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I don't believe that you actually use the phrase "good on you".


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06-28-09 6:05 PM
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A fair number of straight people go to Pride events for the parties.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 06-28-09 6:16 PM
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I have no trouble believing that Becks uses the phrase "good on you."


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06-28-09 6:17 PM
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"Why do all these heterosexuals keep partying in the vicinity of my cock?"


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06-28-09 6:20 PM
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A fair number of straight people go to Pride events for the parties.

Or just to see the parade. I do it every year and post the pictures too. The parade start is just down the road a bit from our place and the spirit of the whole thing is nicely up-beat.


Posted by: Biohazard | Link to this comment | 06-28-09 6:28 PM
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I've been pleased that FB has informed me of which of my HS friends supports gay marriage, via some poll everyone's been taking. I'm not really pro-state-marriage at all, but coming from some of these people, it's a heartening shift.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 06-28-09 6:28 PM
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If they're straight people going to Pride, even better. When I find out someone I knew from HS came out, I'm glad for them, but I'm even more glad to see that a lot of people consider themselves allies now.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 06-28-09 6:30 PM
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6: Huh. I answered that poll in response to someone's passing it along, but it didn't occur to me to goose some of the high school friends on it. I have a really strong suspicion that people who don't support gay marriage would simply not vote.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 06-28-09 7:32 PM
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No one I have friended on facebook has posted pictures from a pride parade. At least, it is not showing up in my news feed.

Can someone more gay friend me? As a swipple white person, its something I like.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 06-28-09 7:34 PM
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Straight people who go to Pride don't take these kinds of pictures, IYKWIM.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 06-28-09 8:05 PM
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I know we've talked about the etiquette of Facebook friending before, but tell me again: if someone you totally don't know but who has a dozen friends in common with you asks to friend you, what are you supposed to do? You're just supposed to accept the friending? Because I really have no idea who this person who has asked to friend me is. I'm sure she's lovely, knowing all these other people I know; it seems strange to me to ask to friend someone you don't know, though.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 06-28-09 8:10 PM
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Do what you feel.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06-28-09 8:12 PM
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12: Eh, I guess I'll check her out, then. I've been told where she hangs out, even though I've never noticed her there. I think some people must be promiscuous with their friend requests, that's all.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 06-28-09 8:22 PM
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There's no harm in hitting "ignore". My policy is to ignore people I haven't actually ever met face-to-face. It feels like a defensible policy.


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 06-28-09 8:34 PM
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I have a really strong suspicion that people who don't support gay marriage would simply not vote.

I support gay marriage, non-cruelty to animals, abortion, and Moussavi, but have ignored requests in the last month to voice my opinion on these matters on Facebook. It just doesn't feel quite right, like wearing a political t-shirt to a family reunion.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 06-28-09 8:38 PM
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14: Well, I do agreeably friend people I know internetically -- no face-to-face requirement. But someone I've never heard of, but who apparently hangs out in some of the same places I do? That's seems to be pushing it, yeah.

Oddly, I'm not FB friends with my own brother. I wonder now and then, somewhat idly, whether I should correct that, but I talk to him on the phone often enough, so. I'm not sure if he's out in his FB identity or what; I believe he is, and the habit of protective privacy is strongly ingrained in him, so I don't know if he wants his sister looking over his shoulder.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 06-28-09 8:41 PM
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Straight people who go to Pride don't take these kinds of pictures, IYKWIM.

Assumes facts not in evidence.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 06-28-09 8:42 PM
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Weirdest Facebook friend request I've received: someone I've never heard of, in Malaysia, who is a FB friend of an FB friend of mine (someone I went to a summer program with 10 years ago and have not heard from since, aside from the FB request). This person, as far as I can tell, has no Facebook friends in the Western Hemisphere aside from the one mutual FB friend. The friend request read, enigmatically, "MH".


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 06-28-09 9:10 PM
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My policy is to ignore people I haven't actually ever met face-to-face.

Well there goes my plan to friend you.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 06-28-09 9:20 PM
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I didn't realize that Pride festivals had a regular day. I think that our parade was a week or two ago.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 06-28-09 9:20 PM
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I'm pretty sure Moby Hick lives in the East End of Pittsburgh, not Malaysia. But I have trouble keeping these things straight.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 06-28-09 9:22 PM
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18: I got a Facebook spam message the other day. The person mentioned things about me still being in Charlottesville and coming back to U.Va. to study bioethics. By the time I got it, the account of said person had been deleted.

I mean, I'm assuming that's spam.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06-28-09 9:22 PM
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I believe they most often coincide with the anniversary of the Stonewall riots.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 06-28-09 9:23 PM
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20: it's all around the anniversary of Stonewall. Not sure why it varies; maybe some places parade at the start of Pride Week, others at the culmination (actually, that can't be right, as our parade was fully 2 weeks ago. Who knows?).


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 06-28-09 9:25 PM
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Ooh, ooh, I pawned someone! I think that's the very first time!


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 06-28-09 9:26 PM
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I believe the West Hollywood one was two weeks ago as well.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06-28-09 9:26 PM
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I didn't realize that Pride festivals had a regular day.

Montreal gets a whole week, iirc.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 06-28-09 9:27 PM
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While they're usually in June, they seem to be deliberately different weekends in different cities. (Philadelphia and New York are always different weekends, for example.)


