Re: A Fridge Full Of Elitism

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Arugula pesto is pretty tasty.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 5:49 PM
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ARUGULA PUDDING
ARUGULA SHORTCAKE
ARUGULAS FOSTER
CHOCOLATE COVERED FROZEN ARUGULA


Posted by: OPINIONATED GRANDMA | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 5:50 PM
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turuguducken


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 5:52 PM
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Most Emailed Stories at NY Times:

1. Obamas to Plant White House Vegetable Garden
2. Obamas to Plant Vegetable Garden at White House


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 5:53 PM
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I knew it.


Posted by: beamish | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 5:54 PM
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10 lbs? God, I thought I was drowning in greens with my CSA.

The pesto is a good idea because it freezes, so you don't actually have to consume it right this second. You could also have dinner with a lot of people and make one of those arugula/creamy pasta sauces, or use it as a pizza topping.

Actually, you should just have a dinner party and have arugula everything. Arugula pesto crostini and arugula vichyssoise to start. An arugula pizza or pasta for a main course with of course a salad featuring arugula (and some fruit?). No idea how you would work it into dessert, though.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 5:57 PM
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Oh, and something I've been meaning to do with my excess kale is to try making "kale chips" - mix shorn bits of kale with olive oil and salt and bake until kale is crisp. I bet you could do that with arugula too.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 5:58 PM
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It gets all little if you braise it.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 6:01 PM
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Let's see, if you wilt 10 pounds of arugula that gets you just about a bucket full of arugula. I think it's obvious where to go from there.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 6:01 PM
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Elizabeth Schneider recommends chilled arugula-potato soup with buttermilk (the vichyssoise above), a variety of arugula salads, a beautiful look "spaghetti con rucula e ricotta" (basically, pesto), a greek stew with navy beans and plum tomatoes, and then an insane recipe for arugula noodle (prepare like spinach pasta) to be served with tomato sauce and garlic puree.

Schneider also recommends using all of your argula within a day or two. Good luck!


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 6:02 PM
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You could dissolve it and put into the water supply, and then measure the effect it has on the margin of democratic victory.

P.S. Whenever I hear of the urban elites' alleged predilection for this vegetable, I think of these hypothetical elites as "arugala goyem".


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 6:11 PM
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in the uk arugula is known as "rocket"

this makes it much easier to cook with


Posted by: tierce de lollardie | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 6:13 PM
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When life gives you arugula, make arugulade.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 6:13 PM
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Provide forage for ponies.


Posted by: ari | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 6:15 PM
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I think if you're American, you should refer to it as rocket. That puts that extra Anglophile gloss of elitism on it.

There's a recipe in Chez Panisse Vegetables for a Pasta, Potatoes and Arugula recipe that's really pretty good - I think that this is the same thing.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 6:15 PM
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Arugoulash, with grass-fed beef, shallots, Szechuan peppercorns, kale, scapes and heirloom tomatos.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 6:16 PM
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How similar is arugula to Yellow rocket, which my dad took great pride in knowing was edible, and would pull out of the ground and chomp on to impress people?


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 6:20 PM
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Add loads of it at the end of cooking a simple tomato sauce.

Pizza!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 6:20 PM
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Mail it to Armsmasher.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 6:21 PM
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you can give it away to other people, neighbours f.e
our custom is to give away to neighbours whatever one has too much and it's perishable, and then they give back something inside the bowl
instead of all arugula you can have at least 5 other things


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 6:22 PM
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17: They are both Brassicaceae - so, uh, I'd say somewhat closely? My botany is not very strong.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 6:24 PM
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Use it to hide your shame when sunbathing.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 6:25 PM
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(I'm way too excited about having a thread where I can comment without worrying about grievously offending anyone).


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 6:25 PM
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"The genus Brassica is remarkable for containing more important agricultural and horticultural crops than any other genus. It also includes a number of weeds..."

i think brassicaceae includes brassica (not the other way round) -- this is my dad's territory not mine


Posted by: tierce de lollardie | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 6:27 PM
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It's fitting that two different people would recommend an arugala vichyssoise, since you swipple elites are basically a bunch of islamist collaborators.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 6:30 PM
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All I know about brassicas comes from a joke in Curse of the Wererabbit.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 6:31 PM
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Teenage boys are legendarily inept when it comes to harvesting brassicas.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 6:33 PM
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Arugala probably can be substituted for turnips, then. But not parsnips.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 6:33 PM
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salad of all the nips


Posted by: tierce de lollardie | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 6:34 PM
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Seasonal vegetables are the shits. You crave sweet corn and fresh tomatoes 51 weeks of the year and are sick of them after 1.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 6:35 PM
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I do not believe that 'smasher purchased 10 lbs. of arugula, even if he forgot he was going out of town. That's crazy-person behavior.

(Pesto.)

Armsmasher's imagined online dating profile: I have been known to bring home 10 lbs. of arugula, so you need to be okay with that.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 6:36 PM
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I could probably eat rocket and parmesan salad (and nothing else) for about 2 days. I don't know what that is in pounds though.

And as an aside, I forgot the dog in the car tonight. I went out with C and my dad (to this - was wizard cocksucker), leaving the kids and the dog with my mum. Dropped my dad off, collected dog, left the kids to stay for the night. Got home, parked few yards up the street, got out, locked car, walked to house. Was about to open door - oh, no dog! If I hadn't remembered then, I think I could have quite easily have left him there all night.


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 6:37 PM
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something


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 6:42 PM
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10 lbs? It doesn't weigh that much... did it take up the whole Flophouse?


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 6:45 PM
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Cream of arugula soup with lobster crème fraiche. Eat it to fortify yourself for a long evening of pesto-making.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 6:48 PM
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The thing is, though, I've made arugula pesto, and you don't want to make it straight (in my opinion) -- not just arugula for the green. That can be a bit much. At least a couple of batches should really be cut with some other greens.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 6:55 PM
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23 i like Parenthetical, she doesn't sound like she is that frightenly competent and agressively opinionated about everything in the world, very nice


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 6:57 PM
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Thanks, read. I can certainly attest to the fact that I am not frighteningly competent. Or even all that competent, in general!


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 7:00 PM
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At least a couple of batches should really be cut with some other greens.

Good news: 'Smasher also bought 35 lbs. or spinach.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 7:00 PM
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23: (I'm way too excited about having a thread where I can comment without worrying about grievously offending anyone).

What? You think we're all such delicate flowers that we're in danger of being *grievously* offended by something someone wrote on a blog? I mean, really ...


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 7:00 PM
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40: Damn, pwned by read.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 7:01 PM
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40: Hah!

Aren't we all delicate flowers when it comes to the internet, though?


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 7:02 PM
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42.2: Not me!!


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 7:06 PM
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Yeah. Treat it like spinach. Which means (as above)... potato soup, pesto (lots so it can be frozen), baked rocket works. You could make spanokopeta, using the argula instead of spinach. I like feta. Anyways, that'll use lots of spinach because you're supposed to use the precooked frozen stuff, so that ought to be good for a coupla pounds. In fact! You could wash and quick boil about 5 pounds of the stuff, drain it and split it up between ziplocks, 10 oz at a time. That would solve half your problem. A panzella would be cool. (Closest version I can find to Bugialli's pasta version.)

max
['This should be no big problem.']


