Being able to hide an eight month pregnancy surprises me, but just being a big person makes a serious difference. A five-foot woman is going to have a baby that's not very different in absolute size from a six foot woman; even if the six-footer is skinny, she's still got a lot more room to hide it.
I dunno--Mrs. Chopper is 6'1", and she was fucking gigantic with both Chopper sprogs. Maybe something to do with ab tone, holding the uterus in?
Crazy stuff that. I want to know who's house the lead photo of Brynn Cameron is taken in. It looks like the house of a 30-something yuppie (and she dresses the part), not the house of a 23-year old student.
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3: If you read the article, the baby's father is Matt Leinart, who I guess is a pro football player. So there's plenty of money.
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Raivo Pommer
raimo1@hot.ee
Rumenien ja Lettlands geld
Die Reaktion fiel gelassen aus. Obgleich nach Ungarn und Lettland mit Rumänien nun der dritte osteuropäische EU-Mitgliedstaat die Europäische Kommission in Zahlungsschwierigkeiten geraten ist und um Hilfe gebeten hat, zeigen die Finanzmärkte nur verhaltene Reaktionen.
Die Landeswährung Leu wertet zwar um 0,8 Prozent auf 4,3077 Leu je Euro ab, doch ist sie damit immer noch unter dem Tief von Anfang Februar bei 4,3614 Leu. Die Kurse der rumänischen Staatsanleihen gaben immerhin leicht nach.
Raivo Pommer
raimo1@hot.ee
Rumenien ja Lettlands geld
Die Reaktion fiel gelassen aus. Obgleich nach Ungarn und Lettland mit Rumänien nun der dritte osteuropäische EU-Mitgliedstaat die Europäische Kommission in Zahlungsschwierigkeiten geraten ist und um Hilfe gebeten hat, zeigen die Finanzmärkte nur verhaltene Reaktionen.
Die Landeswährung Leu wertet zwar um 0,8 Prozent auf 4,3077 Leu je Euro ab, doch ist sie damit immer noch unter dem Tief von Anfang Februar bei 4,3614 Leu. Die Kurse der rumänischen Staatsanleihen gaben immerhin leicht nach.
3. But I did read the article, and got the impression they had split up. So I did further research, and found a mention they had split up. And, being the diligent researcher I am, I found the same photo here: http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2007/jul/22/no-headline---sc1fccameron22clgfc/ Taken in the family home. The bigger sprog is her sister's kid.
Can we start moralising now?
I did not do the extra research -- while I figured out they'd split up, I was assuming the grown-up looking house was a function of child support.
In any case, sure, let's moralize. What about?
10: About these women endangering their babies, of course. Shouldn't they be required to wear sensors and go to jail?
We could also moralise about sex education and so forth.
I strongly disapprove of leaving pregnant ballplayers locked in the back of hot cars, particularly if they don't know how sex leads to pregnancy.
I heard they were locked in hot cars as part of their hazing.
Clearly, cars should be designed without back seats, which cause sex and death.
13: Admit it. You're just jealous of the ball players, because they're taller than you.
15: However, ballplayers should not be allowed to ride in the beds of pickup trucks, no matter how much they seem to enjoy it.
Or is that hunting dogs?
2: Roberta is 5'10" and the only way she could have fooled anybody into thinking she wasn't pregnant would have been to claim it was a 50-pound tumor.
I'll just say, "Sarah Palin, former basketball player" and "concealed 8-month pregnancies". Combining these two items into a witty yet non-offensive comment left as an exercise for the very capable hands of Unfogged readers.
I heard it was hot in the back of their car through their own actions.
21 might have had a chance of being funny like 8 comments ago.
20: Why must the comment be non-offensive? Palin is a Republican!
I have to admit, 1 isn't even persuading me. Like 'more room to hide it' is true, but in the sense that would still include 'no way in hell'.
A 50-pound basketball? What is this, Tikal?
23: It would have had to be a pretty big basketball.
I don't really know how they could hide it, but anecdotally I noted that all the knocked-up kids who were waiting for their ante-natal appointments at the same time as us 1) had really small bumps and 2) didn't seem to have put on the same amount of fat as the more mature ladies, so I imagine they could hide their pregnancy for some time.
Are you sure it isn't my baby, then?