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 06-28-09 9:28 PM
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Maybe it's just so people can attend many.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06-28-09 9:28 PM
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It's morning again Gay Time, fucking finally, in America!


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06-28-09 9:30 PM
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Old 97s concert for free in park near here went well, despite (and a little because of) short, wild downburst almost literally out-of-the-blue just before they started. Dynamic sky throughout included a great sunset (plus pretty good music).

Son Volt coming August 9th to same venue. May be a meetup possibility.
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Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06-28-09 9:31 PM
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28: Right. Wrt the timing of the lengthy Montreal festival, I think it usually overlaps with Toronto's. Which typically means a train load of sunburned leatherboys travelling back and forth --- surely a surprise for some travelers.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 06-28-09 9:34 PM
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Never seen the word "downburst" before.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06-28-09 9:36 PM
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33: Yes, but had you seen a downburst, that would've been exactly the right term to describe it. Perhaps you haven't seen a downburst.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06-28-09 9:38 PM
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Perhaps.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06-28-09 9:38 PM
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I in fact meant to say "cloudburst". There was a brief period of gusty winds associated with it, but they were not as intense as would be produced by an actual downburst. However, it was still a fairly wild bit of small-scale weather with half of the sky clear during the whole storm which more or less developed in place. Not a typical pattern for this part of the world. Mad a nice rainbow as well.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06-28-09 9:50 PM
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I recently accepted a friend request from a friend's sort of boyfriend, who now wants to chat anytime he sees me online. I find this weird.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 06-28-09 10:58 PM
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He's trading up.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 06-28-09 11:04 PM
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16-19: I mis-internet-spoke. I am friends with a number of people I know only from the internet. The policy is mostly for people in the L.A. politics scene who seem to rack up FB friends with some sort of base-building intention.


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 06-28-09 11:46 PM
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I'm failry easy going about facebook requests. There are a few people I've only met once or twice at guitar or martial-arts related events, and some internet-only people (from Unfogged, even).

But yeah, I've ignored a few friend-of-friend requests from people I've never met. Some people really do seem to chase down every tenuous connection and 'friend' them.

re: Pride -- I don't think it has the same prominence in the UK. I do notice a few high school acquaintances who have 'come out' in their Friends Reunited* profiles, though.

* the UK equivalent of Classmates.com?


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 12:13 AM
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I mentioned to my mother on Sunday that I'd been on the march yesterday (to explain why I hadn't called her back immediately when she rang to let me know I had a new nephew) and she looked shocked.

"But you're not a member of the Orange Lodge... are you?!?!"

For the first time since I came out to her, she looked relieved when I said "No, it was Pride".

(The awed terror in her voice, has my daughter found another way of embarrassing me in front of all my friends now I've almost got over her being gay, was priceless. In its way.)

Oh yes, I have a new nephew too! I can take him on Pride marches for his birthday. Cool.


Posted by: Jesurgislac | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 2:36 AM
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The day the Orange Lodge carries a banner on Pride, we have won.


Posted by: OFE | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 2:49 AM
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re: 42

I've mentioned before, I was amazed once, when I got caught on the wrong side* of the big Orange Walk in Glasgow, to see a few black African Lodges marching, which just seemed so weird.


* you do not cross.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 3:45 AM
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43. I imagine you don't cross. Which part of Africa did these deluded people come from? Were they funded by Idi Amin in his capacity as King of Scotland?


Posted by: OFE | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 4:02 AM
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Ghana and Togo both have Orange Lodges. I think both date from Scots or Ulster missionaries back in the 19th century. They seem, from looking at their websites a while back, to be fairly sincere in their Presbyterianism, but I do wonder if they aware of the general racism attached to Orangism.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/ireland/article525201.ece


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 4:17 AM
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36: I in fact meant to say "cloudburst".

Or maybe it was "downpour".


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 4:34 AM
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21: But I have trouble keeping these things straight.

You've come to the right place, then.


Posted by: Doug | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 6:57 AM
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While they're usually in June

SC Pride is always held in early September. I vaguely recall that this was originally due to some dispute with the city or state over the first march in '89, but maybe it's just because the last weekend of June is usually too damn hot. Temps last weekend hit the low 100s.

I have a really strong suspicion that people who don't support gay marriage would simply not vote.

I'm pro-gay marriage and anti-Facebook polls.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 7:02 AM
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Once in a while I actually want to take a Facebook Quiz, but I'll be goddamned if I'm going to clutter up everyone else's feed with The What Month Is Your Birthday In Quiz?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 7:04 AM
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re: 49

Most of them you have the option to post the result or not.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 7:09 AM
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The What Month Is Your Birthday In Quiz?

November! Any time I see a quiz result, I tell Facebook to block any further results from it.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 7:12 AM
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51: me too. And yet it seems like nobody ever takes the same quiz as anybody else has ever taken.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 7:20 AM
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50: Really??? You mean all these nimrods are actively choosing to waste my eyeballs' valuable time?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 7:23 AM
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re: 53

Yes.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 7:26 AM
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I took a Facebook quiz. You can stop it from being sent to others, and you don't have to publish the results.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 7:35 AM
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Yeah, I've taken quizzes that friends have taken several times, and then not published the results. I think it's a standard feature.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 7:36 AM
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I've wanted to write a couple of quizzes, but hate the intrusive interface. The entertainment is in reading the list of questions with possible answers; intruding on friends and facebook linkees with the horrid click-through is terrible.