Posted by: max | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 7:11 PM
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Fuck off, Stormcrow.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 7:11 PM
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Spanakopita. Spinach pie. You can't make spinach pie with arugula. Can you?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 7:12 PM
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Huh, I've never bothered to look up what arugula was until this thread. I don't really care for it.


Posted by: David Weman | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 7:14 PM
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Good news: 'Smasher also bought 35 lbs. or spinach.

To go with the 500 pounds of butchered beef from the half cow.

max
['There's a reason he's called armsmasher; he lugs all this stuff home by himself.']


Posted by: max | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 7:14 PM
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I think that arugula tastes a little closer to dandelion than spinach. You could make arugula wine, perhaps.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 7:14 PM
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Do you Americans make spinach soup?

Spinach soups and boiled eggs is yummy.


Posted by: David Weman | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 7:17 PM
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It just taste like ordinary salad, but drier and bitterer.


Posted by: David Weman | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 7:19 PM
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38 i didn't meant to question your competency in your work or culinary, just said what i thought of competence in everything, it's like impossible
it's interesting to listen to people's musings about whatever, just their raw thoughts, not something what is already discovered, written and repeated elsewhere and accepted as general knowledge
i mean i like things silly and funny, life is problematic enough to want it weight more down with some imagined or not offences, perhaps


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 7:19 PM
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Heebie, if you're reading, did you get my mail?


Posted by: David Weman | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 7:20 PM
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52: Oh, no I didn't think you were - I was trying to be silly and light-hearted in return!

(And I amuse myself by making fun of myself. It's endless entertainment!)


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 7:21 PM
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45: It is what it is.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 7:24 PM
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Do you Americans make spinach soup?

Oh my god, Becks, you could make Ash-e Mast! It requires a bunch of spinach. It's basically lentil soup with beef dumplings and spinach and yoghurt and rice. Every food group! Recommended for invalids!


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 7:50 PM
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Do you Americans make spinach soup?

Oh man. There's a restaurant in my college town that makes the most incredible spinach bisque. God, I need to make a trip back!


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 7:52 PM
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I'm checking out a sparkling wine from New Mexico, Gruet Brut. first swallow, meh. Second swallow, hmmm. Rest of the glass, mmmm. Second glass, Yeehah!
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Posted by: mcmc | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 7:53 PM
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Do you Americans make spinach soup?

Yes. The soup I mentioned earlier was based on the last spinach soup I had, and good God was it delicious.

The best thing about ten pounds of arugula might be the 35 pounds of spinach you'd need to cut it, as JRoth suggested above. Can a person eat too much spinach?


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 7:54 PM
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Can a person eat too much spinach?

With effort, probably.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 8:06 PM
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I just ate an entire loaf of bread.

Bad idea!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 8:12 PM
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Bad idea!

But good execution, apparently.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 8:15 PM
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Yeasty Nosflow. Ask your doctor.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 8:19 PM
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Terminator and Dollhouse fricking rocked tonight. The fulfillment of promise.

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Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 8:20 PM
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I didn't know you could make pesto out of arugula. Does it taste like spreadable pepper?


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 8:25 PM
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"arugala goyem"

Beware the Arugala Golem!!


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 8:28 PM
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The Arugula Golem of Tribeca was instructed to add fresh-ground pepper to the lardo and did so relentlessly, until all the diners choked to death on pepper dust.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 8:32 PM
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Battlestar Galactica: um. Hmm. Huh.

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Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 9:25 PM
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68: SHHHHHHHHHH. I have to wait for it to come out on Itunes!

(But is that hmm in a bad way?)


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 9:28 PM
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OK, I won't give anything away, but:

The "um" is the negative one. The "hmm" is "this is going to take a while to think through". The "huh" is "no, really wasn't expecting that".

I think I could be mostly satisfied with the episode if I could edit out ten to fifteen minutes worth of scenes that are scattered over the last 30 to 40 minutes of the episode. Maybe it could be salvaged with even less cutting than that. But there are just a few "oh wow, what could they have been thinking?" moments, mostly in the service of one really unfortunate conceit that seems to have been inserted just for a "look how clever we are!" effect that fails miserably.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 9:41 PM
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70: Hm, sounds like my reaction to much of the fourth season. Thanks for the recap without giving anything away!


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 9:46 PM
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Oops:

Alas, when the PM settled down to begin watching them the other night, he found there was a problem.

The films only worked in DVD players made in North America and the words "wrong region" came up on his screen. Although he mournfully had to put the popcorn away, he is unlikely to jeopardise the special relationship - or "special partnership", as we are now supposed to call it - by registering a complaint.

What do I win?

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Posted by: fedward | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 10:17 PM
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Hey fedward, I don't know if you saw that Stanley updated the D.C. thread. Pass it along if you run into Minivet, togolosh, or will.

You win a meet-up!


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 10:29 PM
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I would probably be able to make it on the 28th.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 10:37 PM
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75: Excellent!


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 10:38 PM
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Who says it was an accident? This shit is chess, not checkers.


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 10:38 PM
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72: Wait, the Lapdog of the Free World can't go on the internet and google a software hack for his DVD player? Surely Q or someone could help him out.


Posted by: minneapolitan | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 10:42 PM
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Re: neither arugula nor incompatible technology

This is the beer place I was thinking of. Owned by the Brickskeller people. Anyone been? I don't know anymore what a Saturday night is like in that neighborhood.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 10:52 PM
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78: The true measure of the fall of an empire.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 10:53 PM
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78:Is that illegal or a violation of the scary words on the box or otherwise a mortal sin against IP rights? Serious question about the Region codes.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 10:54 PM
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Two favorite things for arugala:
Aimple salad tossed with olive oil, salt, pepper and a splashlet of red wine vinegar
As an herb to add to fresh spring rolls along with mint and basil

Neither of this will help with volume, but mix yourself an arugalini and you'll come up with something.

Also, you people, with your southern latitudes and growing things...


Posted by: JPool | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 11:16 PM
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Great suggestions! I'm hoping next time we end up with a million tons of spinach, though. I like that green better.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 11:21 PM
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I don't know why I didn't think of it before, but an arugula eau de vie might be interesting.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 11:21 PM
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Not that I'm looking this gift green in the mouth. It's made healthying up a dish a lot easier by having it all on hand. Last night, I threw a bunch into some couscous with a little olive oil and parmasean. Easy peasy.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 11:23 PM
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83: Greenist.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 11:24 PM
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An arugula eau de vie would be toxic.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 11:37 PM
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I'd hope so.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 11:39 PM
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Actually the word I wanted to write was "caustic", but "toxic" works too.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 11:49 PM
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Make some pizza dough. Spread with a paste made of roast garlic and a wee bit of anchovy and bake it. Put very lightly dressed arugula on there in a small heap. Fold and eat.


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 11:49 PM
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Make streamers using a dark green thread to join the leaves together.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 11:53 PM
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All eau de vie is toxic in to some extent. That said, a liqueur might be better, with some sweetness to take the bitter edge off. Probably not worth the effort, in any case.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 03-20-09 11:54 PM
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I find that I'm inclined to take Turgid's comments more seriously now that he's a Ph.D.


