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Especially given the origin of the phrase "Rock 'n' Roll." I mean, think about it.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 12:24 AM
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You know what they say: sex, drugs, and not-sex.

That's supposed to be punk rock somehow? I mean, like Poison was? I guess I don't really get it.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 12:31 AM
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2: Exactly! Also, I think I've deployed the exclamation point over-zealously in this two-post combo. I have regrets.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 12:33 AM
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Secret Sign by the Knights of the New Crusade is the punk rockest Christian song EVAR. Ever since I heard it, I've had a(n admittedly perverse) fondness for it.


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 2:29 AM
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To be truly safe, those kids had better do it in the butt.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 2:49 AM
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well ok yeah but i really listened to mxpx a lot in jr high
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqZXy63_CZQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWOx4TUYXZA

somehow i can here belle & sebastian and beach boys and ride in there that i'd soon be listening to.

or sometimes impending marxism!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LOnkizrVbU&feature=related

srsly nothing but smiles nwo

oh i found one with 'save it for marriage' lyrics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qcxr-p29gI#t=1m40s


Posted by: yoyo | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 3:10 AM
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You know, I get the idea of abstaining for spiritual reasons -- like fasting, just with sex. But this whole OMG it's not safe you'll die if you do it concept...


Posted by: di kotimy | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 4:38 AM
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Did you watch it to the end? The girl is in the car with a different guy, who smirks as she hands him the condom and says 'Don't worry, it's safe.' The little slut.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 5:06 AM
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The introductory narrative reminds me of Titian's Temptation of St. Anthony, which I just saw last weekend. Very similar storyline, but the blond girl had the cutest little ivory horns and a lot more jewelry. And there was no car. Other than that.


Posted by: mcmc | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 5:12 AM
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I didn't get much past "if they hand them out at school, it must be safe!". So does she at least get lucky with the second guy?


Posted by: di kotimy | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 5:13 AM
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I think it's implied that she does. And clearly if he doesn't go for it either, she'll just move on to the next guy. With whom she'll have the exact same conversation again.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 5:56 AM
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B-b-but! What about "I don't SMOKE! And I don't DRINK! And I don't SMOKE! At least I can FUCKING THINK!" Not for Jesus, still silly, but definitely "punk rock."


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 6:21 AM
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12: Jesus ruin your whole post, why don't you oudemia?!

Ahem -- "I don't SMOKE! And I don't DRINK! And I don't FUCK! At least I can FUCKING THINK!"

Consider this your erratum page.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 6:22 AM
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Every so often, I find myself picking up a rental car in a red state and listening to broadcast radio. Since I don't ordinarily listen to top 40 stations, I don't always recognize right away if the car radio is tuned to a contemporary christian station rather than a conventional pop music station (usually the giveaway is the station identification announcement: the brand name is generally something like "The Word").

Anyway, these experiences have convinced me that contemporary christian music has entered the uncanny valley of similarity to mainstream pop: the vocal stylings are the same, the instrumentation is the same, the sound engineering is the same, but there is something missing. This post stimulated the thought that the missing ingredient is sex. You just can't sing paens to Jesus' love with quite the same emotional content that animates music inspired by sexual lust.


Posted by: pain perdu | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 6:25 AM
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One of my fondest grad school memories is of the day of critical theory survey class when we read Malcolm McLaren (that pain in the ass). The conversation turned to straight edge, and it transpired that our young professor had never heard of it, so there followed a half-hour seminar on the subject delivered by the many DC-local MA students in the room (and me).


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 6:29 AM
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You just can't sing paens to Jesus' love with quite the same emotional content that animates music inspired by sexual lust.

Right back atcha!


Posted by: A. Franklin | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 6:38 AM
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13: I don't think Jesus intervened in this vale of tears just to screw with your post, oud.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 6:45 AM
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17: I have a *very* personal relationship with him, JRoth.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 6:51 AM
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Also, would anyone need to feel sick for humanity now?

This may help. One truly wonders at the sick fuck who thought this was cute.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 6:52 AM
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Watching this made me choke on my breakfast. I'm guessing this band gets federal funding?


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 6:59 AM
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16: so right. My comment inadvertently used "you" where it should have said "white people".


Posted by: pain perdu | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 7:06 AM
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You just can't sing paens to Jesus' love with quite the same emotional content that animates music inspired by sexual lust.

