her paw where it touched. What the fuck are pets for if not to kill the creepy crawlies?

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Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 10:19 PM
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STOMP IT


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49: Why not touch it with a shoe, forcefully, instead of actually touching it?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 10:21 PM
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Yes, yes, be all logical. I just want it gone without dealing with it. I'll muster my courage up and scoop it up in the trash can shortly.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 10:22 PM
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And people are eating lamb and naan without you, too.

I'm okay with no lamb, but I'd prefer it if people signed a naan-disclosure agreement with me: Don't disclose you're eating naan, because then I want some naan. This is certainly an unreasonable preference on my part, but there is.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 10:22 PM
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Ooo! We did eat Indian tonight though!

Lamb rogan josh with garlic naan. Mmmm.


Posted by: Po-Mo Polymath | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 10:23 PM
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See what I mean?


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 10:24 PM
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I drunkenly bought two books from a Connecticut bookstore online a few minutes ago. A total expenditure of $21.75. Thank you parsimon for encouraging this behavior.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 10:24 PM
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53: That's how I feel about naan as well. I'm craving it desperately even though I'm completely full.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 10:24 PM
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Don't disclose you're eating naan

This only happens during NaaNoBlogNo.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 10:26 PM
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Dammit, now I'm craving naan too. Fuck you all. I mean that in the nicest possible way. (I'm also having this weirdly specific desire for food from a specific Indian place on the other side of the country.)


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 10:26 PM
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but there is s/b but there it is, in case that wasn't clear. I cop to approaching Becks-stylishness.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 10:27 PM
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Yep, essear, know how you feel. I'm craving Indian food from a restaurant approximately 6,000 miles away.

Thankfully at least I have a disgusting creepy crawlie to distract me from wanting food.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 10:28 PM
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I'll offer the same deal as Otto. The leftovers are with us at Michigan and Delaware. Getting here before bedtime = free naan & lamb rogan josh.

Just lemme know beforehand so I can turn the oven on.


Posted by: Po-Mo Polymath | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 10:29 PM
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a specific Indian place on the other side of the country

Ah, the elusive non-naan-starter. It's a fucker of fix to be in.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 10:29 PM
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^a


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 10:30 PM
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55: Bastards, the lot of them. PoMo even more so, though, because we're in the same metropolitan area and he could totally have invited me.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 10:38 PM
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My department's visiting speaker is Becks-stylinger-than-me. Time for bed, so I can meet him (NOT beet him) tomorrow morning for fat and starch consumption. The dog from the house next to the park in which I am stealing wireless connectivity is barking at me. Keep on eating naan (but not lamb), keep on crushing worms (if you must), and keep on seducing friends' friends' girlfriends, even if very briefly, in bars.


Posted by: Merganser | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 10:38 PM
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Ah, sorry, I polished it off and went back home (not that I think Parenthetical was being serious, but I don't know her persona well enough to judge, so just gotta be careful, you know? I mean, you don't want to be an, um, Indian giver*, when it comes to an offer of naan).

Anyway, now I'm back home and the roommate and the roommate emeritus are playing video games and yelling at each other. And now I have to re-jigger these slides a bit so that they can be more easily presented in poster form to the prospective students tomorrow morning.

*Yeah, I know it's tres non-PC but I couldn't resist the pun.


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 10:39 PM
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I'm also deeply confused about a problem which is sort of in the vein of variational calculus but not in a way that I see how to solve, and the wine isn't helping. Clearly I should find a friend's friend's girlfriend to seduce instead. Except for being Becks-style in a place where going anywhere interesting requires driving.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 10:41 PM
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I mean, you don't want to be an, um, Indian giver*, when it comes to an offer of naan

Wow that's awful and kind of hilarious.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 10:42 PM
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65: The injury is further exacerbated, because I could be in Chicago right now with the rest of my family for the purposes of a grandfather's 75th birthday shindig tomorrow evening, but I have a contract gig playing a fucking date auction in Alexandria, scheduled six months ago. Gah!


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 10:42 PM
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67: I was mostly non-serious but I appreciate the concern over being an, ahem, Indian-giver. I'll let you know next time if I'm actually going to show up and demand naan and lamb!