I was thinking what flavor yogurt are you, with raspberry=passive aggressive, vanilla=compulsive, mango=happy and scatterbrained. Having written this, I'll just put a document with Qs and As up in a note.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 8:11 AM
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Quizzes no, "Five things" lists yes. The latter can be subverted.

I know someone who posted "Five things I never leave the house without". All five were "An erection". It was hilarious!


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 8:15 AM
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57: Hazelnut - Aggressive
Blackcurrant - Insightful
Apricot - Naturist


Posted by: Jesurgislac | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 8:24 AM
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30: Gay Time

Isn't it, just?

NC Pride is in late September so we don't all die of heat stroke and so they can book somebody to be there without having to compete with Pride weekend everywhere else. The NC Gay & Lesbian Film Festival is in August. Charlotte has Queen City Pride some damn time or another but I've never been because, well, Charlotte. We're just all over the damn place.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 8:26 AM
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60: Just saw that myself. I liked:

"The groping of the police officer -- really? We're gay, but we're not dumb," Schrock said to the crowd that gathered at the bar Sunday afternoon.

Jesus fuck, it scares me that getting arrested while drunk might mean being thrown into the concrete so my brain bleeds. Police officers terrify me. (Apologies to g.)


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 8:29 AM
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There's a white-hot core of unprocessed reaction in my brain and, outside that, is a sense of marvel that it's apparently illegal to be drunk at a bar in Texas. How surprisingly prissy of them.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 8:33 AM
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59:

Hey those are good. I like blackcurrant and do not care for raspberry, obvs. Not sure what personality trait to assign to tandoori chicken spice. Generous, wise, and widely-beloved, probably.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 8:34 AM
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62: that's been discussed here before, yeah. Unsurprisingly, selective enforcement seems to be the norm, with hotel bars that cater to tourists getting shaken down with some regularity.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 8:37 AM
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I'm sure you're all desperate to hear about DFH Pride in Minneapolis, so I'll report: Trans march was awesome and had the best soundtrack. Curious how things that I had thought completely emptied out politically come back and are once again full of meaning--that is, folks were singing "Ain't no power like the power of the people/'cause the power of the people don't stop", which I have always personally hated both for its faux-folksiness and its utopian implausibility (although if there are any Negrians in the audience I guess you all could put a different spin on it), but these kids (and it was a march that skewed early-mid-twenties, although with enough older folks that I didn't feel bizarre) really found something in it. It's associated with Maoists to me, so it was really odd to hear people chanting it like they believed it, like it meant something. Also, "Tubthumper" is popular at marches around here; everyone was singing the chorus. That made me happy because I always felt bad for the Chumbas what with the selling out and everything. "Oppress us? Just try it! / Stonewall was a fucking riot!" was also popular.

Dyke march (a fifteen year tradition here) was really huge, several hundred people. Skewed young also, but more "under forty young" than "average age is twenty-three" young. Very interesting since the organizers are radicals like I mean radicals while the march skewed progressive. But it wasn't spooky like it sometimes gets when Leninist groups are running much larger marches where most people don't get the Leninism angle. There was a spirited middle of the march chanting "We're here/we're queer/We're not going shopping!" &c. A march with more folks of color than the trans march, although in each case I feel like race hadn't really been thought about enough. (Not sure what political steps would be helpful, but clearly something is needed.)

I was so proud of my friends (I knew a lot of the people organizing the marches). I smiled the big hick smile that I try not to smile all day because I was too happy to smile properly, hide the chipped tooth, etc.

To sound the personal note, I suggest avoiding wearing the cute early-nineties doctor martens that are a half-size too small to the marches, no matter how nicely they compliment the rest of your outfit. Unless, that is, you want a very interesting collection of blisters and the flat inability to walk on Sunday morning.


Posted by: Frowner | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 9:12 AM
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yay frowner!
I bought a pair of really expensive shoes that were a half size too small, because they had been marked down from SGD$1100 to SGD$225, and were made of eelskin, but boy did I regret it, what with the horrible blisters and actual blood. luckily one of my best friends wears a half size smaller than me.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 10:02 AM
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Man, ballet made me such a masochist. Bloody blisters don't faze me for shit.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 10:32 AM
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actual blood

That's some incredibly fresh eelskin.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 10:40 AM
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Jesus fuck, it scares me that getting arrested while drunk might mean being thrown into the concrete so my brain bleeds. Police officers terrify me. (Apologies to g.)

Without knowing the specifics of what went on there, arresting drunks is horribly unpredictable. Drunks can get belligerent at the drop of a hat, and they're often in this god awful nexus where their strength and bad temper are just fine, but reflexes and equilibrium are shot. So you end up with a guy who decides to fight or at least actively resist, and all of a sudden goes down like a ton of bricks and whacks his head on something.

That bar raid isn't the kind of thing we do out here. I guess maybe if a place was a chronic problem for some reason...

Here the standard for public intox is alcohol + a danger to yourself or others. Danger to yourself generally takes the form of napping shirtless on the sidewalk of a busy road, falling down and injuring yourself, laying down in the snow for the night, etc. Danger to others usually means you're picking fights. You can be arrested for public intox in your living room, let alone a bar.

Very useful offense. Lowest class of misdemeanor. Gives us a way to solve the problem for the night without saddling the person with a lot of long term legal consequences.

