Doesn't save me any energy. I'm as tired after a 23 hour day as a 25 hour day. More, even.
Scientologists live on a 28 hour day schedule.
I was heartbroken when I realized this meant waking up at 6 was going to be that much harder next week, since I can't fall asleep until after midnight. My time clock was permanently altered by working night shifts.
Boy! Akron/Family sure did blow, and presumably still are blowing!
A far cry from the fucking awesome show they put on in 2005 or whenever. I would blame the sound but the openers sounded great. And this is their second night at the venue.
I know! I have to be up and out of the house by 6 tomorrow. 6PM, yes, but I'm not looking forward to it.
I hate you, Sifu.
And dommage, ben. Sounds like a tragedy - but at least the openers were good?
Huh, where'd my comment go?
The openers were surprisingly good. Citay.
Huh, where'd my comment go?
Sacrificed at the altar of Daylight Savings, I expect.
A false god if ever there was one.
What false god that makes these crops so freakin' easy to harvest?!?
Every year in the spring farm kids make a little Daylight Savings Man out of a sheaf of wheat.
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13: so really, that story: what the hell? That's an engineering disaster for the ages.
Indeed. I want to see the follow up on how the hell a building just collapses. (And, also, to give credit where credit is due, the article is the subject of a blog post at EotAW).
Just as it became possible to get up at the crack of dawn, they moved dawn.
He sucks that much.
Dude, have you heard Modern Guilt? Easily his best album since Mutations. It made me want to synchronize my thetans.
15: Probably some innovative design that didn't have all the bugs worked out. Does anyone remember a big article in the New Yorker five-ten years ago about the Citicorp Center in NY? It had some exciting new structural design. Halfway through the construction, some engineering intern said to his boss "Hey, I've been checking the calculations for practice, and I keep on getting them wrong -- it looks to me like the building's going to fall down in a 20 year gale. Can you show me where I'm messing up?" And the boss couldn't find the error, and kicked it upstairs, through a couple of iterations until it got to the genius who designed the silly thing who said "Huh, that is a problem. Bolt on some more structural reinforcements!"
I like Beck.
Me too. Why you gotta be a hater, Stanley?
13: Goodbye, Heinrich Böll archive! Oh well, never liked him anyway. But this:
Böll - most famous outside Germany for his novel Group Portrait with Lady
Really? I have never heard of this book.
12. Also 17. And 44, when it happens.
Of course I'm still on Winter Time. And will be for another two or three weeks. Yay.
DST is awesome. Why should sunlight be wasted on morning people? Much better to have extra time to play outside in the evening.
I think Heinrich Böll is most famous outside Germany for "Billiards at Half Past Nine" and "The Lost Honor of Katarina Blum". Then "Group Portrait With Lady" is tied for third with "The Clown".
DST is awesome. Why should sunlight be wasted on morning people? Much better to have extra time to play outside in the evening.
I thought we were changing to normal time, and DST was the time that adds more sunlight in the morning in the winter.
24: Yeah, I definitely would have said one of those two for his most famous, inside or outside Germany. Hello, Volker Schlöndorff movie!
25: No, DST is summer time, when the sun reaches its zenith at 1:00 PM, as God intended.
what i find disturbing that it seems floating either april or march, the beginning date, no? don't remember the last year's day, i woke up to find the late hours, but it was not me, i was punctual as always
i'm glad to find that black tea does not make me gag, green tea bags always do that for me, i thought something wrong with the tea processing, if i drink tea in the morning before eating anything i always have some nausea, which never happened before back home
I like Beck too. Must be the over 40 crowd.
DST sucks. You want more daylight in Summer? Come in early. Where do you get off making me come in early?
(My son's school bus will be at the stop at 6:30 am tomorrow. Any of you proponents who'd like to help get him out the door should drop me a line).
I like Beck, and I love DST. My most firmly held public-policy position is that we should have DST all year long.
the Citicorp Center in NY?
Do you mean the one in midtown east, the one on great big black stilts, the one that looks like a Bauhaus domicile for a Dark Lord? Christ, that building already makes me extremely nervous.
Billiards at Half Past Nine is what Böll is most famous for in the U.S., but I think Group Portrait with Lady is second. Evidence: those are the two on my bookshelf, and I've never read them and have no idea how they got there, which means I must have picked them up for $0.50 at some library book sale on the basis of "hey, I've heard of that".
Wikipedia has the disturbing details about the Citigroup Center.