Also, in case you were all concerned, the worm-thingy (I suspect it's a larval something, since it most resembles the meal worms I had to feed my tortoise) has been safely removed to the out doors, after being only slightly chewed upon by the cat.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 10:44 PM
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There's some Italian place near 9th and Irving, I can't remember what it was called

Pasta Pomodoro? There's also at least 4 pizzerias within 2 blocks there, but I can't think of any pasta and sauce-type places besides PP. I thought PP was pretty good the one time I went there, though ultimately unremarkable. But no foodie, I.


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 10:46 PM
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I was thinking that the arete of a handle and of a spout are clearly different.

That is support for my assertion.

I see everyone has moved on to other things, so I'll just say that if the Necks came to your town and you didn't go see them, you missed out big.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 10:47 PM
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I think it was someone's name. Pasta Pomodoro is sort of a chain, isn't it? I vaguely remember eating at some place of that name on Telegraph a few years ago. Seemed generic.

I can probably answer this question with streetview.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 10:48 PM
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Is there any rogan josh that isn't lamb (or goat)?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 10:49 PM
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Hey Muni! Stop blocking the camera!


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 10:50 PM
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The Necks came to my town. I didn't see them. According to Ben, I missed out big.


Fuck.


Posted by: Merganser | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 10:51 PM
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Alas.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 10:52 PM
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yes, but lamb is canonical (sometimes mutton)


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 10:53 PM
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this talk of naan is reminding me of a tandoori place almost exactly 100 miles north of san fran. oddly enough.

which is pretty random, 'cause there is great naan 4 miles from here.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 10:54 PM
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79->75


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 10:56 PM
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65: Consider yourself welcomed to all future Indian dinners that I might have.

70: You too, Stanley.

75: I don't know. But the distinction between lamb and goat would be sufficient cause for listing the type of meat used in the rogan josh dish, wouldn't it?


Posted by: Po-Mo Polymath | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 10:57 PM
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Pasquale's.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 10:58 PM
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I think I am taking myself out for Indian tomorrow night. As a result of this thread.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 10:59 PM
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74: I think it was someone's name.

Milano? Pasquale's? Villa Romana? I know you don't mean Cybelle's, because that stuff is nasty.

Those and Pomodoro (which is a chain) are the only Italian-ish places in the neighborhood right now, and the only ones that I remember ever being here. But I've only been in this neighborhood since '04, so if this was awhile ago, it may have been before my time.


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 10:59 PM
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I may also book a massage, but that's just because I am feeling sorry for myself.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 10:59 PM
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(Irving and 8th.)


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 10:59 PM
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But the distinction between lamb and goat would be sufficient cause for listing the type of meat used in the rogan josh dish, wouldn't it?

Lamb and goat are pretty similar.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:00 PM
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Lamb and goat are pretty similar.

As are beef and veal. And yet...


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:02 PM
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but goat is unusual done that way.

granted, not as unusual as veggie versions or whatever.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:02 PM
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86: You should definitely do that. You deserve it no matter what happened tonight.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:02 PM
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87: Ah, you found the answer yourself while I was typing. Yes, Pasquale's is good. Or I can at least vouch for their black olive and pepperoni pizza is good, as that's the main thing I ordered from there during the 1.5 years I lived a half block away from there.


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:02 PM
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91: See? That's why I plan to marry you, prenup or no.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:04 PM
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88: Ben? Is that you? Are you feeling alright?


Posted by: Po-Mo Polymath | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:04 PM
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Hey, speaking of taking oneself out: any dining recommendations relatively near the Westin Hotel in Alexandria, VA? I've got time to kill between 6pm set up and 10pm showtime, so I can Metro if necessary.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:05 PM
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Everyone deserves an excellent curry. Curries all round, I say. Sounds like Di is especially deserving today.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:05 PM
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93: See, once we're married, you won't have to book them. I'm a partially trained masseuse!

(Aka, not good enough to have real paying clients but not bad in a pinch!)


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:05 PM
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I didn't eat dinner today. Instead, I ate incredibly poorly: pizza for lunch; some ice cream because I was self-pitying and headachy and tense; wine and cheese after a talk; a vegan donut (suprisingly good, considering) at the Necks concert; and now gin.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:06 PM
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if the Necks came to your town and you didn't go see them, you missed out big.

So you decided against the party that you might actually want to go to?


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:06 PM
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not bad in a pinch

This is your technique?