24: Why must the comment be non-offensive?
I refer you to some archives from early September '08.
Actually, I have worked with a couple of women (both long, long ago) who professed not to know they were pregnant until they went into labor, and nobody else that we worked with picked up on it. They were both, however, fairly obese, which doesn't track well with college athlete.
A 50-pound basketball? What is this, Tikal?
Mayan slam-dunk contests were legendary, but the cost of replacing all those shattered backboards doomed the civilization.
These players' stories sound unlikely to me, too; but I am uncommonly ignorant of basketball and remarkably ignorant of pregnancies.
I wouldn't be surprised if some college athletes were able to hide a pregnancy. The example cited in the article, Fantasia Goodwin, isn't really solidly built enough to fit my stereotype of such an athlete though.
30: you're able to knock people up across the internet??
32: I had a Samoan coworker in the Peace Corps like that -- she knew she was pregnant, but didn't visibly change much over the course of the pregnancy (or after Komiti was born). If she hadn't told people, we wouldn't have known.
When I interviewed at 7-months, a (soon-to-be) colleague (who ultimately delivered her first the day before Rory was born) refused to believe the (soon-to-be) boss when he mentioned post-interview that I was pregnant. Being 5'8" and wearing a loose jacket were significant. By 8-months, it was pretty unmistakeable.
you're able to knock people up across the internet??
Virility over Internet Protocol, yes.
I can also restore women's virginity over the internet, but I have to charge for that.
39: They aren't called Virtual Private Networks for nothing, you know. Tunnel of Love.
The intertubes are really just Apo's vas deferens? That would certainly explain some links.
One of my testes sent me sperm last Friday, I received it Wednesday! Tangled up tubes.
I can also restore women's virginity over the internet, but I have to charge for that.
Apo's milkshake brings all the women to the inter-yard.
The dorm across the street from me, my freshman year, featured a woman who was, IIRC, on the soccer team who gave birth in the suite bathroom because she didn't know she was pregnant and then, pop, there it was. Actually, UNC featured several of those sorts of cases during my time there but I've always kind of chalked it up to American Puritanism working in concert with Southern reality filters.
All the women who played basketball with whom I ever had classes were insanely skinny. I don't see how they could have possibly hidden a pregnancy. Is there - he asked in sincere, naive good faith - something about being an extremely hard-working athlete that would lead to lower birth weight? I imagine a top-performing athlete's body demands a huge amount of nutrients all on its own.
At UVa, the women on the basketball team were all solidly built.
Is there - he asked in sincere, naive good faith - something about being an extremely hard-working athlete that would lead to lower birth weight? I imagine a top-performing athlete's body demands a huge amount of nutrients all on its own.
Athletes do tend to deliver slightly lower weight babies, but it doesn't appear to be a diverting-nutrients-unhealthy-baby thing. I think the average is 7 lbs instead of 8 lbs, I read somewhere.
I don't think maternal weight gain is closely tied to birth weight of the baby -- you get those awful cases of insanely intense morning sickness, where the mother can't keep food down for nine months and ends up being nourished by IV, and the babies come out fine. But I'd think you'd still have a bump -- the baby's got to be someplace.
In my HS a cheerleader friend of my sister cheerled while visibly pregnant (acknowledging nothing and ignoring the gossip), had the baby during Xmas break, finished school, and married the guy (a basketball star) and lived happily ever after, except that the couple now seems to be survivalist. And that was without question the best basketball team in the history of my school (1967 I think). Draw your own conclusions.
Roughly 15% of my sister's lady classmates in HS got pregnant. People should measure America's decline from that moment, because pregnancywise things have been getting better ever since.
As I've said, one of my sils had a double-barreled uterus and continued to menstruate throughout. She and others noticed her gaining weight, but she was a big girl and nobody was sure -- including her, because she was in denial (and culturally Catholic). Nobody really knew, including her, until the labor pains began.
In my HS a cheerleader friend of my sister cheerled while visibly pregnant (acknowledging nothing and ignoring the gossip), had the baby during Xmas break, finished school, and married the guy (a basketball star) and lived happily ever after, except that the couple now seems to be survivalist. And that was without question the best basketball team in the history of my school (1967 I think). Draw your own conclusions.