And, "drunk dude groping a cop is an obvious lie" is laughable. Hasn't happened to me personally yet, but hardly unheard of for a guy in uniform to get goosed while on a call at the gay bar.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 10:44 AM
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Hasn't happened to me personally yet

Don't give up hope, tomorrow is another day!


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 10:51 AM
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62: There's a white-hot core of unprocessed reaction in my brain and, outside that, is a sense of marvel that it's apparently illegal to be drunk at a bar in Texas.

Public intox. I would be very surprised if there was a state that didn't have similar code - it's just usually called 'Drunk and Disorderly'.

How surprisingly prissy of them.

Well, 1) Baptists! and 2)

§ 49.02. PUBLIC INTOXICATION.
(a) A person commits an offense if the person appears in a public place while intoxicated to the degree that the person may endanger the person or another.
(b) It is a defense to prosecution under this section that the alcohol or other substance was administered for therapeutic purposes and as a part of the person's professional medical treatment by a licensed physician.
(c) Except as provided by Subsection (e), an offense under this section is a Class C misdemeanor.
(d) An offense under this section is not a lesser included offense under Section 49.04.
(e) An offense under this section committed by a person younger than 21 years of age is punishable in the same manner as if the minor committed an offense to which Section 106.071, Alcoholic Beverage Code, applies.
California has a similar rule, it so turns out
647. Every person who commits any of the following acts is guilty of disorderly conduct, a misdemeanor: [...] (f) Who is found in any public place under the influence of intoxicating liquor, any drug, controlled substance, toluene, or any combination of any intoxicating liquor, drug, controlled substance, or toluene, in a condition that he or she is unable to exercise care for his or her own safety or the safety of others, or by reason of his or her being under the influence of intoxicating liquor, any drug, controlled substance, toluene, or any combination of any intoxicating liquor, drug, or toluene, interferes with or obstructs or prevents the free use of any street, sidewalk, or other public way.
The California rules looks effectively the same as the Texas rule to me: it amounts to 'if they give you an excuse bust them if you feel like it'. I am wrong though - Wikipedia says Missouri and Nevada at least, have laws barring arrest for public intox. I knew I liked Missouri for some reason.

At any rate, the Observer story on the raid has a picture and a good comment as well:

John M says: Similar things happens regularly in Dallas, it isn't uncommon at all for D[allas]PD to park their pattywagon in front of S4 and arrest dozens of people coming out of S4 for PIs, even if they are simply walking 10 feet to a waiting cab or with a designated driver.
Of course when there is a pub crawl in Uptown I can call and beg the cops to come down and enforce PI laws because people are literarily falling down in the streets and driving under the influence, even showing them photos of it and they won't bother but they sure do have time and resources to enforce PI laws around the Dallas gay bars.
Posted On: Sunday, Jun. 28 2009 @ 7:21PM
Yeah. In the FW case, it certainly appears that someone at the TABC decided that the Pride/Stonewall anniversaries would be a great time to (as they probably phrased it) 'roust the queers'. FWPD decided to get rough. Hopefully, the asshole who inflicted the brain bleed is in a shitload of trouble.

max
['GRR.']


Posted by: max | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 10:52 AM
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I know at least in Texas, bars can get in license trouble for serving obviously intoxicated people. Lots of bars will ask anyone too obviously drunk (i.e. nodding off or staggering or falling) to leave so that should TABC drop by, they can't be accused of serving that person to the point of such obvious intoxication.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 10:58 AM
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Toluene?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 11:00 AM
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I guess maybe if a place was a chronic problem for some reason...

The bar in question had been open for less than a week.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 11:04 AM
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73: No thanks. Not till after work anyway.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 11:07 AM
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The bar in question had been open for less than a week.

Yeah, that plus hitting multiple gay bars on the anniversary of Stonewall seems more than a little fishy. Seems like an excellent way to get sued.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 11:14 AM
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Public intox. I would be very surprised if there was a state that didn't have similar code - it's just usually called 'Drunk and Disorderly'.

"Drunk" and "Drunk and Disorderly" are synonyms?


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 11:25 AM
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November! Any time I see a quiz result, I tell Facebook to block any further results from it.

What you need.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 11:25 AM
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Excellent! Thanks.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 11:27 AM
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I only take quizzes that ask how deeply you are associated with a certain place where I've never been, and I only post the results if it says "100% Native!".


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 11:28 AM
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"Drunk" and "Drunk and Disorderly" are synonyms?

Not in English law at least. There are various takes on "drunk in a public place/highway/etc"; there is "drunk and disorderly" and there is "drunk and incapable". Basically, they do you for the first if you're being a nuisance, the second if you're trying to start a fight, and the third if you're unconscious in the gutter. I imagine a similar taxonomy would be widespread in America, because it goes back a long way.


Posted by: OFE | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 11:34 AM
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third if you're unconscious in the gutter.

Or on the basis of complaint from a disappointed girlfriend.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 11:35 AM
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82. There aren't enough police in England for that.


Posted by: OFE | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 11:36 AM
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82: Don't you mean "disappointed sexual partner", LB?


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 11:37 AM
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You can be arrested for public intox in your living room, let alone a bar.