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 03-21-09 12:00 AM
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well that IS why I went to grad school.


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 03-21-09 12:02 AM
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If you mean that it's toxic because it's alcoholic, sure. But some is hardly caustic at all. Arugula probably doesn't have enough sugar to ferment anyway.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-21-09 12:02 AM
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Well, no. You would steep it in distillate and re-distill. Then maybe steep a little more.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 03-21-09 12:05 AM
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94: Oh REALLY Dr. Jacobian! That is so fascinating. It's just such a privilege to have someone of your intellect around here.


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 03-21-09 12:06 AM
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A Geist, not a Brand. Had I my druthers we wouldn't call the former eaux de vie at all.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-21-09 12:06 AM
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Great, now I want arugula pizza. Thanks a lot, Dr. TJ.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 03-21-09 12:08 AM
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Look I'm not going I hire either of you. Especially not until you learn to deconstruct a pizza properly.


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 03-21-09 12:12 AM
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98: Likewise, but who knows from Geist?


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 03-21-09 12:13 AM
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100: Dude, I've totally got that one down.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 03-21-09 12:13 AM
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Hegel, and he's dead.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-21-09 12:15 AM
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Well then, eau de vie it is. As Marx said to Hegel, bottoms up!


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 03-21-09 12:18 AM
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You know what's a really gross candy bar? Violet Crumble. Biting into a bar is weirdly screechy, like you'd imagine biting chalk would be, except that it's also unsatisfyingly weightless, like foam. And it tastes exactly like caramel flavored additives.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 03-21-09 12:33 AM
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Yep, bloody Dr TJ has made me want rocket pizza too. And it's breakfast time.

I'm watching BSG tonight - friends are coming round to join us for it; I think I'll make a curry ... or two ...


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 03-21-09 4:14 AM
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a) Go out and adopt a bunny. Name it something frightfully pretentious, then feed it arugula, but only if Armsmasher bought organic arugula. Then write purple prose Modern Love column all about how arugula-fed bunny caused epiphany, made you realise that we are all little furry creatures in search of someone who will feed us arugula. Take payment from NYT and buy lots of alcoholic beverages for party celebrating pwnage of NYT.

b) I've got a DVD player that will play US DVDs, PAL, .avi files and any regional DVD. It cost about $50. Why doesn't someone just buy the man a new DVD player?


Posted by: DominEditrix | Link to this comment | 03-21-09 7:03 AM
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107.a omits the step where you eat the bunny, and gain its elitist powers.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-21-09 8:04 AM
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Semi-pwned by 108: In 107.a, remember to sleep with someone whose bunnies are carnivorous, whom you leave/are left by after an intense affair but recall with yearning and a hint of revulsion (toss lightly).


Posted by: bill | Link to this comment | 03-21-09 8:28 AM
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Cook thick-cut brown-sugar bacon in pan (lots--save leftovers for BATs tomorrow). Remove to towel or rack. In bacon fat, cook two-three cloves of thinly sliced garlic until slightly brown. Remove garlic and let drain until crisp. Heat remaining bacon fat to near smoking. Place 1-2 lbs Arugula in a large bowl with bacon (chopped/broken into 1-inch pieces), a diced red bell pepper, sliced fresh mozarella, and maybe half a minced shallot. Pour bacon fat over contents of bowl and then quickly turn the contents with tongs to allow the arugla to wilt and the rest of the contents to be coated. Plate, drizzle with balsamic vinegar, et voila.

Alternate: instead of mozarella, place one poached egg on top of each serving.


Posted by: Chopper | Link to this comment | 03-21-09 8:28 AM
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Do we know in what field Dr. TF acquire his doctorosity? Sorry if I missed it in another thread.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 03-21-09 8:50 AM
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Opps, Dr. TJ. But I only have a master's, so.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 03-21-09 8:51 AM
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112: Applied physics, although we suspect that to be a euphemism for Astrology.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-21-09 9:56 AM
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I had this same arugula problem a while back and ended up making a quiche. You can fit a LOT of arugula into a quiche, and, by adding a fresh cheese (ricotta is what I used, but fresh goat would be great too) to the eggs, you balance out the bitter sharpness of the arugula. It reheats well too.

Also, because I was just making it for myself and didn't feel like cleaning up flour all over the place, I didn't make a crust; I just cut slices of bread to fit the bottom of the pan, brushed them with olive oil, seasoned with salt, pepper, and crushed pepper flakes, and tossed it in the oven to toast while I made the filling. It gives the bottom of the quiche a nice crust without being flaky pastry, which ends up making me feel a little ill in the morning as it is.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 03-21-09 9:57 AM
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wow, greedy people, ah?
won't give away any of their arugula
astrology sounds great, good horoskope to read is, like, equals to the seance of psychotherapy i think


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 03-21-09 10:02 AM
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wow, greedy people, ah? won't give away any of their arugula

I'd be willing to lend it, at a sufficiently profitable interest rate.


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i agree only to barter, all that interest stuff is like morally wrong and the cause of all this economic havoc, but it's funny you give 1lbs arugula and it returns like doubled
the custom requires if you send away something in the container, bowl, plate whatever, the bowl/plate should not be returned empty, it's like a request of barter, unspoken
if it's just in the plastic bag, paper wrap etc it's just purely altruistic giving away


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all that interest stuff is like morally wrong and the cause of all this economic havoc

I was thinking about this attitude the other day; I had a good friend in high school whose mom (from China) was completely anti-investment, because to her it was the equivalent of gambling. I'm curious about this worldview, and how far it goes: is it just as bad to (say) put up capital so that your brother-in-law can open a store, assuming that you feel like the store will do well? What about opening a store with your own money, but that will be staffed by paid employees? In either case you're relying on somebody else's labor to get a return on your money, but my intuition is that the former case would have been regarded by my friend's mother as morally questionable, whereas the latter case would not have. What do you think, read? Does that sound about right?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-21-09 10:22 AM
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the seance of psychotherapy

What does this mean? Google returns 7 results for "seance of psychotherapy", three from .ru domains, which makes me wonder if it's an attempt to translate some idiom that makes sense in Russian and not in English.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 03-21-09 10:23 AM
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all that interest stuff is like morally wrong and the cause of all this economic havoc,

Anti-semite!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-21-09 10:23 AM
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122 can't possibly end well.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-21-09 10:24 AM
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Oh, right, probably "seance" in the original French sense of "session".


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 03-21-09 10:25 AM
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121: see, I had probably the same initial reaction, but then chose to just let the awesome wash over me.

123: it is impossible to say.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-21-09 10:26 AM
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Yeah, much more fun to imagine Sigmund Freud raising the spirits of the dead. That's how he learned the truth about Moses.


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123: I' bet you you posted it completely reflexively, so you are clearly not responsible for any consequences.