This is pretty much why all late-20th-c Christian music sounds, like, gay, or at least queerly Christophilic. Lust is the engine of pop.

It's the same thing with Donne's holy sonnets. The Petrarchan sonnet was invented for getting ladies to fuck you. You can't just go around writing sonnets about God without expecting half my students to respond by shouting out, "Is John Donne, like, gay, or what?"


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 7:07 AM
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21: and nobody come back with the Carter family singers, OK? Because we all know that June's hymn-singing was just sublimated sexual lust.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 7:07 AM
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The Petrarchan sonnet was invented for getting ladies to fuck you

AP English would have held my attention a lot better if AWB had been teaching at my school.


Posted by: pain perdu | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 7:09 AM
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24: What did they tell you sonnets were for?


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 7:10 AM
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21/23: I was going to come back with the troubadours sexxxytime songs for the Virgin Mother. But they're French, so maybe they get a bye?

22: In Dan Radosh's book on evangelical pop culture, he says that there is a fair amount of contempt among the "hipster" evangelicals for the "Jesus is my boyfriend" genre of Christian songwriting.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 7:12 AM
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25: All I remember is "Enduring masterpiece...blah blah blah...heart has its reasons that reason knows not...blah blah...touches feelings common to all humanity across generations...blah blah blah...this will be on the exam...blah blah blah...if you just read the Cliffs Notes you are cheating yourself...blah blah blah..."

Everyone believed our AP English teacher was a queer, and I consistently defended him (in that time and place, "defend" is the right term; even I did not question the assumption that this was an accusation that warranted a defense), largely because I rejected the underlying assumption that anyone who dressed nicely and liked books must be a homo. A year or so after HS graduation, he made a drunken pass at me. By that time, though, the liberal secular university had corrupted me enough that I didn't get freaked out about it. Indeed, I gave him credit for waiting until I reached the age of majority.


Posted by: pain perdu | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 7:20 AM
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Of course the woman is a temptress and the man is an otherwise righteous dude trying to resist her wiles. Just like in the garden when Eve tempted Adam with the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of Rocking and Rolling.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 7:25 AM
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Indeed, I gave him credit for waiting until I reached the age of majority a handjob.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 7:30 AM
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27: Yeah, this kind of poetry teaching makes me really glad I didn't study poetry at all until grad school.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 7:31 AM
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On the other hand, some Christians apparently really know how to party:

The Narcotic-to-Theologian Correspondence.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 8:04 AM
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re the OP, I couldn't watch past 20 seconds. For some reason it reminds me of discussions (here?) of the "nice guy" syndrome - like some kind of self-righteousness porn.


Posted by: Unpronounceable Awl | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 8:05 AM
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27: Have you seen History Boys?


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 9:32 AM
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there is a fair amount of contempt among the "hipster" evangelicals for the "Jesus is my boyfriend" genre of Christian songwriting.

The "Jesus is my abusive boyfriend" genre of Christian poetry is way better.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 9:33 AM
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Christianity is just straightedge turned 45 degrees.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 9:50 AM
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The "Jesus is my abusive boyfriend" genre of Christian poetry is way better.

Yeah, everybody loves Wagner.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 9:53 AM
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Wagner is the Billy Collins of poetry.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 9:55 AM
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I thought Billy Collins was the Billy Collins of poetry.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 10:05 AM
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One word: Stryper.

max
['It's like, like... really really bad Winger!']


Posted by: max | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 10:18 AM
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39: I have really hazy memories of once thinking they were, like, so cool.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 10:20 AM
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Batter my heart, two-fisted God.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 10:46 AM
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So what horny teenage guy is going to see this video and think "hey, I want to be the loser who doesn't have a car and winds up walking home from the date while some other dude gets to bang the cute girl?"

I mean, the only thing that could undermine the message even further is if we saw abstinence boy hitchhiking and getting picked up by a Republican congressman at the end.


Posted by: Hamilton-Lovecraft | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 10:49 AM
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40: 39: I have really hazy memories of once thinking they were, like, so cool.

But you were like twelve, right? That's OK.

Batter my heart, two-fisted God.

Deepfry my soul!

max
['And they're a step up from the music in a Church of the Powerball!']


Posted by: max | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 10:58 AM
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I have really hazy memories of once thinking they were, like, so cool.