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:06 PM
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Aww, it sounds like ben needs to book himself a massage too.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:07 PM
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100: Nooooooooo. Pinching is not good technique.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:08 PM
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88: Ben? Is that you? Are you feeling alright?

You have to admit, lamb and goat are much more like each other than either are like a piece of feldspar.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:08 PM
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So we've got an evening of curry, a massage, and gin. It sounds pretty colonial, but I think my guilt will be fully suppressed about halfway through the dinner.


Posted by: Po-Mo Polymath | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:09 PM
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(Aka, not good enough to have real paying clients but not bad in a pinch!)

And you live about an hour away, you say?

So you decided against the party that you might actually want to go to?

Yes. I don't regret it, except I sort of do. On the other hand, there will be another party in about a week and a half with better food (albeit less booze) to welcome the admitted students. The really bad part is that part of the party was a white elephant gift exchange thing and I had this awesome stuffed thingy, some kind of legged sea-creature looking thing, and a self-published book by a crank that I saved from three years ago that I intended to give, but couldn't, since I wasn't there. (I gave them to someone else who didn't have a gift to be his to give.) The concert was fabulous, though, like really amazingly great.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:09 PM
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98: And in a few hours you're going to start writing something in the hopes of proving that you're not inferior to those you despise?


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:09 PM
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but not bad in a pinch!

As long as you don't actually pinch. Um, I'm a Pisces, sort of a slob, occasionally uncommunicative but with deep and sincere emotions. One extremely charming child. Somewhat insane family. I'm serious about waiving the prenup. In exchange for deep tissue work.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:09 PM
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I have a feeling that 106 contains an allusion or quotation that I don't recognize, and the truth is that in a few hours I'll be in bet, but otherwise, yes, probably.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:10 PM
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a self-published book by a crank

I love those.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:11 PM
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In bed. Potent stuff, this gin.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:11 PM
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108: You intuit correctly.


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a self-published book by a crank

as opposed to self-published books not by cranks? rare birds, those.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:12 PM
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oh dear, it's worse than we thought, ben has started drinking in bed.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:13 PM
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as opposed to self-published books not by cranks?

Hey, didn't Emerson self-publish a book?


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:14 PM
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In bed. Potent stuff, this gin.

Truly potent gin should get you in bed much quicker than a few hours.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:14 PM
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I'm serious about waiving the prenup. In exchange for deep tissue work.

Excellent. I do enjoy giving massages. I'm a Libra. Not a slob. I have a lovely family but I do have three dads so be prepared for some craziness. And most of my best friends are Pisces! (Um, not that I actually put much stock in astrology). See, told you we were perfect.

And you live about an hour away, you say?

I was calculating in some speeding - Indian food is better warm.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:14 PM
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Melville paid to publish Clarel.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:15 PM
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Do you want a religious ceremony?


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:16 PM
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Getrude Stein paid to publish Three Lives. Thackeray paid to publish Vanity Fair. Defoe paid to publish Moll Flanders.

And most of my best friends are Pisces!

Just like me! Though I fear that you seem not to be as excited at the prospect of giving massages as you do at that of eating Indian food.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:17 PM
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Though I fear that you seem not to be as excited at the prospect of giving massages as you do at that of eating Indian food.

Clearly, Ben won't appreciate you the way I would.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:19 PM
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discounting the possibility that any of those mentioned meet the crank classification, ben, are you suggesting the odds are good for a random self-published work? My money's on the goods being odd, rather. Or rather odd. Take your pick.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:19 PM
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Do you want a religious ceremony?

I'm not particularly religious, but I can go with the flow.

Though I fear that you seem not to be as excited at the prospect of giving massages as you do at that of eating Indian food.

Well, dear ben, I did not think it seemly to be faux-hitting on multiple people in the thread. I actually probably rank the giving of massages somewhat above the eating of Indian food on my list of life's pleasures.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:20 PM
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giving massages while eating Indian food though? not such a great idea.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:20 PM
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OK, time for me to get in on the bargaining. I will sign a prenup, and in it I will promise copious amounts of quality Indian food.


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:21 PM
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Hate to interrupt, but good night, people! Here's to everything looking better in the morning light, and fewer knots in one's back.


Posted by: Po-Mo Polymath | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:22 PM
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122: Faux??? My heart, it breaks.
124: How you doin'?


