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The Lone Ranger, no? Or at least a joke about it.


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 5:39 PM
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Also from the article: "Clearing the backlog of SUVs built on 30-year-old technology is going to pump up GDP?"

I'll have him know my SUV has all sorts of technology never heard of 30 years ago. Like a CD player and little sensors in the back so I don't crush a Mini when I reverse.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 5:40 PM
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Google reminds me that the joke was used in a Weetabix ad once, which may or may not help explain its popularity.


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 5:41 PM
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That joke and the one that ends with the Lone Ranger shouting "I said 'posse'" to Silver are the only Lone Ranger jokes I know.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 5:42 PM
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I somehow think it was Lenny Bruce.


Posted by: paan daya | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 5:44 PM
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But, to your main point, yes that article was an awful mash-up of cliche and ill-defined pointlessness. Just like most of the rest of the business press.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 5:44 PM
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The punch line in the version of the Lone Ranger joke I know is "Whaddya mean, 'we,' white man?"


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 5:47 PM
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I'll have him know my SUV has all sorts of technology never heard of 30 years ago.

True enough. Still lipstick on a pig, though.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 5:47 PM
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to be fair, 8 is true of most, but not all things marketed under that classification.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 5:48 PM
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That man must be from Silicon Valley.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 5:50 PM
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Well, what's the joke, then?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 5:51 PM
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all sorts of technology never heard of 30 years ago. Like a CD player

CDs came out in 1982, so they're coming up on 30 quick. To nitpick.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 5:53 PM
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So the Lone Ranger and Tonto are riding out on the plains when they see 200 angry Apache warriors riding towards them clearly looking for a fight. The Lone Ranger says to Tonto "Looks like we're in trouble" and Tonto says "What do you men 'we' White Man?"


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 5:55 PM
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nosflow: this suggests the lone ranger radio show (1930's - 50's) as source of your quote...


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 5:55 PM
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men -> mean

Dammit.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 5:56 PM
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He misunderstood the GDP thing, too. Taking things out of inventory has no effect on GDP. The implication of car companies running down their SUV inventories is that they might start making new cars, which _is_ in GDP.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 5:56 PM
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no charge for the extra apostrophes


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 5:56 PM
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nosflow: this suggests the lone ranger radio show (1930's - 50's) as source of your quote...

It doesn't, actually.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 5:57 PM
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16: True. However, if they melted down SUV inventory to make new cars, you could generate GDP at both ends.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 5:57 PM
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It doesn't, actually.

Hey, you're right. That'll learn me to do too many things at once.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 5:59 PM
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19: And put particulate SUV matter into the air? What, do you hate the environment?


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 6:03 PM
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And put particulate SUV matter into the air? What, do you hate the environment?

Could be better than driving them around, though...


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 6:05 PM
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Although the page linked in 14 doesn't provide an origin for the joke, it does have a lot of very interesting information.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 6:07 PM
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Huh. Having mostly skimmed that article, the absurdity of it is that the writer's generation -- presumably 30-somethings and under -- doesn't show signs of repudiating automation/digitization, of wanting to slow down.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 6:15 PM
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But, like, probably seven of that guy's friends like to say that's what they want!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 6:20 PM
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I'd always heard the joke as "What's this 'we' shit, white man?" Which I like better.


Posted by: adamhenne | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 6:25 PM
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25: It is most frustrating. a. He or she sounds like the 60s generation. b. What the fuck do you think is funding, e.g. TPM's new expansion? c. When s/he and friends order shit on the internet, this is "small, responsive, micro-scale commerce"?

d. The Twitter crew?


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 6:32 PM
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Presumably he sells his insight into Gen M to businesses looking to exploit it.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 6:37 PM
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Let me amend: looking to exploit it after having learned, from him, that it exists.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 6:39 PM
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Ah, he has a future in marketing. Of course.

I"m curious to know whether anyone here finds any resonance in what the guy is saying. It's a narrative we've heard before to an extent, so it's not exactly startling.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 6:53 PM
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What's maddening is that some of what the guy is saying is right, almost trivially so (broken institutions? policies that helps banks instead of citizens? no duh)... and yet he's still fundamentally talking in Nineties Dotcom-Bubble-BullshitSpeak, which suggests that he thinks he gets it but really doesn't. Twitter is "meaningful"? What?


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 6:59 PM
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d00d, Twitter is part of Tehran 2.0. Maybe you hadn't heard.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 7:01 PM
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"What's this 'we' shit, white man paleface?"

The version I grew up with.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 7:02 PM
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32: Maybe they would've fared better with more than a 140 characters to work with...