Truth! I got picked up in my front yard once. This was one of the worst wasted evenings in my life. I was working my first job out of college: desk zombie at a subprime mortgage firm, a world away from the journalistic vistas promised to me with my shiny Bachelor's Degree in English Literature. I went to an awful happy hour with a coworker who paid for pour after pour of top-shelf tequila and droned on about his weird fetish for Zaria Zatara. Much later, suddenly awakened to the fact that I was dancing with a monstrous woman at a tejano bar on the east side but too drunk to even look for my car, I took a cab, got sick immediately upon stepping onto my front yard, got nabbed by a county sheriff immediately after having been sick, and spent the night in the slammer with the bartender who poured me all the 1800.


Posted by: Armslusher | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 11:42 AM
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Well, looking at my friends' Pride pix on Facebook, I was pleased to see row after row of uniformed NYPD marching in the parade.


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85: Was this in Austin?


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 11:44 AM
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Yup.


Posted by: Armslusher | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 11:49 AM
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84: Both generally and in context, true indeed.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 11:54 AM
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Pride's never appealed to me much. Fat, bisexual anarchist = not the target demographic. I suppose it would be good if I marched in the Dyke & Trans marches as an ally, but this weekend I was way too sick for that. (W/o benefit of alcohol OR toluene.) I did attend a spirited queer cabaret on Friday night that was remarkably well-attended (given how many events it was competing with especially!) There were a couple of pieces by a local performance art group that were just a hair short of being up for an obscenity prosecution (although I'd like to see the Hennepin county jury that would convict on obscenity for anything taking place in a theater.) Still, it was pretty blue.
My impression is that, as with the various US Fringe Festivals and State Fairs, Pride events are intentionally staggered to allow for various vendors and celebrities to make multiple appearances.


Posted by: minneapolitan | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 12:05 PM
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88: So that was you I saw on cops!


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 12:07 PM
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Fat, bisexual anarchist = not the target demographic

Sez you.


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88: But more seriously, whereabouts were you living at the time? Nabbed by a county sherriff?


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93: Well, also I don't really drink much Bud Light, so that puts me right out.


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He was just driving by, I guess. I was just east of 35. The APD laughed quite a lot about the fact that I'd been arrested at the address listed as my place of residence. (But they didn't let me out.)


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95: Dude, a two Bud Light minimum qualifies as not much. Lightweight!

But anyway, I've never been to a Pride event in your fair city, but what you seem to be casting the whole affair as doesn't sound much at all like what Frowner describes above.


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Pride in SF is really fun. Unless at some point I blacked out much more thoroughly that I usually do, that's the only one I've been to.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 12:21 PM
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got sick immediately upon stepping onto my front yard, got nabbed by a county sheriff immediately after having been sick

That dude is nuts. If I've just witnessed someone ralph all over the place, the last place I want to put them is in my car. If you're in your own front yard, the proper course of action is to help you inside and then get back to more important aspects of police work like drinking coffee.


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99: I like the way you think, gswift. Maybe you can come to Texas and give some seminars to Travis County's finest?


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We must have compassionate cops around here. I opened the door to the police in the middle of the night once. The officer said he had picked up a friend who gave my address, and could he leave him with me? He was too drunk for the drunk tank.


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73: Toluene?

The stuff in spraypaint. Inhalants of any type, another words. Post-appeal addition, I imagine.

g: That bar raid isn't the kind of thing we do out here

Yeah, I imagine not. TABC [Texas Al/coholic Be/verage Com/mission] are um, where the old guys who can't continue to serve on the SWAT teams go for their golden years. (Or that's the nearest I can come to describing it.) They've got a decent budget and they are, well, they are strongly against fun. Staunchly. Fun: bad. The N. Texas section has a reputation for exuberance. Anyways, they usually go after the white people bars with the undercover kids, and they do the other stuff against the not-white bars. So I don't find it surprising in the least that they'd focus enforcement against a bunch of gay bars; that's fairly routine. Rousting the entire bar, now that's unusual.

I don't think I've heard of that going on more than five times in 20 years. Usually that kind of raid is against the real dive places, where the patrons have previously taken to shooting up the joint and surrounding areas. Sounds like they were pissed off about something (from the previous raids?).

Fsck. Forgot about 'Last Call':

Operation Last Call is the name of a law enforcement operation in the state of Texas in which undercover agents of the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission make arrests for public intoxication in places that serve alcoholic beverages. The aim of the operation, which was first announced in August 2005, is to prevent drunk driving. The operation was suspended in April 2006 after extensive protests from the public. According to the Houston Chronicle, 1,740 people statewide were arrested in connection with Operation Last Call.
That still wasn't a full-scale bar roust.

Hrmmmm:

The not awesome thing was the paddy wagon of homophobic police that showed up ... looking for trouble. My group and I were sitting on the back patio at a picnic table. Nobody was being wild out there. [The police] came through with flashlights, being loud asking what was going on out here, then asked why everyone was all the sudden being quiet. When one group started up their conversations again, they took one guy away.
They would be taking him away for 'being disorderly' (and thus, 'publically intoxicated'). If I am reading this write, the order they were given was to bust anyone who said anything. (Then, if needed, you say on the stand, the person appeared 'drunk and hostile'. If needed because they figure most charges will be pled out.)
I left shortly after and as I walked through the front bar there were numerous cops with plastic handcuffs all ready to go. I [left] the bar and they [had] a big van in the parking lot and numerous cars on the street. And just so you know, it wasn't fire hazard crowded or seedy wild in there. ... The worst part is [friends later told me] that [the police] had numerous people face down on the ground outside. I just moved to Fort Worth from Dallas, so this is such a shock to me. I know Dallas would not put up with this. ... I am still so shocked it is 2009 and this just happened.
Dude, you picked the wrong year to go from D to FW. I grant the bad rep of DPD, but you have a lesbian sheriff in Dallas!
[Comment:]#James Simmons Says: June 28th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
| THE FT WORTH POLICE STATED THAT SOMEONE REPORTED A SEXUAL ASSAULT AT 651 S. JENNINGS
Great. The next time the Baptists do something to piss me off, I'll just pick up the phone and report a sexual assault at one of their churches. When someone reports a sexual assault at a private residence, do they cuff and arrest everyone in the house? Clearly they're already back peddling trying to weasel their way out of this. Looks like they took lessons from the Dallas cops.
# Steve Says: June 28th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Interesting, if that's true then why was the State Police there also? Judging from what I've heard and seen, as well as what I know about the police, this was a planned raid. Otherwise the State Police and the Paddy Wagon would not have been there. We need to hold them accountable for this and not let them off the hook.
More eyewitness-y:
Kayla Lane and her sister Kelly were both at Rainbow Lounge last night when police came in and started arresting people. Both sent me e-mails with their accounts of what happened. Kayla has given me permission to reprint her e-mail here. Kelly's account is ery much the same. From Kayla Lane:
My name is Kayla Lane. I am a Ph.D. student at UC-Santa Cruz, staying with my sister, Kelly Lane, for the summer. We and a few of our friends went to the new Rainbow Lounge last night to dance and have some fun. I was in the VIP section when police officers started coming up there. The first arrest (that we saw) was right in front of me in that section.
They asked the guy if he had been drinking, and he said some, and they snidely replied, "Well, we'll see how much!" and plastic handcuffed him as they read him his rights The guy was doing NOTHIG wrong. It was utterly repugnant.
He was 'disorderly'.
Once I saw this happen, I decided to try and speak with one of the police officers themselves, to go straight to the source and get their side. My sister Kelly and I simply started asking what they were doing here, stating how suspicious it seemed on this date and in this specific club, etc. This was a "State Policeman," whose name I forgot, who tried to explain their actions by referring to "anonymous tips" and "disgruntled ex-bartenders." We pointed out the place was open a week, so the disgruntled ex-bartender source seemed a bit unlikely! [And Mr. Disgruntled worked at all three bars that were raided!] He wouldn't really answer my questions. although he did try to grab my hand and flirt with me (which was completely uninvited).
After this, we saw the policemen go into the men's restroom, pull out at least two guys from handcuffs from there, and pull one onto the ground before forcefully removing him. What were they doing in there? Raucously disposing of their waste?! There was no reason for ANY of those arrests, at all. These people were NOT drunk, or even overly happy or silly. As the last office came by, some patrons were calling out "Homophobes!," "Fucking Assholes," etc. - obviously and justifiably upset over the present actions. The officer, whose head was turned the other way, looked back and saw and recognized me as questioning the state policeman earlier, and yanked my arm, forcing me out of the bar in front of him.
After pulling my arm away once we were outside, I calmly told him it was not me that called him these names, but he aggressively insisted it was, no matter what I said. Then he accused me of stirring up trouble by talking to the policeman earlier. I said it was my right to question, as a concerned citizen, these actions. He responded that, "What we do, is right. You can't question when we are doing something." I said something about him not understanding a democracy then.
Thankfully at this time, my sister and another friend came out, and vouched for my innocence. After this, he said I could go, after we indugled his ego for a few minutes with some respectful and quiet answers. To the end, he belligerantly and crudely accused me of of the name-calling deed, that he "knew" I said those things and I better got before I get arrested. Apparently, the fact that his head was turned and there was no logical way he could have known who spoke was beyond him.
Heh. That's SOP, girl.
I will be at the rally this afternoon. I am incensed and horrified by the way everyone at this location was treated. I hope this will get as much publicity as it deserves, and that a myriad of challenges and complaints will be made to the FWPD and other media sources.
Charming. Yeah, 100% deliberate, planned political action.

max
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Posted by: max | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 2:06 PM
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row after row of uniformed NYPD marching in the parade

That is excellent. I know it's not near far enough, but we have come a long goddamn way.

There was a small but lively contingent of Austin police in our parade, including the chief and at least three hand-holding couples, one or both in uniform. The APD was followed by the firefighters and the EMTs.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 2:14 PM
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Kid A came home from school today proclaiming, "The inevitable has happened!"

Yep, someone at school has swine flu.

I was hoping to keep it another degree or two of separation away, but oh well.

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Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 3:15 PM
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asilon lives with a walking, talking Radiohead album? Awesome!


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 3:24 PM
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Amnesiac also came home from school, but was unable to vouch for Kid A's account.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 3:33 PM
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Baby number 3 turned up a couple of weeks after Kid A came out, and acquired the label Kid C. And thence the others. Kid whatevers were their nicknames on our first family website. I originally typed Violet (current internet pseud, about 4 years old), but thought that might be confused with one of the narnian Child X's.


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 3:39 PM
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Is 107.last a discretion error? (I sort of suspect anyone reading closely enough to get it has made the connection before, but I don't know how strictly these things are enforced....)