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:23 PM
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I thought that went without saying, Otto. Like the not sleeping with spouses siblings part (assuming no prior permission).


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:23 PM
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Parenthetical, just kill the bug instead of flirting with ben w-lfs-n in a circuitous effort to get him to come over and kill it.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:23 PM
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Oh, no, Otto, the pre-nup was to protect Di from me, not the other way around. (I'm poor).

But, you know, a pre-nup offering copious amounts of quality Indian food sounds like the only sort of pre-nup I'd want.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:23 PM
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ben, are you suggesting the odds are good for a random self-published work?

I reserve judgment. I simply say, this was a work of High Crankdom.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:24 PM
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125: Good night, Po Mo.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:24 PM
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Dammit, Ned, how dare you ruin my devious plan!!


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:24 PM
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130: Ah, a worthy gifting then.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:24 PM
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Ew, a BUG?!


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:26 PM
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126: Did I say faux? I must be Becks-style too.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:26 PM
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It was more like a worm, Ben. A worm with legs. But don't worry, I took care of it.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:27 PM
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All this take about pho is making me hungry.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:27 PM
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talk


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:27 PM
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I saw the necks tonight. They were real good. I did not see Ben though.


Posted by: lemmy caution | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:29 PM
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I am P S Y C H E D about getting some pho tomorrow after doing this ride (intermediate version except heading to Clement instead of the Embarcadero at the end). HOWEVER! Having pho for lunch will mean it will take even longer for me to polish off my delicious braised oxtails!

What a vale of misery is this life!


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:29 PM
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harder to drive with pho, eb.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:29 PM
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135: You know what? I'm cool with faux romance, as long as the cleaning and massages are real.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:29 PM
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It is my understanding that pho is not homophonous with faux.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:30 PM
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How you doin'?

I am doing quite fine! Thanks for asking!


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:31 PM
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you'd be surprised what passes for homophonous these days.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:31 PM
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140:

That bike ride looks like fun. I'd crap out before the end, though.

142:

Well, then, Di, I'll offer you all the faux romance you want. What are your favorite flowers?


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:31 PM
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I saw the necks tonight. They were real good.

Really?

Did it seem to you as well that they sort of lost the thread for a little bit about 20 minutes in?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:32 PM
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143: The key is to not pronounce it correctly.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:33 PM
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I mean, I thought they were fantastic, don't get me wrong—but I also had that impression.

Woo, I am noticing some definite increases in:

(a) volubility
(b) typing errors


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:33 PM
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That bike ride looks like fun. I'd crap out before the end, though.

The key is to stop frequently.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:34 PM
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149: You're becoming more like me. The horror.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:34 PM
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Back on the crank book topic, isn't Clarel considered kind of odd? (Not that I've read it.)


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:35 PM
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that looks pretty close to a ride I used to do, ben, and you've succeeded in making me curse the local riding here once again.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:35 PM
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this talk of naan is reminding me of a tandoori place almost exactly 100 miles north of san fran.

The one on 1 right near Jenner? Or another one?


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:35 PM
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Are you drinking gin too?

Here is what I recommend:

1 tsp cointreau
1 tsp absinthe
several dashes grapefruit bitters
a very small amount of sugar (like 1/4 or 1/3 tsp) if you like
2.5 oz gin


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:36 PM
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Faux is not homofauxnous with pho.

Is the "ph" really an aspirated P? L


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:37 PM
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146: I'm not much for cut flowers, actually. Dark chocolate and red wines work well.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:37 PM
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Is not "pho" pronounced something like "fuh"?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:38 PM
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Yum. I should really get better about making myself mixed drinks. I stuck to a single beer tonight, for fear that it would go straight to my head. (I really, really need to figure out a way to sleep better the nights before I lecture at 8 am).


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:38 PM
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I'm not much for cut flowers, actually.

IOW, only virgins ought apply.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:39 PM
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157: Hmm, no flowers? I currently have baby daffodils in my kitchen that are making me very happy.

But I can do good quality chocolate and wine.


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155: Mmmm! I have blood orange rather than grapefruit bitters... Close enough!


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:41 PM
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The one on 1 right near Jenner? Or another one?