32: It's on 53d between Lex and Third -- I'm not sure if you're thinking of the right building. It is on stilts, kind of, but it's gray/silver rather than black.
You ant-DST people all must hail from souther areas. Having the sun still up after leaving work at 6 feels like God's own breath of hope after a long, cold time of suffering.
Tea in the morning makes me puke, read. I gave up coffee for about a year and had tea instead, but I got sick of puking every day.
So you would have had to wait another two weeks until sunset got there on its own. I'd rather not have to lose the hour's sleep.
the tea prepared from tea bags? or you prepare real tea in the teapot with brewing?
if that, i don't know what to think, maybe i (sorry, you too) have an ulcer then
the disturbing details about the Citigroup Center.
Hey, I used to work in that building. I'm so glad they fixed it.
I'd rather not have to lose the hour's sleep.
Complain, complain. You get it back next fall.
38: Golly, same with me. Will happily drink tea in the afternoon, but in the morning --instabarf.
We are morning people, with the assitance of caffeine. We have been trying to stop drinking diet coke (and less coffee) and drink more tea.
Our current favorite is plum oolong. mmmmm good.
If morning tea is making your stomach hurt, maybe you're drinking overly tannic tea? Consider steeping it for a shorter time or switch to a lighter blend. Tea in the morning sometimes makes me want to throw up too, and I'm too much of a coffee addict anyway, so take all of this advice with a cup of salt.
That Citibank building is a terror. I'm never going within a block of that thing again.
41: I was making teapot tea with Scottish Breakfast. I love it, and it's very tasty, but definitely, the barfing had to stop.
40: I thought I would get used to it, but the effect increased over that year. I thought it was better than being a coffee addict, but it's not.
I join in 40's mystification, and 46 might be what's going on. Not in the mornings or systematically, but every so often I'll have an overbrewed cup of tea, and it's surprisingly nauseating. It's like flipping a switch: it's a perfectly harmless beverage until it hits some level of strength, and then suddenly it's barftastic.
stop drinking diet coke
Never!!!! It is the breakfast of champions.
so black tea seems okay
back home i always drank milk tea, so milk perhaps blocks that, tannin or what induces nausea
i never actually vomit though, just feel like i'm about
I've come to appreciate chugging energy drinks first thing in the morning for that eye-twitching goodness.
it seems floating either april or march, the beginning date, no?
It was changed from April to March in the US a couple of years ago, IIRC.
Milk tea is easier on the stomach, for sure. Most of my puking happened when I didn't have enough milk.
True, come to think of it. Bad memories of nauseating tea are all about tea with lemon and honey, not milky tea.
Never!!!! It is the breakfast of champions.
Back away from the diet coke, Idealist. Now get back in that pool!
I'm totally psyched about daylight savings. I hate standard time and dread the switch every year. I'm excitedabout having it be light at 6PM.
I don't quite get why summer hours are the ones that need meddling.
Mmm. I'd be perfectly happy with year-round DST, I just hate the switching.
Coffee has just been reported to greatly reduce cirrhosis risk. I seem tobe part of that dataset, based on my recent blood tests.
Tea in the morning on an empty stomach also nauseates me, but it's very, very possible that I brew it wrong.
In Hong Kong I saw Chinese wrinking milk tea, and it just seemed wrong. Maybe they've been perveretd by the British. But for a Mongol to drink milk tea would be perfectly normal, of course.
Read if you're still around, are Lopsang Sioochong and Russian Caravan like Mongol teas? Because that's what I imagine.
It was changed from April to March in the US a couple of years ago, IIRC.
However! The timeserver with which my computer synchronizes hasn't been updated to reflect that!
sorry, i never tried Lopsang Sioochong and Russian Caravan, can't tell, maybe i'll try it if i find them
sometimes i recall i read somewhere something when shopping, at unfogged too, read i mean, and buy it to try
it's Georgian green tea, with milk and salt, some people don't like it, even the smell, i had a roommate, a korean girl, she doesn't eat meat or drink milk i guess, so she moved out after one month, coz my niece happened to be visiting me and she likes to cook unlike me
so the roommate said she can't stand the smell, though i think our food does not smell any stronger than kimchi or pizza
It is the switching. Split the difference and never switch again, says I.
Coffee and DST will be pried from my cold dead fingers.
Coffee has just been reported to greatly reduce cirrhosis risk.
Had a death call yesterday that looks like the guy might have managed to intentionally drink himself to death. 48 year old alcoholic. Found by his sister on the kitchen floor.
How do you intentionally drink yourself to death? Chug grain alcohol?