It's not often that I get to feel superior to Di, but when I first heard Stryper at age 16 (Soldiers Under Command), I knew even then that they were totally lame--contagiously so, in fact.


Posted by: pain perdu | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 11:02 AM
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Further to 44: I credit marijuana with giving me this precocious power of discernment.


Posted by: pain perdu | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 11:05 AM
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If the title was Soldiers Under Christ the King* it would have been even clearer that they suck.

*a phrase now found once by Google, in a Youtube comment on a video called "Ian Paisley teaches on the Jesuits".


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 11:08 AM
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I felt superior to the kids listening to Stryper becuase I was listening to the self-evidently hipper faux-Satanist metal (Ozzy Osbourne, etc), which in retrospect now looks just as silly. Better licks, though.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 11:18 AM
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Better licks, though.

Does anything else matter?


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 11:34 AM
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what 48 said --- that, and note that bands like black sabbath were very intentionally being silly contrary to, say, stryper.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 11:40 AM
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I'm sorting through my spam and I find that someone found my place via this search. I officially blame Stanley.


Posted by: SEK | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 12:23 PM
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Apo, I'm hurt.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 12:47 PM
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bands like black sabbath were very intentionally being silly

They were!? I went through a very brief Black Sabbath period, which embarrassingly happened in freshman year of college rather than at its proper time, in high school, and pissed my freshman year roommates off a lot. But it was only 3 months? On repeat, admittedly. Sorry, guys!


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 12:56 PM
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52: It's ok, parsi, I went through a period of listening to Black Sabbath a lot just a few years ago.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 1:03 PM
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My freshman year of college, I got too cool to listen to Black Sabbath and traded in all my vinyl from them. I could absolutely kick myself for that now.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 1:15 PM
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I'm retrograde in this, but I've never stopped liking Black Sabbath. And I just had Megadeath on in the home. which I believe annoyed the neighbors.

Despite 20 years of trying, I'll confess to never really getting punk rock (a capacious category, I know) -- it still today mostly seems like bad musicianship aligned with annoying attitude. The 90s, and 00s versions don't even seem to have the virtue of originality. I do like the Clash and Ramones a lot, though.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 1:24 PM
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54: I got too cool in fairly short order as well, and started listening to Talking Heads and Elvis Costello by sophomore year. That's good music too, so it's all cool. The only music I really stopped listening to in public, as it were, due to peer pressure, was Yes, and to a certain degree other prog-rock so-called concept bands (Genesis, Pink Floyd, King Crimson). I may have an attitude about that now: you guys shouldn't have given me shit about that!


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 1:26 PM
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My heavy metal clarinet friend got me into Black Sabbath soon after my ex-wife moved out, and I had a sublime in-car make out to their credit.


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 1:34 PM
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23: Because we all know that June's hymn-singing was all religious expression is just sublimated sexual lust.

Seriously, the wages of sin is not death, the wages of sin is babies. And who doesn't like babies? They're cute.


Posted by: minneapolitan | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 1:42 PM
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They're cute.

Which is fortunate, because without that, they're just really loud disease vectors.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 1:46 PM
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56: Genesis and Pink Floyd outlived their best periods, but there's no shame in liking stuff from the glory days. That said, I'm pretty sure it's been well over five years since I last chose to listen to a Floyd album. I found "Foxtrot" and "Nursery Cryme" at a used CD store more recently than that, though.

As for King Crimson, they never really had a fall-off. Their first best era was the second version of the band, but the rotating membership starting with "Discipline" has been consistently interesting, with the exception of a few lyrical clunkers from Adrian Belew (whose solo stuff I quite like, but some of his recent KC lyrics are terrible).


Posted by: fedward | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 1:49 PM
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As for King Crimson, they never really had a fall-off

Yes they did.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 1:51 PM
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it still today mostly seems like bad musicianship aligned with annoying attitude.

Television? Quine?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 1:52 PM
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39: they're just really loud disease vectors
Just like mosquitoes. Except they never drink ... blood.


Posted by: minneapolitan | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 1:56 PM
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61: Oh? When? "Beat" and "Three of a Perfect Pair" aren't as strong as "Discipline," I'll grant, but "Thrak" stacks up very well against both "Discipline" and "Red."


Posted by: fedward | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 1:59 PM
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You know they continued releasing albums after Thrak, right?