That's the one. Is it still there? Pops out of the middle of nowhere, it seems. I lucked into it once traveling south in maybe '96 or so. Years later friends in the bay area didn't believe me that it existed so we piled into a car to go find it based on my foggy recollection. Almost gave up and turned back, but then there it was, and the food was good.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:41 PM
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Is not "pho" pronounced something like "fuh"?

I thought it was something like "fa"? But I'm not very confident about that versus "fuh". Soemwhere in that neighborhood.

I really, really need to figure out a way to sleep better the nights before I lecture at 8 am

You lecture at 8 am on Saturday? I'm sorry.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:42 PM
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161: Uncut baby daffodils in the flower beds out front would be delightful!


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:42 PM
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Pho is a long long way to run.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:43 PM
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You lecture at 8 am on Saturday? I'm sorry.

Oh, no, sorry, I was totally unclear there, wasn't I? I meant that I didn't sleep much last night, as I lecture MWF at 8, and thus was worried about the effects of alcohol on me. (Why I'm intent on staying up is beyond me).


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:43 PM
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Dark chocolate and red wines work well.

My cob-loggy winemaking friend loves loves loves doing these pairings. He has yet to enlighten me with what goes with what, though.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:43 PM
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158, 164: This website called Wikipedia has a recording of what is presumably a proper pronunciation. But yes, like fuh, only with some kinda rising tone thingy.


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:43 PM
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163: At least as of last August it was still there. Every time I go past there it cracks me up; it's so completely out of context. Never actually eaten there though.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:44 PM
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He has yet to enlighten me with what goes with what, though.

Red wine goes with dark chocolate.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:44 PM
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Did it seem to you as well that they sort of lost the thread for a little bit about 20 minutes in?

I couldn't tell. Different sections were were better than others. At times the piano player was distractingly keith jarretty (not that there is anything wrong with keith jarrett himself).


Posted by: lemmy caution | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:44 PM
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161: Uncut baby daffodils in the flower beds out front would be delightful!

Ooh, you have space to have a garden? Mine currently consists of four large pots of mixed flowers and herbs. It's really not very fulfilling.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:44 PM
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Though really if I were eating dark chocolate wouldn't I prefer some brandy? Yes I would.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:45 PM
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171: [smacks forehead] Oh! Okay, then.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:45 PM
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Now I want brandy and dark chocolate and naan. And maybe some pho also? I'm very suggestible tonight.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:46 PM
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So this is an open thread, so all the other threads should be un-open.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:46 PM
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Oh, and Parenthetical, I emailed you at your linked address—nothing urgent, just informing you in case it's one you never check.


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:46 PM
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essear, you want to send me money. Lots and lots of money.

(Is that too obvious?)


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:46 PM
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179: I already donated tonight to some charity someone on Facebook suggested donating to in lieu of giving him a birthday present. The thing is, I wouldn't otherwise have given him a birthday present at all.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:48 PM
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Every time I go past there it cracks me up; it's so completely out of context.

Exactly!

I was dead tired and had been traveling a couple of days when I first passed it... even more incongruous heading south I think. So at first I was half convinced I'd hallucinated it or something.

But then I realized I was really hungry, so turned around and checked it out. Turns out they have 3-4 proper tandoors out on the deck and a nice view. At the time, anyway, it was some of the best Indian food I'd had in California (unfortunately a bit of a low bar, that).

I still have no idea how they survive out there. Real tandoors though, excellent naan and good curries. At least, it was 10 years ago.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:48 PM
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Thanks for letting me know, Otto - you're right, I don't check it frequently!


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:49 PM
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177: By open thread, I assume you're talking about transparency. Or maybe this is the free association - by which I mean the first amendment - thread.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:49 PM
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The lack of dinner recommendations for Alexandria or the broader area which could be reached within an hour or so by Metro (I think) leaves me thinking we're going to be eating at some Applebee's or something. Most disheartening.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:50 PM
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173: You garden? I might love you for real.
174: I've never quite come around to brandy. Though I suspect that , like Sherry, I'd feel differently if I had the right kind.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:50 PM
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because Sherry, she totally changed her mind when she tried a good brandy


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:51 PM
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You can do better than that, Stanislaus. I mean, can't you just mosey around until something likely comes up? Or ask one of the locals? They speak a sort of English there.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:51 PM
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184: The people with DC restaurant knowledge are probably socializing in person tonight. You could always go to the generic chain food court at the Pentagon City mall.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:51 PM
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185: I garden poorly and with little skill but I like flowers and herbs and playing with dirt.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:52 PM
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probably socializing in person tonight

Those assholes. I bet they're fornicating too.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:53 PM
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The lack of dinner recommendations for Alexandria or the broader area which could be reached within an hour or so by Metro (I think) leaves me thinking we're going to be eating at some Applebee's or something. Most disheartening.