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i thought seance is the synonym of session
if you have profit from interests, doesn't it mean that someone has to loose somewhere, to give you that your profit, it's like gambling all this stock market and i don't know anything about it just feel it's based on something unfair
what if your stock markets flourish on somebody's slave labour somewhere distant places, if they were paid their fair price of their labor, there won't be anything left to pay you your interest, is my crude understanding of economics and perhaps that's not how economies run
in the case of the store, to take interest from kin is kinda strange, if you have spare money why just lend it without interest, just like to help somebody or lend it with minimal interest adjusted to some inflation rates or whatever, so that it's not a too much burden for the person who loaned
if that person feels gratitute and wants to repay your more, i'm okay with that
well, i think it's all like a very communist talk and won't make much sense in real life perhaps


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 03-21-09 10:55 AM
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Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 03-21-09 10:57 AM
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Takes money to make money, baby. If my mom can't stand the heat of the interest rate, she should have thought twice before coming to me to help her fund her sorry-ass little bakery.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-21-09 10:58 AM
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i thought seance is the synonym of session

Seance, in English, is usually used to mean an attempt to communicate with dead people.

As far as the other stuff, thanks for clarifying. That's about what I figured.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-21-09 11:00 AM
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why not to lend, i meant,


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 03-21-09 11:00 AM
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Sifu's so cute when he's being earnest.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 03-21-09 11:02 AM
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134: my frat's very devoted to public service.


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131: Shorter heebie: I have residual hostility from the not-very-hurt-girl-saved-by-cruncherinos incident. Probably a hormonal thing.

(Q: How do you make a hormone?
A: Lecture her on gender-based asymmetries of power.)


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135: I hear if you have like a lot of community service hours it can help you get into Dartmouth.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 03-21-09 11:08 AM
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JP WANTS TO INCURE MY WRATH.


Posted by: INHORMONATED HEEBIE | Link to this comment | 03-21-09 11:18 AM
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We have islamic banks here that don't give interest. I assume that means they don't charge interest either? I don't know.


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re: 139

They have some complicated fee systems. They do profit from banking, but in ways which don't count as usury.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_banking


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 03-21-09 11:46 AM
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Perhaps Stanley or someone could bump the DC meetup thread? It's not even on the front page now.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 03-21-09 4:24 PM
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I'm going to let the others be witty and cavalier since I just woke up.

Seconding the quiche and pesto recommendations, though I really only like basil pesto. Arugula pesto tastes like basil pesto after the plants have bolted.

But I love, lurve, luv, wilted arugula as a side dish, or hell, by itself. You can wilt a pound at a time and end up with just enough to serve two people a hearty helping. Just throw it in a medium-hot pan with olive oil and salt and pepper it. Delicious.


Posted by: Lauren | Link to this comment | 03-22-09 9:34 AM
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Recommended for invalids!

I would like to note that this just cracked my ass up.

Also, yes to the boiling and freezing in small bags. Imagine all the things that could be done! The problem of having too many choices is to put most of them on hold, and this nicely does that.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 03-22-09 10:53 AM
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Somewhat related: We had dandelion green salad last night, which was surprisingly good (it also had fennel, radishes and shallots, but it was mostly dandelion). Until I deal with the weeds in the yard—accursed lawn—I guess we'll have estate-grown produce.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 03-22-09 1:12 PM
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To be fair, I just put in an order for (1) with the farmer. Not knowing that (1) was one ginormous crate's worth. I will in the future order (1/10th) if possible. Or set up an arugula co-op. Oh, the problems in Obama's America!


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 03-22-09 6:24 PM
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McManus was right, in 64: latest Dollhouse rocked.


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 03-22-09 8:10 PM
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Having been lukewarm about the one episode I had seen and the random other five-minutes-here-and-there I'd caught, I happened to catch Friday's and fully concur with 64 and 146. This is at least in small part because it had a lot of shirtless Helo.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 7:46 AM
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147: Truth.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 8:55 AM
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Can you still donate it to http://arugula.barackobama.com/?

in the uk arugula is known as "rocket"

Suddenly everything did that awfully slow swimming into focus thing. Rocket. Right. Ye gods, not just an idiotic culture war sneer, but one imported from the British Sunday papers of 1996 or thereabouts.


Posted by: Alex | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 9:33 AM
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Really? Rocket is a sign of cultural elitism in Britain too? Does it get hyphenated, like, "Rocket-munching, latte-sipping," etc?


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150. Just like that.


Posted by: OneFatEnglishman | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 9:55 AM
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This weekend's vegetable adventure for me: Baby bok choy (huge bags under a buck from the vietnamese bodega!) + lots of garlic + bacon + a little chicken broth. My version of a chinese peasant favorite. Googling the main ingredient, ?乾, suggests ginger too.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 9:58 AM
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Is a rocket-carpet-muncher an elitist bisexual?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 10:00 AM
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And what rocket and lattes have in common is neither are especially nice.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 10:01 AM
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154. Lattes, agreed, but rocket's OK if you disguise it with enough lemon and parmi.


Posted by: OneFatEnglishman | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 10:03 AM
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I like lattes, but not on my carpet.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 10:03 AM
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Apostropher recommended a pork, blue cheese and dried cranberry salad over wilted arugala that was delicious.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 10:07 AM
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Zucchini/courgette is another example of the "Yanks derive from Italian, Brits derive from French" habit when it comes to vegetables.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 10:09 AM
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If you watch a DVD on a Mac, you can decide which country code you want it to use. Unfortunately, you can only switch it so many times.

I hate that damn regional encoding.


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154 and 155 are just plain wrong. About the rocket, anyway.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 10:12 AM
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Another thing that rocket and latte have in common is that neither of them should be pronounced with a French e-acute "ay" sound at the end, but both of them can be if you are a cunt.


Posted by: dsquared | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 10:21 AM
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152: Baby bok choy is great, and incredibly cheap at Asian markets; napa cabbage likewise. It drives me nuts that we get both from our CSA, when we could buy truckloads for next to nothing. Farmer Bill, shouldn't you be growing fennel and Belgian endive instead?

Unfortunately, you can only switch it so many times.

You can also use a ripping program (e.g. Mac the Ripper) that strips the encoding, enabling ou to get around the five-switch limit.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 10:23 AM
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+y


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 10:24 AM
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162: Good to know, but I was figuring that the British Prime Minister might not want to do that sort of thing.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 10:25 AM
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161: so wait, how do you pronounce latte?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 10:26 AM
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"rockay"?

I don't know how else to pronounce lattay, though. Am I a cunt?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 10:27 AM
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People say rock-ay? Twits.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 10:27 AM
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a French e-acute "ay" sound at the end, but both of them can be if you are a cunt.

Technically spelled cuntte, but no one pronounces it that way.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 10:27 AM
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161: rcoka-ay sounds extraordinarily pretentious, but how else are you supposed to pronounce latte?


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 10:27 AM
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165: CAW-fee with MILK.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 10:27 AM
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British spelling is so weird.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 10:28 AM
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rcoka-ay sounds extraordinarily pretentious

Yeah, especially with that guttural "rc" noise.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 10:29 AM
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Yeah, especially with that guttural "rc" noise.

I'm sorry, was I speaking Czech again?


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 10:30 AM
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I can see the Abbot and Costello routine as D2 tries to order a latte: "I'll have a lat." "You want a lot of coffee? Would you like a double shot of espresso, or a large size of cappucino, a latte, a mocha, or an americano?" "No, I want a lat." "I know you want a lot of coffee, but what exactly are you ordering?" And so on.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 10:30 AM
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Think how an Italian would say "Latte" (even better, how an Italian would say "Caffe Latte"). The accent is on the first syllable, and the "e" is halfway between a short e("eh") and the ghost-vowel at the end of "t". It is not a French drink called "Lat-TAY".