(The latter has some tunes I like, but there's undeniably been a falling off; I would argue that Thrak didn't even live up to the promise of VROOOM. "Consistently interesting" isn't really right either; we've had quite a lot of the counterpointillistic guitar interplay by now and (IMO) Fripp should ditch both the wall of effects and Belew.)


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 2:05 PM
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counterpointillistic

Is this original? It's pretty good.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 2:08 PM
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What does it mean?


Posted by: ninjaphilosopher | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 2:09 PM
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I'm struggling between: counterpoint-illistic, and counter-pointillistic.


Posted by: ninjaphilosopher | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 2:10 PM
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64: Agreed. I got into Crimson with the Discipline triad, or trio (whatever, Beat and Three of a Perfect Pair), worked backward a bit to Court of the Crimson King and skipped around, loving Starless and Bible Black.

The ConstruKction of Light and the Power to Believe initially blew me away (I had to leave the room for some fresh air the first time I heard the latter), but I have a hard time listening to them now. I find them agitating. Weird.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 2:11 PM
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It is original and means exactly what you would think, ie, it's a portmanteau of "counterpoint" and "pointillistic".


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 2:11 PM
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we've had quite a lot of the counterpointillistic guitar interplay by now and (IMO) Fripp should ditch both the wall of effects and Belew.

We need the counterpoint, ben. The wall of effects is ... overwhelming. But I think that's the point? I don't know. I miss the delicacy of Discipline.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 2:14 PM
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Sorry about the italics in 71.2 there.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 2:14 PM
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I miss the delicacy of Discipline.

THELA HUN GINJEET! THELA HUN GINJEET!


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 2:16 PM
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I WISH YOU WERE HERE TO SEE IT


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 2:17 PM
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The Delicacy of Discipline sounds like the name of a Taschen book of soft-focus bondage photos.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 2:18 PM
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65: I own those too. I hate typing out the titles to the 2000 album and songs because of the 'Kc' motif everywhere, but "FraKctured" and "Larks' Tongues in Aspic (Part IV)" definitely stack up next to their counterparts in the canon. Sadly, that album is also where the Belewisms started to take hold (tracks 1 and 6), so it's not all great.

I don't really mind "The Power to Believe," but neither do I listen to it very often.

I don't know that I agree that Belew needs to be ditched, but his energies definitely need to be focused into something that sounds like Crimso. He's got incredible chops and I like his solo records, but left to his own devices he goes in directions that seem orthogonal to the rest of the band.


Posted by: fedward | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 2:18 PM
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That sounds neat. I guess the idea would be multiple, independent voices playing short notes over a, potentially, wide range.


Posted by: ninjaphilosopher | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 2:19 PM
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It's not often that I get to feel superior to Di

Seriously? Dude, you clearly aren't paying attention.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 2:20 PM
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"FraKctured" and "Larks' Tongues in Aspic (Part IV)" definitely stack up next to their counterparts in the canon

I respectfully disagree! If there were nothing else about which to complain, the shit timbre would suffice. I also think the past-mining that those titles (and Belew's lyrics) evince is unfortunate.

"Fracture" continues to be able to grab me and even to be exciting; "FraKctured" I haven't listened to in a while but always struck me as not very interesting.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 2:21 PM
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ninjap: I'm in the library so can't vouch for the audio but this purports to be KC's "Discipline".


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 2:24 PM
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Ninjap? not so sure about that one. I'll check out the audio in a bit. It's hard to paper write and listen to music at the same time. Paper writing and unfogged commenting though? Cake!


Posted by: ninjaphilosopher | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 2:26 PM
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75: That may be, but honestly, Discipline absorbs me in its, er, threads, in a way that no other Crimson does.

Almost all of my Crimson is on vinyl, and I don't listen to it very often any more. Though. Discipline I no longer have a copy of! I have to remedy that.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 2:35 PM
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> (define (string-contains? s w) (let ((sl (string-length s)) (wl (string-length w))) (if (> sl wl) #f (if (string=? s (substring w 0 sl)) #t (string-contains? s (substring w 1 wl))))))
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Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 2:37 PM
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string-contains? would probably be more efficient using string->list.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 2:41 PM
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I don't even understand 83 well enough to make a pseudo-knowing joke about it.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 2:42 PM
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See here.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 2:44 PM
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Boolean operators! run!!


Posted by: ninjaphilosopher | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 2:50 PM
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A Christian punk band is possible, but not a punk Christian band (unless they were so subversive that the evangelical-industrial complex that is the Christian radio/record bis thought they were on the level).