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 7:04 PM
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13: That and variations on it have been going around since I was in high school and no doubt before. So, figure at least 50+ years for that joke.


Posted by: Biohazard | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 7:08 PM
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The mention of Twitter is really ... sad. So! I actually don't know what to say. He didn't mention MySpace, anyway. That's, like, 20th century.

This guy will have a hernia if the internets ever go down.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 7:17 PM
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Myspace is associated with the wrong SES.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 7:22 PM
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37: I heard about that.

Twitter, though, is authentic, deep democracy.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 7:34 PM
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33: Similarly, the version I heard was "What you mean we, paleface?". Of course, it must be said in that deep, monotone, serious voice that all the TV and movie Indians use.

For some reason, in Dark Angel they decided that Joshua, the man-dog hybrid, should use that exact same speech style.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 7:45 PM
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Of course, it must be said in that deep, monotone, serious voice that all the TV and movie Indians use.

How?


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 7:48 PM
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12: I did not know they were that old. In 1982, I knew plenty of people with 8-track players in their cars. I doubt I saw a CD before '88 and didn't own one until a few years later.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 7:48 PM
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40: Realum funnyum. Racist.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 7:52 PM
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In 1982, I knew plenty of people with 8-track players in their cars

In 1982, I had a portable cassette player which ran on batteries between the front seats of my car (good times!), which was admittedly a '65 Mustang, so it couldn't have been expected to have a tape player. I never did have 8-tracks -- skipped directly from radio and albums to cassette tapes, it seems.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 7:58 PM
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In 1982, I happened!


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 7:59 PM
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Me too!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 7:59 PM
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43: I wasn't quite old enough to drive in '82. I did have a friend with a '64 (?) Ford Fairlane, which is nearly as cool as a Mustang in the sense that an 8-track is nearly as cool as an iPod. I remember how he'd have to open the hood and use a screwdriver to start it.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:01 PM
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44, 45: I was listening to King Crimson when you were born, you two.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:01 PM
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March 1st, around ten in the morning?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:02 PM
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I remember how he'd have to open the hood and use a screwdriver to start it.

Ahem. I never had to open the hood of the Mustang and pull the fan belt around manually in order to start it. Nor did passengers have to crawl in through the driver's side door. I also never had a problem with the hood latch, such that I couldn't drive very fast sometimes, else the hood would pop up in front of my face. Also the defrost always worked.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:04 PM
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49: And then the Japanese came and ruined it all for everybody.

At least it was much easier to hide smoking from the teachers back when nobody would notice the smell of a cigarette over their own nostril-ash.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:09 PM
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At least it was much easier to hide smoking from the teachers back when nobody would notice the smell of a cigarette over their own nostril-ash.

Wow, by the time I was born people smoked with their mouths.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:11 PM
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47: I had sex before they born. Which, for nosflow, would be necessarily true.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:11 PM
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I'm not sure 52 really says what you want it to say, apo.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:14 PM
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Actually, now that I've done the math properly, that wouldn't have happened until 1983.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:14 PM
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I don't think I'd realized that I'm only a fortnight older than neb, give or take a day.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:14 PM
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52: how on earth did you masturbating at c. age 14 engender nosflow?


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:15 PM
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Which makes me a fortnight and a half older than Stanley, give or take a day.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:15 PM
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I just got done driving six+ hours with small children, nosflow. Better than even chance I might not make any sense at all.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:16 PM
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51: Run a q-tip up the nose of a heavy-smoker and give me a better name.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:16 PM
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Stanley is older than me?!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:17 PM
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What's really going on here is that there was some righteous fucking going on in the Summer of '81.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:17 PM
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56: How do we do it? Volume.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:17 PM
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Step right up, step right up, don't be caught with your drawers down…


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:18 PM
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I'm just going to assume that nosflow is Apo's son and leave it at that.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:19 PM
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59: I don't think I'll be able to think of a better name for you whilst running away from some poor cigarette-addled bastard with a q-tip halfway to his brain.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:19 PM
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What's really going on here is that there was some righteous fucking going on in the Summer of '81.

More like spring, if my arithmetic is right....


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:19 PM
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62: Said with a thick southern drawl, of course.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:20 PM
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64: Correct. If of course by "son" you mean "butt baby".


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:21 PM
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More like spring, if my arithmetic is right....

You are correct. I forgot that I was almost a month late. Sorry, Mom!


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:22 PM
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51: Run a q-tip up the nose of a heavy-smoker and give me a better name.