I can't recommend anything myself, but surely there are good options? Maybe Google some of the places Tyler Cowen has praised?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:53 PM
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190: Bastards. And what's worse is they didn't even invite me.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:54 PM
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189: Sigh. I'm smitten.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:55 PM
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[blush]


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:56 PM
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The thing about Alexandria, though, is it's a long way south of a lot of the area. Or at least that's my impression from just having ridden to the end of the Metro lines. There's a big section without a stop once you pass the airport on the way out.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 02-20-09 11:57 PM
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195: Yeah, I think we may try to hit Amsterdam Falafel and walk around, time-permitting.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 02-21-09 12:10 AM
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I killed the thread with my emoticon-esque comment, didn't I?

I suppose I should take this as my cue to sleep. I hope ben didn't drown in his gin. And that everyone has a wonderful night.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 02-21-09 12:24 AM
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Good night all.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 02-21-09 12:32 AM
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OK, finished the stupid slides. These perspectives better be fucking grateful. But no, they'll probably be smug.


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 02-21-09 1:18 AM
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ARISTOTLE CAN KISS MY ASS TWICE.


Posted by: OPINIONATED KOBE | Link to this comment | 02-21-09 1:23 AM
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jroth at 20: was it zeena parkins?

(not really rocknroll -- she plays more with ppl like john zorn, of used to -- but def noisy and electronically amplified)


Posted by: tierce de lollardie | Link to this comment | 02-21-09 5:31 AM
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201: I'll run it past AB.

I can't believe there have been 200 comments on a thread started at 10:15 pm EST on a Friday. You all are losersheroes.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 02-21-09 6:24 AM
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1 tsp cointreau
1 tsp absinthe
several dashes grapefruit bitters
a very small amount of sugar (like 1/4 or 1/3 tsp) if you like
2.5 oz gin

I want one of these. And yet it is morning. I blame Di.


Posted by: mcmc | Link to this comment | 02-21-09 7:05 AM
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Getrude Stein paid to publish Three Lives. Thackeray paid to publish Vanity Fair. Defoe paid to publish Moll Flanders.

Note general pre-20.5th century-ness. The statement can easily be saved by restating it as an observation about books self-published this millennium; or at the very least, this past 50 years.

(Saving Emerson's presence; see Making Light for more correct diagnostics of crankitude or rather,gullibility, thatv don't


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Er, obviously*, that was me.

*well, obvious now.


Posted by: Keir | Link to this comment | 02-21-09 7:30 AM
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At times the piano player was distractingly keith jarretty

Kieth Jarretty, no?


Posted by: Keir | Link to this comment | 02-21-09 7:34 AM
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People nowadays worry about self-publishing cooties, along with DFH cooties, populist cooties, leftist cooties, tacky shoes, bad hair, uninteresting food, and cranks. No one actually seems to admire big-biz publishing, not least because they squeeze their authors, but also because they focus increasingly on high-concept crap, but a professionally-done book is cootie-free.

One of the Blowhards (Michael, I think) worked in publishing, and he thinks that the vicious structure of publishing is responsible for the weirdness of a lot of literature: no sane, happy person would try to make a living as an author. (Same with the music biz).

I love the Nielson Haydens, I doubt that they're bloodsucking leeches, but they have their own axes to grind.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 02-21-09 7:48 AM
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You all are losersheroes.

Or people who live on the West Coast....


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 02-21-09 11:36 AM
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No, some of us really are losersheroes. Who formerly lived on the West Coast, and would like to again.

Others of us don't use <strike> tags.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 02-21-09 11:40 AM
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Tis true - I forgot that the html formatting doesn't carry through. Why I would think this to be the case is beyond me.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 02-21-09 11:52 AM
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Science fiction is cootied to start with, though, so SFnal activity is still resigned to or reveling in its cootie-dom.


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