Roughly 15% of my sister's lady classmates in HS got pregnant. People should measure America's decline from that moment, because pregnancywise things have been getting better ever since.
As I've said, one of my sils had a double-barreled uterus and continued to menstruate throughout. She and others noticed her gaining weight, but she was a big girl and nobody was sure -- including her, because she was in denial (and culturally Catholic). Nobody really knew, including her, until the labor pains began.
Emerson, you're posting as Minne again.
"Minneapolitan" is often me. I'm down visiting and forget to change the default sometimes.
As I've said, one of my sils had a double-barreled uterus and continued to menstruate throughout.
What? A double-barreled uterus??
Oh, it was Emerson's sil. Then it makes sense.
53: I know a woman with two uteri.
55: You can't just tease us with the first line of a limerick.
"Ipsilateral" is officially the best word ever. My project for the day is to find something I can describe as ipsilateral.
Thanks for educating me. My only second-hand experience of pregnancy is via my sister, who is an Amazon and whose experiences were, I am told, not representative of most women's but I'm not really sure in what way. My own understanding of it all is of course clouded and academic, much like the indirect detection of planets around other stars.
Pregnancy does, IME, do wonders for one's ability to blot out the sun.
Or subtly alter the orbital trajectories of heavenly bodies.
Or subtly alter the orbital trajectories of heavenly bodies
But lots of women recover their trajectories after the birth.
Robusto is obviosuly speaking metaphorically. his sister is like:
1. And enormous online book vendor
2. A mounted archer with one breast and no penis
3. The world's largest river by volume.
2 doesn't seem at all likely, but I can't choose between 1 and 3.
enormous online book vendor
She may have put on a little weight during pregnancy but she can still something something joke involving "kindle."
There was a case in the UK recently of a soldier who gave birth in the barracks. Not only had she concealed the pregnancy for the full term, continuing to perform all duties including physical training, but she then concealed the baby successfully in the barracks for some days.
It's like something from the 18th century...
My friend's sister hid her pregnancy - he saw her about a fortnight before she gave birth (in her bedroom - her parents found out when she woke them up with a freshly-born baby in her arms), and said she looked hte same as ever.
Another friend of mine barely grew during her first pregnancy - she could have hidden/denied it easily. By the end, she had to leave the button undone on her jeans. Don't think she bought maternity clothes until baby 3 or 4.
And of course there are always those infanticide stories about girls who conceal pregnancies until the end (and give birth inconspicuously, which seems just as unlikely). I know it happens, but I can't quite see how.
67 - I know, and honestly, with my friend's sister, if I didn't actually know him, I'd find it hard to believe the story. He was one of my then boyfriend's best friends, and we saw him one day, and he said, "My sister's had a baby!" To which we replied, "You mean, she's *going* to have a baby." But no, she had just had it.
And of course there are always those infanticide stories about girls who conceal pregnancies until the end (and give birth inconspicuously, which seems just as unlikely)
Ahem.
But no, she had just had it.
Maybe that was just her story. Maybe the birth mother's story was "I just had to take three months off school for nervous exhaustion, that's all". Many up and coming young women try to avoid stressing their bits by adopting.
I think that one thing that can affect the ability to hide a pregnancy is how wide you are in the hips, because instead of of projecting forward you can almost spread out. I've known two women who, in their 8th month looked perhaps like they were 4 or 5 months pregnant, and they were also fairly slender people, if wide-hipped. I could see that being much easier to hide.
My s-i-l claimed not to know that she was pregnant until her 6th month. I saw her in her 8th month, and you could still barely tell. She was maybe 5 feet tall, and probably about 95 pounds before pregnancy. But the baby was super tiny when it was born, so I guess it just didn't take up a lot of room.
This thread has convinced me that any one of us could be unknowingly pregnant and that we could all possibly go into labor at any moment! Everyone better go to the hospital, just in case.
Oh, and LB, if you like the word ipsilateral, you should come over to neuroscience. We use it all the time. Not nearly as much as contralateral, though, given the way the brain is set up.
This thread has convinced me that any one of us could be unknowingly pregnant
'Cept me!
Ah, but you forget that it's possible to be unknowingly pregnant at the same time as you are knowingly pregnant. Just wait till that one sneaks up on you some day.