But basically, as ttaM says, you should really reconsider your reasons for ordering the fucking thing in the first place.


Posted by: dsquared | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 10:31 AM
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Orthographic metathesis is a serious condition, Sifu, and BG, who suffers from the chronic form, needs our support, not our mockery.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 10:31 AM
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that guttural "rc" noise

she was trying to indicate a French rolled "r" you peasant (which is indeed what some of the fearful types who say "rrrrockay" have occasionally been known to assette)


Posted by: dsquared | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 10:33 AM
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I'm starting to wonder what ttaM can be trusted on, food-wise: neither squash nor rice nor lettuces, apparently.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 10:33 AM
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Trying to pronounce "rcoka-ay" with a rolled sound at the beginning is making me sound like I have a hairball.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 10:35 AM
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"rocket" comes, the OED sez, "[a. F. roquette, ad. It. ruchetta, dim. of ruca:{em}L. ērūca a kind of cabbage. Hence also older Du. rocket(te.]". But one wouldn't pronounce "roquette" "rockettay".


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 10:35 AM
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What's wrong with coffee with hot milk?


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 10:35 AM
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178: feta, maybe?

I can't recall ever hearing latte pronounced with the second syllable emphasized. Quibbling over "eh" versus "ay" just seems silly; pronunciations change when words are borrowed.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 10:36 AM
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It's unmanly.


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I'm trying to imagine trying to hold my Italian friends to the precise English vowel sounds when they order food in English. I don't think it would work out very well.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 10:38 AM
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British people drink coffee?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 10:39 AM
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English vowel sounds have too much poetry for any such attempt to work, essear. That's probably why your friends would revolt. Precision would destroythe soul of the language.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 10:39 AM
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What's wrong with coffee with hot milk?

Why drink a watered (ok, milked) down cappuccino when you could just as easily have a proper one? Better yet, espresso if the place is any good at them. Odds aren't good for that, though.


Posted by: cawfee snawb | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 10:39 AM
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Precision would destroythe soul of the language.

The languagay.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 10:40 AM
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Sez Sifu Twee-tay.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 10:41 AM
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It's unmanly.

Oh, right. I'd forgotten that Scots and Welshmen are obligated to be 'hard', as they say.

What exactly is the point of cappuccino, anyway?


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 10:42 AM
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It's Heebyeh Geebyeh!


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 10:42 AM
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187 is correct, as is 161.


Posted by: Alex | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 10:44 AM
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It's a hypersnobism, is the problem with it - someone wants to appear snooty and as if they know how to pronounce a foreign word, but can't take the trouble to get it right. Compare my personal bugbear - the pronunciation of the champagne mark as "MoAY".


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It's Heebyeh Geebyeh!

I'm touring with Kanyeh.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 10:45 AM
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re: 178

I love rice. I also love coffee. Just not the latte form [too milky, usually]. Rocket I like-ish, but only in small quantities. A few leaves scattered through a salad are lovely, more than that, it's like eating dandelion...

Lettuce is good, too.

I do genuinely dislike veggies of the squash and okra families, though.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 10:45 AM
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I was referring to your dismissal of brown rice.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 10:46 AM
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(further to 193: of course the champagne houses are known as "grands marques" in French, but I was frankly terrified with what you lot might do to an innocent word like "marque").


Posted by: dsquared | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 10:47 AM
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I know a woman who spent about six months in the UK, which didn't have much affect on her Texan-accented English, except one time we were at a fancypants pizza place with a group of mutual friends and acquaintances and she kept exclaiming that she wanted to have ahhhtichoke hahhhts on hers. I believe dsquared's favorite noun squarely applies to her.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 10:48 AM
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It's pronounced "markway", right?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 10:48 AM
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It's a hypersnobism, is the problem with it - someone wants to appear snooty and as if they know how to pronounce a foreign word

If someone says LAT-tay, they're using the standard English pronunciation of the word (at least in the US), not wanting to appear snooty. This isn't like the people who order "vichy-SWAH".


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 10:49 AM
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198: "affect" s/b "effect". Her time in the UK definitely had an effect on her affect.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 10:50 AM
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It's 'marky', as in Marky Mark. Like what they have outside theaters.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 10:51 AM
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i was surprised people eat dandelion leaves according to google images, i thought maybe they eat the flowers
the first growing spring nettles when young, not stingy yet, are edible


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 10:53 AM
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Ah, yeah. Brown rice is not as good as white rice in all its infinite [long-grain, basmati, valpoli nano, arborio, paella rice, etc] varieties. But, given a choice between brown rice and no rice at all, I'd probably manage to eat the brown.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 10:54 AM
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What exactly is the point of cappuccino, anyway?

It's espresso with warm/textured milk, which can hide the sins of mediocre espresso but more positively it sweetens it a bit, and lasts longer.

As opposed to latte, which is warm milk with a bit of espresso. Typically a breakfast drink.


Posted by: cawfee snawb | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 10:57 AM
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204: It's touching that you're willing to work on your ingrained racism like that.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 10:58 AM
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Dandelion greens are pretty good.


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207: Sure, but I wouldn't want my sister to marry one.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 10:59 AM
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Yeah, but in large quantities, nastily bitter.

I've also had ersatz coffee made from roasted dandelion root. Long time ago, though, but I remember that being quite bitter, too.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 10:59 AM
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If someone says LAT-tay, they're using too many T's the standard English pronunciation of the word (at least in the US)


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I'm not even doing "206 to 208", Mai Tai. I'm not your puppet.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 11:00 AM
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This conversation is making me want a lat.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 11:00 AM
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211: Um, Sifu? That last word in your sentence is NOT pronounced poo-PAY.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 11:01 AM
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If someone says LAT-tay

I would probably not push a point with such a bird, but "Lah-TAY" is all too frequently heard and that is a line in the sand which I am prepared to die for. Every man has a cause for which he is prepared to give his life and this is mine. Are you really prepared to die for your pronunciation of "latte"? Well you'd better give up then.


Posted by: dsquared | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 11:03 AM
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I told you elitist bastards already, dandelion greens are good to eat. And lattes aren't necessarily warm milk with a bit of espresso. Friends don't let friends drink at Starbucks.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 11:03 AM
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I know people who order a cappuccino if they don't want to eat dessert but want something sweet to end a meal. I deprecate the habit, personally, but then I haven't allowed milk near my coffee for 50 years.


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The name "dandelion" derives from the French dents de lion, i.e. lion's tooth, so named because of the jaggy edges of the leaves. Of course, the French just call it "piss in bed" due to its diuretic effects.


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I'm not really a coffee snob at all. If other people like coffee with a lot of milk in it, that's fine, or if they want to drink 'breakfast' coffee in the evening, whatever they want. I just don't like it that way, personally.

The one coffee thing I'll die for, as per 214, is the assertion that Starbucks coffee is, objectively, shite. And people who defend it are engaged in some sort of reverse snobbery angle, or something, because how can they not have noticed ... that it is shite.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 11:06 AM
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I remember that Italian place in Soho serving up a pleasing cappuccino. I worked at L'Escargot fo a while and would often go there for a pre-shift pick-me-up.