That hyphen is confusing me.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:22 PM
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70: I got carried away after q-tip.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:23 PM
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I was trying to remember whether Cosby used the joke in his Lone Ranger routine from I Started Out as a Child from 1964. Can't find a transcript, that routine had "Tonto don't go to town", "Tonto's horse" and them being drunk in a bar, but I can't recall if it finishes with that joke (and even if it did, does not mean it was original to Cosby). I thought we had "Child" on cassette, but all I found was "The Best of Cosby" which turns out (after a stupidly long search for a working cassette player) to only contain the very first part of the routine. Crapping crapperation.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:23 PM
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61: You know, there was.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:25 PM
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Also here is the middle one of three posts on Language Log from a few years back ruminating on "Kemosabe".


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:26 PM
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61: And several people here got conceived as well.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:27 PM
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My first car, dating from 1969, had a radio and a tape player - that must have been installed after market. I hooked up my portable CD player to it so I could drive around and play Tori Amos loudly (something I was discouraged from doing in our tiny apartment).

And, I'm older than neb, essear and Stanley by nearly half a year.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:32 PM
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I had a funny thing from Sony that let you hook a portable CD player to a fake cassette and it would then play using your speakers. I bought my first car with a real CD player in 2006 (the very nice SUV mentioned above).


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:36 PM
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Driving around inside a tiny apartment is usually a bad idea, whether playing Tori Amos loudly or not.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:38 PM
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FWIW (since none of you seem to be of my generation), I *heard* the Lone Ranger joke in the 1950s. Have no idea who started it, but it wasn't Cosby, who came along later.


Posted by: dr ngo | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:38 PM
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77: those are still useful, man. I use one in my '65 Mustang, as a lasso.

Well, no. But I do use one to play an iPod through the tape-hole.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:39 PM
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I've used devices like that mentioned in 77 in living memory.

Such a clever device! I hope its inventor made a bundle.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:39 PM
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As for myself, with a history of bronchitis, pneumonia, etc.; this bit of Ignatius Reilly self-deprecation seems appropriate:

My respiratory system, unfortunately, is below par. I suspect that I am the product of particularly weak conception on the part of my father. His sperm was probably emitted in a rather offhand manner.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:40 PM
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I intend to use a device such as the one mentioned in 77 as soon as Tuesday.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:40 PM
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80, 81: Yes, we still have one in our old minivan, however during my quest to listen to Bill Cosby I discovered that cassette player no longer works.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:41 PM
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You mean "as recently as".


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:41 PM
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I will, but I do not yet.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:42 PM
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80: I had no idea they were still in use. For the iPod, we have a little transmitter that you stick on the iPod and it goes to your FM radio.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:42 PM
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minivan, however

You mean "minivan; however,".


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:42 PM
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88: Possibly.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:43 PM
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87: those are extremely-useful, unless you're in Los-Angeles or an equivalently-sized metropolitan-area, in which case they're completely-useless.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:44 PM
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While I was at the beach, my nieces were very, very insistent that I let them straighten my hair.

Who's your skeezy uncle? Me, that's who.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:45 PM
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91: you look like some kind of fucked-up surfer santa.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:48 PM
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88,89: Conjunctive adverbs have feelings too.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:49 PM
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I can't believe how good your reunited band is, Mr. Mascis.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:52 PM
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90: I sort of live in a metropolis, but not really.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:53 PM
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I use a tape deck adapter with my Ipod too. The FM-tuning devices were not reliable enough.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:54 PM
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91: Wow, you look kind of tired there, maybe.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:54 PM
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Super old, too. And pretty fat!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:56 PM
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OT Bleg: I've let several of my pans get into a dreadful state, and I'm trying to figure out how best to clean them.

One of them is a Calphalon non-stick crepe pan, which has lovely deep black stains on it. (My instinct is that, given that it is non-stick and is at least 7 years old, perhaps I should get a new one that won't poison me).

The other is a black satin finish Le Creuset frying pan. This, too, has deep black stains. This one I am not keen on replacing though perhaps I should just go straight to a few more cast-iron pans (I've been meaning to do more strength training).

I've tried a few of my normal tricks but I assume that someone out there knows better than I on what to do to them.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:57 PM
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Thank You, Mask Man!

(apropos of very little)


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:58 PM
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M/lls will advise you to scrub them with salt.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 8:59 PM
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99.2 I'd pitch that one if it had scrapes in the coating.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 9:00 PM
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Hm, thanks. I'll try that. Pretty soon, my hands are going to smell exactly like salt and vinegar chips.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 9:00 PM
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98: Hair straightening is banned.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 9:02 PM
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Roberta uses a tape deck iPod adapter in her car. Mine has an aux jack that you can just plug in directly.

