Re: Pop-pop, pop, pop music

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What really distinguishes those songs is their pacing.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 03- 8-09 10:53 AM
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I've been working on this post for a decade.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03- 8-09 10:55 AM
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2: It shows!


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 03- 8-09 12:47 PM
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Blind Third Melon Mouse Candy

I think you mean Vertical Smashmouth.


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 03- 8-09 2:01 PM
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The blue lyrca swimsuit thing with shoulder pads in Lady GaGa's video (who, for the longest time, based on the name alone, I assumed was a drag queen who had managed to hit it big) is sort of amazingly awesome in the I can't believe she's wearing it sort of way.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 03- 8-09 2:12 PM
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Way to spoil my complete lack of awareness of what is popular these days.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 03- 8-09 2:14 PM
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My taste in music must be messed up. I think I like Lady Gaga's songs. What happened to me!?!?!??!


Posted by: Will | Link to this comment | 03- 8-09 2:18 PM
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7: I do too! I really do sing "puh-puh-puh-poker-face-puh-puh-poker-face" all the time.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03- 8-09 2:45 PM
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do too! I really do sing "puh-puh-puh-poker-face-puh-puh-poker-face" all the time.

I double-dog dare you to do it in the LD room on video!


Posted by: Will | Link to this comment | 03- 8-09 2:47 PM
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Poker face? I hardly even know her!


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 03- 8-09 3:24 PM
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Was that blue thing lycra or rubber? Does it count as a swimsuit? It looked more sci-fi new wave to me. Either way, it is the best thing I've seen today.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 03- 8-09 3:29 PM
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I liked the video for the Blind Third Melon Mouse Candy song because it imposed a better, more interesting, narrative on the song.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 03- 8-09 3:42 PM
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The first video is unavailable in my country. Does it criticize the People's Action Party or something?


Posted by: Neil the Ethical Werewolf | Link to this comment | 03- 8-09 4:46 PM
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Neil, when did you get your own country?


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 03- 8-09 4:47 PM
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Oh, this December I staged a successful coup around my wacky political web sites.

For realz, the message YouTube gave me was "This video is not available in your country." Which, at present, is Singapore.


Posted by: Neil the Ethical Werewolf | Link to this comment | 03- 8-09 5:35 PM
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What about Band-With-Wolf-(or-Tiger)-In-The-Name pop? Is it not really pop?


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 03- 8-09 7:27 PM
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16: One of my roommates has recently started a side project band called Drunk Tigers. I told him the "Tiger/Wolf" thing has jumped the shark but, if he insisted, it really should be Drunken Tigers, which rolls of the tongue more smoothly.

But did he listen in earnest and bow in reverence to my wisdom in the ways of band names? He did not.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 03- 8-09 7:42 PM
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15: It's All American Rejects "Gives you hell".


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03- 8-09 7:43 PM
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17: The fool!

They should call themselves "Drunken Sharks." I don't think Shark names have been used much yet.


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 03- 8-09 8:33 PM
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Usher, Love in This Club sounds extremely '80s R&B to me, at least in the beginning.


Posted by: dance | Link to this comment | 03- 8-09 10:55 PM
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On pop music generally: I was pop-shameful for awhile, but at this point I've just resigned myself. I like a lot of pop music.

That Akon song that was "hitting" a while back? Fucking catchy, notwithstanding the singing digital chipmunk.

One Republic? Loved it.

Boys Like Girls? Sure!

I also really like Shostakovich and Eric Dolphy.

I think my position on music is similar to LB's position on books, as expressed in the current mouseover ("People who read, almost absentmindedly, the most unutterable shit").

It's a subjective preference, after all.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 03- 8-09 11:01 PM
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20: obligatory link involving the Showbiz Pizza band of my youth.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 03- 8-09 11:04 PM
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Boys Like Girls? Sure!

I prefer Girls Against Boys, myself.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 03- 8-09 11:23 PM
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23: I like that, too! Aren't you the one who named Bad Religion on a previous music thread? They were my intro into punk rock (admittedly I haven't followed since 2000 or so). I adore Bad Religion. Recipe for Hate is probably my favorite.

Their music makes me think the distinction between "worthwhile" and "not worthwhile" pop music has a lot to do with lyrics, and that I'm a bit too willing to overlook the issue of lyrics.

Pop music can have shitty lyrics. And I'm okay with that. (Sorry, lyricists!)


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 03- 8-09 11:43 PM
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I'm on board with you, Stanley. A good pop song can be quite fun to listen to. The problem I find is that even a good pop song tends to have some major flaws (lyrics, as you point out, tend to be the common issue), and hearing such songs as repetitively as top most radio stations want you to hear them reveals all the flaws and leads to pure hatred with enough listenings.

(Personally, my dirty secret pop crush tends to be Pink).


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 03- 8-09 11:49 PM
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25: Oh, man. There was this Pink music video on at a place last night. The song was brilliantly fetching. All I remember was her around a bed (yeah, typical) and a great pop hook. Help?


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 03- 8-09 11:55 PM
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Hm. Pink and a bed? Perhaps U + UR Hand?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DowvJ6h1WnM


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 03- 8-09 11:57 PM
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(At least, I thought there was a bed in there).


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 03- 8-09 11:58 PM
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That wasn't the one, but I think there's a lot going on in that song that gets written off by music snobs. In fact, the lyrics there are on about something.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 03- 9-09 12:02 AM
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Hm. So, that's not the one. Do you remember anything else about it?

I am not familiar with music videos, really. Nor am I actually all that familiar with all her songs. I'll just keep linking songs with a bed in them that I'm finding on YouTube: Sober.