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I like decent coffee black, but I rarely drink decent coffee, and it's amazing how not-so-terrible you can what is otherwise truly-godawful-shit by adding a little milk.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 11:08 AM
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If I don't drink my coffee with milk, my stomach treats it like I've just eaten ground glass. The effect is about ten times stronger with Starbucks coffee, which is indeed shite.


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Ditto, ish. So I tend to just have coffee with a little cold milk in it. I like black espresso but in longer coffee drinks, a little milk is nice. Just not a LOT of milk [purely as a matter of personal taste and preference].


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 11:10 AM
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which is indeed shite

Shi-TAY!


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220, 221: You forgot the accent in shité.


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I assume people who call Starbucks coffee shite simply don't know how truly bad coffee can be. For coffee drinkers whose options are 7-11, Waffle House or Starbucks (or maybe some home-brewed Folgers?), the Starbucks is going to be a godsend.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 11:13 AM
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Damn. Pwnéd.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 11:13 AM
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The joke is on the other foot, as Scots often do say "shitey".


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 11:14 AM
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227: Does that rhyme with "whitey" or with, um, "shit-ay"?


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In the UK, Starbucks are by far and away the worst of all of the high street chains. You could walk into any random coffee place -- either a chain or a small independent -- and be 99.99% sure of getting better coffee.

They are shite. There may well be shittier places out there, and in the UK of yore there were lots of them, but that doesn't stop Starbucks coffee being shite.

We've [collectively] had this conversation before. It got quite heated, iirc.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 11:16 AM
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Although I agree that Starbucks is not objectively good. I'm just noting there can be a paucity of objectively good coffee options in middle america. (And this was MUCH MORE the case 15 years ago, before Starbucks started spreading like wildfire. Since then, more decent coffee shops have started appearing in many cities.)


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 11:16 AM
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re: 228

Whitey.

But 'shitty' would be pronounced in a way that was pretty close to 'shit-ay'.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 11:16 AM
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225 has an element of truth. At our company they're talking about putting in a Starbucks franchise, and since at the moment we're limited to a godawful machine, and no brewing allowed, I'd welcome them with open arms.


Posted by: OneFatEnglishman | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 11:18 AM
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229: I vaguely remembered having this conversation here before, but that didn't seem possible.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 11:18 AM
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the, we call it aabn-beebn, it has no meaning, the word, if to split the stem of the flower about 10 mm and sing that words while holding the stem's opposite to the flower split end in one's mouth it gets curved, 2-3 curved stem splits, it's a children game
it's only only dandelion's feature i think, other flowers don't curve as far as i tried
in russian it's oduvanchik, in japanese i knew but forgot, they consider it weed


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 11:19 AM
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I assume people who call Starbucks coffee shite simply don't know how truly bad coffee can be. For coffee drinkers whose options are 7-11, Waffle House or Starbucks (or maybe some home-brewed Folgers?), the Starbucks is going to be a godsend.

I would rather drink 7-11 coffee than Starbucks, because my insides won't turn inside out and it won't leave my mouth feeling like a sweatsock.

7-11 coffee isn't good, I'm not claiming that.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 11:20 AM
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I think the universe of conversations that we haven't had here before is getting quite small.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 11:21 AM
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236: We've had that one too, Brock.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 11:22 AM
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SWPL: using "shite" instead of "shit"


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 11:22 AM
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in japanese i knew but forgot, they consider it weed

Tampopo. It's considered a weed here too.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 11:22 AM
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i recalled, for example, you go on the spring day to the park, a nice sunny day, and a lot of dandelions
and somebody would remark, how bad maintained park it is, see, full of dandelions


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Are you really prepared to die for your pronunciation of "latte"?

I had a friend whose father could regularly be goaded into beginning ridiculous contests of fitness; beat him at push-ups or something, and you could then get him to start running up and down the stairs or around the house until he realized that he was alone. He had the most wonderful optics library, and would occasionally dig in his heels over trivia. Bringing reminescence full-circle to the original topic, he ate orange flavored metamucil directly from the container with a spoon.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 11:24 AM
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at least you eat them


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 11:24 AM
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he ate orange flavored metamucil directly from the container with a spoon.

I was told that metamucil will choke you to death if you don't drink it dissolved in plenty of water.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 11:27 AM
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SWPL: using "shite" instead of "shit"

Oddly enough, in Scotland they also pronounce "sonny" as "Sunni". And one of their famous national poems is "Scots Ba'hai wi' Wallace bled". Nobody has ever proved that Scotland was ever settled by the Iranians, but it's a plausible theory.


Posted by: dsquared | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 11:27 AM
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You know, I was thinking about it on the way to Starbucks just now, and I don't think I've ever once heard somebody say "lah-TAY".


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245: Neither have I. That is, however, how I pronounce the word "later." You know, in the French manner.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 11:30 AM
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well clean your ears out once in a while then. I heard a bunch of them last week, while I was out and about in America.


Posted by: dsquared | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 11:31 AM
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Pretentious people here drink gatora-DEH.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 11:33 AM
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245: It's a British thing. You wouldn't understand.

I suppose it's a reaction to the way the British slaughter French words (probably intentionally). You should hear the standard British pronunciation of such words as filet and gateau.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 11:33 AM
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247: oh, sure, now you mock me for my disability.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 11:34 AM
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Maybe the people who say lah-TAY are the ones who shop at tar-ZHAY.

248: but people in the know say gah-to-RAH-deh, with spanishified 't', 'r' and 'd'.


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I also heard some policemen talking about how they were desperate to find a Gatorade, but apparently they were just talking about their need to meet their targets for enforcing code violations in bathhouses.


Posted by: dsquared | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 11:37 AM
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I too have never heard 'latte' accented on the second syllable, and my ears are so clean you could eat dandelion greens off them.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 11:37 AM
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I also heard some policemen talking about how they were desperate to find a Gatorade, but apparently they were just talking about their need to meet their targets for enforcing code violations in bathhouses.


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A double post, there's something you don't see much of nowadays, rather like white dogshit.


Posted by: dsquared | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 11:39 AM
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From gatorader, "to move in a catlike fashion".


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 11:40 AM
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A double post, there's something you don't see much of nowadays, rather like white dogshit.


Posted by: dsquared | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 11:40 AM
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254: Did you say it louder the second time, for Sifu's sake?


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 11:40 AM
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re: 238

Are you fucking crazy?


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 11:41 AM
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257: "White Dogshit" was the original title proposed for that Black Swans book.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 11:41 AM
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259: ttaM, you have to admit that the Scots are white. They're some of the whitest people on earth. Even the black ones are quite white. I think it's the lack of sun that does it.


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252: enforcing code violations in bathhouses
I thought you called them "cottages" over there.


Posted by: minneapolitan | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 11:42 AM
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There's a pronunciation I hear that splits the stress evenly across the two syllables: Lah-tay, rather than the standard American LAH-tay or the more Italian LAHT-e. But I've never heard anyone saying lah-TAY as if they thought it were French.

Anyway, all the cool people drink cafe cubano, when they can get it. Strong coffee, hot milk with no silly frothing, and lots of sugar. Mmmm.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 11:43 AM
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re: 261

Yes, I suppose. Pale blue, sometimes [to reuse an old joke]. Not really SWPL, though.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 11:44 AM
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259: He meant non-Brits, I'm pretty sure.