The fact that DST appears to be a fairly effective, is more evidence to me that humans are not going to cut it in the long run. If we must resort to fooling ourselves with parlor tricks with the clocks rather than simply changing the times that we do various activities, well good fucking luck.
It reminds me of how annoying Manhattan/New York is with the late times for so many activities (like brunch in the afternoon). So much extra energy burned so folks can affirm that they really are urban sophisticates by doing everything in the dark. We're not Iowans! We're really, really not!
I can not fathom why someone with otherwise excellent musical taste such as Stanley could hate Beck. Feel indifferent to, sure. But hate? Beck "sucks"? I am baffled.
52: And while I 'm complaining, the unilateral move of the times in the US is a pain in the ass for those who do a lot of work with folks overseas. (most of the world changes March 29th this year). Puts a goofy little 3 week period when the time is off a week. Plus I get tired of explaining that no there is not a setting on the computer that makes it all come out right, that if you have a mixed US/European meeting that you have to choose which time zone to follow and the other folks are off by an hour (in fact on the computer it almost always follows the time zone it was originally made in which folks sometimes lose track of). Plays havoc with recurring regularly scheduled meetings.
And I want some good fucking European cheese with this whine. And I want it now. Not an hour from now.
Will happily drink tea in the afternoon, but in the morning --instabarf.
Hmm, this is how I am with coffee, not tea. But Diet Coke is my savior anyhow.
How do you intentionally drink yourself to death? Chug grain alcohol?
Yeah, he had a couple pretty big bottles of whiskey next to him on the floor, and it looked like he'd purged a bit at the end. Supposedly had been talking about suicide for a while. There was a loaded .44 mag on the floor of the bedroom that was unfired. He also had been trying to stop drinking, with really bad DT. Maybe couldn't take it, fell off wagon so hard his body shut down? He was also diabetic. Hard to know for sure as he didn't leave a note or anything.
You people whose responses to tea, but not coffee, or with things reversed, baffle me.
31: I totally agree. Daylight Saving Time year round!
However! The timeserver with which my computer synchronizes hasn't been updated to reflect that!
Aren't most time servers set to UTC and the time zone files on your computer take care of things like DST? Are you sure you updated your TZDATA?
someone with otherwise excellent musical taste such as Stanley
This point may be where you're off. My reaction to Beck's music is a subjective "blech!" but I'd be hard-pressed to sound convincing if asked to explain it. I would say something like, "It's too noisy on purpose and that's annoying" or "the beats are boring" both of which are vague and unconvincing.
Basically, I'm not trying to convince of my weird preferences here. Just noting them.
For the record, I hold similar unfirmly-supported-but-firmly-held opinions of many (but not all) Pearl Jam and Led Zeppelin songs.
"Trampled Underfoot" is the greatest Zep song. Maybe the only really good one. Otherwise, diss away.
The wikipedia article in 34 links to a non-gated (because illegally posted) version of the New Yorker article LB mentioned.
73: perhaps the cause was a setting in /etc/conf.d/clock.
I am glad that drinking Diet Coke instead of coffee/tea in the morning is becoming respectable.
The British used to change to British Summer Time a week before the U.S. switched to DST, so we were out of whack then too.
Nope!
is /etc/locatime an actual file or a symlink? If it is an actual file it could be from an old zoneinfo file.
It's a symlink to /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Los_Angeles.
Beats me then. Maybe the time server really is configured to send timezone corrected times which would be weird, but possible.
You people whose responses to tea, but not coffee, or with things reversed, baffle me.
Both coffee and tea come with a lot of strange substances that cause different reactions in people - though, in my case, I think it all has to do with differing concentrations of caffeine.
I am glad that drinking Diet Coke instead of coffee/tea in the morning is becoming respectable.
I am not sure about respectable; when I drink it in the morning I do it shame-facedly in my office at 7:30, whereas if I brave the jitters that come with the higher doses of caffeine from coffee, I do it without shame in front of my class.
Is that zoneinfo file up to date? I remember having to fix a bunch of those a few years back when they started moving the DST changeover date around.
Sunset here at the tropical 40th latitude was already at 6. Moving to DST this early is just idiotic. I can't fathom all you people who evidently wish to awaken predawn for 8 months out of the year, as opposed to the 2-4 that the earth's tilt and society conspire to effect.
Is that zoneinfo file up to date?
Oh, that must be it.