Wow, you look kind of tired there, maybe.

Drunk, more likely. But with seven kids in the house (and my two youngest *do not* sleep past the crack of dawn), it was indeed tiring.

And pretty fat!

Thanks, Sweety.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 9:03 PM
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Oh, you pretty.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 9:05 PM
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As for the Le Creuset pan, you need to mix one part baking soda, one part salt, two parts white vinegar and two parts water. Heat the mixture to boiling and stir well. Then put your finger in the mixture and scream "I have me some expensive pans. I should be careful with them."


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 9:05 PM
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Hit the La Creuset with a sledgehammer until it cracks, and then take it to the store for a free replacement.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 9:07 PM
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108: Ooh, good idea.

107: The Le Creuset set that I have is in an "ugly" color so I got it super discounted because apparently no one else wanted it.

As for not taking care of them, I have a bad habit of putting things in the dishwasher that don't go there.


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Uh, 109 was me. Don't know how that happened.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 9:11 PM
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109: In that case, just heat the mixture to 150.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 9:13 PM
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As for not taking care of them, I have a bad habit of putting things in the dishwasher that don't go there.

What a cute kitten, too. Oh well!


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Wait. Does the LeCreuset have to crack to get the free replacement? Or say hypothetically one had burned off chunks of enamel, would tha do? And what store does one bring it to?


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 9:15 PM
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I did have a friend with a '64 (?) Ford Fairlane, which is nearly as cool as a Mustang..

I had a '69 fairlane for a while, which famously snapped a motor mount while heading into a cul-de-sac, in such a way as to jam the throttle full open. To this day I have no idea how I managed to not hit any of the cars parked around it, but there wasn't much left of the (rear) tires by the time I shut it down....


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113: any Le Creuset retail store will do it, as far as I know. My mom brought them one that was a good 40 years old, burned, chipped and (finally) cracked with (obviously) no receipt or anything, and they cheerfully swapped it out for a brand new one.


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For le crueset, and for calaphon that is the anodized aluminum (not not stick coating), barkeeps friend works really well.


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Or say hypothetically one had burned off chunks of enamel

How did you manage that?

If the damage is remotely plausible for actual use, they'll just give you another one ime.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 9:18 PM
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And I am ~.75 years older than Parenthetical. Who's next?


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 9:18 PM
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115: Now I feel stupid for now buying the stock pot that was on sale at William Sonoma yesterday. On the other hand, it was still pretty close to $200 for a pot and I feel too much like a yuppie for my own good.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 9:18 PM
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I have a bad habit of putting things in the dishwasher that don't go there.

Yeah, not a good idea for eameled cast iron. any cast iron, for that matter.


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116: is (obviously?) only recommended for extreme cases. Usually you don't need anything for these....


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 9:20 PM
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This is fishy—why doesn't everyone who buys a slightly damaged secondhand LC just immediately return them?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 9:20 PM
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The other is a black satin finish Le Creuset frying pan.

by the way, Paren. ... I have no idea what this means. My barkeeps friend advice is only for the enamel coating of cast type le creuset --- so ignore if that isn't the case.


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Everyone near an LC retail store, at least.


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122: propriety?


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122: To Nordstrom.


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123: LC also makes a lot of non-enameled cast iron stuff, eg.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 9:23 PM
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This is fishy--why doesn't everyone who buys a slightly damaged secondhand LC just immediately return them?

The lifetime guarantee is like the better hand tool providers, they'll replace it if the damage is plausibly their fault, not yours.

On the other hand, I've had snap on replace a couple of wrenches I had obviously used and extension on, and le creuset replaced a pot lid I dropped while hot.... so who knows.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 9:24 PM
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I suspect JP of twitting me.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 9:24 PM
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127: right. I know that, but I'm not sure what "satin finish" specifies, so I didn't want to mislead.

hell, they make butter dishes now. ffs.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 9:25 PM
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129: Possibly.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 9:28 PM
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This is fishy--why doesn't everyone who buys a slightly damaged secondhand LC just immediately return them?

My grandad's thirty-year-old LC dutch oven, which I inherited some four years ago, looks set to last another forty or fifty years. That fucker is seriously indestructible. If it were to suddenly break, somehow, I'd be really curious to understand what had happened.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 9:47 PM
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130: It's their weird lining for some of the frying pans. The advice of vinegar + baking soda worked (I had been doing that while I was asking for advice). My dutch oven could use a cleaning (and I'm a little worried about what looks like possible pot holes in the surface) so I'll try the Barkeep's friend for that.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 9:58 PM
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The version of the joke ending in "paleface" is, of course, more internally consistent than the one with "Kemosabe". It's code-switching, if you will.