Also, "fucking" s/b "fooking", surely?


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 11:45 AM
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259: See, it's a facet of the 'Americans think anything British is kind of classy' problem. British slang, regardless of how hard it makes you sound over there, here marks you as the kind of overprivileged twit who's aware that there's land on the other side of the oceans. Non-SWPL Americans don't concede the existence of other continents.


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re: 265

Nah, 'fooking' is north west of England.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 11:46 AM
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Nah, 'fooking' is north west of England.

Just north of Ireland, then?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 11:46 AM
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Actually, now my blood is up, I am also prepared to kill and die over the "Lah" in the first syllable, rather than the short "a" which would indicate an Italian word. Well, maybe not kill and die, but I would certainly kick someone in the bollocks and run away.


Posted by: dsquared | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 11:47 AM
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the Scots are white

I think of them as red, like the Irish, because of the freckles and the anger.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 11:48 AM
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I got in a sort of polite correction battle a million years ago with the hipster chick at the counter of the hipster cigarette shop. She kept referring to my purchase as Gaul-WAH and I was like noooo, see, in this case you say the s at the end so . . . NO you never do that in French; it's Gaul-WAH. Well, really you do, see it's feminine plural so . . . At that point she just handed them to me and rolled her eyes a lot.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 11:49 AM
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Latte, schmatte. What really irritates me is when people around here say "baa-gel" instead of "bay-gel".


Posted by: minneapolitan | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 11:50 AM
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re: 271

Yeah, I got into an argument with a barman in a pub in Glasgow over the name of a Czech beer. I wouldn't have bothered, I'd certainly never have corrected him for pronouncing it wrongly. But he felt the need to 'correct' me.

"It's pronounced kroo-so-witz"
"No it's fucking not"
etc.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 11:52 AM
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272: The self-styled "delly" in Annapolis called them "Jewish muffins."


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271: Swipple hipsters pronounce it in the French manner, MAD swipple hipsters say "galoshes".


Posted by: minneapolitan | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 11:52 AM
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274: Well, that could lead to some hilarious misunderstandings.


Posted by: minneapolitan | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 11:54 AM
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Back in the 80's when Nagel was popular and was used on that Duran Duran cover and seen on countless dorm room walls, I once convinced this frat dude that "no, actually he pronounces his name NaahZHELL, it's just most people are too stupid to know that, but now you do, so go impress people, sophisticated frat dude". Unfortunately I never got to see him put his newfound "knowledge" into action.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 11:57 AM
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Just north of Ireland, then?

This reminds me of a customer at the travel bookstore where I used to work, who wanted a map of the UK. Before I'd completely unfolded one—the bottom half was still folded back—he pointed to it and said, so, Aberdeen, Dundee...That's Ireland, right? And I said, no, that's Scotland, to which he replied, ah, I see, so Scotland and England are on the same peninsula.


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274: And they served an open-faced tuna sandwitch they called the "Barbara Mukulski." God that place was awful.


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273: I like that you added some details and omitted others this time around. Combining the two, we have a much better picture of the incident!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 11:59 AM
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Misogynist.


Posted by: minneapolitan | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 12:00 PM
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281=>277


Posted by: minneapolitan | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 12:01 PM
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Actually it's pronounced "Nazgul".


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 12:02 PM
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I'll drink anything as long as it has electroly-TAYs.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 12:03 PM
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249
You should hear the standard British pronunciation of such words as filet and gateau.

How the hell can you mispronounce gâteau? Do they pronounce the g like a j or something?


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I am also prepared to kill and die over the "Lah" in the first syllable, rather than the short "a" which would indicate an Italian word

You're missing the point; "ah" here means it isn't pronounced the way we Americans pronounce the "a" in "man", it doesn't mean it's not short as in the Italian.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 12:05 PM
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Maybe we should all learn IPA.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 12:06 PM
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Surely the ultra-SWPL (as expressed by Churchill) is to deliberately mispronounce foreign words in order to irritate nearby foreigners? ("Narzi" rather than "Nazi" for example.) Churchill would have said "galluses" or something.


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You should hear the standard British pronunciation of such words as filet and gateau.

These are the people who park in the garridge while going to see people dance the balitt, right?


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285. With a wide open Anglo-Saxon "a" as in cat. But I'd defend that. It's a word that's become assimilated, like pork and mutton.


Posted by: OneFatEnglishman | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 12:08 PM
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lɑteɪ


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 12:08 PM
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Or wait, /ˈlɑt.eɪ/


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 12:13 PM
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How the hell can you mispronounce gâteau? Do they pronounce the g like a j or something?

GATT-oh.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 12:13 PM
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389: There's a great Simpsons episode where Moe heckles Homer for being all uppity because he uses the word "garage".

Homer: What do you call it?

Moe: The carhole!


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 12:15 PM
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The noun Latte in German (board)(pronounced LATT-uh) has the same meaning as the English noun 'woody'. So self-conscious Germans either overemphasize the Italian pronunciation, or they call it a Milchkaffee.


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294: Can't wait to see it when it comes out.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 12:18 PM
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When they're talking about the coffee drink, I mean. If they're talking about pieces of wood or about erections, of course, they use the German pronunciation.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 12:18 PM
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or they call it a Milchkaffee

They call their erection a Milchkaffee?

Germans are so weird.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 12:18 PM
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people around here say "baa-gel" instead of "bay-gel"

Help.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 12:21 PM
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266 was my point, yes.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 12:22 PM
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You know what word British people pronounce very oddly? Cthulhu.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 12:22 PM
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Blume took the milk right out of Sifu's coffee with that excellent pwnage.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 12:24 PM
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For revenge the Germans should develop a coffee drink called a "Hardon".


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 12:28 PM
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I drank a latte from Starbucks on my lunch break. It was decent enough. Given that it and a McDonald's "McCafe" are the only two coffee options within reason, I went with the one that had outdoor seating. When there was a struggling New Orleans refugee trying to run a New Orleans themed coffee shop in the dying outlet mall down the street I went there several times but it was OK at best and went under in very short order.

I like lattes from Starbucks but I don't try to fool myself that I'm having some authentic experience of anything anywhere. I am basically drinking a brownie that has a magical pearl of caffeine in the center, like a crystal meth Freshen-Up. I am entirely OK with that.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 12:30 PM
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I understand why English speakers think "bruschetta" has a "ch" sound and I don't even hold it against them. (Generosity itself!) But when they correct my pronounciation of the "k" sound with a "you poor, stupid hick" look, it is only that same generosity that keeps me from smacking them.


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304: So what's the authorized pronunciation of "McCafe"? "Macaffey"? "Macaphee"? "mick cafe"?


Posted by: minneapolitan | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 12:32 PM
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306: "Shiteburger."


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 12:34 PM
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the dying outlet mall

The one by the airport? That is a pretty sad place.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 12:34 PM
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The very one. It's at least 2/3 empty storefronts now, with whole wings sitting idle. The only two things that have opened there in the 2.5 years I've worked at this job are a startup Southern Baptist church and a Wal-Mart hiring office. The Baptist church opened in what used to be the Geoffrey Beene outlet and they never bothered to take down the ceiling-to-floor logo banners for the old store; they just used them to hang their prints of religious art. Thus, in the display windows there are these huge banners that read:

BRAND NAME
BRAND NAME
[Poster of the Last Supper]
BRAND NAME
BRAND NAME


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 12:39 PM
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271: Swipple hipsters pronounce it in the French manner, MAD swipple hipsters say "galoshes".