I've seen Beck play live twice, both in intimate and strange surroundings. The more straightforward was at a hilltop mansion near my house at a fundraiser for a free health clinic, where he put on a live Mutations/Midnite Vultures-era show with a small band in a medium-size backyard. A few years before that, an art gallery mounted a retrospective of Beck's Fluxus grandpa's work, and in the parking lot Beck played a weird, jammy show that involved someone dressed up as a dolphin with an enormous penis. The night after that, his little brother pushed a piano off the roof of the gallery. I still see the little brother around town.
The weekend that my bass player came to L.A., he found himself invited to a party where he wound up sitting in on a basement jam with Beck. Los Angeles could only go downhill from there.
I haven't loved anything he's done from Sea Changes on, so comparing the new stuff to Mutations is aces for me.
I didn't realize Beck ever actually played at his own shows. I thought he just jumped onstage at other people's.
But, my music tastes might be suspect since we recently were really enjoying a cd in our car, when we suddenly realized it was Stanley.
What kind of music does your daughter like, Will?
Anything with a beat. She loves Bob Marley and Tinariwen.
When I want her to behave, I play "If not for you" by Dylan.
Ooh nice. I didn't know Tinariwen.
I heard about them from NPR.
We dance around dervish-style at night. She loves it.
Gentoo is fucking with me:
All the old timezone data files belong to glibc.
At some point in the past, things were split up; the tzdata files now belong to a package called timezone-data.
I can't upgrade to the timezone-data system because portage won't, in installing one package, replace files owned by another. To get around this, one much upgrade to the new glibc.
However, the new glibc has the new timezone-data package as a dependency.
Catch-22!
Well if it makes you feel better you aren't the only one to run into this.
Gentoo-Linux-Package-NOT-merged-due-to-file-collisions-problem-and-solution
I don't remember running into this problem though.
Puts a goofy little 3 week period when the time is off a week.
Fortunately, one doesn't have to worry about this when dealing with Asia, since hardly any country there uses DST.
The US sure evangelizes on DST, apparently. Both Japan and Iraq had it imposed on them, and got rid of it soon after regaining sovereignty-in-name (1948-1951 and 2003-2007 respectively).
JRoth: Get a dawn simulator. Then it will be light by the time you get going. What time do you get up anyway?
101: Or more accurately one has always had to deal with the negative effects of DST changes, but folks who work between those countries and DST ones are used to it. It really is mostly an issue between Europe and US which people assume are in sync, or remembering that Canada went along with the US change while Mexico did not.
The country I deal with the most in those time zones is Australia, where the date change turns one 2-hour relative time change into two 1-hour ones (including WA for the time being which is in a DST "trial" period).
What time do you get up anyway?
It was just starting to be light at 6:30 am here; I imagine quite a few people have to be up before that.
The US was out of sync with Europe before the move, wasn't it? Something like the US being one week later instead of a few weeks before.
i calculate it's still only 10pm yesterday's time and can't go to sleep, feels too early
but should, will get too tired tomorrow
The time change is usually a great goodness to me and last year I loved the time change coming sooner rather than later but this year it really fucked with me. Last night I basically could not sleep. That wasn't entirely the fault of the time change but the time change is what started it and kept me awake to the point that the utility work down the street and flights of mind kept me wide-eyed well past any sane hour.
Also, I hate Beck. His only redeeming moment is his appearance in that episode of Futurama.
For a while now, we've wanted to move the babies' bedtime from 6pm to 7pm without having to endure an additional hour of total crankypantses in the evening. Thanks, DST!
Last night I basically could not sleep.
Me too. I must have fallen asleep for a short period of time, but my dreams were about tornadoes and dying horses and crying babies so I don't really count it as restful. Stupid daylight savings!
105: Something like the US being one week later instead of a few weeks before.
You're right I had forgotten that it was a week off in the spring (Europe was last Sunday in March versus first Sunday in April). I think everyone just wrote that week off as a confusing mess, but it really is not different than what I complained about above. (And BG mentioned the same in 80.)
It's nice to have the cats back to a later feeding schedule. The fat cat gets his food from a timed dispenser, and for a while there it was happening at 6 AM and 6 PM. We have to feed the skinny cat while the fat cat is eating, otherwise ... well, there's a reason he's the fat cat.
Changing the time on the dispenser would require using the instruction manual, so we never did that.
94: Can I recommend one of my favorite groups, Soweto String Quartet? They play some regular string quartet stuff but their masterpieces are traditional African songs played on European string instruments. Great music, plus major swipple points 'coz they're all ethnic and shit.