I've seen it in joke books, maybe Milton Berle's -- I think it might be one of those unattributable jokes that's everyone's been passing around since the Lone Ranger radio show, if not before in a different form.

Oddly I found no version of it in Google Books before 1970; an oral tradition?


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 10:20 PM
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My dutch oven could use a cleaning (and I'm a little worried about what looks like possible pot holes in the surface) so I'll try the Barkeep's friend for that.

It's a recommended by Calaphon for the anodized aluminum for difficult stains, and iirc it used to be recommended by LC also until they started selling their own brand cleaner. I can't swear to that though.

It works wonders on the Calaphon anodize, and I use a little with especially stubborn things on the LC. I haven't had any trouble with it, but I'm pretty easy on it too. I suspect more abrasive ones like Ajax would be a bad idea.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 10:21 PM
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Minivet's 134 prompted me to try some variant Google book searches and through a roundabout path (starting with a seemingly spurious attribution to a piece in Mad #8 (1953-54) called "The Lone Stranger Rides Again" ) came up with this from alt.usage.english:

Issue 38, March 1958, Page 42. _TV Scenes We'd Like to See_
It was a two panel cartoon strip, drawn by Joe Orlando.
1st panel. LR is saying "Indians! Indians all around us! Well Tonto, ol' kimosavee, it looks like we're finished!
2nd Panel. Tonto says "What you mean... WE?"

Of course there is a reasonable chance that it was not original in that cartoon.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 11:24 PM
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Everyone who does not know what 100 is should click on the link. VERY IMPORTANT

My fm ipod adapter works quite well across Los Angeles. I have three presets and I can always get half-decent sound through one of them. It's not great sound quality, but it doesn't improve that much in the boonies.


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 07-12-09 11:34 PM
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137.2: lies!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-13-09 5:30 AM
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136: Of course there is a reasonable chance that it was not original in that cartoon.

My mother has been using it seemingly forever. I'd bet it goes back to 5 minutes after the intrepid duo's first confrontation with Indians was broadcast.


Posted by: Biohazard | Link to this comment | 07-13-09 5:31 AM
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137 Re: FM iPod adapters, the problem isn't sound quality. The problem is finding a frequency that won't conflict with a Top 40 pop station as you drive across eight states, and/or tuning to a new frequency while you're in traffic. Although I guess if my adapter could have easily switched from one preset to another, it would have worked out better.


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 07-13-09 7:52 AM
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The problem is finding a frequency that won't conflict with a Top 40 pop station as you drive across eight states

That shouldn't be a problem; part of the band is reserved for noncommercial use.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-13-09 10:27 AM
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Many wireless modulators operate in the 87.X, 88.X, and 88.X frequency bands. The best one I've had was, I think, removed from the market by the FCC because it was too powerful and ended up transmitting into other people's cars.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 07-13-09 10:30 AM
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Er, make that last one "89.X".


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 07-13-09 10:30 AM
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141: I thought it went without saying that interference from public radio is roughly equally bad. My mistake.


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 07-13-09 10:53 AM
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And I thought it went without saying that those noncommercial broadcasters are often less powerful and less plentiful than the commercial ones.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-13-09 10:59 AM
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I dunno, ben. Terry Gross is pretty powerful.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 07-13-09 11:00 AM
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Together, we can defeat her.


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146: I thought you were a Totenberg man, Stanley.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 07-13-09 11:05 AM
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148: To court her would be supreme.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 07-13-09 11:09 AM
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149: So she appeals to you?


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 07-13-09 12:39 PM
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Geez, M/tch, I'm not trying to habeas her corpus out here in public. Perv.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 07-13-09 12:55 PM
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151: So in camera then? That's hardly less pervy.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 07-13-09 1:17 PM
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There's a much better habeas corpus joke here, but it's been ruined by 151.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-13-09 1:21 PM
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I confess I got lazy. What's your joke, nosflow? Everyone can just pretend not to see 151.


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154: Actually, Stanley, to make it believable, I think you have to stick your fingers in your eyes while chanting "la la la, I can't seeee you!" in a mocking tone.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 07-13-09 2:34 PM
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Well, it's just that "habeas" is second person, right, so someone could have said to you "habeas suum corpus" or something.


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153: Is there no justice in the world?


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-13-09 4:11 PM
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