Yessssss. For this I forgive minnie all his trespasses.


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290, 293: Oh, duh. I was only thinking about consonants and vowels I didn't think about problems with emphasis, maybe because I hear them often. My dad's family is pretty Francophilic, one aunt in particular, but most of them don't speak the language fluently.

I can't think of any specific time I've heard emphasis being off, but that reminds me of a different Anglicized pronounciation that bugs me: calling the Canadian province Kwa-bec.


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These are the people who park in the garridge while going to see people dance the balitt, right?

Whilst.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 1:08 PM
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Alan Jay Lerner covered all of this back in 1956.

The Scotch and the Irish leave you close to tears.
There even are places where English completely disappears.
In America, they haven't used it for years!
Why can't the English teach their children how to speak?
Norwegians learn Norwegian; the Greeks have taught their Greek.
In France every Frenchman knows his language fro "A" to "Zed"
The French never care what they do, actually,
as long as they pronounce in properly.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 1:10 PM
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I like lattes from Starbucks but I don't try to fool myself that I'm having some authentic experience of anything anywhere.

Starbucks is much better at doing lattes than drip coffee.


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I think you mean coffeë.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 1:34 PM
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a park
i pronounce all wrongfully it seems, latTE, gahrahJ, brus(c)hetta, bahlet, kwebek, bahgel
my sister was learning some french and, i recalled my mom asking her what language is that, kazakh?
or my niece when she was 6-7 yo learnt bah, bah black sheep at her English optional classes
i didn't recognize what she was saying with very funny pronunciation and asked her, is that Korean you learn? coz she was enrolled in the school with Korean language as the secondary language teaching


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 1:36 PM
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"coffeë" is an Arab headdress, Apo.


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 03-23-09 3:29 PM
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I always thought the French pronunciation of caffe latte was something like café au lait. Lah-TAY? Who says that, seriously? I'm pretty sure I've never heard that pronunciation in my life, or if I did, I guess I didn't let it bother me (though it's obviously quite wrong). And I have also never in my life heard anyone try to pronounce rocket with the French e-acute "ay," which would obviously be quite silly.

English pronunciation of "foreign" (by which I mean, non-Anglo) words can be a bit tricky, though: there's a fine line, sometimes, between swipple affectation and dumbarse yahoo-ness (so, where I come from, you don't quite pronounce Québec in the French way, because that would perhaps sound a bit affectedly chi-chi, but you don't say Kweebeck either, because that might sound like a deliberate insult. You sort of have to adopt an obviously English approximation of the correct French pronunciation, basically).


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314: I'm carrying around a card that I got in a Starbucks in February that offers me a free "tall coffee" from their Fair Trade brew, once a day every day till April 21st.

The problem? I really think Starbucks drip coffee is pretty vile. They do an okay latte, and if I feel like liquid dessert some of their sweetened creamy drinks are quite nice, and if I remember to ask for an extra shot of espresso their mocha is OK.

But, although I have now had half a dozen cups of their drip coffee (hey, it's free, if I want to sit down in a comfy chair or just mainline some caffeine...) I still find it about as bad as anything I've ever voluntarily been able to drink. (If I adulterate it with vanilla sugar and whole milk it becomes more-or-less acceptable, but this kind of misses the point of ordering a coffee - it ought to be drinkable without any additions.)


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319 is me.


Posted by: Jesurgislac | Link to this comment | 03-24-09 6:49 AM
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I always thought the French pronunciation of caffe latte

Maybe I'm misreading you, but caffe latte isn't a French phrase, it's Italian. And I'm not seeing how you would pronounce latte like lait.

I'm pretty sure I've never heard that pronunciation in my life

Seems to be primarily a British twit thing.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-24-09 6:59 AM
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re: 319

Yes, that's more or less my view. Their long coffees [if you don't have one of the really sweet ones] are vile.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 03-24-09 7:02 AM
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I still find it about as bad as anything I've ever voluntarily been able to drink.

A sheltered life. Europeans need more adversity.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 03-24-09 7:07 AM
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Starbucks has a new lighter roast in addition to their dark one, and I think that it tastes a bit better, though I can't say that I'd recommend it, but it's what I'd get if I had a card for free coffees. (I like my coffee with milk and sweetener (Splenda specifically) though.)

Is there a difference between French café au lait and the Italian caffe latte? I mean, are they slightly different drinks?


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324: COMPLETELY DIFFERENT YOU RUBE!!!1!!! NOW HURRY UP AND ORDER!!!!!!


Posted by: OPINIONATED BARRISTA | Link to this comment | 03-24-09 7:31 AM
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321: You're misreading her. She was saying, elliptically, that if you were going to pronounce an Italian phrase in French, the way to do it would be to just say it in French.

324: I've mostly drunk the bastardized American versions of each, but I expect a latte to be somewhat foamy (although not as foamy as a cappuchino), and a cafe au lait to just be coffee with non-foamy hot milk.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03-24-09 7:33 AM
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326.1: Ah, that makes more sense.

326.2: That's my sense as well.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-24-09 7:36 AM
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My comments are just full of sense.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-24-09 7:38 AM
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Cafe con leche, anyone?


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329: Yes please!


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-24-09 7:46 AM
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That reminds me. I remember in Mexico City a long long time ago, many restaurants would have this sort of coffee concentrate in a bottle set in the middle of each table. If you ordered cafe con leche, they'd bring you a glass of hot milk, and then you could add coffee to taste. It was good.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-24-09 7:48 AM
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I wonder if it was that cold-brewed toddy I remember people talking about a year or so ago -- let coffee grounds sit in cold water for a day or something, filter it, and then use it to make iced coffee. One of the ex-baristas around here would remember the details.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03-24-09 8:05 AM
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Sweet?


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 03-24-09 8:05 AM
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I was stuck in a giant traffic jam yesterday on my way to San Antonio, and just found out this morning that a colleague was killed in it. Didn't know her that well, but still kind of sobering.

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Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-24-09 8:10 AM
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332: I think it was lower tech than the toddy set-up. Maybe just ground coffee added to boiled water and then maybe reduced down after that.

333: I don't remember it being sweet. I think people added sugar to the hot milk to taste.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-24-09 8:11 AM
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334: Yikes.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-24-09 8:19 AM
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334. Shit. breathe deeply.


Posted by: OneFatEnglishman | Link to this comment | 03-24-09 8:21 AM
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334: Very similar to the paralysis ML in the other thread.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 03-24-09 8:24 AM
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338: Yeah, I even thought briefly of that part of the article while I was sitting on the access road, rubber-necking.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-24-09 8:26 AM
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I'm glad OFE is recommending shitting in addition to breathing deeply. It is really underrated as a relaxation technique.

A guy I work with had a fatal heart attack out of the blue a few months ago. My age. Three kids.


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The father of the girl who baby sat me when I was a kid did that. Went out and mowed the lawn, then he sat down and died. He had three kids too. It's a bugger.


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