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 3:52 PM
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But aren't their names — and —-—?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 3:58 PM
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I suppose if such indirect information were really a discretion error, I wouldn't have become aware of the connection to be made in the first place.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 4:06 PM
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The relevant discretion rules is that nothing should be said that would lead the relevant blogger's real life family and friends, who don't know about her pseudonymous blog, to end up here by googling her and realize that she blogs here pseudonymously. So "Wait, you mean [real name] is really [pseudonym]?" is right out.

Mentioning "Hey, [realname] said something clever at her own blog" wouldn't be a discretion error, because a googling relative might find the allusion, but wouldn't be able to go from [realname] to [pseudonym]. 107 would be a discretion error if this were likely to be a significant google hit for the word "Violet", but as it isn't, it's fine.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 4:13 PM
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And to be clear, any thing that would lead a reader here to understand that one of the bloggers here is a classicist with two kids married to a famously verbose philosopher/blogger living in a Southeast Asian city-state we've been calling Narnia isn't indiscreet, so long as you wouldn't find it by googling her real name -- the assumption is that her inlaws aren't reading the comments here, we just don't want them to find this place and figure out the connection through accidental googling.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 4:16 PM
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109: --- - --- is ------- for ------ ------.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 4:20 PM
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HAY GUYS I FOUND THIS THREAD BY GOOGLING "SOUTHEAST ASIAN CITY-STATE" CLASSICIST VIOLET.


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109: --- - --- is ------- for ------ ------.

Wait, by "-------" do you mean -------–-- or ---- -- ----?


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Well, it's -------- anyway.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 4:24 PM
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That's just it, though.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 4:28 PM
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I have no idea what 115 means.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 4:35 PM
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But 111/112 clear things up. I suppose it should have been obvious that Googleability was the relevant criterion.


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118: Actually, I don't either, which is why I thought 116 would clarify. nosflow is either two steps ahead of me or several behind.


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-- ----. --- ----- ---- ------- -- -- --? --'- - ------.


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111 and 112 are not actually capable of clearing 115 up.


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-------- is the ----- of ----------.


Posted by: Merganser | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 4:42 PM
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Gur Ncbpelcun ner eryvtvbhf jevgvatf juvpu ner abg trarenyyl npprcgrq nf fpevcgher ol Whqnvfz naq znal zbqrea-qnl Cebgrfgnag frpgf bs Puevfgvnavgl. Gurfr jbexf hfhnyyl ober gur anzrf bs napvrag Uroerj jbeguvrf va beqre gb rfgnoyvfu gurve inyvqvgl nzbat gur gehr jevgref' pbagrzcbenevrf. Gb erpbapvyr gur yngr nccrnenapr bs gur grkgf jvgu gurve pynvzf gb cevzvgvir nagvdhvgl, nyyrtrq nhgubef ner ercerfragrq nf "fuhggvat hc naq frnyvat" (Qna. KVV. 4:9) gur jbexf hagvy gur gvzr bs gurve shysvyyzrag unq neevirq; nf gur grkgf jrer abg zrnag sbe gurve bja trarengvbaf ohg sbe sne-qvfgnag ntrf (nyfb pvgrq va Nffhzcgvba bs Zbfrf V. 16:17).


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 4:42 PM
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124: In any case, the gostak distims the doshes.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 4:45 PM
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Are you guys talking about Ramekins again?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 4:49 PM
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126: No, the rambling ramified.


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124: Furrfu!


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 5:03 PM
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The Apocrypha are religious writings which are not generally accepted as scripture by Judaism and many modern-day Protestant sects of Christianity. These works usually bore the names of ancient Hebrew worthies in order to establish their validity among the true writers' contemporaries. To reconcile the late appearance of the texts with their claims to primitive antiquity, alleged authors are represented as "shutting up and sealing" (Dan. XII. 4:9) the works until the time of their fulfillment had arrived; as the texts were not meant for their own generations but for far-distant ages (also cited in Assumption of Moses I. 16:17).


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(thx to JP for the tip!)


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 5:06 PM
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Gur Ncbpelcun ner eryvtvbhf jevgvatf juvpu ner abg

'7'//45 |>|2!11!6, 4/\/|) 7|-|3 51!7|-|`/ 70\/35
|)!|) 6`/|23 4/\/|) 6!|\/||>13 !/\/ 7|-|3 '//4|>3;
411 |\/|!|\/|5`/ '//3|23 7|-|3 |>0|2060\/35,
4/\/|) 7|-|3 |\/|0|\/|3 |247|-|5 0|_|76|24|>3.

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['Dammit.']


Posted by: max | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 5:07 PM
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131: Wow, I figured out what that was by guessing what it might be, and then laboriously decoding a couple of words. But man, that's opaque -- I don't think I'd have a shot of reading text I didn't know already.


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132: But man, that's opaque -- I don't think I'd have a shot of reading text I didn't know already.

Yeah it is, but that particular encoder is idiosyncratic. I actually like the Kenny version better:

'Fmpfppmmmfmm mmppffmffpmfpmfmffmfm, mmmpppmpm fmpmfpmpp fmmpmfmfffmpmfpffm fmpppffpmmppfmm
Mpmmffmpm mfmffmpffmpp mmmpppmpm mfmmffppmmmppmfmpp mffppp fmpmfpmpp fppmmmmmpmpp;
Mmmpmfpmf ppmmffppmfmmffm fppmpppffmpp fmpmfpmpp mmpppfpffppfmfmppffpmmppfmm,
Mmmpppmpm fmpmfpmpp ppmppfppmmpp pffmmmfmpmfpfmm ppffmffmpmfmpffmmmmmpmpp.

max
['MPH!']