When giving directions:
The bus station is on Stuart Street. It is ipsilateral to the Park Sq. building.
76. Jest not. It happened to a friend of mine, who had proudly budgeted ahead of time for one. And then, around 4-5 months, she had a scan and what do you know...
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Madoff has announced he's going to plead guilty. They say he could get 150 years. No enough.
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No kidding. It's a shame that there are no longer sentences of 20 lashes and consignment to the stocks for a week.
20 lashes and consignment to the stocks for a week.
Glad to help!
80.1 is not a sentence.
/Ben
He wanted a longer sentence, Sifu.
That's "Twenty Singapore-style strokes with a rattan cane and public humiliation in the form of being locked into the stocks somewhere where people can mock him and throw fruit at him for seven days and seven nights."
80 is more fun if you use secondary meanings for the words.
But I'll give you a chance to redeem yourself: any good reason to tag along with one's spouse on a business trip to Samoa? To my great disgust, her job is pwning our spring break plans. We've pretty much decided to wait and do something fun later, but could still change course if I'm missing something spectacular about Samoa.
Also on the travel front: just checked prices for a possible trip to the west coast in late April and came up with $298 on the first try. I haven't seen
...that in a very long time.
Dunno what happened there.
85: American Samoa, or Samoa the country? I've never been to American Samoa other than to change planes, so everything I know applies to Samoa the country mostly.
Um, you already live in Hawai'i. Samoa, physically, isn't that far off a less developed version of Hawai'i -- tall volcanic islands about the same latitude south that Hawai'i is north. If the idea of seeing an 'unspoiled' version of Hawai'i seems like something you'd want, then it might be worth it for nature hiking or something. (If you end up going, I can point you to specific sights as far as I remember them, but there's nothing particular I'd get on a plane for. Lots of very pretty places, but nothing lifechanging.)
It's not a great place for a cushy vacation -- the nice hotels aren't interestingly nice, or weren't when I was there. If you're into Polynesian culture, you can probably see stuff that's... pretty similar to what you could probably see in Hawai'i, somewhat more authentic and less polished.
I don't really know what to say. If it wasn't way too expensive, and a very very long flight, I'd go back, but that's out of sentimentality. I wouldn't really pick it as a vacation destination.
On the other hand, it's not a big trip for you. If she's got to go anyway, why not.
I am sitting here looking down at my unpregnant self and truly cannot imagine how I would be able to hide a pregnancy past, oh, month five at the latest. Where on earth would it go?
87: Thanks. That's pretty much what I've been thinking. I'd go if I had more vacation time to burn, but as it is I'm pretty sure I'd rather do other things with the time I've got.
somewhat more authentic
You disappoint me, LB.
Erm, more spontaneous? Not performances put on only for tourists?
77: . And then, around 4-5 months, she had a scan and what do you know...
In my friend's case, the doctor (Max Miracle, real name) said "Damn! There's another one in there.
The twins are alive and well and stiill waiting for their Exxon Valdez settlement, their father having died waiting. They're in their mid-to-late thirties and both have kids. If you want jusatice in this world, wou have to think long-term.
I think I could get away with hiding a pregnancy for a long time. As it is, I go for long stretches only being seen in schlumpy sweaters and loose trousers. Nobody would bring it up because they'd assume I'd just been eating a lot of salty foods. OTOH, if I stopped drinking, people would comment.
When I stopped drinking, my honey's brother straight-up asked whether I was pregnant.
My friend is currently 28 weeks pregnant, has told hardly anyone, and to look at her you still wouldn't be sure whether she was pregnant or just on the heavier end of her weight range. I think she'll move into "can assume she's pregnant without offending her" territory soon though. But she's only just told her 8 year old, who presumably sees her more undraped than I do.
I think she'll move into "can assume she's pregnant without offending her"
OTOH, at 28 weeks it sounds like she might hit "can assume that's her baby she's carrying around" first.
Yeah, that might well be true! The funniest thing is that she hasn't told any of our online friends (we're very close IRL now, but I met her first online), and so while the real people she knows at least get a chance to guess, but if she carries on like this, there are going to be a lot of people that think they know her reasonably well, whose first inkling will probably be a photo of a newborn on Brightkite. I can't wait!