And yes, I enjoy U + UR Hand, probably a little too much. I think Sashs Frere-Jones reviewed her latest album in the New Yorker, but I'm never a huge fan of his take on things, so I didn't read it.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 03- 9-09 12:09 AM
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24: Yeah, I'm a big Bad Religion fan, even though I think someone needs to separate Greg Graffin from his thesaurus. And I'm right there with you on the pop.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 03- 9-09 12:12 AM
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30: It was probably "Sober". It was a background thing going on at the bar, but both eekbeat and I noticed the song as good.

I'm coming around to a position that Pink makes good music, and the snobs can fuck off.

The music industry problem is a structural-type of problem. (You know, go pound sand, whoever her record label is.) But Pink's cool.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 03- 9-09 12:18 AM
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Woo, I'm glad I came up with it - I hate it when you only sort of slightly remember a song and then want to talk about it but don't remember enough of it to actually be sure that the song you think is it is actually it.

And I think part of the "problem" with Pink is that she also turns out some total crap; like many people her internal editor is not really the best. But when it comes to girl pop, I have to say I'm fan of her and Rihanna. And I also like Beyonce's "Single Ladies," but I still mostly refuse to admit that.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 03- 9-09 12:21 AM
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By the way, that whole "oh I heard a song and couldn't quite place it and it was so good" thing? Shazam is like so life-changing.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03- 9-09 12:23 AM
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34: I want an Iphone solely for that purpose. Except I don't really want something that nice and that breakable as my phone - I constantly drop it.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 03- 9-09 12:27 AM
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They're surprisingly durable. I drop mine fairly regularly, and it's fine so far.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03- 9-09 12:29 AM
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Have you flung it from the top of a car onto asphalt yet? Because I do that little maneuver far more often than I'm sure is good for the phone.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 03- 9-09 12:31 AM
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I don't usually ride on top of the car.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03- 9-09 12:35 AM
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That's probably smart, Sifu.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 03- 9-09 12:37 AM
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So you ride on the bottom then?


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 03- 9-09 1:01 AM
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No, I run along behind it, of course. Can't push a car from below.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03- 9-09 1:02 AM
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Oh! Well I deal with that problem by only going places that are downhill of where I start.


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 03- 9-09 1:08 AM
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Mrs. TJ shut hers in a car door. A good way to damage a cell phone, if you ever run out of ideas.


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 03- 9-09 1:08 AM
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I also really like Shostakovich and Eric Dolphy.

Good man.

So what's that song that has the line "there's that [something] again"? Sounds like it could be sung by recent-vintage (ie, not no-wave) Arto Lindsay?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 03- 9-09 1:12 AM
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I mean in terms of the singer's voice, not anything else.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 03- 9-09 1:13 AM
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[This is the part of the thread where I tell ben to go blow a straw up his nostril or learn to play an instrument. I'm equally okay with either option.]


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 03- 9-09 1:17 AM
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I don't see how those are remotely equivalent.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 03- 9-09 1:20 AM
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[This is the part of the thread where I am pwned, but in a weird way.]


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 03- 9-09 1:20 AM
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They're surprisingly durable. I drop mine fairly regularly, and it's fine so far.

And yet, there appears to be a limit, as I recently discovered. "Luckily," Apple will sell you a new 2G iPhone for the price of a new 3G iPhone.


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 03- 9-09 5:54 AM
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(Personally, my dirty secret pop crush tends to be Pink).

I'm not even sure it needs to be secret. I think at least half of the songs from I'm Not Dead are genuinely good.

I don't know about any of here other albums. M!ssundaztood is relatively week, and I haven't listened to any others.

Have you heard the Shirley Bassey cover of "Get The Party Started" that I posted a while ago.


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 03- 9-09 11:34 AM
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Mrs. TJ shut hers in a car door. A good way to damage a cell phone, if you ever run out of ideas.

You might also try seawater. It does amazing things to electronics.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 03- 9-09 11:50 AM
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I listened to a fair amount of Pink when Roberta went on a big Pink kick last year. I don't mind it, but I don't find it interesting either. After a couple of tracks, it all starts to run together and sound the same.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 03- 9-09 11:53 AM
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51: No need to go to the beach when a clothes washer is close at hand. Or a toilet, for that matter, but unlike the washer, I don't have experience with that.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 03- 9-09 11:55 AM
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You don't have experience with toilets?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 03- 9-09 3:22 PM
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No, we have a mountain laurel.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 03- 9-09 3:29 PM
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Have you heard the Shirley Bassey cover of "Get The Party Started" that I posted a while ago.

I have - I think you linked to it from here at some point or another? Or did you possibly include it in a mix? Regardless, great post!


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 03- 9-09 3:36 PM
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I had to make a new car CD for my wife and kids because my 3 year old keeps repeatedly asking for Katy Perry - Hot N Cold while my 5 year old complains bitterly whenever it is played. The new cd is Katy Perry free.


Posted by: Lemmy Caution | Link to this comment | 03- 9-09 5:26 PM
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while my 5 year old complains bitterly whenever it is played

5-year-olds "complain bitterly" at certain songs these days? Man, kids are growing up fast these days. I didn't start complaining bitterly about music until I was in my early teens and my father insisted on playing Perry Como in the car during road trips.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 03- 9-09 6:08 PM
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I think you linked to it from here at some point or another?

I did. But I thought it was worth linking again.


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 03- 9-09 6:21 PM
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The video thing is interesting. The One Republic video is gorgeous and not like any other I can think of, but the song makes me want to claw my ears out. Whereas as the Boys Like Girls song if pleasing enough, in a disposable generic mall-ponk way, but the video makes me hate young people. I don't think this was the original intent.


Posted by: JPool | Link to this comment | 03-10-09 10:44 AM
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