Posted by: max | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 5:14 PM
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Oh wow, I'm dense. I'm all "if this is 1337, that first line looks like it ends in -toves, but the character before that isn't an 's', so what's the deal?"


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If it makes you feel better, essear, it took reading your comment for me to get it.


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I still don't get it.


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Ah! Slithy toves!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 6:20 PM
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"ah! Slithy toves" was the original ending of " >God's Grandeur".


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nosflow | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 6:22 PM
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Er, "God's Grandeur".


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138: Shpx lbh pybja!


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 6:47 PM
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˙ǝqɐɹƃʇno sɥʇɐɹ ǝɯoɯ ǝɥʇ puɐ
'sǝʌoƃoɹoq ǝɥʇ ǝɹǝʍ ʎsɯıɯ ןןɐ
؛ǝqɐʍ ǝɥʇ uı ǝןqɯıƃ puɐ ǝɹʎƃ pıp
sǝʌoʇ ʎɥʇıןs ǝɥʇ puɐ 'ƃıןןıɹq sɐʍʇ,

Better?

max
['Easier to read, anyways.']


Posted by: max | Link to this comment | 06-29-09 6:52 PM
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On a mildly happy note, support is very slowly accreting for decriminalizing homosexuality in India (search for Section 377). The government just floated the idea, and while it got a lot of blowback, the intention is still a step forward.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 06-30-09 1:16 AM
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AXYDLBAAXR is LONGFELLOW.


Posted by: Cryptic n3d | Link to this comment | 06-30-09 1:18 AM
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We have had this discussion before, but it is really helpful for people to realize that they know gay people/ gay couples.

People who know gay couples are more likely to be supportive of basic human rights and marriage for gays.


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144. Does anybody under 80 pretend they don't any more? How is this possible?


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re: 145

I don't know any gay couples.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 06-30-09 4:12 AM
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In suburbia USA, there are many people who think that they do not know any gay couples.


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146. Really? Not even slightly? Even casually - as in my wife's boss, who talks about what they did at the weekend around the office quite happliy, or the couple (with toddler) from whom we bought our house, or the other couple we sold our previous house to? I mean, IME gay couples are just around. You bump into them all the time.


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Nope. I've had gay colleagues at various times and friends of friends that I've had the occasional drink with or gone clubbing with, but, afaik, none of them were in long-term relationships at the time. So I am familiar with people talking about their ex-boyfriends or whatever, but not actually interacted socially with any out gay couples. That might be partly an age thing. My Dad has a long-term gay couple among his circle of close friends.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 06-30-09 5:43 AM
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I mean, IME gay couples are just around. You bump into them all the time.

That reminds me of a story I heard from a municipal policymaker, who had dealt with a neighborhood dispute involving a lesbian couple. Afterwards he was talking it over with his dissenting colleagues, and was astonished to learn that they had not identified the couple as lesbian and had not shared his interpretation of the dispute as a neighbor's attempt to use government to enforce his homophobia.

In turn, the colleagues were surprised and slightly bemused* at his explanation.

*In his recounting, this was not an instance of malice or bias, just genuine cluelessness.

Shorter me: This stuff does kind of depend on what your radar is tuned for. I've worked with people who were consumed with identifying and tracking religious distinctions, such that my own ability to make such distinctions improved significantly while in their employ.


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 06-30-09 5:44 AM
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I don't know any single het people these days. Although there's been some speculation that most break ups happen in the summer, so maybe I'll know some soon.


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144+: I don't think my parents know any gay couples. I'm sure somewhere or other they've met gay individuals, and I have the sense although I can't place the connection that one of them has mentioned a gay co-worker, but what I remember is vague enough that I can't assume there's a couple there.

151: Yup. One of my roommates had a breakup over the weekend. Rough.

Come to think of it, my house looks like the setting of a reality TV show. There's a gay guy who fits one stereotype perfectly and all the rest not even in the slightest, a guy whose co-worker girlfriend just dumped him, and the new roommate is in an on-again-off-again, always-calling-each-other-crazy relationship. I should set up some cameras around the house and blog it.


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 06-30-09 7:23 AM
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I know lots of gay couples, but then I have a lot of contact with theater people, so....


Posted by: minneapolitan | Link to this comment | 06-30-09 7:26 AM
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I should set up some cameras around the house and blog it have people vote online for who gets evicted.


Posted by: OFE | Link to this comment | 06-30-09 7:29 AM
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This stuff does kind of depend on what your radar is tuned for.

Indeed. That's one of the things that makes talking across major political divides so damn hard: You really are seeing different things in the exact same situation.


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Precisely why I don't go to Pride


Posted by: minneapolitan | Link to this comment | 06-30-09 6:39 PM
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Re: Indian gay rights, from this article at the BBC

"It [the ruling] is India's Stonewall. We are elated. I think what now happens is that a lot of our fundamental rights and civic rights which were denied to us can now be reclaimed by us," activist and lawyer Aditya Bandopadhyay told the BBC.

"It is a fabulously written judgement, and it restores our faith in the judiciary," he said.

(Can this be appealed? Could the Indian Supreme Court overturn it?)


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Ironically, after saying I don't know any gay couples, I am scheduled to go out drinking with one tomorrow night.*

* Turns out I didn't know someone is currently en-coupled ...


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