Imagine, if you will, a music programmer for a Christian radio station, or an a & r guy for a Christian record label, but who was also fluent both in European musical history, from Gregorian chant up through, say serialism (also jazz, 20th century popular music, and aesthetic and critical threory). If you were to ask this hypothetical person, why do you play this shit instead of the St. John Passion or the Soul Stirrers?, that person will reply:

Because once the aesthetic takes precedence over the message, you have succumbed to the world that you hoped to change, or at least save people from. Music should be chosen so as to be an effective vehicle for a message specified in advance. Musicians should never decide, or even shade, what the message should be..


Posted by: kth | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 4:10 PM
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Stockhausen serves secularism.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 4:17 PM
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83 would be shorter in Python.


Posted by: Hamilton-Lovecraft | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 4:35 PM
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True!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 4:40 PM
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My python was shorter in '83.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 4:42 PM
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My python was shorter in '83

That Reagan recession was hell all around, wasn't it?

(Ripostes citing the NBER recession-timing report should not be posted here, but should be reserved for someone who gives a damn.)


Posted by: pain perdu | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 6:28 PM
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Wow, I haven't seen LISP in the wild since the great parenthesis shortage of ought-six.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 7:15 PM
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We've discussed Lisp here multiple times. No wonder people keep leaving in a huff.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 7:24 PM
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I'm torn on this nature-nurture debate. Some would argue that ToS, as the son of consanguinous imbeciles, was doomed by his genes to idiocy. Others take a more sympathetic view, and point to the tragic neglect he suffered while his mother earned her meagre paycheck blowing long-haul truckers by the border crossing, or to the abuse he suffered at the hands of the other boys at the juvenile home who laughed at his hermaphroditic genitalia, or to the lingering effects of his youthful glue-sniffing.

Alas, it seems tragically overdetermined.

The anti-semitism, on the other hand... Who would have imagined that getting stiffed out of $5 by one jewish recipient of a back alley rimjob could unleash such a venemous tirade?


Posted by: pain perdu | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 7:26 PM
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OK, OK, ToS. You've successfully intimidated me. I'll be quiet. Just don't sic the EFF on me, pretty please with sugar on top?

BTW it's not entirely implausible that you've got my mother on speed dial, because she did spend much of her career working with retards in social services.


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Wow, I haven't seen LISP in the wild since the great parenthesis shortage of ought-six.

It was actually Scheme.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 10:26 PM
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Wow, that poor bastard must be having an aneurysm over 96.


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 10:29 PM
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Uh, isn't Scheme Lisp?

Certainly Abelson, Sussman & Sussman use it so...

(Little bitchery enabled by chance enthusiasms? Hell yes.)


Posted by: Keir | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 10:42 PM
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100: You do realize who you're talking to, right?


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 10:49 PM
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Whom, Walt. Whom you're talking to.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 10:52 PM
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(I realise. That's why I'm trembling in terror that I missed some nice subtle point that clearly makes me look like a fool.)


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102: Just you wait until you make a grammar mistake. I'll be waiting. Watching.

103: You missed some nice subtle point knowledge of which would immediately send you into a coma because of its incredible lack of importance.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 10:55 PM
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102: With whom, Walt. With whom you are talking.


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 05-14-09 11:22 PM
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Scheme is a Lisp. I just assume when I see someone talking about seeing Lisp used or something that they mean Common Lisp.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 05-15-09 12:24 AM
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To whom, you Ostrogoths.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 05-15-09 12:28 AM
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I speak with others, Minivet. Maybe you only speak to them. Maybe that's why your life is cold and empty.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 05-15-09 12:31 AM
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Ah. You see, this where learning one's Lisps from a library that seemingly gave up on Lisp in the 1980's alters one's views.


Posted by: Keir | Link to this comment | 05-15-09 12:40 AM
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There are no google hits for anything along the general lines of "LISPers do it in tail position" or referring to "tail calls" in a nontechnical sense.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 05-15-09 10:20 PM
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Be the change you wish to see in the google, neb.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 05-15-09 10:27 PM
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Nobody has mentioned the most amazing thing about the video: it's on YouTube, but the comments associated with it aren't incredibly stupid. Some are even funny!


Posted by: Tom | Link to this comment | 05-16-09 8:26 AM
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